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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: 808shooter on August 13, 2011, 12:24:14 PM
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By Star-Advertiser staff
POSTED: 07:16 p.m. HST, Aug 12, 2011
A woman believed to be in her 30s is in critical condition after suffering an apparent gunshot wound to the head at an indoor shooting range in Waikiki Friday evening.
Police are investigating the incident, which occurred around 6:30 p.m. No further details are yet available.
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This was under discussion at the HawaiiCCW facebook page. Apparently it happened at the SWAT range, not the other one, the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Society, IIRC. Do we know anything else about the incident yet?
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That's horrible news. The first thing I thought of was a suicide attempt, but without further details, it could be anything.
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That's uhh. Wow that's some shit right there.
Here comes "never waste a crisis". Brace yourselves.
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Whether suicide or accident, it will likely garner some press that will be negative toward guns/gun owners. In reality, and what will likely never be reported, is that such instances, especially with japaneses tourists that generally have NO experience handling guns, are caused by a lack of attention by the gun range/range master. Stupid.
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Confirmed to be a suicide.
This is just sad but selfish at the same time.
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Well, at least that removes the incident from the table as far as 2A rights are concerned.
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Can't really do much when some idiot wants to kill themselves. They could have easily leaped off of their hotel room.
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Can't really do much when some idiot wants to kill themselves. They could have easily leaped off of their hotel room.
That's true, but it's still unfortunate. It's things like this that make me avoid ranges that rent out guns.
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This is sad.
The RSO must have really not been paying attention. I thought all those rent a gun places had them tied up to the walls so the shooter cannot point the gun anywhere but down range.
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This is sad.
The RSO must have really not been paying attention. I thought all those rent a gun places had them tied up to the walls so the shooter cannot point the gun anywhere but down range.
There's not really all that much a RSO can do in this situation. If someone wants to kill themselves badly enough, they will. It must have been a terrible experience for the others at the range and will probably continue to be a pain for the range it happened at.
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Confirmed to be a suicide.
This is just sad but selfish at the same time.
Source?
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html)
Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).
I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.
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This is sad.
The RSO must have really not been paying attention. I thought all those rent a gun places had them tied up to the walls so the shooter cannot point the gun anywhere but down range.
you can still point them up to your head. I went there and shot the packages at swat and wgs, years ago. The rso isnt at fault for this.
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Top of a hotel might be guaranteed death, but some people may believe that a gunshot wound to the head is a more painless way to do it.
I don't think it is appropriate to criticize someone who kills themself but that is just my opinion. I feel that people have the right to be selfish. Telling someone that they can't act selfishly seems ridiculous to me. Furthermore this woman presumably had no obligations to the shooting community, like all of us here do.
If anything, this event could provide pro-gun rationale. "If this woman had been allowed to easily own a gun, she could have shot herself at home instead of at the range."
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My bet is this will be gone by next week, and we won't hear anything of it again.
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My bet is this will be gone by next week, and we won't hear anything of it again.
Hopefully so. It's a pity that she's gone, and my heart goes out to her family, but the less splash this makes in the media, the better it is for the firearms community.
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Not blaming the RSO at all for this. If the person wanted to off them self that bad, there would have been nothing they cold do to stop it.
I was not aware the cables could allow that much movement.
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So it was SWAT indoor range? Here's a video of a lady who looks like a tourist shooting at SWAT. Seems to me, one could point a gun up and lean over the counter. I suppose it's possible.
Hawaii Honolulu SWAT Gun Club 22口径S&Wリボルバー shot/射撃 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XQ2gHiqBo#)
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anyone hear if it was a Japanese tourist or local?
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Given that the person had an intent to take their own life - be it with a gun, jumping in front of a bus or from a bldg.; there is little a stranger can do. Like most all crimes we can only pass so many laws. The general population has to understand that. Laws are not a mystical power from the likes of Xavier - laws are only good within the confines of a society that is willing to accept it.
I'm sure the gun range will face some repurcussions from this event especially from the insurance company - but in reality there is nothing that the gun range could have done short of reading minds. Isn't it ridiculous that tourists go to rent something that there is a chain attached to it? I see those silly tri-wheeled mopeds and those things should have a boundary that prevents those things from leaving Waikiki. I saw a tourist couple on H1 with it.
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html)
Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).
I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.
i'd watch out. remember, karma's a bitch. mental illness is not something to be judgmental about.
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html)
Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).
I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.
i'd watch out. remember, karma's a bitch. mental illness is not something to be judgmental about.
I hear what you're saying Mokeanne. I think I know how buckjay feels, though. I tried not to make overtly negative comments about her, (I'm a recovering asshole, taking it day-by-day) but I'll admit that my first thought when I heard it was a suicide was, "For Pete's sakes, lady, did you really need to off yourself in PUBLIC with a RENTED GUN?!" It's not kind, and it's certainly un-Christian of me, but I still can't help but feel a little resentful that someone killed herself in a manner that gives the gun grabbers more excuses to restrict our civil rights.
Above and aside from all that, God rest her soul, I hope she found the peace she was looking for, and I really do feel bad for her family. Does anyone know who she was? Maybe we should take up a collection and at least get some flowers for the family or do something.
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Condolensces to the family.
Maybe she tried to get a gun legally to "off" herself, but was turned down by HPD because of mental illness. Maybe she wanted to do it in the woods by herself. Maybe she thought a gunshot wound to the head wouldn't take too long and hurt less than hanging or slitting wrists. Maybe she thought if she "borrowed" someone's gun that the owner will get in trouble. We will never know.
Rest In Peace.
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html)
Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).
I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.
i'd watch out. remember, karma's a bitch. mental illness is not something to be judgmental about.
karma is only a bitch to those who believe in it.
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Doing something like this in a public place is just wrong... I feel badly for her but cmon, in a public shooting range? Wow. I feel a whole lot worse for the people who had to witness this, the range itself, and of course, the friends/family that this person leaves to wonder. I have someone very close to me who's mother did this terrible act. This is NOT something that is forgiven or simply goes away - ever. This, and anyone even contemplating suicide, are definitively needing help because the act itself is only the beginning of the consequences!
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Doing something like this in a public place is just wrong... I feel badly for her but cmon, in a public shooting range? Wow. I feel a whole lot worse for the people who had to witness this, the range itself, and of course, the friends/family that this person leaves to wonder. I have someone very close to me who's mother did this terrible act. This is NOT something that is forgiven or simply goes away - ever. This, and anyone even contemplating suicide, are definitively needing help because the act itself is only the beginning of the consequences!
This is not the first or the last time this has happened or will happen. You will not see a ton of media attention here because it could somehow hurt tourism. She was obviously a person who felt she had no way out and ended her life in the most economic (and what she thought was the quickest) way she could figure out. Was it wrong on 27,000 levels? Yes. Will everyone associated with her and those at the range ever forget? No.
I for one am glad she did not take a different route and take out some bystanders before she decided to end her own life. Having been close to someone that has ended their own life, the only way to help these folks is to catch it early enough and get them some help. Even then, it doesn't always work.
I recommend we get passed this quickly and focus on issues that affects the living. Have you been watching the news? The UN wants our guns. Headline that here in the forums and see if it gets more posts....watching. :popcorn:
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I was pretty much passed this by the time I read it on facebook :P.