I wonder how some of the .17 Win super mag would do.  Those things are cooking out like 3400+ fps..

22lr for HD, can can......

So if you hit the perp with 10rds  of 22lr versus 1 round in 45acp, is that still self defense?

Or would it matter what caliber it was...?

Yeah, good point KK.... He not innocent if he touch the Twinkies though....

Even in the very unlikely event that all your rounds are landing on target, the sad truth is that pistol rounds, no matter what their caliber, or what the bullet type, are woefully inadequate and are most unlikely to solve your problem with a single generic hit to the center of the thoracic cavity.

As soon as you fire a second round, no matter what happened to the first round – whether it missed the bad guy entirely, or just caused a light graze on his arm, or if it incapacitated him instantly and completely – you open yourself up to accusations of excessive use of force.  Imagine yourself in court, with a prosecutor talking to the jury ‘Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, whether right or wrong, maybe the defendant believed he needed to shoot at the deceased, but did the defendant need to shoot at him multiple times, and change what might have been a survivable wound into a lethal hail of bullets?  This was a …..’ – insert your term of choice here :

    Cold blooded murder, not an act of self defense
    Crazed shooting spree beyond what any reasonable man would do
    Rambo rage rather than rational response
    Gangland style murder
    Military type assassination
    Extreme and uncalled for use of excessive force
    Massive overreaction that resulted in the victim dying rather than just being wounded

or any other phrase that might be called upon.

just get a 10/22 with a side folding stock and BX-25. pretty sure that would do just fine, no?

On a lighter note.

I'd like to welcome back twinkles. 

 

I read part of it, I saw the stats on a different website.

Link that I am providing if I am not mistaken uses that stat.



For the Record : 22 Caliber Beats the .45

Ok so the guy in the video said:

A) nothing beats a shotgun.
B) a 45acp does considerably more tissue damage than a 22lr
C) the only way a 22 beats a 45 is if you miss with a 45, and can't manage accurate follow up shots.

Any gun is better than no gun.

I would just keep a pair of these next to your HD gun.

How many people here have discharged a firearm within a closed room without ear protection? Take a stab at the next question; which firearm would you most likely be able to hear a pin drop on a ceramic tile floor after discharging it without ear protection within a closed room? (a) .22lr (b) Larger than .22lr
How many can hear a squeaky floor or someone walking across your floor? Could you still hear them moving immediately after discharging a firearm within the room? Could you hear someone screaming with a burglars hand over their mouth in the next room after taking down one of the burglars you encountered with a 45 S&W? When in a darkened room you see a burglar and iron sight in the burglar (you identified them with your light first), to your side another burglar is swinging a baseball bat at your head, do you notice? You're in a dark room and see a burglar and shoot them only to turn on the lights and see it's your kid who came home for a visit from college unannounced and you just shot them with a 45 S&W. Another situation comes along and you shoot the burglar and its a "clean" shot with your 9mm but back in the bedroom behind the burglar is your kid sleeping eternally on their bed also because the round penetrated the burglar the wall and your kid.  How many situations can you think of where a large caliber firearm would be the last thing you want, do you really want to discharge a large caliber firearm in your home or apartment? Discharging any firearm in your home is nuts to begin with but how far nuts does nuts need to be? Think about it very carefully, few to no situations are you sitting on a horse in front of a bad guy out in the desert.
Since I can take down a 300lb boar with a 10-22 @ 100+ yards every time, why on earth would one need anything above a 22 pistol at point blank range to take down a human attacker? "Stopping power"... my ass.

Sorry man but it really seems like that's a big block of ramble lol.

Here is one problem that I have not seen any semi-automatic .22LR pistol be able to overcome: reliability.

I have almost all the .22's on the market from GSG 1911, Sig Mosquito, Ruger SR22, S&W MP 22, Walther P22  - none of these function to the level that I would consider any of them reliable.  The only ones that I have seen to be reliable, are the MK4 and it's predecessors lol.

Anyone opting for a .22lr for a defensive selection when there are other options easily and / or readily available to them should completely re-evaluate their self or home defense plan and their overall education on the entire topic from terminal ballistics to defensive principles and practices.  ASAP.

Sharp senses are a must during random fluidic defense altercations.
Exactly why I use an electronic earmuffs which amplifies low level sound
 The ear protection may end up getting you killed taking the time to put it on or if you fail to hear a second attacker coming up behind you.
Make up your mind. Sharp senses or fail to hear because you refuse to use hearing protection.
There are two good choices when it comes to HD weapons for the average armed person, a dependable 22 SA Pistol or the better but more expensive choice FN 5.7×28mm.
I respectfully disagree.
Those 2 firearms are the best weapon to have more times out of a hundred than any other for civilian home defense, that you can bank on.
Do some research.
Bigger is seldom better in such altercations and when it comes right down to it, we're talking the odds here.
Do some research, specifically: Marshall/Sanow
If you're using a larger caliber weapon you can expect some serous hearing loss (Use ear protection)
and again that big caliber weapon wont help you when the guy behind you clobbers you over the head because your previous volley deafen you to their behind approach.
Use ear protection
Senses are the most important thing, period. (Use ear protection)
Making sure you keep them as sharp as can be in all aspects is your best bet. (Use ear protection)
traditional LE weapons are seldom a good choice for HD although more and more LE are leaning towards the FN 5.7×28mm recognizing their superior handling in hand for quicker target reacquisition and the vastly decreased assault on their senses.
Let me get this straight:traditional LE weapons are not a good choice for home defense but you believe the obscure 5.7x28 is the best choice, yet LE is now using it as a traditional LE weapon? Hmmm?