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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: dirsh on September 09, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun-police-say/-/1637132/21851424/-/tlxm3oz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun-police-say/-/1637132/21851424/-/tlxm3oz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
According to Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell, Shellie Zimmerman called 911 claiming George Zimmerman had a gun and was making threats.
"He’s in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying 'step closer' and he’s just threatening all of us," Shellie Zimmerman said in the 911 call, adding that George Zimmerman was "trying to shut the garage door" on her.
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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun-police-say/-/1637132/21851424/-/tlxm3oz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun-police-say/-/1637132/21851424/-/tlxm3oz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
George Zimmerman's wife not planning to press charges in domestic dispute
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-george-zimmerman-police-custody-20130909,0,3625334.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-george-zimmerman-police-custody-20130909,0,3625334.story)
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They are going through a divorce.
His wife pleaded guilty to perjury during his trial regarding the family assets.
A large portion of the nation want him dead; many others want him in prison. She probably believes she can use threats of having him arrested as leverage in the divorce.
My opinion is, his credibility is better than hers! A jury believed his defense, both consistent with the evidence and never changing, and they dismissed the charges.
She lied and had no defense.
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the plot thickens
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The media really screwed over this guy's life. Constantly in the news for speeing. Now this... I just do not buy a story saying he was threatening her with a gun. Punched out her father. smashed and then cut up her ipad with a knife....
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best thing to do nowadays is just grab your cell phone and record whenever you think shits about to go down
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I def. think there's more to the story than what the article says. He needs to move to a far off place, the media just won't leave the guy alone.
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Did it to himself... he didn't leave the kid alone either, even after being told to do so...
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Did it to himself... he didn't leave the kid alone either, even after being told to do so...
He was never told to "leave the kid alone"
In the recent event, the police didn't charge him, the wife and father-in-law refused to press charges, the police said there was a gun in the residence but it wasn't involved in the incident, and there was an unnamed blonde female with Zimmerman. Don't think a wife who filed for divorce might not so something to get back at the guy?
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That poor SOB just can't get a break.
It used to be said that every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.
I guess nowadays it should be said that every bullet has a rapacious headline-hungry reporter attached to it.
Terry, 230RN
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He was never told to "leave the kid alone"
In the recent event, the police didn't charge him, the wife and father-in-law refused to press charges, the police said there was a gun in the residence but it wasn't involved in the incident, and there was an unnamed blonde female with Zimmerman. Don't think a wife who filed for divorce might not so something to get back at the guy?
Actually, he was by the 911 operator who was definitely within their purview to tell him do so which he choose to ignore.
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Actually, he was by the 911 operator who was definitely within their purview to tell him do so which he choose to ignore.
You are either misinformed or willfully ignorant. First, the 911 operators are not sworn officers and no one is under any obligation to follow their directions. Second, the operator had asked Zimmerman what direction Martin ran and Zimmerman, according to testimony at the trial, said he then got out of his vehicle to see if he could ascertain where he went. It was at this point that the operator asked if Zimmerman was following Martin. Zimmerman replied in the affirmative and the operator said "we don't need you to do that" where upon Zimmerman stopped and tried to return to his vehicle. It was on return to his vehicle that Martin confronted and attacked Zimmerman.
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Actually, he was by the 911 operator who was definitely within their purview to tell him do so which he choose to ignore.
You should check your "facts".....
However, even IF you are correct, following someone is not sufficient cause for the other person to attack you and bash your skull into the pavement.
It was self defense, whether you think so or not.
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You should check your "facts".....
However, even IF you are correct, following someone is not sufficient cause for the other person to attack you and bash your skull into the pavement.
It was self defense, whether you think so or not.
lol, facts are checked, you should look into yours. Google is your friend 911 tapes are public. Oh & you're right, following and confronting are two very different things and if I recall correctly one was in a vehicle in which they were told to stay in and the other on foot minding their own business.
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lol, facts are checked, you should look into yours. Google is your friend 911 tapes are public. Oh & you're right, following and confronting are two very different things and if I recall correctly one was in a vehicle in which they were told to stay in and the other on foot minding their own business.
If, as you state, you've checked the facts, then you obviously didn't do a very good job, or you cannot read well. Here's a link to the transcribed 911 call with time stamps.
http://misterbillohno.newsvine.com/_news/2013/07/10/19392176-transcript-of-george-zimmerman-911-call (http://misterbillohno.newsvine.com/_news/2013/07/10/19392176-transcript-of-george-zimmerman-911-call)
Please find where he was told to stay in his vehicle....I'll wait.
And Zimmerman was absolutely within his rights to report a suspicious person, especially given the recent break-ins in his neighborhood.
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lol, facts are checked, you should look into yours. Google is your friend 911 tapes are public. Oh & you're right, following and confronting are two very different things and if I recall correctly one was in a vehicle in which they were told to stay in and the other on foot minding their own business.
Unless you can come up with a fact that show Zimmerman attacked Martin first, nothing you have to say about whether the 911 dispatcher said stay or not is relevant.
You're basically saying, if Trayvon had just not gone out to buy skittles and Iced Tea to get high that night, he's still be alive.
At some point, he attacked Zimmerman. I don't think he was provoked. I think he was the aggressor.
Prove otherwise.
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Anyone else find it coincidental this Ichibandj registered about the same time a couple of troll accounts were banned?
Too much of a coincidence for me!! :crazy: :rofl: :wtf:
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Unless you can come up with a fact that show Zimmerman attacked Martin first, nothing you have to say about whether the 911 dispatcher said stay or not is relevant.
You're basically saying, if Trayvon had just not gone out to buy skittles and Iced Tea to get high that night, he's still be alive.
At some point, he attacked Zimmerman. I don't think he was provoked. I think he was the aggressor.
Prove otherwise.
You can think whatever you want, neither you or I was there and YES that was what we were talking about... the 911 call so it's very relevant. I can see clearly now how you've overlooked that from the on goings of the whole case. #Done
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Anyone else find it coincidental this Ichibandj registered about the same time a couple of troll accounts were banned?
Too much of a coincidence for me!! :crazy: :rofl: :wtf:
Your point is? If I'm a troll that most certainly makes you a CLOWN NOW WTF THAT!
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And, it was Arizona Watermelon drink and Skittles, which when combined with Robitussin DM (active ingredient dextromethorphan) creates a popular recreational drug called "lean" which some claim to be like PCP....
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Your point is? If I'm a troll that most certainly makes you a CLOWN NOW WTF THAT!
The first one to start calling names loses. :wacko: :rofl: :wacko: :rofl:
I win. :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
#DONE
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Hey Ichibandj, I'm still waiting for you to find where he was told to stay in the car.....you'd think it would be easy enough since I provided the transcript for you....
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The first one to start calling names loses. :wacko: :rofl: :wacko: :rofl:
I win. :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
#DONE
I guess you need to instant replay that too! Troll is a name if I'm not mistaken, I'll take that prize now! :thumbsup:
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Hey Ichibandj, I'm still waiting for you to find where he was told to stay in the car.....you'd think it would be easy enough since I provided the transcript for you....
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I guess you need to instant replay that too! Troll is a name if I'm not mistaken, I'll take that prize now! :thumbsup:
You need to read better. I never said you were a troll, just that it's a coincidence you joined and are behaving this way.
Hit a nerve?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Hey Ichibandj, I'm still waiting for you to find where he was told to stay in the car.....you'd think it would be easy enough since I provided the transcript for you....
Ummm for the last time since ya'll can't seem to read so well.... PLEASE LISTEN!!!
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/ (http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/)
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Ummm for the last time since ya'll can't seem to read so well.... PLEASE LISTEN!!!
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/ (http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/)
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I've heard it, several times. Please point out where he was told to stay in the vehicle....I'll wait, again
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The FACT that he was told they didn't need him to follow says more than enough, safe to say he chose to ignore that right.
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You need to read better. I never said you were a troll, just that it's a coincidence you joined and are behaving this way.
Hit a nerve?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Insinuating doesn't work for me. Saying what you mean works much better. As for the nerves, no where near it, just taking a break between some course work... This is entertaining.
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The FACT that he was told they didn't need him to follow says more than enough, safe to say he chose to ignore that right.
For someone who claims others can't read, you don't read so good yourself, huh? You claim he was told to stay in the vehicle. Should be an easy FACT to prove, but in FACT you cannot, because that never happened.
The FACT is that you are purposefully being argumentative and evasive after making claims you cannot substantiate, and that probably means you are, as I originally stated, misinformed or willfully ignorant of the real facts and are instead trying to forward your own agenda without regards to the FACTS.....I think some here would call that being a troll....me, I just call it being stupid.
Obviously you don't really mean what your tag line says.....'cause you really don't know what you don't know....
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Ummm for the last time since ya'll can't seem to read so well.... PLEASE LISTEN!!!
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/ (http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/)
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Sorry, dude.
"Are you following him?"
"Yeah."
"Okay, we don't need you to do that."
...is FAR from "he didn't leave the kid alone either, even after being told to do so... ".
Thanks for playing, dude!
You have a right to your own opinion, just not to your own facts! The 911 dispatcher kept asking questions about Martin's location, his attire, his appearance, his age. How is Zimmerman going to assist the dispatcher without looking at Martin and looking at street signs and apartment numbers?
You really need to stop latching onto this bone. There's no meat on it! Every person on every forum that latches onto this little "fact" has been proven incorrect and inconsequential.
Face the facts. If I follow you, and you then turn to attack me, you need a better justification than "The dude following me looked like a creepy-ass cracker!"
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For someone who claims others can't read, you don't read so good yourself, huh? You claim he was told to stay in the vehicle. Should be an easy FACT to prove, but in FACT you cannot, because that never happened.
The FACT is that you are purposefully being argumentative and evasive after making claims you cannot substantiate, and that probably means you are, as I originally stated, misinformed or willfully ignorant of the real facts and are instead trying to forward your own agenda without regards to the FACTS.....I think so here would call that being a troll....me, I just call it being stupid.
Obviously you don't really mean what your tag line says.....'cause you really don't know what you don't know....
Agenda, what would that be? As I mentioned before, the operator told him they didn't need him to follow him PERIOD & THAT TOO IS A FACT.
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Agenda, what would that be? As I mentioned before, the operator told him they didn't need him to follow him PERIOD & THAT TOO IS A FACT.
I don't know what your agenda is, maybe you really wanted Zimmerman to be guilty, or that you had previously claimed this was a racial incident and when it wasn't, you just had to stick to your original idea despite any facts to the contrary....whatever that is, it's obvious you aren't really interested in the truth, or as you say, the FACTS....
You have made claims that you still haven't been able to substantiate....as you mentioned earlier, you claim Zimmerman was told to stay in his vehicle....prove it!
As for following Martin, Zimmerman did as he was asked, regardless of any real duty to so so.....
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Trayvon was a good kid.
He was buying skittles.
Skittles
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Trayvon was a good kid.
He was buying skittles.
Skittles
You hit on the entire reason this whole tragedy happened.
Trayvon was homophobic, and he was convinced Zimmerman was some gay guy after him.
While all this was going on, Trayvon realized he was attracting Zimmerman with the Skittles ....
and he was terrified Zimmerman wanted to "taste the RAINBOW!" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So it seems his wife drank the kool aid too.....
Poor Guy....
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I don't know what your agenda is, maybe you really wanted Zimmerman to be guilty, or that you had previously claimed this was a racial incident and when it wasn't, you just had to stick to your original idea despite any facts to the contrary....whatever that is, it's obvious you aren't really interested in the truth, or as you say, the FACTS....
You have made claims that you still haven't been able to substantiate....as you mentioned earlier, you claim Zimmerman was told to stay in his vehicle....prove it!
As for following Martin, Zimmerman did as he was asked, regardless of any real duty to so so.....
Who said anything about race? You're funny, I'm surprised it took this long for one of you to bring it up. You keep talking in circles, what are you trying to prove? I said what I said & will stand by it, if you all want to take things out of context that's on you I could really care less cause when it's all said and done I have way better things to do then to appease your ever so swollen ego's. This thread if nothing else showed your agenda. Good luck with law school... lol, I have the transcripts... who does that. It's been fun, well funny anyway. #Semantics :popcorn:
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If you followed the trial at all, you'd know the 911 dispatcher testified (1) dispatchers are not allowed to give commends like "stay in your vehicle" to callers because of potential liability issues, and (2) when the dispatcher suggested he didn't need Zimmerman to follow Martin, Zimmerman stopped.
The rest is all based on an eye witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman crying for help while being beaten.
You are latching onto a myth, that the 911 operator ordered Zimmerman to stay in the vehicle. That was started by an AP journalist. The same type of journalist who lied about hearing racial slurs on the 911 call, and the way a certain network altered the call to make it sound like Zimmerman volunteered that Martin looked black, instead of answering a question made by the dispatcher.
The whole "He was told to stay in the car" argument is based on a MYTH. You like Google so much, Google THAT! Trying to use the 911 call is not going to support your claim, since the dispatcher TESTIFIED IN COURT he DID NOT issue a command or order.
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Who said anything about race? You're funny, I'm surprised it took this long for one of you to bring it up. You keep talking in circles, what are you trying to prove? I said what I said & will stand by it, if you all want to take things out of context that's on you I could really care less cause when it's all said and done I have way better things to do then to appease your ever so swollen ego's. This thread if nothing else showed your agenda. Good luck with law school... lol, I have the transcripts... who does that. It's been fun, well funny anyway. #Semantics :popcorn:
I mentioned race because it seems to be one of those polarizing factors, and one that some people cannot get over despite the facts. Sorta like you, you know, someone who refuses to let those pesky little facts get in the way of any logical decision making. I'm betting, and this is pure speculation based on your unwillingness to actually discuss facts and defend your position with said facts, that you were one of those folks that immediately after the event cried loud and long about this being a racial thing. And, as the facts became known and fearing for your fragile ego, insisted on maintaining your position and did anything you could to try and twist the facts to your agenda. Sorta like claiming the 911 operator told him to stay in the car and never being able to produce that portion of the call from the transcripts. Any circular discussions have been yours, which again, is a sure sign of an argument bereft of facts. What am I trying to prove? Nothing, except making sure the facts are known and that small, undeveloped minds like yourself, who as you have demonstrated repeatedly, are prone to hyperbole and misinformation, aren't left unchecked to spread confusion.
So, this is what you've said during the course of this "discussion." Let's see you stand by what you said....
Did it to himself... he didn't leave the kid alone either, even after being told to do so...
Actually, he was by the 911 operator who was definitely within their purview to tell him do so which he choose to ignore.
lol, facts are checked, you should look into yours. Google is your friend 911 tapes are public. Oh & you're right, following and confronting are two very different things and if I recall correctly one was in a vehicle in which they were told to stay in and the other on foot minding their own business.
Each and every one of your assertions have been debunked with facts readily available, and which, on many occasions, provided for you. Yet you persist in claiming facts you cannot produce to substantiate your position. You sir, are a clear example of the twisted and failed logic, and manufactured "truths" that are the hallmark of the anti-gun, anti-self-defense crowd.
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I guess hes being "willingful ignorant".
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I guess hes being "willingful ignorant".
I guess I'm ignorant ... didn't know "willingful" was a real word!
:rofl: :D :shaka:
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willful ignorance (noun)
The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguments because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs.
Many times it is practiced due to laziness--people not wanting to have to do the work to rethink their opinions, the fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, or sometimes simply close-mindedness.
alt. form: willfully ignorant
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This is why the media needs to report the WHOLE truth, and if they do not have all of the facts, they NEED TO WAIT before releasing a "story!!"
Shellie Zimmerman Arrested and Charged with Battery Against George Zimmerman
http://nationalreport.net/shellie-zimmerman-arrested-charged-battery-george-zimmerman (http://nationalreport.net/shellie-zimmerman-arrested-charged-battery-george-zimmerman)
n a stunning turn of events, police in Lake Mary Florida have retrived video from the broken iPad of Shellie Zimmerman indicating that she had LIED about the actions of George Zimmerman and that SHE was the aggressor in the alleged attack reported earlier this week.
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more news
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/shellie-zimmerman-arrested-george-zimmerman-wife_n_1591153.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/shellie-zimmerman-arrested-george-zimmerman-wife_n_1591153.html)
The charges stem from what prosecutors have described as a series of lies and distortions made by the couple during an earlier bond hearing in April, when George Zimmerman and his family claimed they were broke. By late Tuesday afternoon, Shellie Zimmerman posted bond, set at $1,000.
Shortly after the initial bond hearing, it was revealed that George Zimmerman had raised upwards of $200,000 via a website set up to collect funds for his defense. At a June 1 hearing, his bond was revoked after prosecutors presented recorded conversations in which Zimmerman and his wife seem to collude to keep the funds hidden. Zimmerman instructed his wife to "pay off all the bills," which included those for American Express and Sam’s Club credit cards.