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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: Bigkahuna808 on October 01, 2014, 04:24:56 PM
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Under quarantine at local hospital
http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/ (http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/)
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Under quarantine at local hospital
http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/ (http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/)
According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.
If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?
http://youtu.be/y9hqSOMrLRE (http://youtu.be/y9hqSOMrLRE)
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According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.
If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?
That's what they're saying. Just like AIDS, look how well that worked out.
I trust what the government tells me, because they've been doing SUCH a great job.
Right.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-victims-african-village-rise-4320414 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-victims-african-village-rise-4320414)
next is zombies. you guys ready?
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Not confirmed.
As the extra precautions are warranted such that we don't have a cure for it.
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Guys start oiling your guns and check your ammo just for the heck of it just to make sure, I mean hey if you don't use it you don't use it but if you need it, its there
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Not confirmed.
As the extra precautions are warranted such that we don't have a cure for it.
I got a cure. It's called a flame thrower!
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According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.
If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?
http://youtu.be/y9hqSOMrLRE (http://youtu.be/y9hqSOMrLRE)
simple. even fluids like saliva and sweat can transmit it. Ebola causes a lot of flu like symptoms so coughing and sneezing and vomiting can transmit it. while not truly airborne, if you're in close proximity, and an infected person coughs saliva on you, or vomits on you....well.
isolation is necessary.
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A person can use the blood dilute the blood in water and use it in the water system or spray it on someone or look at it this way all they gotta do is spray a little on your car door handle and your infected thats why they need to take precautions ebola is also a weapon very dangrouse, in that it dosn't care who you are it just doe's its job and kill. now we got this shit in Hawaii its like don't let the cat out of the bag because if they do all hell goina break loose very spooky more like nightmare scenario. Sometimes the government says the truth and sometimes they lie but hey hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Remember when postal workers was getting sick from anthrax well ebola just the same, makes you think and go out and buy some hand wipes and wipe down that shopping basket or shopping cart at the store, you don't know what you'll get.
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A person can use the blood dilute the blood in water and use it in the water system or spray it on someone or look at it this way all they gotta do is spray a little on your car door handle and your infected thats why they need to take precautions ebola is also a weapon very dangrouse, in that it dosn't care who you are it just doe's its job and kill. now we got this shit in Hawaii its like don't let the cat out of the bag because if they do all hell goina break loose very spooky more like nightmare scenario. Sometimes the government says the truth and sometimes they lie but hey hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Remember when postal workers was getting sick from anthrax well ebola just the same, makes you think and go out and buy some hand wipes and wipe down that shopping basket or shopping cart at the store, you don't know what you'll get.
news is reporting patient does not fit the profile of an ebola case
so they are not currently testing for ebola
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http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/ (http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/)
UPDATE: Hawaii Department of Health has ruled out Ebola in a Honolulu patient who was reported yesterday as a possible case. “After investigation by the health department, it was determined that the individual did not meet the clinical or travel exposure criteria for an Ebola infection,” said Health Director Dr. Linda Rosen
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I feel real comfortable knowing the government says its all good and no worry... if anything ill just call 911 and everything will be OK. ::)
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I feel real comfortable knowing the government says its all good and no worry... if anything ill just call 911 and everything will be OK. ::)
If you like your Ebola-free state, you can keep your Ebola-free state ....
PERIOD!
(http://i.imgur.com/E0c4kVt.jpg)
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According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.
If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?
http://youtu.be/y9hqSOMrLRE (http://youtu.be/y9hqSOMrLRE)
They are not HazMat suit, they are standard Tyvex PPE suits that are used in a variety of situations involving communicable diseases. And the use of such suits is far from the highest level of PPE used in caring for someone with a communicable disease. Use of the suit with goggles or a face shield constitutes a level C+ of protection. THe blue suits you see FD in are level A suits that have either self contained or piped in air supply.
As for why we put healthcare workers in this level of protection? The other "name" for Ebola is viral hemorrhagic fever....meaning the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids.
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They are not HazMat suit, they are standard Tyvex PPE suits that are used in a variety of situations involving communicable diseases. And the use of such suits is far from the highest level of PPE used in caring for someone with a communicable disease. Use of the suit with goggles or a face shield constitutes a level C+ of protection. THe blue suits you see FD in are level A suits that have either self contained or piped in air supply.
As for why we put healthcare workers in this level of protection? The other "name" for Ebola is viral hemorrhagic fever....meaning the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids.
You just described the exact conditions ( the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids) which contradict the CDC's platitudes that all is well! No need to panic! Even if someone near you is infected, they have to be "sick" (showing symptoms) to be contagious.
The patient in Texas was taken to the ER and subsequently released with some antibiotics even though he told the nurse he had just come from Liberia. He was in contact with people AND THINGS PEOPLE TOUCH for 4 more days. Even though the workers are quarantining people KNOWN to have been in contact with the man, there is no way to go over every single place he touched something that another may have touched right after him.
This is starting to turn into Mad Cow disease. No need to panic UNTIL AFTER you get it! Up until then, don't worry .... be happy! :wacko:
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A person can use the blood dilute the blood in water and use it in the water system or spray it on someone or look at it this way all they gotta do is spray a little on your car door handle and your infected thats why they need to take precautions ebola is also a weapon very dangrouse, in that it dosn't care who you are it just doe's its job and kill. now we got this shit in Hawaii its like don't let the cat out of the bag because if they do all hell goina break loose very spooky more like nightmare scenario. Sometimes the government says the truth and sometimes they lie but hey hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Remember when postal workers was getting sick from anthrax well ebola just the same, makes you think and go out and buy some hand wipes and wipe down that shopping basket or shopping cart at the store, you don't know what you'll get.
Very unlikely. Studies done a while ago show that fomite transmission of EBV, while possible is highly unlikely.
We conclude that EBOV is shed in a wide variety of bodily fluids during the acute period of illness but that the risk of transmission from fomites in an isolation ward and from convalescent patients is low when currently recommended infection control guidelines for the viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full)
As for the comparison of the anthrax attacks, the agent was a weaponized version of anthrax and that despite the respiratory transmission, only 5 people died and 17 fell ill. Respiratory transmission, like the flu, is a much, much easier way to infect someone, yet the death toll was fairly small as was the population that fell ill but survived. You are much, much, much more likely to get an coliform (E.Coli) infection from not wiping down a shopping cart than Ebola.....
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You just described the exact conditions ( the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids) which contradict the CDC's platitudes that all is well! No need to panic! Even if someone near you is infected, they have to be "sick" (showing symptoms) to be contagious.
The patient in Texas was taken to the ER and subsequently released with some antibiotics even though he told the nurse he had just come from Liberia. He was in contact with people AND THINGS PEOPLE TOUCH for 4 more days. Even though the workers are quarantining people KNOWN to have been in contact with the man, there is no way to go over every single place he touched something that another may have touched right after him.
This is starting to turn into Mad Cow disease. No need to panic UNTIL AFTER you get it! Up until then, don't worry .... be happy! :wacko:
You sound as if you have very little experience treating patients with communicable diseases. Similar precautions take place on a daily basis in hospitals across the nation and the world when caring for other infectious diseases. I have donned those same types of PPE for the last 30+ years taking care of patients who don't have Ebola. These precautions even have a name:universal blood and bodily fluid precautions.
My statements have not contradicted anything the CDC said. It is your ignorance that seems to drive you to conclusions that are not supported by the scientific facts. The CDC has not said "all is well" but rather that despite the hysteria generated by the media and vocal uninformed people, there is no cause for undue alarm. Is there a problem? Yep, just as if they were concerned about any other communicable disease. Rather, what they said is that we can control the spread thru standard precautions and standard public health efforts. Could more people get infected? Possibly.....will there be the same type of widespread death and illness here? No.
I find it somewhat ironic that most folks on this forum lament the sensationalist nature of the main stream media and how frequently they get facts wrong, rather on purpose or because of political ideology. Yet folks like yourself will unquestionably take for gospel what the MSM says about Ebola and buy into the hype intended to sell airtime and advertising.......
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They need the suits. There are many healthcare workers in Africa that are catching Ebola themselves, like the 2 US workers that traveled back home for treatment. I'm sure they used gloves and other protective uniforms but they still got it. So although it's far less contagious than an airborn disease, it's still contagious. What makes this worse than other diseases is the high mortality rate.
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They need the suits. There are many healthcare workers in Africa that are catching Ebola themselves, like the 2 US workers that traveled back home for treatment. I'm sure they used gloves and other protective uniforms but they still got it. So although it's far less contagious than an airborn disease, it's still contagious. What makes this worse than other diseases is the high mortality rate.
Many of the cases of healthcare workers contracting Ebola result from improper use of the PPE or exposure outside of their patient care activities.
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You sound as if you have very little experience treating patients with communicable diseases. Similar precautions take place on a daily basis in hospitals across the nation and the world when caring for other infectious diseases. I have donned those same types of PPE for the last 30+ years taking care of patients who don't have Ebola. These precautions even have a name:universal blood and bodily fluid precautions.
My statements have not contradicted anything the CDC said. It is your ignorance that seems to drive you to conclusions that are not supported by the scientific facts. The CDC has not said "all is well" but rather that despite the hysteria generated by the media and vocal uninformed people, there is no cause for undue alarm. Is there a problem? Yep, just as if they were concerned about any other communicable disease. Rather, what they said is that we can control the spread thru standard precautions and standard public health efforts. Could more people get infected? Possibly.....will there be the same type of widespread death and illness here? No.
I find it somewhat ironic that most folks on this forum lament the sensationalist nature of the main stream media and how frequently they get facts wrong, rather on purpose or because of political ideology. Yet folks like yourself will unquestionably take for gospel what the MSM says about Ebola and buy into the hype intended to sell airtime and advertising.......
It's not the sensationalized media that has done anything to me. It's the continual incompetence and misinformation put out by this government that tells me that no matter how nice the picture seems, the reality is always worse.
Obama promised they are doing everything necessary to keep Ebola out of the US. That was obviously not good enough.
Then we are told if Ebola ever did come to the US, we are prepared and have procedures in place to deal with it quickly and effectively. What happens? The ER sends the patient home.
Now the Hawaii "suspected" case is deemed to not be Ebola. Is it because he tested negative? No. It's because they say he hasn't traveled anywhere to pick it up. To me, that's not definitive enough to sound the all clear.
Humans are not infallible. Nobody is perfect. No plan or procedure is perfect. I don't care how professional and well trained and educated you think the CDC and other government and private health agencies are. It only takes a couple of lapses in procedure, or some malicious people, to bypass the safeguards to infect more people.
I've never had to personally care for infectious patients, but I fail to see how that matters? When the ER staff who I assume DO know about infectious diseases let a patient go home after he disclosed his trip from Liberia speaks volumes to my point.
That point being: no matter how hard we try to control our lives and environment, there are always gaps in our policies, plans, and procedures.
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People screw up 30 plus years dont mean anything if the guy next to you screw up and wind up getting you infected. We are human beings its nature to screw up. You can have the best knowledge about anything yet people screw up. We all make mistakes and your all knowing epidemic precautions don't mean anything if there's. A laps in judgment.
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Secrete Service suppose to be the best in the world, what happen screwed up not ounce bit twice, gee they probably had 30 plus years experience. human error exist best polices in the world still fails. One should stop living in a perfect world because Sh#t happens
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It's not the sensationalized media that has done anything to me. It's the continual incompetence and misinformation put out by this government that tells me that no matter how nice the picture seems, the reality is always worse.
Did you even watch the CDC new conference? They never said everything was perfect and that there was no reason to be worried, but rather that the situation was under control. Unfortunately you are letting emotion rather than logic and scientific fact rule your posting. Funny, that as "pro-gun" advocates we very frequently complain that the anti-gun camp uses wild claims about how bad things will be if gun laws are "loosened" and that those claims are bereft of any factual basis. Which, ironically, is exactly what you are doing now. Facts be damned, you "think" the situation is a crisis so therefore it must be, right?
Obama promised they are doing everything necessary to keep Ebola out of the US. That was obviously not good enough.
Then we are told if Ebola ever did come to the US, we are prepared and have procedures in place to deal with it quickly and effectively. What happens? The ER sends the patient home.
We are doing everything we can to keep all sorts of "things" out of the US. But, unless we lock up the boarders and restrict international travel, it is impossible to keep everything out. As for being prepared, we are. As you mention, humans are not infallible. A mistake was made in Texas and the Ebola victim was discharged. Will it be a significant public health problem? Probably not. Could it cause some more people to fall ill? Possibly, but both Hawaii and the rest of the US, in general, are prepared. As demonstrated by the situation at Queens, healthcare providers, using an abundance of caution, managed a patient who could have had Ebola. As it turned out, he didn't, but if he had, all the correct steps were taken.
Now the Hawaii "suspected" case is deemed to not be Ebola. Is it because he tested negative? No. It's because they say he hasn't traveled anywhere to pick it up. To me, that's not definitive enough to sound the all clear.
Once again, your ignorance on the subject of infectious diseases is evident. So, by your logic, when you go to the doctor you should receive diagnostic tests for gout even if the clinical picture clearly shows you don't have symptoms consistent with gout? Maybe a few x-rays even if you don't appear to have a fracture, or a CT scan of your head despite no history of trauma or possible intracranial mass.
Humans are not infallible. Nobody is perfect. No plan or procedure is perfect. I don't care how professional and well trained and educated you think the CDC and other government and private health agencies are. It only takes a couple of lapses in procedure, or some malicious people, to bypass the safeguards to infect more people.
So, sounds like we should ban guns because a few people may maliciously use them or that otherwise "good folks" may, due to human nature, make a few mistakes, right?
I've never had to personally care for infectious patients, but I fail to see how that matters? When the ER staff who I assume DO know about infectious diseases let a patient go home after he disclosed his trip from Liberia speaks volumes to my point.
It speaks volumes to your point that humans are not infallible....other than that, your assumptions and statements are mostly without merit.
That point being: no matter how hard we try to control our lives and environment, there are always gaps in our policies, plans, and procedures.
True. No plan is fool proof and to use an old military axiom, no plan survives first contact. But you and your unsupported claims of a "Contagion" type scenario arising out of a government cover-up or incompetence is laughable.
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Thanks for your insightful and professional analysis of what I think and how I feel. :sleeping:
You trust the "professionals", and I'll be cautious..
Are you getting information the rest of us are not? If not, then you are basically making a huge number of assumptions and turning them into fact. My assumptions are based on a track record of failures and coverups for the last 6 years.
That doesn't mean I'm ignoring any facts. It means I don't take what the media and CDC are feeding us at face value.
And your straw arguments (So, by your logic, when you go to the doctor you should receive diagnostic tests for gout) and (sounds like we should ban guns because a few people may maliciously use them or that otherwise...) are stupid and obviously meant to be insulting.
The Hawaii patient was admitted and isolated because the hospital staff had reason to suspect it could be the Ebola Virus, not gout.
And you know I'm not saying that we should punish or take away any rights of the healthcare workers and planners. I'm saying we should not put our full blind faith in ANY system that involves humans.
The human factor is quite often the source of many disasters. From AMTRAK train wrecks to Jet Blue plane crashes ... people screw up and more people die.
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Thanks for your insightful and professional analysis of what I think and how I feel. :sleeping:
You trust the "professionals", and I'll be cautious..
Are you getting information the rest of us are not? If not, then you are basically making a huge number of assumptions and turning them into fact. My assumptions are based on a track record of failures and coverups for the last 6 years.
That doesn't mean I'm ignoring any facts. It means I don't take what the media and CDC are feeding us at face value.
And your straw arguments (So, by your logic, when you go to the doctor you should receive diagnostic tests for gout) and (sounds like we should ban guns because a few people may maliciously use them or that otherwise...) are stupid and obviously meant to be insulting.
The Hawaii patient was admitted and isolated because the hospital staff had reason to suspect it could be the Ebola Virus, not gout.
And you know I'm not saying that we should punish or take away any rights of the healthcare workers and planners. I'm saying we should not put our full blind faith in ANY system that involves humans.
The human factor is quite often the source of many disasters. From AMTRAK train wrecks to Jet Blue plane crashes ... people screw up and more people die.
stick to IT, mauidoug
hicarry knows what he is talking about
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It's not the sensationalized media that has done anything to me. It's the continual incompetence and misinformation put out by this government that tells me that no matter how nice the picture seems, the reality is always worse.
Obama promised they are doing everything necessary to keep Ebola out of the US. That was obviously not good enough.
Then we are told if Ebola ever did come to the US, we are prepared and have procedures in place to deal with it quickly and effectively. What happens? The ER sends the patient home.
Now the Hawaii "suspected" case is deemed to not be Ebola. Is it because he tested negative? No. It's because they say he hasn't traveled anywhere to pick it up. To me, that's not definitive enough to sound the all clear.
Humans are not infallible. Nobody is perfect. No plan or procedure is perfect. I don't care how professional and well trained and educated you think the CDC and other government and private health agencies are. It only takes a couple of lapses in procedure, or some malicious people, to bypass the safeguards to infect more people.
I've never had to personally care for infectious patients, but I fail to see how that matters? When the ER staff who I assume DO know about infectious diseases let a patient go home after he disclosed his trip from Liberia speaks volumes to my point.
That point being: no matter how hard we try to control our lives and environment, there are always gaps in our policies, plans, and procedures.
you clearly dont understand any of what's going on.
you not having to treat infectious patients matters because you insinuated that people were donning full protective gear and that signaled it was more dangerous than the CDC was letting on. that's just blatant falsehood.
the facts are, that its just basic protection, and honestly not much more than you'd be working with in a university bio lad with much lesser dangers. and the fact is, it IS only transmitted through bodily fluids, but you seem to think that its hard to contact bodily fluids by mistake.
furthermore, you're acting like its crazy or excessive to put someone with an incurable, highly contagious and highly lethal virus in isolation just because the disease isnt airborne, and needs contact with bodily fluids. that's not crazy, its necessary precaution.
and if you cant undestand why travel history is enough to rule out a case, you really havent paid attention.
you dont just get Ebola randomly. its specific to certain geographic areas (maybe you should look up WHY its called Ebola), and if he wasnt in an infected zone, where do you think he's going to get it?
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you clearly dont understand any of what's going on.
you not having to treat infectious patients matters because you insinuated that people were donning full protective gear and that signaled it was more dangerous than the CDC was letting on. that's just blatant falsehood.
the facts are, that its just basic protection, and honestly not much more than you'd be working with in a university bio lad with much lesser dangers. and the fact is, it IS only transmitted through bodily fluids, but you seem to think that its hard to contact bodily fluids by mistake.
furthermore, you're acting like its crazy or excessive to put someone with an incurable, highly contagious and highly lethal virus in isolation just because the disease isnt airborne, and needs contact with bodily fluids. that's not crazy, its necessary precaution.
and if you cant undestand why travel history is enough to rule out a case, you really havent paid attention.
you dont just get Ebola randomly. its specific to certain geographic areas (maybe you should look up WHY its called Ebola), and if he wasnt in an infected zone, where do you think he's going to get it?
OK, I'm not trying to engage in an argument here, but, I do have some questions regarding this.
Since some among us seem to be in the medical profession, perhaps you can answer my questions.
Up to this point, the U.S. has been "Ebola Free". I think a lot of the concern is derived from the fact that the disease is now present in this country, due to the actions of people with "good" intentions getting themselves infected while trying to "help". I don't think I'm wrong in comparing this disease to AIDS as the transmission by bodily fluids is the same and both are viral infections.
Assuming the patient survives, would they not then become a "carrier" of the disease? They haven't been "cured", they have just developed antibodies to the virus correct?
Would these "carriers" not be able to unintentionally infect others? Isn't this how "outbreaks" occur in west Africa? I don't think it just magically floats around in the atmosphere, it keeps coming back due to infected people passing it on, right?
Now that we have allowed infected people to enter the country and they are living here, doesn't this mean we have to worry about an outbreak here? I'm not asking if the government is "prepared" for it, because that really doesn't matter. Once the disease has established a foothold, people will get infected, it's just a question when and how many. As with AIDS, we can only hope the spread of the disease can be controlled as it will never be eliminated.
Please spare me the "it was just a matter of time" arguments. Common sense would dictate that people entering or returning from this region be screened BEFORE being allowed into the country.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, like SAR and other viruses this virus has the ability to mutate and become airborne, correct?
I anxiously await the reasons why I needn't be concerned.
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The idiotic illogical political correct left is directly responsible to this. The don't give a flying f**ck about the people or those who may be infected by this or other disease. Also, commonsense precautions to stop the influx has been and is currently being ignored due to political correctness. JMHO
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Missouri Doctor: ‘It’s Just A Matter Of Time Before [Ebola] Is Carried To Every Corner Of The World’
For months, doctors in my community — since we had a meeting six weeks ago — have been convinced that the United States
will be importing clusters regularly. Right now, on the continent of West Africa, there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine,
because of Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It’s just a matter of time before this disease
is carried to every corner of the world.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/ (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/)
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So if this Ebola thing is originating in Africa couldn't we start by quarantining the people automatically that come back from trips there? For at least the 21 days? I realize this sounds bad but I'm figuring the good of the many out weigh the good of the few. Just a thought.
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Assuming the patient survives, would they not then become a "carrier" of the disease? They haven't been "cured", they have just developed antibodies to the virus correct?
Would these "carriers" not be able to unintentionally infect others? Isn't this how "outbreaks" occur in west Africa? I don't think it just magically floats around in the atmosphere, it keeps coming back due to infected people passing it on, right?
no, they are not carriers. its freely available knowledge that and infected person is only contagious when displaying symptoms, with a few exceptions (semen). this is why they've already released the previous survivors from hospitals (if you want to be technical, we've had Ebola "in America" for months as we've flown back a few of the infected for treatment).
this is why he wasnt contagious while on his flights.
but as stated, its been reported that they have found the virus present in semen for up to three months after recovery.
im pretty sure you shouldnt be worried about THAT one.
but the Ebola virus affects other primates, and you have to remember that people often eat bushmeat and or handle primates (ie, for export for research or zoos) and can even just have incidental contact with them in Africa. outbreaks dont necessarily start with a human case.
and its been hypothesized that fruit bats are unaffected carriers, so a bat bite, or infected meat could easily start an outbreak there.
but its not being passed on due to survivors. if it were, you can damn well bet there'd be way more outbreaks than what we've seen in the past. think of how many people have HIV in africa. that's what ebola would be if the disease were communicable after recovery.
Now that we have allowed infected people to enter the country and they are living here, doesn't this mean we have to worry about an outbreak here? I'm not asking if the government is "prepared" for it, because that really doesn't matter. Once the disease has established a foothold, people will get infected, it's just a question when and how many. As with AIDS, we can only hope the spread of the disease can be controlled as it will never be eliminated.
AIDS could be completely eliminated if people were properly educated and/or not stupid.
unfortunately, we cant turn back time and educate people.
but for this, yeah, they can easily keep it contained. hell, nigeria killed their potential outbreak really fast.
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So if this Ebola thing is originating in Africa couldn't we start by quarantining the people automatically that come back from trips there? For at least the 21 days? I realize this sounds bad but I'm figuring the good of the many out weigh the good of the few. Just a thought.
i find this post very ironic and disturbing from a board where people would severely oppose people messing with their gun rights due to assumptions of say...mental illness or violent tendencies.
its one thing to quarantine people who pose a risk, but they have to prove they pose a risk. and you cant prove it until they're symptomatic or the 21 days pass. personally, i cant see how anyone here could support this measure.
Missouri Doctor: ‘It’s Just A Matter Of Time Before [Ebola] Is Carried To Every Corner Of The World’
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/ (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/missouri-doctor-its-just-a-matter-of-time-before-ebola-is-carried-to-every-corner-of-the-world/)
that doctor is a nutcase, and his data is either hilariously wrong, or purposefully misleading.
i'd love to see him justify there being a million people in isolation, because there there's less than 15000 cases associated with the outbreaks. more than likely, he's refering to sierra leone quarantining districts, but that's a REALLY big difference from what he's suggesting. that's really purposefully misleading. those people arent quarantined because they all might have the disease. there arent a million people potentially infected.
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Thanks for your insightful and professional analysis of what I think and how I feel. :sleeping:
You trust the "professionals", and I'll be cautious..
I am the professional, you know, the guy who will have to transport and treat any Ebola patients that may eventually arrive here. So, to protect myself, and my loved ones, I have been reading everything about Ebola. If you think I'm going to unnecessarily risk my health, or that of my family, you're just plain wrong. The information I relay to others here is from that self education. Why? Because I tend to operate on facts...not baseless assumptions, not emotional arguments, not conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing talking heads, facts. Those facts are readily available for your review should you choose to undertake that endeavor and that you have at least enough healthcare and statistical analysis background to understand the more technical information out there. All I have tried to do is distill it for those that may not have that inclination or background.
Are you getting information the rest of us are not? If not, then you are basically making a huge number of assumptions and turning them into fact. My assumptions are based on a track record of failures and coverups for the last 6 years.
See above. And exactly what "failures and coverups" related to public health issues are you referring to?
That doesn't mean I'm ignoring any facts. It means I don't take what the media and CDC are feeding us at face value.
There is a ton of peer-reviewed literature out there on Ebola. Have you read any of it? I have.....and guess what? The CDC information and recommendations align very well with that wealth of peer-reviewed information.
And your straw arguments (So, by your logic, when you go to the doctor you should receive diagnostic tests for gout) and (sounds like we should ban guns because a few people may maliciously use them or that otherwise...) are stupid and obviously meant to be insulting.
Not straw arguments, analogies to your suggestions of doing unnecessary tests. And while a bit caustic, it wasn't meant to be insulting, rather illustrative of your faulty logic....which apparently was unsuccessful.
The Hawaii patient was admitted and isolated because the hospital staff had reason to suspect it could be the Ebola Virus, not gout.
Again, I believe the analogy escapes you....
And you know I'm not saying that we should punish or take away any rights of the healthcare workers and planners. I'm saying we should not put our full blind faith in ANY system that involves humans.
I'm not sure where you got that I suggested that you wanted to take away rights of healthcare workers. And, to be clear, I am not suggesting that you put your blind faith in anything. Just that you do some research before you start spouting off illogical suggestions based on false assumptions and a lack of understanding of the topic at hand. The fact that you somehow equate the use of PPE typically used in hospitals every single day of the year to treat other infectious diseases as some indication of the severity of, or the risk of transmission, of Ebola, just demonstrates your ignorance on the subject matter.
The human factor is quite often the source of many disasters. From AMTRAK train wrecks to Jet Blue plane crashes ... people screw up and more people die.
I agree. And, as the situation in Texas demonstrates, there will likely be more "mistakes" made by people. But that, in and of itself, does not mean that a single case slipping by will cause a pandemic of Hollywood proportions. It just isn't going to happen unless the Ebola virus mutates to a version that is transmitted via the air, like flu. But, until then, the advice of the CDC is correct and in alignment with current public health practices and world-wide experience and scientific knowledge.
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The CDC is telling there own workers to fear the ebola virus telling all their workers to fear the ebola virus, it kinda contradicts some peoples experiences of have no fear in this discussion
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The CDC is telling there own workers to fear the ebola virus telling all their workers to fear the ebola virus, it kinda contradicts some peoples experiences of have no fear in this discussion
First, it's "their" not "there".....
Second, please show me where the CDC told their "workers" to "fear" the Ebola virus 'cause I call BS. It IS telling everyone that they need to take the appropriate precautions (just as healthcare workers do every single day in caring for patients with communicable diseases with a similar transmission route) but that is far, far different from telling them to "fear" the virus.
Third, I challenge you to find anyone in this discussion thread who have said to have "no fear" of the Ebola virus.
You are making shit up now!
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here you go you got what you ask for their http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/health-science/frieden-we-are-looking-at-the-issue-of-entry-screening/2014/10/05/96bd966e-4cb5-11e4-877c-335b53ffe736_video.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/health-science/frieden-we-are-looking-at-the-issue-of-entry-screening/2014/10/05/96bd966e-4cb5-11e4-877c-335b53ffe736_video.html) look into 30 seconds of the video " we want the health care workers to have fear and channel the fear into etc etc etc the video dont lie does it. Sounds like your spreading the fear now I see everyone as vigilant. tsk tsk. as for your "FEAR" mauidog said to be cautious
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According to this CDC report, Ebola can transmit through direct contact with body fluids (saliva, mucous) from a cough or sneeze.
It can also survive on dry surfaces for several hours.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html?mobile=nocontent
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Because the natural reservoir host of Ebola viruses has not yet been identified, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers believe that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.
When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with
blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
objects (like needles and syringes) that have been contaminated with the virus
infected animals
Ebola is not spread through the air or by water, or in general, by food. However, in Africa, Ebola may be spread as a result of handling bushmeat (wild animals hunted for food) and contact with infected bats. There is no evidence that mosquitos or other insects can transmit Ebola virus. Only mammals (for example, humans, bats, monkeys, and apes) have shown the ability to become infected with and spread Ebola virus.
Healthcare providers caring for Ebola patients and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids of sick patients. I got this from the CDC website
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here you go you got what you ask for their http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/health-science/frieden-we-are-looking-at-the-issue-of-entry-screening/2014/10/05/96bd966e-4cb5-11e4-877c-335b53ffe736_video.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/health-science/frieden-we-are-looking-at-the-issue-of-entry-screening/2014/10/05/96bd966e-4cb5-11e4-877c-335b53ffe736_video.html) look into 30 seconds of the video " we want the health care workers to have fear and channel the fear into etc etc etc the video dont lie does it. Sounds like your spreading the fear now I see everyone as vigilant. tsk tsk. as for your "FEAR" mauidog said to be cautious
Very good, you actually did a little research. So, congratulations. That being said, I think the video clip of Dr. Frieden and his comment about "fear" is more of an admonishment to healthcare providers to be cautious rather than become complacent in maintaining strict infection control practices. In all the releases I have seen from the CDC aimed at informing healthcare providers, I have not seen any reference or statement that they want the HCP to "fear" the virus, but rather to be informed and be vigilant about infection control practices.
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You do a lot of thinking for other people thats the problem, I welcome your expertise on medical it's great that it helps the 2ahawaii community, but we all have opinions and disagreements in here. My first opinion is that Blood can be used as a weapon and the CDC from their web site said tainted blood should be avoided, so everyone be careful thats all hey if I offended Im sorry, the more information about ebola and more facts about ebola comes out the more informative everyone is. Everyone out there wipe down your shopping carts with wipes because enterovirus 68 is around the country, thats informative not scaring people.
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OK, I'm not trying to engage in an argument here, but, I do have some questions regarding this.
Since some among us seem to be in the medical profession, perhaps you can answer my questions.
Up to this point, the U.S. has been "Ebola Free". I think a lot of the concern is derived from the fact that the disease is now present in this country, due to the actions of people with "good" intentions getting themselves infected while trying to "help". I don't think I'm wrong in comparing this disease to AIDS as the transmission by bodily fluids is the same and both are viral infections.
As with AIDS/HIV, the transmission is via blood and bodily fluids and it is a virus. And, as with AIDS/HIV, in the beginning there was a lot of misplaced fear and anxiety from the public and the healthcare community. I was beginning my healthcare career about the time AIDS/HIV emerged, and I recall all sorts of efforts by various groups to take extreme measures to isolate and halt the spread. And, because the disease initially appeared to affect the gay community it was very easy to marginalize those affected and suggest mass quarantine and forced detention. I see a lot of the same types of uninformed, or partially informed folks calling for courses of actions that are not scientifically sound, such as "testing" for everyone despite the clinical picture.
Assuming the patient survives, would they not then become a "carrier" of the disease? They haven't been "cured", they have just developed antibodies to the virus correct?
Not a carrier per se, but the virus can be found in various bodily fluids for several months after recovery. Once a certain period of time has passed, the virus cannot be detected in bodily fluids. And, just because the virus is detectable in those bodily fluids, it does not necessarily mean that contact with them will cause the disease. It may, and as such the recommendations are to treat bodily fluids as infectious. It is a common practice to put those who have recovered from a viral illness in a care provider position as they are "immune" from re-infection.
Would these "carriers" not be able to unintentionally infect others? Isn't this how "outbreaks" occur in west Africa? I don't think it just magically floats around in the atmosphere, it keeps coming back due to infected people passing it on, right?
After a certain period of time there is no detectable virus in body fluids. In the interim between being acutely ill and having no detectable viral load, a person may be able to infect others. But, at least with Ebola, this seems to be more theoretical than a major source of new infections. That being said, the recommendations are still to avoid bodily fluids of "recovered" victims.
Now that we have allowed infected people to enter the country and they are living here, doesn't this mean we have to worry about an outbreak here? I'm not asking if the government is "prepared" for it, because that really doesn't matter. Once the disease has established a foothold, people will get infected, it's just a question when and how many. As with AIDS, we can only hope the spread of the disease can be controlled as it will never be eliminated.
It was inevitable that it emerged here. Even if we were to restrict entry to the US by people flying from the affected countries, what if they went to some intermediate country before flying in? What, if like the Texas patient, they lie about their exposure? If we restrict any individual from the affected countries, they have forged papers? Could we have an outbreak here? Sure. Is it a concern? Most definitely. Will it spread like the movie contagion? No.
Please spare me the "it was just a matter of time" arguments. Common sense would dictate that people entering or returning from this region be screened BEFORE being allowed into the country.
Sorry, but it was "just a matter of time" as I attempted to explain above. You ban travel directly from a country, individuals will go through another country before arriving here. Base it on nationality and non-citizens who have been in the affected countries will get in or citizens of the affected countries will get false travel documents or enter the US illegally. Base restrictions on attestations and folks will lie.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, like SAR and other viruses this virus has the ability to mutate and become airborne, correct?
All viruses can mutate, that's why they have to formulate a new "flu" vaccine each year. The mutations associated with SARS and H1N1 were not about "becoming airborne" but rather changing to infect another species, humans. And the CDC did address the issue of Ebola mutating to become airborne transmissible. It said it was very unlikely....
I anxiously await the reasons why I needn't be concerned.
No one is telling you, nor the public to not be concerned. But rather be informed and make decisions based on fact not unfounded fear and hysteria.
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You do a lot of thinking for other people thats the problem, I welcome your expertise on medical it's great that it helps the 2ahawaii community, but we all have opinions and disagreements in here. My first opinion is that Blood can be used as a weapon and the CDC from their web site said tainted blood should be avoided, so everyone be careful thats all hey if I offended Im sorry, the more information about ebola and more facts about ebola comes out the more informative everyone is. Everyone out there wipe down your shopping carts with wipes because enterovirus 68 is around the country, thats informative not scaring people.
I think for no one, and if you even think that's possible, you have a serious problem that extends far beyond this discussion. The problem is that folks like yourself, with little to no knowledge on subjects, will interject your "opinion" as if it were fact. I tend to challenge such misinformation, be it in my field of expertise or in cases where I have personally researched the situation and know the facts. If you don't like being challenged about what you say, I suggest you research and become more knowledgeable before making inaccurate and misleading statements.
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I get my facts from CDC while you slide by with old Knowledge that hasn't been updated yet, but you know that and yet you contradict everything the CDC says wow really and people will listen to you over CDC wow amazing your a wealth of knowledge higher then the CDC the greatest ever, the more you say the more you discredit yourself. and about this AIDS AND HIV once again I have to correct you HIV is a virus and AIDS is a disease everyone following this thread look it up for yourself facts is facts ZZZZ your more discredited now
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I am also very cautious with what CDC says publicly, then quietly updates their website with new info that makes people even more on edge
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I get my facts from CDC while you slide by with old Knowledge that hasn't been updated yet, but you know that and yet you contradict everything the CDC says wow really and people will listen to you over CDC wow amazing your a wealth of knowledge higher then the CDC the greatest ever, the more you say the more you discredit yourself. and about this AIDS AND HIV once again I have to correct you HIV is a virus and AIDS is a disease everyone following this thread look it up for yourself facts is facts ZZZZ your more discredited now
While I commend you on your efforts to educate yourself, I never suggested that folks look to me rather than the CDC nor do I believe you have demonstrated any evidence that anything I presented was "old knowledge" or contradicted "everything the CDC says..." That's a rather sensationalist view point. If you're referencing the 'CDC is telling it's own staff to fear the virus..' statement as proof, I will again suggest that the statement was not to tell healthcare providers to "fear" the virus, but rather that they understood some do, and that being fearful was a perfectly natural response. Furthermore, they suggested that they "channel" that fear into more productive activities, such as being extra vigilant in maintaining infection control procedures.
As for the HIV/AIDS thing, yes, you are technically correct. HIV is the name of the virus responsible for AIDS. But, in my defense, it is commonly referred to as HIV/AIDS in both consumer and professional publications, so if that is your evidence of "discrediting" myself, well...congratulations.
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I think for no one, and if you even think that's possible, you have a serious problem that extends far beyond this discussion. The problem is that folks like yourself, with little to no knowledge on subjects, will interject your "opinion" as if it were fact. I tend to challenge such misinformation, be it in my field of expertise or in cases where I have personally researched the situation and know the facts. If you don't like being challenged about what you say, I suggest you research and become more knowledgeable before making inaccurate and misleading statements.
little or no Knowledge and here you are can't even get a simple virus or disease right how pathetic could you be 30 plus what years and you can't get something so simple your facts are just wrong basically making you wrong. so much for misinformation your the one putting out misinformation I put the fact someone either makes it up or don't know something so simple you going to have to fact check you'r writing or do you want me to do it, I can be your high school teacher and fact check it for you if you want me? Right now you just trying to save face with what you got left in this thread LOL
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little or no Knowledge and here you are can't even get a simple virus or disease right how pathetic could you be 30 plus what years and you can't get something so simple your facts are just wrong basically making you wrong. so much for misinformation your the one putting out misinformation I put the fact someone either makes it up or don't know something so simple you going to have to fact check you'r writing or do you want me to do it, I can be your high school teacher and fact check it for you if you want me? Right now you just trying to save face with what you got left in this thread LOL
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I think for no one, and if you even think that's possible, you have a serious problem that extends far beyond this discussion. The problem is that folks like yourself, with little to no knowledge on subjects, will interject your "opinion" as if it were fact. I tend to challenge such misinformation, be it in my field of expertise or in cases where I have personally researched the situation and know the facts. If you don't like being challenged about what you say, I suggest you research and become more knowledgeable before making inaccurate and misleading statements.
little or no Knowledge and here you are can't even get a simple virus or disease right how pathetic could you be 30 plus what years and you can't get something so simple your facts are just wrong basically making you wrong. so much for misinformation your the one putting out misinformation I put the fact someone either makes it up or don't know something so simple you going to have to fact check you'r writing or do you want me to do it, I can be your high school teacher and fact check it for you if you want me? Right now you just trying to save face with what you got left in this thread LOL
People screw up 30 plus years dont mean anything if the guy next to you screw up and wind up getting you infected. We are human beings its nature to screw up. You can have the best knowledge about anything yet people screw up. We all make mistakes and your all knowing epidemic precautions don't mean anything if there's. A laps in judgment.
Secrete Service suppose to be the best in the world, what happen screwed up not ounce bit twice, gee they probably had 30 plus years experience. human error exist best polices in the world still fails. One should stop living in a perfect world because Sh#t happens
Say that again?
Please don't be a high school teacher.
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OK i broke the rules I'm not suppose to do that in here I'm sorry for that
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:wacko: is right
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Say that again?
Please don't be a high school teacher.
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I thought you guys would see it by now, this post has nothing to do with guns and yet 2ahawaii didn't move it off topic yet LOL :D