Since MDS apparently refuses to do any research while demanding that everyone else get educated, I thought he might enjoy some light reading on the topic of auditory exclusion.  The synopsis is that in a high-stress situation (i.e. someone's trying to kill you in your own house), the human brain has a tendency to exclude information that it regards as less important.  (i.e. the second dude swinging a bat at your head)  Maybe you'll have less ringing in your ears after you shoot your 22 than I will with my 12 gauge, but on the other hand, my first guy will be dead or dying after the first volley of buckshot which will allow me to deal with his baseball bat-wielding accomplice one on one.  The guy you shot with a 22 to protect your hearing will be the same guy stabbing you in the back while you try to deal with his friend because the 22 caliber is a piss poor choice for home defense.

Seriously? Another crackpot savvy gun owner telling a beginner that his shotgun is the best home defense. A shotgun for f sakes, go back to sleep Biden. 

Sorry man but it really seems like that's a big block of ramble lol.

Here is one problem that I have not seen any semi-automatic .22LR pistol be able to overcome: reliability.

I have almost all the .22's on the market from GSG 1911, Sig Mosquito, Ruger SR22, S&W MP 22, Walther P22  - none of these function to the level that I would consider any of them reliable.  The only ones that I have seen to be reliable, are the MK4 and it's predecessors lol.

To chris' point my ruger mk ii comp target with polished bolt will not feed reliable with anything other than mini-mags or federal traget ammo.  Even with mini-mags its never been 100%.  Though with mini mags ftf or fte are few and far between.

No doubt your intentions are good, but just because someone isn't a 24/7 gun nut doesn't make them a retard.  I use the same policy with people new to guns that I use with anyone else--I answer the question they asked me.  If they're asking what the best gun for home defense is, it's absolute bullshit to give the answer to a different question.  In this case, you've got someone asking "What gun is BEST for home defense?" and you're providing an answer to the question, "What's the best gun for learning to shoot?" 

If someone asks you what's the most economical car to drive, do you tell them to get a Ford Excursion on the assumption that they're retards who can't drive and should be in a big, safe vehicle?

What part of your disjointed comparative do I begin with Mr. Biden?

Seriously? Another crackpot savvy gun owner telling a beginner that his shotgun is the best home defense. A shotgun for f sakes, go back to sleep Biden.

Why are you still hung up on the idea that you should answer the question you think a new guy should have asked, instead of the one he actually asked?

Why are you still hung up on the idea that you should answer the question you think a new guy should have asked, instead of the one he actually asked?

Exactly!!

Not sure I follow how MDS got to "Because that person has no idea how to handle a firearm if they are asking" and "Give them the beginners tip".  You are assuming the OP is a beginner, but what I read from him is that he's weighing the pros and cons of choosing a .22LR for HD.  Extrapolating all the bad things that can happen from an assumption, that he is a beginner, might be off-base.

Just because someone asks a question doesn't mean he's a beginner.  It just means he's worried about the downside of gunshot-related hearing loss.  There are those who target shoot all year long but never thought about every aspect and consequence related to firing a gun inside for for home defense.  That's why there are so many classes and materials available to teach such things.

 

No doubt your intentions are good, but just because someone isn't a 24/7 gun nut doesn't make them a retard.  I use the same policy with people new to guns that I use with anyone else--I answer the question they asked me.  If they're asking what the best gun for home defense is, it's absolute bullshit to give the answer to a different question.  In this case, you've got someone asking "What gun is BEST for home defense?" and you're providing an answer to the question, "What's the best gun for learning to shoot?" 

If someone asks you what's the most economical car to drive, do you tell them to get a Ford Excursion on the assumption that they're retards who can't drive and should be in a big, safe vehicle?

Oh: so by your dysfunctional comparative you're saying if someone wants to learn how to drive put them in a Semi Truck and if someone want to learn how to fly put them in charge of the yolk on a passenger jet. Those are some great comparatives.... thanks for shedding such wisdom down upon me. Really, I'm comprehending you now. So we may as well tell everyone the best home defense weapon is not the Colt AR15 but rather the M16 A-2. Oh hell; why stop there? Why not tell them to acquire an old field artillery gun. Oh that's right, there is a best home defense gun... right? LOL I don't know what's more naïve, asking the question or trying to answer it with your favorite pick of the litter. Good luck Shotgun Annie.

Interesting how this thread went from .22 is a good home defense gun to if someone was asking for advice I would tell them a .22

Interesting how this thread went from .22 is a good home defense gun to if someone was asking for advice I would tell them a .22

Here's the bottom line...

Use whatever YOU want in your home, I'll use whatever I deem appropriate in my home.

Yea!  We all win. 

Interesting how this thread went from .22 is a good home defense gun to if someone was asking for advice I would tell them a .22

"22lr for home defense?" is a question not a statement.
 

Exactly!!

Not sure I follow how MDS got to "Because that person has no idea how to handle a firearm if they are asking" and "Give them the beginners tip".  You are assuming the OP is a beginner, but what I read from him is that he's weighing the pros and cons of choosing a .22LR for HD.  Extrapolating all the bad things that can happen from an assumption, that he is a beginner, might be off-base.

Just because someone asks a question doesn't mean he's a beginner.  It just means he's worried about the downside of gunshot-related hearing loss.  There are those who target shoot all year long but never thought about every aspect and consequence related to firing a gun inside for for home defense.  That's why there are so many classes and materials available to teach such things.

 

Again - the topic is a question "22lr for home defense?", yes or no?
If that's a persons question the answer is "yes". Unsaid is, figure it out from there or in my case I did point out the Five N Seven as a better choice.
 

I've been thinking of having 22lr as home defense guns. Low recoil, low noise easy manuerverability makes it seem like a good choice. Actually low noise is my biggest concern since we can't have suppressors here. I don't want go deaf trying to defend  my life
Did some quick googling and came up on this

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-22l-for-self-defense/

You can read, right?  Yes or no....

Oh: so by your dysfunctional comparative you're saying if someone wants to learn how to drive put them in a Semi Truck and if someone want to learn how to fly put them in charge of the yolk on a passenger jet. Those are some great comparatives.... thanks for shedding such wisdom down upon me. Really, I'm comprehending you now. So we may as well tell everyone the best home defense weapon is not the Colt AR15 but rather the M16 A-2. Oh hell; why stop there? Why not tell them to acquire an old field artillery gun. Oh that's right, there is a best home defense gun... right? LOL I don't know what's more naïve, asking the question or trying to answer it with your favorite pick of the litter. Good luck Shotgun Annie.

You would be more successful with the ad hominems if you were more clever.  At any rate, since my little analogy went right over your head, the point was: answer the question that was asked, not the question you think should have been asked.  I thought that was pretty clear.  If folks want to debate about whether a shotgun or a semi-automatic rifle or a decent caliber handgun make the best choice for home defense, more power to 'em, good arguments can be made for each.  But don't give them bad advice based on your assumption that they're too stupid to ask the right questions.

You can read, right?  Yes or no....

LOL yes I can, but it still means they are not too knowledgeable about firearms.
The bottom line is this. Home defense is not having to rely on your firearm in high risk circumstances most the time as one would in LE or combat. Home defense is something few to none of us will ever encounter, but when we do, it most likely will not require a machine gun or a 50 cal. "Easy does it" for home defense is fine in most circumstances.  Now if we're fearful of militaristic assault by rogue government entity or starving crowds attacking our home for food then by all means LOL, bring out the big guns. I've a collection for what ever might come up, god forbid.
 

You would be more successful with the ad hominems if you were more clever.  At any rate, since my little analogy went right over your head, the point was: answer the question that was asked, not the question you think should have been asked.  I thought that was pretty clear.  If folks want to debate about whether a shotgun or a semi-automatic rifle or a decent caliber handgun make the best choice for home defense, more power to 'em, good arguments can be made for each.  But don't give them bad advice based on your assumption that they're too stupid to ask the right questions.

Using a 22lr for home defense is not "bad advice" and thinking it's bad advice is BS. I prefer the Five N Seven but for most people the 22lr is perfect. Nothing anyone can write or link to will prove that otherwise. There are more pros than cons, period.

Using a 22lr for home defense is not "bad advice" and thinking it's bad advice is BS. I prefer the Five N Seven but for most people the 22lr is perfect. Nothing anyone can write or link to will prove that otherwise. There are more pros than cons, period.

No, it's pretty much universally accepted as bad advice.  If you're going to give it, fine, but you'll need to get used to people telling you it's bad advice. 

I'm going to make this damn clear to everyone, if someone asks what the best home defense gun is. I'm going to say a Ruger 22 handgun or some other dependable brand. WHY? Because that person has no idea how to handle a firearm if they are asking and for that type of person starting at the beginning and working their way up is a better bet than starting at the top and doing more harm to themselves and others than is necessary. Every damn time I hear this question I see forgetfulness rise from otherwise savvy gun owners. The question is not "What gun is best for your home defense". Give them the beginners tip and let them figure it out the rest of the way for themselves, assuming they ever bother to take it beyond a 22 level. Get it? Responsible gun ownership begins with training, then you establish experience and then you face considering the circumstances of advise you're giving out to others.

Some of the worst advice I have ever seen someone say they would give.  Let's provide people with a functioning, but less than reliable weapon platform to guide their safety and decisions.  I await your comments on how I don't know anything, how I must suck, how I can't shoot, how I know nothing at all about weapons and so forth. 

To chris' point my ruger mk ii comp target with polished bolt will not feed reliable with anything other than mini-mags or federal traget ammo.  Even with mini-mags its never been 100%.  Though with mini mags ftf or fte are few and far between.

When I have seen my buddies shoot them, they seemed a little more steady in function than the guns I own.  That said, it wouldn't surprise me that you are having issues or require specific ammo (mine do too).  Based on how often I shoot the .22's, I think they are all unreliable and run like shit.  My walther p22 performs the best, following that, it's definitely the GSG 1911, but none of them fall into what I would consider "reliable."

No, it's pretty much universally accepted as bad advice.  If you're going to give it, fine, but you'll need to get used to people telling you it's bad advice.

Really? It's universally accepted as bad advice you say. Tell that to the majority of gun owners, it would appear they disagree with you according to the firearms death stats.
Have you tried to buy 22 ammo recently?

Really? It's universally accepted as bad advice you say. Tell that to the majority of gun owners, it would appear they disagree with you according to the firearms death stats.
Have you tried to buy 22 ammo recently?

Suicide is NOT the same as a defensive firearm use / death.

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