Deedy Trial - Injustice? (Read 315514 times)

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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2013, 03:51:46 AM »
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Buzz

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2013, 06:42:27 AM »
"Hate" is a strong word.  Did you know there is no word in the Hawaiian language that translates to "hate?"  I can't verify that (not a native Hawaiian), but that's what I was told!   :thumbsup:

Anyway, you might want to reevaluate how you react to people that irritate you.  When you hate these people, more often than not, you make yourself miserable while they either don't know and/or don't care how you feel.  So, hating is just a waste of time, energy, and karma!  The stress this causes can also affect your health if you let it get to you.


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How dare you ripoff and then poorly paraphrase Master Yoda.

"Fear leads to anger,anger leads to hate,hate leads to suffering,suffering leads to the Dark Side."
 - Master Yoda ...

Hahahahaha

Kingkeoni

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2013, 06:58:18 AM »
"Hate" is a strong word.  Did you know there is no word in the Hawaiian language that translates to "hate?"  I can't verify that (not a native Hawaiian), but that's what I was told!   :thumbsup:

Anyway, you might want to reevaluate how you react to people that irritate you.  When you hate these people, more often than not, you make yourself miserable while they either don't know and/or don't care how you feel.  So, hating is just a waste of time, energy, and karma!  The stress this causes can also affect your health if you let it get to you.

If you're looking for a label, I'd say you're "HUMAN."  The trick is to be bigger than the people that make you feel this way.  You might also want to keep an open mind.  Sometimes their arguments actually make sense if you step back and look at things from their point of view.  It may not change your mind, but empathy and understanding goes a long way toward constructive dialogue and problem solving.

 :shaka:

How dare you ripoff and then poorly paraphrase Master Yoda.

"Fear leads to anger,anger leads to hate,hate leads to suffering,suffering leads to the Dark Side."
 - Master Yoda ...

Hahahahaha

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1422LR

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2013, 07:38:45 AM »
The word "hate" etc. is found in the Bible many times.

Probably one of the most used is in Ecclesiastes 3:8

A time for loving;
A time for hating;
A time for war;
A time for peace.

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Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2013, 08:30:12 AM »
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« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 11:07:41 PM by moosed »
When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".

1422LR

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2013, 09:32:11 AM »
The word “hate” is a strong word.
The point here is that just because the word “hate” is not used or mentioned in a language doesn’t mean that it is not used.
The use of the word “hate” does not put you in the dark side.

I also got the impression that because the word “hate” is not in the Hawaiian language it must be because Hawaiians  didn’t know what “hate” is, we all aloha etc..  I disagree.

I used the Bible because to many it is a scared book, to me too BTW, and if it is mentioned there, then there is a time and a place.
What we must be aware of is the misuse of the term and emotion of “hate.”

Jl808

Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2013, 10:14:36 AM »
Yoda is wrong.  Hate does not always lead to suffering.

In my book, it is okay to "hate" injustice and evil.

However, prolonged "hating" is probably not good to your health (stress).

I love that book and song that 1422LR references by the way.  See below:

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Kingkeoni

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2013, 10:19:11 AM »
I HATE when a thread gets off topic.

 :stopjack:

 :rofl:
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Jl808

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2013, 10:41:19 AM »
Haha yes I resemble that remark. Sorry, folks!
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JASAN96706

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2013, 02:26:16 PM »
Ok so you cant drink and drive cause then youd be inpaired and could hurt or kill someone. But what about drinking and carrying a firearm? wasnt deedy under the infuence and armed?

Garuda

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2013, 03:36:30 PM »
"Hate" is a strong word.  Did you know there is no word in the Hawaiian language that translates to "hate?"  I can't verify that (not a native Hawaiian), but that's what I was told!   :thumbsup:

Anyway, you might want to reevaluate how you react to people that irritate you.  When you hate these people, more often than not, you make yourself miserable while they either don't know and/or don't care how you feel.  So, hating is just a waste of time, energy, and karma!  The stress this causes can also affect your health if you let it get to you.

If you're looking for a label, I'd say you're "HUMAN."  The trick is to be bigger than the people that make you feel this way.  You might also want to keep an open mind.  Sometimes their arguments actually make sense if you step back and look at things from their point of view.  It may not change your mind, but empathy and understanding goes a long way toward constructive dialogue and problem solving.

 :shaka:

Moosed, on the whole I can't disagree with your statement, well written to boot.  I dont hate them on a regular basis to the point where it affects me, maybe despise is the correct word.  I've only been paying attention to what's going on in this country in the last few years and I am quite apalled at what I see.  Not sure what  more I can do in addition to what I'm already doing, and even that seems like its a losing battle.  I'm not one to easily give up nor will I quit, it's just frustrating. 

Back to topic, this is the worst state for the Deedy trial to happen in.  To compare it to the Zimmerman case is ridiculous.  Like the Rodney King story, I'm sure the mass public was not shown the entire story......

KLaroche31D

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2013, 04:37:39 PM »
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22788188/demonstrators-support-victim-in-deedy-murder-case

Sickening. Can't we just let our judicial system play it out? Comparable to the Trayvon Martin case? The racial card? Are we that ignorant that we have to throw that card out every time there are two different races involved?
Its not ignorance that leads people to make race an issue, its the fanatics. Specifically these World Can't Wait nutjobs. They're are the same folks who a few years back implied our US service members were "baby killers". So dollars to doughnuts, it was Ms. Rees and friends who made the "racist system" sign. Just a bunch of rabble rousers looking to start something.

I don't think for the majority of people it a racial issue. Local vs. Mainland? Sure, but thats kind of expected no matter where you go.

bass monkey

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2013, 05:05:08 PM »
Hawaii news now got the video of what happened inside of McDonalds up on their website.
Get it and post it before it gets taken down!!!!

Kingkeoni

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2013, 05:09:54 PM »
Ok so you cant drink and drive cause then youd be inpaired and could hurt or kill someone. But what about drinking and carrying a firearm? wasnt deedy under the infuence and armed?

That has not been established.

I don't know if there was a test performed to determine alcohol in his system.

If there was, it will no doubt be introduced into evidence during the course of the trial.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Bunker

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2013, 05:25:27 PM »
That has not been established.

I don't know if there was a test performed to determine alcohol in his system.

If there was, it will no doubt be introduced into evidence during the course of the trial.
I thought he was never tested from what I recall but could be wrong. I think he admitted to having a drink during the day but that's all I heard, which doesn't prove he was intoxicated at the time of the incident, but maybe they did a test at some point. I'm sure they will introduce it like you said, if one exists.

Funtimes

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2013, 07:07:24 PM »
I thought he was never tested from what I recall but could be wrong. I think he admitted to having a drink during the day but that's all I heard, which doesn't prove he was intoxicated at the time of the incident, but maybe they did a test at some point. I'm sure they will introduce it like you said, if one exists.

smartly, he declined said test.
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ren

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2013, 07:15:51 PM »
My initial post was that of cynicism of the public - it just seems that the local media spins the perspective around and in my opinion interject a sense of "local boy was innocently shot by a white federal agent". Now that images from the surveillance video are out it appears that the aggressor was the now deceased. I saw no point in the prosecution allowing a friend of the deceased offer testimony of them partying to include marijuana use. That type of activity seems to be the norm here and doesn't raise any flags.
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Jl808

Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2013, 07:43:52 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong... is Elderts attacking of Deedy the same as someone attacking a LEO?
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Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2013, 07:54:22 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong... is Elderts attacking of Deedy the same as someone attacking a LEO?

Yes.
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Re: Deedy Trial - Injustice?
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2013, 07:56:24 PM »
My initial post was that of cynicism of the public - it just seems that the local media spins the perspective around and in my opinion interject a sense of "local boy was innocently shot by a white federal agent". Now that images from the surveillance video are out it appears that the aggressor was the now deceased. I saw no point in the prosecution allowing a friend of the deceased offer testimony of them partying to include marijuana use. That type of activity seems to be the norm here and doesn't raise any flags.

Some of this came out in the Zimmerman trial, but many pathologists are begining to say that the effects of today's marijuana is not the same of marijuana in the past.  It's no longer the "let's chill, eat whitecastle burgers" kind of drug in many instances.  This comes from the way it is grown and manufactured. 
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