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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: dogman on October 07, 2014, 06:57:12 PM
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Okay korupt here you go :) . . . Everyone here has the same opportunity to purchase ammo. Sometimes being in the right place at the right time helps. I think if you can afford it and safely store it, buy all you want. The last time I was at OGC it sure didn't look like there was an ammo shortage. I don't think we have a problem here with ammo scalpers.
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Accumulating is when you can't walk through your gun room.
Hoarding is when you can't see your tv any more.
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well I agree with mauidog you can buy all the bullets because you have the right but then hey leave some for the next guy because I was thinking about the .22 shortage and sports authority was selling .22 guns but no bullets and the sales man said they were out for months
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Accumulating is when you can't walk through your gun room.
Hoarding is when you can't see your tv any more.
Okay, so I'm not hoarding. I can't reach my TV but I can still see it.
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well I agree with mauidog you can buy all the bullets because you have the right but then hey leave some for the next guy because I was thinking about the .22 shortage and sports authority was selling .22 guns but no bullets and the sales man said they were out for months
What .22 shortage? SEC had a good deal on .22 at the gun show and I'm sure they still have at their store, OGC just got a couple of bricks of Rem Viper in today, and I wouldn't be surprised if both X-Ring & Young Guns also has .22.
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Thanks for the tip MUSUBI I'll go and buy some tomorrow or maybe hoard it LOL
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well I agree with mauidog you can buy all the bullets because you have the right but then hey leave some for the next guy because I was thinking about the .22 shortage and sports authority was selling .22 guns but no bullets and the sales man said they were out for months
Why do you believe my buying ammo means you cannot? If it's a cash flow issue, then you won't be buying either way (EBT not accepted for ammo!). :rofl:
Do you only buy what you will shoot in one or two range visits? I buy most ammo in bulk to save money, normally 500 - 1,000 rounds. When it's on sale or "just arrived" after a long time being out-of -stock for awhile, I pick some up.
Timing is important! If I wait to buy later, it may be sold out again, or it might not be on sale and cost more. it could also be much cheaper, but that's the risk I take.
I never get more than 3,000 rounds of .22LR. Most of what I have was purchased at OGC on "Pre-Order." I usually ask one or two of my friends if they want me to pick some up for them, too.
Now that I have stockpiled some, I'm not buying as often. When I shoot a couple of bricks, I replace them as soon as I can which might be a month or two. That way, I'm unlikely to be without.
When I go to the range, I usually go with others, and I supply all the rifle and shotgun ammo plus most of the pistol.
I kept some of this ammo longer than i expected to, partially from the range closures and partially due to family emergencies on the mainland. But, at least I'm not stressing, wondering when .22 will be in stock next.
Today OGC tweeted out they had bricks of .22LR VIPER ammo. Did you get any of that?
I didn't call or go to OGC today. So, if you still don't have .22 ammo, you'll have to find someone else to blame besides me!!
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No I'm not blaming you Mauidog just wanna know what is a hoarder and excessive and what is normal supply of ammo. you sound like you have a normal supply that your comfortable with that's what I wanna know whats a normal supply? Oh wow I am now a jr member, I graduated to being a turd, I got along way to go where you guys are at
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No I'm not blaming you Mauidog just wanna know what is a hoarder and excessive and what is normal supply of ammo. you sound like you have a normal supply that your comfortable with that's what I wanna know whats a normal supply?
well I agree with mauidog you can buy all the bullets because you have the right but then hey leave some for the next guy because I was thinking about the .22 shortage and sports authority was selling .22 guns but no bullets and the sales man said they were out for months
Looks like you might be contradicting yourself.
Normal is relative.
Some people only buy a box of 50 every year and keep forgetting to go shoot it.
Some buy 3,000 rifle rounds they put aside hoping to go to a Magpul training class on the Big Island if it ever happens.
Some reload hundreds of rounds every month for competition practice and matches. Those folks don't have the same impact on factory ammo supplies, but they could have a large stash at home after a weekend of non-stop-reloading.
Not everyone buys the same calibers. I might have 9MM, .45ACP, and .22LR. Others might shoot 10MM, .380Auto, .22WMR, .357Mag, .40S&W, .44Mag, 5.7x28, etc. There are enough calibers you will find some in stock while others are out.
I know some have favorite guns and cycle through that caliber, but never seem to use the case/s they bought for the other guns.
If you're looking for "normal," a gun forum might not be the best population for a statistical sample! ???
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well I agree with mauidog you can buy all the bullets because you have the right but then hey leave some for the next guy because I was thinking about the .22 shortage and sports authority was selling .22 guns but no bullets and the sales man said they were out for months
mauidog did leave some for the next guy, it's not his fault you were not the next guy. At the gun show I bought, along with many others patrons, 1625 rounds of Federal "Target Grade" 22LR from SEC (five boxes of 325 in an ammo can) for 99 bucks. They had a stack of them when I left. If they sold out, I doubt it, you can't blame anyone because you didn't get any. In the unlikely event they did sell out, PM me and I'll sell you a couple of boxes for what I paid.
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Unless I'm experimenting, I buy by the case, never less. Usually I'll buy multiple cases, but that usually means four or fewer. If I ever ended up in the news, antis would call me a hoarder, while you guys would say "Eh, not a bad beginning." To me, the "time to buy" gauge is when I have under 1,000 rounds of a caliber, and the "plenty for now" gauge is 3,000 or more.
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Dogman thats where I'm at right now buy it all or leave some for the next guy, what is too much what is normal supply
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Dogman thats where I'm at right now buy it all or leave some for the next guy, what is too much what is normal supply
Last month, I went to the range on Saturday for practice and Sunday for a pistol match.
I went through 100rds .45ACP and 400rds 9mm. That's 500 rounds in 2 days.
So, I guess 500 rounds was "enough", and 501 would have been "too much!"
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I try to keep at least 3 months of normal range time on hand, I don't compete in any of the clubs so I don't go through that many rounds.
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Dogman thats where I'm at right now buy it all or leave some for the next guy, what is too much what is normal supply
The limiting factor for me, as well as others I'm sure, is finances and storage capacity. I buy ammo when I can afford it as long as I can safely and securely store it. If I made more money and had a bigger place, I'd probably have more ammo (and guns). My "normal supply" is whatever I can afford and store.
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with everyone's information so far it sounds like there is not one answer to this, it's bigger then I thought it would be :-\
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with everyone's information so far it sounds like there is not one answer to this, it's bigger then I thought it would be :-\
Now you got it! :thumbsup: :shaka:
Congrats on becoming a Jr. member! :shaka:
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https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=16681.0
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Precision Arms Hawaii federal 556 for 35 cents a round, that won't last long, Do they have an internet site?
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I emailed their link but no response yet.
They are in the vendors section of this forum.
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hey Dogmen why is it in the vendor section I see every gun shop but Kaneohe GS?
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hey Dogmen why is it in the vendor section I see every gun shop but Kaneohe GS?
Young Guns is missing from the list as well.
Vendor's prerogative...
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Mauidog mine as well watch the blood moon since your up this late
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Mauidog mine as well watch the blood moon since your up this late
Late? It's not late as long as I can still focus my eyes on the computer screen!
I can see the moon directly overhead through the skylight in my bedroom. Almost totally eclipsed at the moment! :thumbsup:
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The key is look for sales, follow Twitter and Facebook. YG had a sale on 22 CCI Blazer for about $50 for 1,000. They extended the sale as it didn't sell out right away.
I've seen 5.56 at OGC for 34 cents a round. Multiple pistol calibers have been on sale too.
Supply is out there and prices seem to be coming down some, just have to look.
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soemthing to explain everything
(https://courses.byui.edu/econ_150/econ_150_old_site/images/3-3%20Equilbrium_08.jpg)
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Anything more than a box of ammo per gun according to liberals that is 1 box too
Many
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Hey Speedtek How's that training center coming along, and how much people can you fit in the training center? I was wondering if you can reserve a luxury suite for me, Sofa big screen TV video games vending machine that has only junk food
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What training center?
Its a Jedi Mind Trick
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mauidog did leave some for the next guy, it's not his fault you were not the next guy. At the gun show I bought, along with many others patrons, 1625 rounds of Federal "Target Grade" 22LR from SEC (five boxes of 325 in an ammo can) for 99 bucks. They had a stack of them when I left. If they sold out, I doubt it, you can't blame anyone because you didn't get any. In the unlikely event they did sell out, PM me and I'll sell you a couple of boxes for what I paid.
Last year at the GS, our household (4) bought 10 of these cans (16,250 rounds) @ $110.00 a can in 2 days.
That's $100 more than if I would have purchased last weekend. :(
So much for ammo shortages/scalping.
We did'nt even have a .22 at that time, but I wanted to be sure we had ammo before we purchased .22 Glock conversions.
We haven't bought. .22 since since we've "accumulated" and we've shot about 4,000 so we're not hoarding. :rofl:
Tho I do agree with Tom... :wave:
Unless I'm experimenting, I buy by the case, never less. Usually I'll buy multiple cases, but that usually means four or fewer. If I ever ended up in the news, antis would call me a hoarder, while you guys would say "Eh, not a bad beginning." To me, the "time to buy" gauge is when I have under 1,000 rounds of a caliber, and the "plenty for now" gauge is 3,000 or more.
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I can never have enough 22lr. up until recently, I was shooting 500-1000 rounds of 22 a week.
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Last year at the GS, our household (4) bought 10 of these cans (16,250 rounds) @ $110.00 a can in 2 days.
That's $100 more than if I would have purchased last weekend. :(
I still have a case of 5.56 I paid $550 for last year, and they sold out in a couple of days back then.
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I still have a case of 5.56 I paid $550 for last year, and they sold out in a couple of days back then.
Try to look at it like life insurance. You paid a premium for the peace of mind knowing you have ammo set aside should another panic hit.
And, just like life insurance premiums, that's all money under the bridge...
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Try to look at it like life insurance. You paid a premium for the peace of mind knowing you have ammo set aside should another panic hit.
And, just like life insurance premiums, that's all money under the bridge...
Yeah, I actually forgo life insurance so i can buy more ammo :thumbsup:
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To those bemoaning prices when you purchased, I say "get over it!" Look, in my eyes, I buy what I need, and I buy it when I need it. My finances, and my storage space, are both relatively fixed. If someone were to offer .45 ACP at $0.01/round, I still couldn't buy more than a few thousand rounds because I have no where to store it. The price when I decide to buy is the price when I decide to buy, and I refuse to lament that decision tomorrow. Whether I 'should' have bought more because it was a bargain, or 'should' have bought less because it was overpriced, I bought what I could when I needed it. Do I have ammo? Only if the answer is 'no' will I indulge in self-recrimination. And it has been a very long time since I've had to indulge in self-recrimination.
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I was not bemoaning the price I paid last year at all. ::)
I thru that in there to show how ammo prices have DECREASED. :o
We had .22 all year and the money we saved practicing with our conversions saved us way more than 4,000 rnds of 9mm, about $810.00 or 3,000 rnds of 9mm. :geekdanc:
My ammo "accumulation" has increased in value over the years so I consider it an "investment" as opposed to "Life Insurance"
I use the ammo waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than "Life Insurance"
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Usually I'll buy multiple cases, but that usually means four or fewer. If I ever ended up in the news, antis would call me a hoarder, while you guys would say "Eh, not a bad beginning." To me, the "time to buy" gauge is when I have under 1,000 rounds of a caliber, and the "plenty for now" gauge is 3,000 or more.
I think Tom G hit it on the head. :thumbsup:
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For me it depends on the gun(s) and caliber. Some of my rifles are quite expensive to reload for. So I only keep 100 rnds or so available for shooting. I bring multiple guns to shoot when I go. For the more common calibers I will keep between 5 and 10 shooting sessions worth of rifle ammo. For pistol calibers I shoot a lot more per session than rifle. So I keep between 10 and 15 shooting sessions worth. But .22 I shoot a lot of so I keep approximately 30 shooting sessions on hand. And I buy when I find a sale or good deal. Even if that price is higher than what it used to be. With that said I am low on CCI Standard Velocity 22. I have a favorite gun that I like to shoot this ammo in. So I buy it when I can find it no matter the price.
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if its stored nicely, and properly in ammo cans or otherwise airtight, it is called buying and storing ammo
when its all over the floor and on shelves, and in the closet, and you might trip on it, then its hoarding.
i have at least 1000 per caliber.
SHTF, and bug out guns have more than that per caliber. all stored in ammo cans. :geekdanc:
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OGC will have .22LR ammo in about 30 days:
REM HV GOLDEN BULLET ALREADY INCOMING $450/5000
Right now, pre-orders for full case taken.
I put my order in early this morning! :thumbsup:
Now, to see how much of my current .22 stash I can expend in 30 days! :rofl:
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Where's korupt?
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Where's korupt?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Kurupt_Young_Gotti_in_Abu_Dhabi.jpg)
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I think I'm too old to understand that. :(
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Try to look at it like life insurance. You paid a premium for the peace of mind knowing you have ammo set aside should another panic hit.
And, just like life insurance premiums, that's all money under the bridge...
But seriously, when I bought ammo as the price was dropping, I knew it could be $50 less the next week or it could become non existent for the rest of the year. Well the price dropped and I don't regret my decision because yes I have ammo and the price I paid is now "under the bridge". :)
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But seriously, when I bought ammo as the price was dropping, I knew it could be $50 less the next week or it could become non existent for the rest of the year. Well the price dropped and I don't regret my decision because yes I have ammo and the price I paid is now "under the bridge". :)
Ever hear of the dollar-cost-average method of buying stock? The same for ammo.
If you buy 4 cases of the same ammo over the course of a year, and the price drops $50/case each time, and you paid $450 for the first case, then you'd have spent:
$450 + $400 + $350 + $300 = $1,500
Average cost per case = $1,500 / 4 = $375
Moral of the story: If you are going to use the ammo eventually, buy more whenever you find if for less than you previously paid. It helps lower the average cost of all your ammo!
>:D
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I think I'm too old to understand that. :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurupt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurupt)
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Sorry I couldn't keep up with the string guys, I preparing to fly out to Hilo and help a close family member move his belongings the Lava is getting close and I don't know when I'll be back or if he has internet in his area, PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST
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i say if you cant use up all the ammo you bought after a year and you keep buying more you hoarding. i know a couple people who has 10k of 22lr when it was in shortage. i know it was a hot but damn leave some for others to play too
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i say if you cant use up all the ammo you bought after a year and you keep buying more you hoarding. i know a couple people who has 10k of 22lr when it was in shortage. i know it was a hot but damn leave some for others to play too
No matter how much you or I leave on the shelf for "the next guy," there are never enough boxes for all the "next guys" before more ammo arrives.
There has been a huge uptick in firearms purchases the last 3 years. There has also been a huge increase in ammo prices the last 2 years.
Add that together, and the demand for .22 ammo (more shooters wanting to find the cheapest caliber for practice), and there is going to be much more demand, and obviously the suppliers have not been able to keep ahead of it.
It's also a fact most people shooting .22 will go through much more ammo in the same amount of time as 9MM, .45, .40, .223/5.56, etc, due to (1) price, (2) less physically demanding to shoot for long sessions, and (3) most people have more .22 to take to the range because people tend to buy .22 in larger amounts since we can afford to.
$300 for 6 bricks of .22 = 3,000 rds
$300 for 9mm @ $0.25/rd = 1,200 rds
$300 for .45 @ $0.50/rd = 600rds
Yeah, most people buy more .22 and shoot more .22 than other calibers if they like to shoot those .22 guns. That's obviously not 100% of shooters, but I think it does represent a majority.
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let me guess you those guys who buy out all the water when a hurricane is about to hit.
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let me guess you those guys who buy out all the water when a hurricane is about to hit.
Let me guess. You haven't figured out that living on an island means you can't always find everything you need in stock when you really, really need it, especially when so many people wait until the last minute to stock up on things like water?
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yeah water is life or death. ammo is not. hoarding thousands of rounds when u know you aint going use it all within a decent amount of time is uncool especially rounds that are in shortage. the guys i know who have 10k rounds of 22lr will have to shoot 100 rounds a day on sat and sun for 1 year of constant shooting. now if you do that much than fine but if you only shoot like 1000 for the year let other have a share of that 9000. be nice to your fellow shooters :shaka:
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let me guess you those guys who buy out all the water when a hurricane is about to hit.
Nope not me, unless you live in a high condo or appartment building. Got Clorox, filters & just fill up the 55 gallon plastic drums all gggg. Depends where you live if you really need to worry about water not flowing.
After the two hurricanes water wasn't really impacted.
Where I live in town, crazies were buying water and TP. Next valley over bros where buying ice and liquor... Lol My kinda people....
Gotta laugh when people don't got common sense or surivial skills.
But admit I'm a gun & ammo nut when deals presents itself.
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so if you have $20,000 in the bank, thats hoarding money?
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i say if you cant use up all the ammo you bought after a year and you keep buying more you hoarding. i know a couple people who has 10k of 22lr when it was in shortage. i know it was a hot but damn leave some for others to play too
10k rounds of 22LR, that's all? ;)
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Sorry Stang I'm so dysfunctional wish I had money to hoard.
Live by bullets and burgers in that order. Lol
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You guys should take economics - it was the most influential class I've taken in college.
This is a free market
This is not Russia.
This is not China
This is "Merica!
I have the freedom to buy as much ammo as I can afford. Supply and demand are the forces that drive this market.
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Yup, agree greedy people out there making $$$. @ almost 10 cents a round for 22LR rather reload and shoot cast bullets. Little more expensive but bigger bang for the buck.
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yeah water is life or death. ammo is not. hoarding thousands of rounds when u know you aint going use it all within a decent amount of time is uncool especially rounds that are in shortage. the guys i know who have 10k rounds of 22lr will have to shoot 100 rounds a day on sat and sun for 1 year of constant shooting. now if you do that much than fine but if you only shoot like 1000 for the year let other have a share of that 9000. be nice to your fellow shooters :shaka:
Water is needed for survival. So if you have to have water to live, who are you going to depend on? Costco? The Water Department? The Red Cross?
Here's a novel idea. How about yourself?!
I already had more than a dozen cases of water before the week of the hurricane warnings. I also had a month of dried food for the household for after the fridge and cabinets run empty.
When everybody else was Chicken Little, crying on the news about spending 4 hours in line at the Menehune Water bottling plant (and then buying as much water as their vehicle could hold -- not "leaving some for the next guy"), I was home watching it all. The DAY BEFORE the hurricane was due in, I went to the Costco at Waipio, and they had pallets on top of pallets of bottled water, and for the same price I paid before! SO I BOUGHT SOME MORE, JUST IN CASE.
Every disaster preparedness website, sign, PSA, or pamphlet I see says the exact same thing. Buy water and other hurricane/emergency supplies long before you need them. As you use them, replace your stock so it gets rotated, and it will be good for consumption later. Do not wait until the last minute, or you run the risk of being without. In that case, it does become a matter of life or death if you can't get to the stores, or the store shelves are empty for an extended period.
You can blame whoever on this forum for you not getting water, ammo, food, condoms, or whatever else you can't survive an emergency without. But as we all know, if you didn't plan ahead, you have no one to blame but yourself!
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Mauidog you da man, forgot about condoms. My family is full on Mormons been brainwashed about prepping even before it became popular. Sadly most of my family aren't into guns.
Think they're going to call the "Marines".
Awesome you're on it. Maui no ka oi.. Feel sorry for all the deer if supermarkets closed down. Wish Oahu had resources like our neighbor lslands..
Aloha!
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yeah water is life or death. ammo is not. hoarding thousands of rounds when u know you aint going use it all within a decent amount of time is uncool especially rounds that are in shortage. the guys i know who have 10k rounds of 22lr will have to shoot 100 rounds a day on sat and sun for 1 year of constant shooting. now if you do that much than fine but if you only shoot like 1000 for the year let other have a share of that 9000. be nice to your fellow shooters :shaka:
If I take advantage of OGC's deal and pre-order five or ten thousand rounds of 22lr now, I am not depriving my fellow shooters of ammo. If I still have all five or ten thousand rounds two years from now and there is a 22lr shortage at that time, my OGC purchase is not responsible for that shortage but I will have 22 ammo to shoot while those without are wishing they stocked up.
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Sorry I couldn't keep up with the string guys, I preparing to fly out to Hilo and help a close family member move his belongings the Lava is getting close and I don't know when I'll be back or if he has internet in his area, PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST
Good luck and be safe :thumbsup: