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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: HiCarry on January 26, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
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The 2011 legislative session has begun and an anti-gun bill has already been introduced. HB 441, introduced by Rep. Blake Oshiro (a strident anti-gun politician who has introduced and supported other anti-gun measures in the past)
HB441 has several parts, but in part seeks to ban .50 caliber guns and ammunition, require overly restrictive measures on storage by gun dealers, prohibit disclosure of the reason an applicant was denied a permit, and restrict ammunition sales to those with a valid registration for that type of firearm.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/lists/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=441 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/lists/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=441)
Get your pens sharpened and tryto make it to any scheduled hearings......
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"proof of registration for ammunition purchase"?
What needs to be done, and who do I write?
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Gonna start firing off stuff, will work on this at work.
Bill have you already contacted NRA?
--- Contacting gun shops as we speak, called Carolyn Herbertson left message (seeking advice and guidance) contact Ms. Froman as well. I want to get this known and find out what we can do to stop it.
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"proof of registration for ammunition purchase"?
What needs to be done, and who do I write?
For starters, I would suggest calling your legislator(s). Let them know you do not support this bill and will hold them accountable if they support or don't try to kill it. I would develope your argument as to why you don't support it (i.e. Banning 50 cal guns/ammo is a "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist, as no crimes have ever been documented with this firearm; restricting ammunition purchases to those that have a registered firearm of that caliber would hamper efforts to train non-gun owners or those gun owners who would like to try out other guns, say a friend who wants to take them to the range but asks that they purchase ammo to cut costs).
Use these arguments to prepare any written testimony (or verbal testimony if you can attend any of the hearings that may be scheduled). It is important to get your testimony ready now because the hearing notices often come up with little notice.
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Gonna start firing off stuff, will work on this at work.
Bill have you already contacted NRA?
--- Contacting gun shops as we speak, called Carolyn Herbertson left message (seeking advice and guidance) contact Ms. Froman as well. I want to get this known and find out what we can do to stop it.
Yes, I am working on a response to Carrie Herbertson at the NRA. I think we'll be able to use their e-mail notification system. The HRA will of course oppose it, but we'll also need to make sure to generate a ton of testimony if it makes it to a hearing. In the meantime, I would suggest contacting your individual legislators, as well as those on the committees, PSD and JUD, and let them know how you feel.
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Are there any pro-firearm legislation in the works?
Would be nice if the retort is in the form of some kind of positive reform such as repeal of the Useless Firearm Registration laws(massive waste of tax payers monies), Magazine capacity limits, or dare we say Shall Issue?
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This amends 134-10.5 to require if you have reasonable knowledge that your firearm could be accessible to children;
Ensures that the firearm is equipped with a firearms safety device, as defined in section 134—A; or
Heller vs. DC anyone? We need people to start spreading this word, point them to HDF / HRA, so we can get a public word out there and take this stuff down. I will not go down easily. In fact, it looks like I have some research on injunctions to do, because if we can't get lawyers to do this, I wont stand by and watch this go through without question.
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Are there any pro-firearm legislation in the works?
Would be nice if the retort is in the form of some kind of positive reform such as repeal of the Useless Firearm Registration laws(massive waste of tax payers monies), Magazine capacity limits, or dare we say Shall Issue?
Yes. HRA was going to try and get a bill introduced regarding the magazine limit, but some of the "friendly" legislators backed off because of the Tucon incident. There is also a limited liability bill related to firearms instructor, and I believe a couple of legislators were going to introduce concealed carry bill. Those are the ones I know of off the top of my head....
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Are there any pro-firearm legislation in the works?
Would be nice if the retort is in the form of some kind of positive reform such as repeal of the Useless Firearm Registration laws(massive waste of tax payers monies), Magazine capacity limits, or dare we say Shall Issue?
Yes. HRA was going to try and get a bill introduced regarding the magazine limit, but some of the "friendly" legislators backed off because of the Tucon incident. There is also a limited liability bill related to firearms instructor, and I believe a couple of legislators were going to introduce concealed carry bill. Those are the ones I know of off the top of my head....
Sweet! Lots of work to do this year! I will start working my letters tonight after work.
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Great. This guy should be OUT! anti 2A and pro "civil unions"
Blake Oshiro (born January 16, 1970) is an American politician, currently serving as Majority Leader in the Hawaii House of Representatives. He represents District 33, comprising the Honolulu neighborhoods of Aiea and Halawa. He was first elected to the seat in 2000, taking office the following January.
Oshiro came out as gay during the debate over Hawaii House Bill 444, which granted civil union rights to same-sex couples in Hawaii.[1] He subsequently faced a socially conservative primary challenger in his 2010 race for reelection, Honolulu City Councilman Gary Okino. Oshiro defeated Okino by 56 percent to 44%.[2] In the general election held on November 2, 2010, Oshiro was reelected over Republican opponent Sam Kong by a margin of 54.5% to 45.5%.[3]
Oshiro will be the only openly LGBT member of the Hawaii State Legislature when the new session convenes in 2011. Rep. Joe Bertram (D-Maui), the other LGBT member who served in the 2009-2011 session, was narrowly defeated for reelection by his 2008 Republican opponent George Fontaine.
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Going to be on Malia Zimmermans little TV show, about this issue tomorrow.
I can always use some backup =).
-- HiCarry, let me know if you intend to contact Barret.
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prohibit disclosure of the reason an applicant was denied a permit,
none of this makes any sense, but, this takes the cake. why would you not disclose the reason for a permit denial? they could just start denying permits to law abiding citizens and not give a reason why, which would put someone denied in a really shitty situation.
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That is the most disturbing part of this bill!
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Going to be on Malia Zimmermans little TV show, about this issue tomorrow.
I can always use some backup =).
-- HiCarry, let me know if you intend to contact Barret.
Hadn't thought of that....maybe he can write another letter....I'll add it to my "to do" list......Thanks
What kind of "back up" are you looking for? Is the program live? If so, where is the studio and/or what time is it scheduled?
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prohibit disclosure of the reason an applicant was denied a permit,
none of this makes any sense, but, this takes the cake. why would you not disclose the reason for a permit denial? they could just start denying permits to law abiding citizens and not give a reason why, which would put someone denied in a really shitty situation.
I'm bettin' that they'll say it is to protect the medical provider who might fear some retaliation from the applicant who was denied a permit. The problem, for us, is that the provision can be made to sound reasonable. If you look at it from the point of view of some psychologist or psychiatrist who feels someone is truely dangerous, you can understand why they might fear that person knowing who said what. HOWEVER, the issue becomes more grey when those providers can say someone is "adversely affected" and not provide any details to substiantiate such a statement. I have heard of folks denied permits for a history of bedwetting as a child and another for seeking grief counseling after the death of a spouse. That's why there needs to be an appeal process that requires the disclosure of the substantive reason for denial.
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Yeah --- so.. you sign and tell them "which doctor, and what facility" =p sadly, not buying the "I wouldn't know who denied me" side of it ;). <3 you HiCarry, time to shake em up.
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Great. This guy should be OUT! anti 2A and pro "civil unions"
Blake Oshiro (born January 16, 1970) is an American politician, currently serving as Majority Leader in the Hawaii House of Representatives. He represents District 33, comprising the Honolulu neighborhoods of Aiea and Halawa. He was first elected to the seat in 2000, taking office the following January.
Oshiro came out as gay during the debate over Hawaii House Bill 444, which granted civil union rights to same-sex couples in Hawaii.[1] He subsequently faced a socially conservative primary challenger in his 2010 race for reelection, Honolulu City Councilman Gary Okino. Oshiro defeated Okino by 56 percent to 44%.[2] In the general election held on November 2, 2010, Oshiro was reelected over Republican opponent Sam Kong by a margin of 54.5% to 45.5%.[3]
Oshiro will be the only openly LGBT member of the Hawaii State Legislature when the new session convenes in 2011. Rep. Joe Bertram (D-Maui), the other LGBT member who served in the 2009-2011 session, was narrowly defeated for reelection by his 2008 Republican opponent George Fontaine.
This is a 2A forum. Don't make the mistake of assuming that because everyone here shares opinions on one subject, we share them on others.
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Great. This guy should be OUT! anti 2A and pro "civil unions"
Blake Oshiro (born January 16, 1970) is an American politician, currently serving as Majority Leader in the Hawaii House of Representatives. He represents District 33, comprising the Honolulu neighborhoods of Aiea and Halawa. He was first elected to the seat in 2000, taking office the following January.
Oshiro came out as gay during the debate over Hawaii House Bill 444, which granted civil union rights to same-sex couples in Hawaii.[1] He subsequently faced a socially conservative primary challenger in his 2010 race for reelection, Honolulu City Councilman Gary Okino. Oshiro defeated Okino by 56 percent to 44%.[2] In the general election held on November 2, 2010, Oshiro was reelected over Republican opponent Sam Kong by a margin of 54.5% to 45.5%.[3]
Oshiro will be the only openly LGBT member of the Hawaii State Legislature when the new session convenes in 2011. Rep. Joe Bertram (D-Maui), the other LGBT member who served in the 2009-2011 session, was narrowly defeated for reelection by his 2008 Republican opponent George Fontaine.
This is a 2A forum. Don't make the mistake of assuming that because everyone here shares opinions on one subject, we share them on others.
I just thought we might have an ally - those in support of traditional marriage
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NRA/ILA
Out on the wire here now too
Easy to find your reps contact info.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6157 (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6157)
Let's stop this before it takes off.
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NRA/ILA
Out on the wire here now too
Easy to find your reps contact info.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6157 (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6157)
Let's stop this before it takes off.
That is a good idea....and I would encourage anyone who lives in the Aiea area (i.e. Rep. Oshio is your legislator) to call and let him know you do not support this bill and want him to kill it. He won by a very slim margin and may be more readily influenced by constituants concerns (i.e. voter in the next election cycle). Keep it civil and on point, but let him know how you feel. This same suggestion would apply to your legislators in general, but especially so if any of them are on the two committees (Judicary and Public Safety) scheduled to hear them.
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Someone please volunteer to compile the information into a one page handout - we will distribute it on facebook, the internet, gun shops, local stores, etc.
Make the flyer -- I will get the word out. Include highlights (like the NRA ila did) but most of the contact information for the "main people" ie: the ones on the next comittes and stuff.
I honestly, and have never really said this before, can't take on any more at this specific point. My plate is full. :wacko:
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I just thought we might have an ally - those in support of traditional marriage
That's a possibility. But by choosing such an ally, we then alienate the other half of the gun-owning populace. 2A is an American right, guaranteed to all. It's really best (IMHO) to focus our efforts on our efforts.
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so, didnt get time off to make it to the range today(Ukumehame). my buddy went, said they/someone passed out some handouts about this bill.
He said, nobody seemed to really care. He talked to a guy with a 50 bmg there, the guy didnt seem to be worried, said there's ways around that, something about a .499 cal bullet. (not sure if he was talking about the 416 barret) but, youd still have to swap barrels id imagine. (the guy just didnt seem to give a shit, according to my buddy)
nobody seemed to be concerned with the ammo/reg gun deal. :wtf:
I wasnt there, this is just what I was told by my buddy. take it for what its worth...
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Who else can I contact, write a letter to? I havent yet, but, Im strongly guessing my rep. Fontaine will not vote for this bill. so, if my rep. is on board, what else can I contribute?
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At least write Fontaine, to be sure =). You can go through the list of reps.. that you think could vote against.
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Who else can I contact, write a letter to? I havent yet, but, Im strongly guessing my rep. Fontaine will not vote for this bill. so, if my rep. is on board, what else can I contribute?
Write, or better yet, call, the members of the committees the bill will be head in. You don't have to be one of "their" constitutes to voice your concerns.
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so, didnt get time off to make it to the range today(Ukumehame). my buddy went, said they/someone passed out some handouts about this bill.
He said, nobody seemed to really care. He talked to a guy with a 50 bmg there, the guy didnt seem to be worried, said there's ways around that, something about a .499 cal bullet. (not sure if he was talking about the 416 barret) but, youd still have to swap barrels id imagine. (the guy just didnt seem to give a shit, according to my buddy)
nobody seemed to be concerned with the ammo/reg gun deal. :wtf:
Don't worry about it. Some folk's just don't show their concern like we do.
The main point is he/we get the message out there. Hopefully folks can understand that even though the law may not affect them directly, any new restrictive legislation that passes makes it that much easier for them to pass stricter control in the future.
Tell you bud, Thank you for the hard work. :thumbsup:
At least write Fontaine, to be sure =).
+1 on that! Even though they will probably vote for it, let them know that there are people out here that oppose this!
Here is a list of the members of the local House of Representatives, and a list of Senators.
House for 2011
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/members/house/housemembers.aspx (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/members/house/housemembers.aspx)
Senate for 2011
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/members/senate/senatemembers.aspx (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/members/senate/senatemembers.aspx)
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If they go ahead and ban .50BMG's, What about this?
Mag-Fed 20MM Rifle with Suppressor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NxHj1R04g#)
http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm (http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D