Don't mention this, or HPD will have you get a permit for you to take a pre-qualifying handgun safety class,  in order to take the handgun safety class.

Oh, believe me. The state legislature is more than stupid enough to think of this all on their own.

A couple years back, we went to one of those rental places in Waikiki to shoot and they muzzles of the runs were secured via a cable to keep them facing downrange.

Didn't someone do the same thing at Waikiki despite the steel cable?

This happened while I worked at Magnum Firearms. It was the third or fourth suicide to occur at Magnum at that point (summer 2009), but the first to happen while I was there.  Happy, normal seeming dude in his mid 50's walked in and rented a Sig P220 from me. Bought two boxes of 45acp, and shot all of it except one round at a silhouette target. Put the last round in his chest and it didn't exit the back. He was dead before he hit the ground. Although I will never be able to thank him, he taught me a valuable life lesson that day. Within a week I was looking for a new job.

Shit like that is making me want to be armed at the range... for real.

.........so you can shoot someone before they are about to commit suicide?

wow
interesting that even at that close range, the bullet did not exit
must've hit a rib after it went through the heart

This happened while I worked at Magnum Firearms. It was the third or fourth suicide to occur at Magnum at that point (summer 2009), but the first to happen while I was there.  Happy, normal seeming dude in his mid 50's walked in and rented a Sig P220 from me. Bought two boxes of 45acp, and shot all of it except one round at a silhouette target. Put the last round in his chest and it didn't exit the back. He was dead before he hit the ground. Although I will never be able to thank him, he taught me a valuable life lesson that day. Within a week I was looking for a new job.

see heres what everyone is missing... this shows that laws banning guns and stuff these people found a way around it... they didnt even own the guns or had to wait for registration they didnt even have to steal it. sorry i dont know where im going with this but its what came to mind reading the thread. i also liked the lesson learned by diralickt or you coulda just learn some tricks on the tumble bus to use at work.

This story illustrates why it's so important to have liability exemptions for certified firearms safety class instructors.  Imagine the lawsuits filed by the relatives of the suicide "victim" as well as by those watching (PTSD claims).  There's nothing ANYONE could have done to prevent this.

It sounds like a suicide. Plain and simple. I just hate it when people kill themselves in such a public manner that it's such a burden for others. Sort of like the jackasses that jump off highway bridges onto the incoming traffic.

All in all that is a terible situation anyone should ever have to witness. I usually take my wife and kids with me to the range and to think something like that could happen is crazy.

Aren't you?

You can't be armed, and no - I don't have loaded guns just sitting around.  You also can't just carry in a holster at the range either on the public pistol side.

.........so you can shoot someone before they are about to commit suicide?

Did you not look at the damn video of the mother shooting her son, at the gun range? What's to say she stops there?  If I saw someone purposefully point a gun at another individual, and shoot them, in the manner displayed in that video - there would most definitely be an imminent threat to health and safety in my direct vicinity.  I'm not going to sit and wait to see if they want to kill themselves afterwards; it's a threat - and it must be responded to as such for the health and safety of all in the area.  For all I would know is that I just witnessed the last straw in a persons mental breakdown and everyone else around them is next and about to die.   If they turn the gun on themselves, then obviously we would not want to shoot (we would want to attempt to de-escalate, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with pointing a loaded firearm in their direction.

It was a suicide, a friend of a coworker was at that class when it happened one lane over.  It was a central island  guns and ammo class.
A fourty four year old woman placed the muzzle of a .22 revolver under her chin and intentionally shot herself in the head, according to my coworkers paddling buddy, the range master ordered her to stop, but it happened too fast to do anything but holler stop.
In her purse was a hand written note with "do not resuscitate on it" 

Im surprised no one thought of this technique sooner, as there are not gun for rent ranges here...
Pay your class fee, sit through some lectures, and volia...instant access to a sure fire final exit, better than taking a bunch of pills or finding something (hopefully) tall enough to jump off of.
She must have thought it out quite a bit. Pretty slick.
I feel terrible for the range master, and the outfit running the class.
I go to that shop, on occasion and they seem like a good legit family operation... I hope they dont get screwed over something that was utterly beyond their control.

On a side note... all the indoor ranges on the mainland where I used to shoot, all the range masters and staff carried sidearms.  Suicide by rental gun is not uncommon... and who says the person who is about to pull a Cobain doesnt want some company?

Happened at magnum 2 times.  1 fatal and 1 non fatal.  Both women.

The non fatal was a young girl who rented a 22 and pointed it at her head and the bullet
Bounced off her skull.  She got knocked out.  Luckily no one got hurt.

The other was a 9mm.  Was messy. Art made his employees clean the mess up.

Just read darealiket post.

The ones i mentioned were in the early 90's

Must b 3 total.  Art was lucky to never get it on te news.

Just read darealiket post.

The ones i mentioned were in the early 90's

Must b 3 total.  Art was lucky to never get it on te news.

They won't/shouldn't show it on the news.  Might give copycats an idea.

Not to sound insensitive but at least it was a suicide and not a mass murder suicide. Still unnecessary attention for the law abiding gun owners of Hawaii. 

 

That's just a terrible thing. .... makes you think twice about taking your young children to gun ranges

You can't be armed, and no - I don't have loaded guns just sitting around.  You also can't just carry in a holster at the range either on the public pistol side.

Are you sh#tting me?  So the students are the only ones with firearms but not the instructors?  That is just insane almost comically so but it is Hawaii afterall.  Are the ROs armed?  I never noticed.

You can't be armed, and no - I don't have loaded guns just sitting around.  You also can't just carry in a holster at the range either on the public pistol side.

Anytime I do pistol instruction/training, I always have a loaded pistol on my side.

I don't train anyone on the public range, I guess that's the difference.