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Title: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: dirtylickins on September 19, 2014, 12:27:54 AM
IMPORTANT NOTICE read post #23&24 ...Some information on the October Hdf range day.  The subject matter is going to be shot guns. This is the first time that HDF is presenting this session.  Attendees will be limited in size. Equipment guidelines a shot gun either pump or semi only. It will need to hold 6 shells. (If it doesn't? A tube extender may be needed) you will also need a shell holder that holds 10 shells ie... belt/ side saddle/ bandolier/ pouch. Round count will be something like 100 00buck /100 slugs / 200 bird no larger 7  1/2  Its going to be a 6hour session so be prepared to work . That should get you started for now
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: macsak on September 19, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Ok just want to release some information on the October Hdf range day.  The subject matter is going to be shot guns. This is the first time that HDF is presenting this session.  Attendees will be limited in size. Equipment guidelines a shot gun either pump or semi only. It will need to hold 6 shells. (If it doesn't? A tube extender may be needed) you will also need a shell holder that holds 10 shells ie... belt/ side saddle/ bandolier/ pouch. Round count will be something like 100 00buck /100 slugs / 200 bird no larger 7  1/2  Its going to be a 6hour session so be prepared to work . That should get you started for now

some clarifications to DL's post:

the october range day will be a new one for the HDF
we are going to hold a shotgun class
due to the nature of the firearms system, and the fact that for almost every attendee will not be that familiar with running a shotgun in this manner, we are going to strictly limit the class size and the class will be longer
and, in turn, we will also be increasing the range fee for this session only
you will need a pump or semi shotgun that can hold 6 rounds or more (1 in chamber, at least 5 in tube/magazine)
no single shot or over/unders allowed
you must have the ability to carry 10 rounds on the firearm or on your person (side saddle, speedfeed, etc on firearm or belt/bandolier/pouch/etc on your body)
approximate round count is 30 slugs 20 rounds 00 buckshot, and 200 rounds birdshot (#7 or smaller)
long pants and covered shoes are REQUIRED
some people will be more comfortable wearing gloves of some type
slings are optional, not required

signups will be the standard 2nd saturday of the month 8 am

please ask any questions you have now so we can all be on the same page

have a great weekend, everyone
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Tom_G on September 19, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
Attendees will be limited in size.

What, little guys aren't allowed?  ;)
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Bota-CS1 on September 19, 2014, 10:48:49 AM
What, little guys aren't allowed?  ;)

It's like the opposite of those "You must be this tall to ride" signs at the fair Tom_G!  Can't wait for it to begin Dirty and Mac!
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: jonjon on September 19, 2014, 11:23:36 AM
What, little guys aren't allowed?  ;)


NO - toooooo bookoo not allowed  :rofl:

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Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Bota-CS1 on September 19, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
some clarifications to DL's post:

...and 200 rounds birdshot (#7 or smaller)...


Shot size #7 1/2 and smaller correct?  Same as the trap side at Kokohead?  Should we also bring our full assortment of chokes as well? 
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Bota-CS1 on September 19, 2014, 11:36:51 AM

NO - toooooo bookoo not allowed  :rofl:

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He was demonstrating the maximum width........heyyyoooo!
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: dirtylickins on September 19, 2014, 12:34:31 PM

Shot size #7 1/2 and smaller correct?  Same as the trap side at Kokohead?  Should we also bring our full assortment of chokes as well?
we will be doing patterning shooting 00 and buck so I would just to be safe.
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: macsak on September 19, 2014, 01:20:30 PM

Shot size #7 1/2 and smaller correct?  Same as the trap side at Kokohead?  Should we also bring our full assortment of chokes as well?

my feeling is that you should use one choke for everything and pattern it
you are not gonna change chokes in the middle of a home defense situation, right?
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: macsak on September 19, 2014, 01:29:40 PM

Shot size #7 1/2 and smaller correct?  Same as the trap side at Kokohead?  Should we also bring our full assortment of chokes as well?

7.5 is better
but the range staff said 7 is ok if you cannot get 7.5 or 8
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Bota-CS1 on September 19, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
my feeling is that you should use one choke for everything and pattern it
you are not gonna change chokes in the middle of a home defense situation, right?

Nope, just want to be prepared for whatever the instructors have in store... ;D 

Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: jaynick on September 19, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
finally! sign me up!
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: WTF?Shane on September 19, 2014, 05:33:53 PM
I'm ready!  ;D
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Jdelacruz on September 19, 2014, 05:43:03 PM
finally! sign me up!


signups will be the standard 2nd saturday of the month 8 am


I'm excited for this as well. Gotta start buying some slugs.
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: RDRKJK on September 19, 2014, 07:48:29 PM
Is it ok to bring a shotgun that holds 15 rounds?
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: fishandshoot on September 19, 2014, 07:48:54 PM
Would using a saiga12 for the course defeat the purpose and drills?
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: dirtylickins on September 19, 2014, 11:10:36 PM
Is it ok to bring a shotgun that holds 15 rounds?
yes you can..we just have a minimum of 6 in the tube requirement.
Would using a saiga12 for the course defeat the purpose and drills?
yes it does but if thats all you have then run it if you have to.
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Post by: Q on September 19, 2014, 11:15:10 PM
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Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Dolomite on September 20, 2014, 08:52:11 PM
When is the all steel day?
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Aiea78 on September 20, 2014, 09:53:01 PM
sound interesting if not a little bit painful haha!
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: edster48 on September 21, 2014, 06:51:05 AM
Would using a saiga12 for the course defeat the purpose and drills?

yes you can..we just have a minimum of 6 in the tube requirement.yes it does but if thats all you have then run it if you have to.

That's discrimination!

It's because they're black right? Racist.

You should find a way to make the drills more "inclusive", otherwise Saiga owners could suffer damage to their self esteem.

We must stop this war on weapons with detachable magazines, it's not fair!

I think I'll sue, for the sake of "the children".    :shake:
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: AmbuBadger on September 21, 2014, 08:43:53 AM
Damn, I want to do this so bad, but I got two things going against me... First, I gotta work medical at the UH game, so I can only stay until 1300 or so. Second, my car lease ends around that time, so I may not even have a car. Dammit, I have been dying to run my Mossy at one of these shoots!
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: Lee on September 21, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
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Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: dirtylickins on October 09, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
Its getting close everyone so to address another concern in regards to chokes.... ONLY CYLINDER CHOKES Will be used. No other chokes required. 
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: dirtylickins on October 09, 2014, 07:29:10 PM
Also very important to read post #1... You will not be able
To participate if you do not have the required equipment. Such as no shell holders, either belt or bandolier, side saddle or purpose built... no holding them in your pockets. No slings allowed.
IMPORTANT NOTE. .. ALL ATTENDEES MUST BE THERE TO CHECK IN AT 0730 SHARP !!! LATE people will be denied participation.
Title: Re: HDF RANGE DAY for October (next month)
Post by: jonjon on October 09, 2014, 09:55:13 PM
Its getting close everyone so to address another concern in regards to chokes.... ONLY CYLINDER CHOKES Will be used. No other chokes required.

What about the chicken choke? or the naked rear choke? :shaka:


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Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: jonjon on October 09, 2014, 09:57:26 PM
really wish I could make this shoot but gotta work this day   :(

Have fun guys  :shaka:
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: talula on October 09, 2014, 10:37:29 PM
really wish I could make this shoot but gotta work this day   :(

Have fun guys  :shaka:
Yup Jonjon shooting our calendar. The men of chub and dales.   I got June. Q got December. Speed is January got to start off the year with a bang. Dirty got October since he likes to play dress up. Mack stomper and hound got November only way they make weight requirement. Still taking applicants. :geekdanc:
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: Tom_G on October 09, 2014, 11:45:43 PM
.... ONLY CYLINDER CHOKES Will be used. No other chokes required. 

I've always had an issue with the term "cylinder choke."  A choke is a constriction of the barrel.  The so-called cylinder choke offers no constriction, so the term is a genuine oxymoron.  I realize that, at best, this is a D list item, but still, it bugs me. 

If it were up to me, chokes would be graded on a percentage scale.  0% would equal what is referred to as cylinder, and 100% would equal an obstructed bore.  Or we could do like baseball and inflate the scores by a factor of 10, going from 0 to 1000.  it would give a much more accurate representation of what the choke actually was.

Anyway, hope you all have a blast!!!
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Post by: Q on October 10, 2014, 12:51:46 AM
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Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: Jdelacruz on October 10, 2014, 04:44:57 AM
Also very important to read post #1... You will not be able
To participate if you do not have the required equipment.

Which round count requirement is correct?

Round count will be something like 100 00buck /100 slugs / 200 bird no larger 7  1/2 

approximate round count is 30 slugs 20 rounds 00 buckshot, and 200 rounds birdshot (#7 or smaller)
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: sworbeyegib on October 10, 2014, 08:56:38 AM
I would really like to do this. And I actually have all the ammo already.

How do I sign up?
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
Which round count requirement is correct?

approximate round count is 30 slugs 20 rounds 00 buckshot, and 200 rounds birdshot (#7 or smaller)
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: aieahound on October 10, 2014, 10:12:10 AM
Dammit.

I was gonna come just watch you guys you guys shoot.......
IRound count will be something like 100 00buck /100 slugs / 200 bird

After 200 rounds of 12 ga slug and 00 buck, I figured somebody might need a ride home due to a dislocated shoulder.   :wacko:

Can anyone say flinch.  :rofl:   JK

50 rounds plus bird is much more reasonable. ( for most people at least )
Have fun you guys. Sounds like a great day.
HDF stepping up. Keep up the good work.  :thumbsup:

P.S.

No open shoot ?
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2014, 10:25:14 AM
Dammit.

I was gonna come just watch you guys you guys shoot.......
After 200 rounds of 12 ga slug and 00 buck, I figured somebody might need a ride home due to a dislocated shoulder.   :wacko:

Can anyone say flinch.  :rofl:   JK

50 rounds plus bird is much more reasonable. ( for most people at least )
Have fun you guys. Sounds like a great day.
HDF stepping up. Keep up the good work.  :thumbsup:

P.S.

No open shoot ?

open shoot from 2-4 pm
class will be longer since this is new for everyone
round count is approximate
will likely be less, but we want people to have lots available
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: aldric11 on October 11, 2014, 08:01:00 AM
I would like to sign up and attend this class
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: macsak on October 11, 2014, 08:08:05 AM
I would like to sign up and attend this class

you were supposed to sign up on the new thread, but we will count you by your post time
mahalo
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: bass monkey on October 11, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
Cool might come down for the open shoot
Got some out of town friends that wanna hit the range
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: Aiea78 on October 20, 2014, 02:44:15 AM
oktoberfest all day event for me so will miss this one.  I will oogle what there is to oogle for you guys though :)
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: macsak on October 20, 2014, 08:18:56 AM
oktoberfest all day event for me so will miss this one.  I will oogle what there is to oogle for you guys though :)

NOTE TO ALL SHOTGUN CLASS PARTICIPANTS:
our instructor corps is recommending you cut your thumbnails on both hands to prevent breakage of nails while loading
they are also strongly recommending long sleeve shirts for prone shooting

mahalo
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: bass monkey on October 20, 2014, 09:41:55 PM
Is the open shoot available to everyone?
I got some friends in town that want to go shooting so I figure bring them out to this.
Is it same like last time, bring guns and ammo
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: macsak on October 20, 2014, 09:47:57 PM
Is the open shoot available to everyone?
I got some friends in town that want to go shooting so I figure bring them out to this.
Is it same like last time, bring guns and ammo

yes
same like the last time you were there
but this time it is from 2-4pm
Title: Re: HDF RANGE for October25 SHOT GUNS!!!
Post by: AmbuBadger on October 20, 2014, 10:41:08 PM
I'll be coming from the station that day, but I will be there for medical again. I'll have to bail in the early afternoon before the free shoot to work my other job, but I hope to be able to squeeze in and do some scattergun stuff with the rest of the gang!