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Why do you guys think there's never, that I recall, been an incident like this one involving off-duty HPD ?

The only one I could find was Tenari Maafala in 1998 at Mayor Wright, but the other guy fired a gun at him first.

You think it was just drunk moke-mentality locals ( not implying all locals have a moke-mentality, just the punks ) going after a mainland haole ?
But they would never challenge an HPD officer ? ( who come in all shapes and sizes and even from the mainland )
It's very possible. If so, kudos to HPD, they get R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Makes me wonder if Deedy ever clearly identifield himself as LEO and showed credentials.
Like I said, if someone says I'm a special agent, it would be like, who ? James Bond ? unless they showed credentials.

It's a serious question. Deedy was in town for like less than a week and he ends up shooting a guy off-duty. .
HPD hasn't done it in 15 years. And can't find an incident before that. Certainly not involving an unarmed man. 

 

Edit: reply was to Moosed's last post about an officer on duty who shot the guy in the front yard of a Kalihi Valley home who had a stake.
And he used large bold letters, so I responded in kind.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130308_HPD_responding_to_shooting_in_Kalihi_Valley.html?id=196523841

Original post:
Was he off duty ?

I should lower my voice.
No need to yell. 

Why do you guys think there's never, that I recall, been an incident like this one involving off-duty HPD ?

The only one I could find was Tenari Maafala in 1998 at Mayor Wright, but the other guy fired a gun at him first.

You think it was just drunk moke-mentality locals ( not implying all locals have a moke-mentality, just the punks ) going after a mainland haole ?
But they would never challenge an HPD officer ? ( who come in all shapes and sizes and even from the mainland )
It's very possible. If so, kudos to HPD, they get R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Makes me wonder if Deedy ever clearly identifield himself as LEO and showed credentials.
Like I said, if someone says I'm a special agent, it would be like, who ? James Bond ? unless they showed credentials.

It's a serious question. Deedy was in town for like less than a week and he ends up shooting a guy off-duty. .
HPD hasn't done it in 15 years. And can't find an incident before that. Certainly not involving an unarmed man.

Not sure the exact date, but i think it may have been after the Mayor Wright incident.  7-11 Makaha, off-duty HPD involved.  According to media reports (yes I know how (un)reliable they are, the circumstances were a lot different, but still involved off-duty HPD and an unarmed local.  Didn't kill the guy, shot him a couple times in the ass though.  In my opinion, this was a totally different scenario.
In the McDonalds instance, seems like drunk moke, drunk-carrying LEO scenario.

Deedy should be acquitted. Elderts and his friend are typical of your local moronic punks that go out looking for trouble, and they got it. What I find hilarious is the idiots here that are trying to compare this case to the Zimmerman/Martin fiasco - complete w/ Justice for Collin signs. The one commonality between the two is you have a drugged up punk who wants to act all gangster and then gets shot for thinking he can just punch a complete stranger for - in his so-called mind - dissin' him. Like others have written, this is an issue because you have a white guy (haole) and a dead local. If Deedy was HPD, this would've been over and settled years ago. I was born and raised here so I know all about the local attitudes towards mainlanders, and let's be honest here: Hawaii has long tolerated a quasi-racist attitude toward Caucasians. If you replaced the word haole w/ black/African American and treated them the way whites are treated here, we'd have race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson screaming about how Hawaii was the Dixie of the Pacific.

Not sure the exact date, but i think it may have been after the Mayor Wright incident.  7-11 Makaha, off-duty HPD involved.  According to media reports (yes I know how (un)reliable they are, the circumstances were a lot different, but still involved off-duty HPD and an unarmed local.  Didn't kill the guy, shot him a couple times in the ass though.  In my opinion, this was a totally different scenario.
In the McDonalds instance, seems like drunk moke, drunk-carrying LEO scenario.

Actually, I should not have named the Mayor Wright housing specifically, as I'm not sure if that was the one, but it was one of the Kalihi Housing areas. 
Also, according to the media reports,  the off-duty involved in the Makaha incident feared for his life and reportedly felt he was in danger of losing consciousness. 

Actually, I should not have named the Mayor Wright housing specifically, as I'm not sure if that was the one, but it was one of the Kalihi Housing areas. 
Also, according to the media reports,  the off-duty involved in the Makaha incident feared for his life and reportedly felt he was in danger of losing consciousness. 

That's the perfect example for CCW need.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Mar/31/ln/hawaii903310337.html

Off-duty cop buys coffee, gets in vehicle, and punk starts punching him through window. ( considering media reports are accurate. )

My brother was at the Waimanalo Jack-in-the-Box drive-thru and was punched through his open window, just for the guy to realize he knew my brother and apologized.

Punched because he was a haole and the guy was having a bad day. ( We're local haole. He knew the guy from high school ) 

the Dixie of the Pacific. ( in reverse )

That goes on our quote list with:
- Ham Sammy reliability ( AK-47 )
- Crazy Joe's double barrel of justice

Regarding the incident noted above with the off-duty HPD. Sure enough, no hoo-haw about it. Though he didn't kill the guy.

Edit:
But I still love Hawaii, the local culture and wouldn't live anywhere elsewhere. ( so long as I have a choice )

Not sure the exact date, but i think it may have been after the Mayor Wright incident.  7-11 Makaha, off-duty HPD involved.  According to media reports (yes I know how (un)reliable they are, the circumstances were a lot different, but still involved off-duty HPD and an unarmed local.  Didn't kill the guy, shot him a couple times in the ass though.  In my opinion, this was a totally different scenario.
In the McDonalds instance, seems like drunk moke, drunk-carrying LEO scenario.

Here's the link to the Makaha one:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=10092264


Report is crafted rather well.  100% the perps fault.

That goes on our quote list with:

And what exactly did I write that you disagree with? If blacks were treated in same manner that whites are treated here, you can bet morons like Sharpton, etal. would be comparing us to a southern state mentality, i.e., a Dixie of the Pacific.

Just replace the word haole with n*gger and you can see how there's a double standard w/ the quasi-racist attitudes many have here for whites.

Disagree ?

I agree 100 %.

That's why it goes on our quote list. 

(actually the quote list is just mine, but's it's classic lines that have been posted )

Edit:

With one exception to your last post. Haole is not deregatory. IMO. It's what goes in front of the word Haole.
I identify myself as local haole. If it were F***in Haole that would be the same as the N-word.

I take no offense to one of the "Uncles" calling me "Eh, Haole boy" 
Ah, I miss the old days, when we could call people Haole, Portagee, Pake, Sole, Yobo, Flip, Kanak, Nipponese ( Nippon is the japanese word for Japan ) and nobody would get upset.

Anyone remember: " K-I-K-U...KIKU Nippongo Tedubidesu" before the Kikaida TV shows. Channel 13.

I digress.

I still agree with you Kev.

 

There are dozens of instances involving off duty and on duty LEO's in Hawaii which never get reported or get reported inaccurately.




The local attitude toward Haoles is because the haole lied to them, stole their land, raped their women then made laws so they couldn't do the same. (See: Massey case)

Till today, many haoles have snobby condescending, elitist attitudes toward locals.

There is a very valid reason for racial tension.

(actually the quote list is just mine, but's it's classic lines that have been posted )

My bad. But when I'm lumped in with the moronic spew of Biden, I take it as being on the same level of his idiocy. I see you just thought it was a funny observation and not meant as a slight.

There are dozens of instances involving off duty and on duty LEO's in Hawaii which never get reported or get reported inaccurately.




The local attitude toward Haoles is because the haole lied to them, stole their land, raped their women then made laws so they couldn't do the same. (See: Massey case)

Till today, many haoles have snobby condescending, elitist attitudes toward locals.

There is a very valid reason for racial tension.

Stereotyping is never accurate, nor is it anything other than an excuse for hating someone because you haven't gotten to know them as an individual.

I suppose every local displays every single stereotypical "local Hawaiian" attribute Haoles believe about them?

My bad. But when I'm lumped in with the moronic spew of Biden, I take it as being on the same level of his idiocy. I see you just thought it was a funny observation and not meant as a slight.

Sorry Kev,

Misunderstanding.

Crazy Joes double barrel of justice is a slight at Joe, not you. I just love that saying. So it's a classic quote.

Just go get crazy joe's double barrel of justice. and shoot 2 shots off the balcony. 
If you want the link to Ham sammy reliability, let me know. That's a classic also.

But I digress.

The local attitude toward Haoles is because the haole lied to them, stole their land, raped their women then made laws so they couldn't do the same. (See: Massey case)

Till today, many haoles have snobby condescending, elitist attitudes toward locals.

There is a very valid reason for racial tension.

Sounds like Sharpton, Jackson, etc. . Pissed off about what happened 100+ years ago. 
Valid ? Lumping all haoles into one pot and picking on a race because of it's race ? King, I expected more from you. 
I got plenty local friends who accept me for who I am. Where is the love ?

 

A "haole boy" hit my parked car today.  If I were anyone else it may have turned out pretty ugly.  But know what, he was totally polite and responsible and the damage minor.  Young kid sent off to the middle of the Pacific answering the call of Uncle Sam gets in fender bender - I ain't gonna' give him a hard time.

Was a good dark o'clock SHTF drill for me but that's another story.

But I digress.

Sounds like Sharpton, Jackson, etc. . Pissed off about what happened 100+ years ago. 
Valid ? Lumping all haoles into one pot and picking on a race because of it's race ? King, I expected more from you. 
I got plenty local friends who accept me for who I am. Where is the love ?

Being Caucasian doesn't make someone a bad person, but there are people that have their pink nose stuck up in the air and believe that they're better than someone simply because of the color of their skin.

My friends come in every color.
If someone is nice, respectful and fun, I tend to get along with them.

People that think they're better than someone else because of the color of their skin can bury their head in the sand for all I care.

Being Caucasian doesn't make someone a bad person, but there are people that have their pink nose stuck up in the air and believe that they're better than someone simply because of the color of their skin.

Neuvaeu Rich Transplants ? ( how do you spell nueveau ? Just wait 'til Kakaako gets developed. )
Punahou graduates ?  ( Oh maybe that's just pot smokin' future presidents )

Just kiddin'.
I hear you.
It's an attitude, not a race.

But that doesn't excuse:

There is a very valid reason for racial tension.

There's no valid reason for racial tension. But there may be a reason for people tension.   

There are dozens of instances involving off duty and on duty LEO's in Hawaii which never get reported or get reported inaccurately.




The local attitude toward Haoles is because the haole lied to them, stole their land, raped their women then made laws so they couldn't do the same. (See: Massey case)

Till today, many haoles have snobby condescending, elitist attitudes toward locals.

There is a very valid reason for racial tension.

I'm with KK.  Just because we haven't heard of anything or don't remember doesn't mean there aren't cases where off duty LEOs in the state have pulled firearms on/shot at others.

Pulled firearms on...no shots fired.
One thing. Situation diffused.

Shot at others. whole different ballgame.

Hit someone, whole 'nother ballgame all together.
Heck, they reported on the guy shot in the ass. 

I'll check with my LEO friends. But that one is tough to swallow, wiithout specifics.

We've got LEO members on this forum. Is this correct ?

I'm happy to eat crow.