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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: 2aHawaii on December 03, 2009, 02:52:25 PM
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Bushmasta55 asked about shipping ammo (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=157.msg577#msg577) in from the mainland in another post and I just wanted to follow up on that.
I am aware that shipping ammo needs to be done via freight, UPS, or FedEx in properly marked (ORM-D) packaging. As such, and with such a heavy box, shipping costs are usually prohibitive to getting ammo shipped here.
Has anyone dealt with getting ammo shipped in via freight and can chime in with their experience?
I am interested in knowing who provides good service, good costs, and how many cases would need to be shipped to even consider this.
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I have been part of a group of people who ordered ammo or reloading supplies in bulk of a couple of occasions. However, my direct involvement was limited to saying "10 cases, please" and handing over money. Apparently, though, with a large enough order, you can have a container shipped on one of the local nautical shipping companies.
I've also got a friend who owns a gun store, and he has offered to help me out with some exotic ammo that I can't find locally by letting me have the mainland company deliver it to his shipping company. So far, I haven't taken him up on it, but it's the only way I'll ever gat ammo to feed my Steyr Manlicher 8x56R.
The other thing I do not understand is how CMP can ship me 70 lbs of .30-06 FedEx overnight for under $30, while other companies charge $400 for the same service.
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Mahalos for the fallow up 2a.
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What about magazines, I tried to order some mags and this company says that they can't ship here.
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A lot of companies have problems sending
high-cap standard capacity rifle magazines but other companies will send them. It is one of those grey area laws that some companies don't want to deal with.
low-cap magazines shouldn't be a problem with anyone. But, then again, sales and shipping are all up to the individual companies.
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It's the Hawaii legal magazine.
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A lot of companies have problems sending high-cap rifle magazines but other companies will send them. It is one of those grey area laws that some companies don't want to deal with.
low-cap magazines shouldn't be a problem with anyone. But, then again, sales and shipping are all up to the individual companies.
This is a pet peeve of mine... but we are not discussing high capacity magazines. What's banned here in Hawaii are standard capacity magazines. "Hi-Cap" is as valid a term as "Assault Weapon." If people stopped mislabeling things, a lot of the resistance we face would evaporate.
Any reasonable person who is merely ignorant of the facts will hear someone bitching about "I want high capacity magazines for assault weapons!" and think, "you know, that makes sense. No one needs an assault weapon, much less a high capacity magazine fir it." Hell, my MOM has told me about how we need to ban all these "assault weapons," and she grew up with firearms! Keeps many in her house on display!
However, if the person had said "I want some standard capacity magazines for my rifle," there's no controversy. It becomes a reasonable request.
Perpetuate facts!
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My bad. I've corrected my original post :)
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What about magazines, I tried to order some mags and this company says that they can't ship here.
You can always have them shipped to an in-law or friend on the mainland, then have them flat rate the mags over here. I usually have them take the mags apart so they are considered "parts kit"
Hopefully this site grows and grows, then we can all get together for a huge group buy!
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sorry I just wanted to revive this thread. So does anyone buy ammo online? Can it be done or do you have to get a FFL to do it for you? I'm looking at some deals online and they are awesome.
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AM223120.aspx (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AM223120.aspx)
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AM762103.aspx (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AM762103.aspx)
Sheez! Ammo is a lot cheaper on the mainland! Comon guys, what's the scoop? Do we have to settle for local gun shop prices?
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Prices here make me want to get my own FFL. It's only a few hundred bucks the first time. Just the issue of BATF having rights to my home worries me. Then again I could probably find some sort of storefront to do it in.
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So does anyone buy ammo online? Can it be done or do you have to get a FFL to do it for you?
I do buy ammo online from the CMP. I can get .30-06, shipped, for $0.64/round. They also sell .30 Carbine and .22 ammo, but the prices end up being break-even with local deals.
You do not need an FFL. However, aside from CMP, what you will find is that it is not a cost-effective way to go. The shipping costs of getting hazardous goods overnighted to you (and it is required by law to be overnighted) more than offset the savings you are looking at. There are only 3 ways to actually save money shipping ammo here:
1. Join the CMP and order M2 ball.
2. Make friends with the owner of a gun store who will let you add items to his bulk shipments.
3. Place a large enough order that it has to be put on a container ship.
Shotgun News was running an add from a bulk distributor that sold by the pallet and used reasonable freight rates. I looked long and hard at that, and tried to imagine fronting $15,000 then showing up at the gun show with a pallet of .223 or .308 and trying to break even. Did not seem like the kind of gamble I was willing to take.
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hmmm ok so that's why the higher prices, cause of shipping restrictions. Well, maybe when this forum gets large enough, we can get some group buys going! :geekdanc:
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hmmm ok so that's why the higher prices, cause of shipping restrictions. Well, maybe when this forum gets large enough, we can get some group buys going! :geekdanc:
count me in for the next group buy.
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count me in for the next group buy.
I don't think the first one happened yet.
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I don't think the first one happened yet.
We do group buys all the time.
They're called "buy ammo from OGC" :thumbsup:
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count me in for the next group buy.
Umm, I'm not sure how many here will be going in on a bulk purchase of AirSoft pellets!
:rofl: :crazy: :shaka:
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I have heard of people leagally bringing ammo on an airline.
There are some restrictions like.
-limited to 10 pounds (not sure if thats gross weight or N.E.W.)
-Has to be in the original manufacture boxes
-Has to be in a lock, and approved, case.
I do not know the full detail, but I know it has been done :thumbsup:
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We used to do that every time we went to Vegas. Buy a case and split it up into 4 bags and everyone would check one in.
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Thats another thing. I would call the airline to verify they will accept the ammo, and get more details of course.
Make sure you declare you have the ammo upon check in.
The last thing you want is to get a warm welcome from TSA, Customs and BATF :shake:
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Everytime I go to the mainland, I bring back ammo. If at all possible, I fly Alaska Airlines on my return flight. They allow up to 50 lbs of ammo. I've brought a whole case of .223 on Alaska. Make sure to declare it when checking in and bring a printout of the airline's rules and TSA regulations just in case the airline agent isn't familiar with their own policies. You don't need it in a locked box. As long as it's in the original 20/50 round cardboard boxes (i.e. not loose rounds in a zip lock bag) it's fine. I've flown on numerous airlines and the only incident I had was when I flew American or Delta out of Oakland a few years ago. The airline agent called TSA and they did a full on search of my suitcase along with swabbing it, etc... After 10 minutes the TSA looks at the agent and said, "where's the firearm". When she told him it was just ammunition he looked pretty irritated and told her, "you don't need to call us unless there's a firearm."
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holy crap, that's a great idea! thanks! i'm probably going to vegas in the fall. 50lbs of ammo sounds great on nevada prices. i was thinking about buying a rifle while im there but i guess ammo is fine too.
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Myke- with ur luck buddy I wouldn't chance em
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Good luck trying to find ammo in the mainland. It's not like how it used to be pre panic time
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Vegas is no better than buying it on sale here, if you can find anything. Plus they have higher sales tax there too.
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Planning a vegas vacation this year and will look into airline regulations regarding bringing back Ammo.
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My wife was on the mainland about 2 weeks ago and I had her bring back 11 pounds of ammo on Delta.
I had her make sure the ammo was in original boxes or plastic boxes and she had the airline reg printed out on check-in. She declared the ammo at the counter and said the agent didnt blink an eye. I also looked at her bag to see if she had the full inspection tag from the TSA and it didnt.
Next family trip to the mainland everyone is coming back with the max amount of ammo to include my 7 year olds bag! ;)
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Las Vegas
PMC 223 $750/1000
XM193 Federal $1000/1000
XM855 $1.50 a round
22LR $100/500 Rounds
9mm $499/1000 PMC
The only time you can get ammo cheap is when Wallymart gets it......
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Las Vegas
PMC 223 $750/1000
XM193 Federal $1000/1000
XM855 $1.50 a round
22LR $100/500 Rounds
9mm $499/1000 PMC
The only time you can get ammo cheap is when Wallymart gets it......
Everytime I go to the mainland, I bring back ammo. If at all possible, I fly Alaska Airlines on my return flight. They allow up to 50 lbs of ammo.
Maybe the better idea would be to TAKE ammo there and sell it?? :)
Save on shipping cost and HAZMAT Fees! The ammo prices here are much cheaper than what's listed, when you can find it, of course. Selling one brick of .22LR would pay the extra bag fee on the airline -- 50 lbs of ammo!! :geekdanc:
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My wife was on the mainland about 2 weeks ago and I had her bring back 11 pounds of ammo on Delta.
I had her make sure the ammo was in original boxes or plastic boxes and she had the airline reg printed out on check-in. She declared the ammo at the counter and said the agent didnt blink an eye. I also looked at her bag to see if she had the full inspection tag from the TSA and it didnt.
Next family trip to the mainland everyone is coming back with the max amount of ammo to include my 7 year olds bag! ;)
This is good info guys :shaka:
Delta allows 11#
Alaska allows 50#
Anyone also have any expirience they want to add?
I will be flying United/CONT in the summer and will find out what they allow. :thumbsup:
There are alot of deals on the mailand. The key is having a family or friend to ship it to in the mainland in the interim till you fly there. Or have a friend fly it over here when they vacation here.
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Myke- with ur luck buddy I wouldn't chance em
lmao, i know right. with the prices right now though, if i see a case for a good price i probably wouldn't be able to resist. if its just ammo what's the worst that could happen?
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Las Vegas
PMC 223 $750/1000
XM193 Federal $1000/1000
XM855 $1.50 a round
22LR $100/500 Rounds
9mm $499/1000 PMC
The only time you can get ammo cheap is when Wallymart gets it......
fuck, if those prices are real that sucks. maybe it'll go down by november.
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Would it be a profitable business to ship containers of ammo here to sell in a storefront? What is the supply and demand of common calibers like 7.62, 5.56, 9mm, 45acp and 22lr?
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Nice to see what prices used to be in panic mode. Justifies buying more now
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I'm reviving this thread because all the ammo stores I've visited on the BI have bare shelves.
The only online store I've discovered that will ship here is Midsouth Shooter's Supply, but the shipping price UPS Overnight Hazmat rate is crazy expensive.
To answer / clarify some of the things I've read on this thread. Regarding putting ammunition in checked bags, that is up to individual airline policy. The ammo does not have to be declared, only the weapon does, so if not shipping a weapon no declaration is required. The ammunition has to be in the original manufacturer's container. The weight limit on most airlines is 5kg (11 pounds). Alaska Airlines allows 50 pounds per person. (Not per bag, per person). They also have 50 pound weight limit per checked bag, so you have to take that into consideration (If your bag weighs 5 pounds, you can only put 45 pounds of ammo in it, to ship 5 more pounds, check a second bag). Whenever I've brought ammo over TSA put a notice in my bag that they inspected it but I've never had a problem.
Anyways, my question remains, is there any affordable / legal way to ship ammo to Hawaii? I asked the local owner when he was expecting to get more in, and his answer was that we are at the end of the supply chain and he can't get anything in. When he does receive product in, it's usually a fraction of what he ordered, and I think it's pretty much already spoken for by his friends and special customers. (i.e., no ammo for me).
Thanks for any recommendations one can make.
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I'm reviving this thread because all the ammo stores I've visited on the BI have bare shelves.
The only online store I've discovered that will ship here is Midsouth Shooter's Supply, but the shipping price UPS Overnight Hazmat rate is crazy expensive.
To answer / clarify some of the things I've read on this thread. Regarding putting ammunition in checked bags, that is up to individual airline policy. The ammo does not have to be declared, only the weapon does, so if not shipping a weapon no declaration is required. The ammunition has to be in the original manufacturer's container. The weight limit on most airlines is 5kg (11 pounds). Alaska Airlines allows 50 pounds per person. (Not per bag, per person). They also have 50 pound weight limit per checked bag, so you have to take that into consideration (If your bag weighs 5 pounds, you can only put 45 pounds of ammo in it, to ship 5 more pounds, check a second bag). Whenever I've brought ammo over TSA put a notice in my bag that they inspected it but I've never had a problem.
Anyways, my question remains, is there any affordable / legal way to ship ammo to Hawaii? I asked the local owner when he was expecting to get more in, and his answer was that we are at the end of the supply chain and he can't get anything in. When he does receive product in, it's usually a fraction of what he ordered, and I think it's pretty much already spoken for by his friends and special customers. (i.e., no ammo for me).
Thanks for any recommendations one can make.
You dont have to declare you have ammo. But it's good to let the airlines know. They handle your bags with more respect lol. And the cheapest way I would think is by boat. Not matson or another company. Like if you have fishing friends and. Wanna take a nice trip to Oahu and back home. Lol. Idk if it's illegal but I would think its fine. Its not an illegal item in the aloha state like fire works are.
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You dont have to declare you have ammo. But it's good to let the airlines know. They handle your bags with more respect lol. And the cheapest way I would think is by boat. Not matson or another company. Like if you have fishing friends and. Wanna take a nice trip to Oahu and back home. Lol. Idk if it's illegal but I would think its fine. Its not an illegal item in the aloha state like fire works are.
It is required to declare all firearms and ammo when traveling on commercial airliners.
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It is required to declare all firearms and ammo when traveling on commercial airliners.
True.
TSA:
Small arms ammunition (up to .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge) must be packaged in a fiber (such as cardboard), wood, plastic, or metal box specifically designed to carry ammunition and declared to your airline.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
I spot checked, and while Hawaiian Airlines' webpage says to declare ammunition, Alaska Airlines' page does not.
To be compliant, I'd declare it no matter what's on the airline's website. We all know a webpage can have errors and changes. Because the TSA requires it, I'd follow their guidance just to make it simple and avoid any problems.
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If the Oahu shops have what you're looking for you can have a friend buy here and ship via YB to BI.
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It is required to declare all firearms and ammo when traveling on commercial airliners.
Fairly sure this is correct.
The airlines decide how to handle it, as far as I have seen. On trip with ammo on AA, they wanted it out and weighed, SW just wanted a form filled out and stuffed in with the ammo.
At the destination, AA had the bags at baggage service, SW were just on the carousel with all the rest of the bags (and not on the carousel it was supposed to be on) !!
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the three times i have brought back ammo, Hawaiian has weighed every single time. Once i was over 11 lbs (so they say) but i pre weighed. So another scale used, and i was right.
BTW the prices someone posted are incorrect on the mainland.
I have purchased ammo in LV and had shipped to LV. Before shipping and tax, 349 for 1000 rounds of 9mm 40Cal Rem was $29.95 per 50 rounds (before tax) so far lots of ammo seen at LGS in Vegas.
BTW im heading there 2x in March....
Aloha!
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the three times i have brought back ammo, Hawaiian has weighed every single time. Once i was over 11 lbs (so they say) but i pre weighed. So another scale used, and i was right.
BTW the prices someone posted are incorrect on the mainland.
I have purchased ammo in LV and had shipped to LV. Before shipping and tax, 349 for 1000 rounds of 9mm 40Cal Rem was $29.95 per 50 rounds (before tax) so far lots of ammo seen at LGS in Vegas.
BTW im heading there 2x in March....
Aloha!
For us it's hit or miss. But seems like Oahu is more strict. Here they always weight my ammo and even check if a few rounds are missing from the box. My trip in december the lady thought it had to also be packed inside the foam case that my gun was in. She had to check with her boss. And she was wrong.
Coming back and checking with HA, half the time they don't even weight it, they just ask that I' m under 11lbs. I've also never had to open the box in vegas HA check in either. Only a few times did I have to not open the pistol case, a verbal from me was sufficient.
So seems vegas is more lax about it than Oahu.
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For us it's hit or miss. But seems like Oahu is more strict. Here they always weight my ammo and even check if a few rounds are missing from the box. My trip in december the lady thought it had to also be packed inside the foam case that my gun was in. She had to check with her boss. And she was wrong.
Coming back and checking with HA, half the time they don't even weight it, they just ask that I' m under 11lbs. I've also never had to open the box in vegas HA check in either. Only a few times did I have to not open the pistol case, a verbal from me was sufficient.
So seems vegas is more lax about it than Oahu.
Based on my experience in Vegas, Honolulu and other cities, I'd characterize it more like:
Most mainland airports see more firearms being transported than Hawaii. They are therefore more comfortable and knowledgeable on the rules and procedures.
In Hawaii, I had to explain to the agent how things worked, which she had to verify with her supervisor. I was correct, and she was apologetic.
In Vegas, the agent was 100% on top of the process, and she didn't bat an eye when I declared my firearms and ammo. She had me sign my declaration, placed it inside the luggage -- NOT inside the locked Pelican case -- and put a "Special Handing" label on the bag. She was obviously accustomed to doing this, whereas the Hawaii agents appear to treat this as an "I've never done this before" encounter.
I've transported ammo to and from Hawaii. I've never been asked to weigh the ammo separately at any airport, and I can't remember being asked how much it weighed (don't make me swear to that!). I used the plastic Berry's-type ammo cases with dividers, and taped the lids closed. No problems.
I routinely fly United to use my FF miles. Maybe the difference is United vs. HA?
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Based on my experience in Vegas, Honolulu and other cities, I'd characterize it more like:
Most mainland airports see more firearms being transported than Hawaii. They are therefore more comfortable and knowledgeable on the rules and procedures.
In Hawaii, I had to explain to the agent how things worked, which she had to verify with her supervisor. I was correct, and she was apologetic.
In Vegas, the agent was 100% on top of the process, and she didn't bat an eye when I declared my firearms and ammo. She had me sign my declaration, placed it inside the luggage -- NOT inside the locked Pelican case -- and put a "Special Handing" label on the bag. She was obviously accustomed to doing this, whereas the Hawaii agents appear to treat this as an "I've never done this before" encounter.
I've transported ammo to and from Hawaii. I've never been asked to weigh the ammo separately at any airport, and I can't remember being asked how much it weighed (don't make me swear to that!). I used the plastic Berry's-type ammo cases with dividers, and taped the lids closed. No problems.
I routinely fly United to use my FF miles. Maybe the difference is United vs. HA?
HI made me put the orange paper inside the locked case. Vegas in outside in the luggage. #facepalm.
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Hopefully the people who maintain and fly the planes are better trained...
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Here they always weight my ammo and even check if a few rounds are missing from the box.
Could they produce something about missing rounds? Not seen that is reading airlne and TSA stuff
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Could they produce something about missing rounds? Not seen that is reading airlne and TSA stuff
There is nothing that prevents it, but the HA desk workers (Oahu) make it a big deal if your box of 50 isn't full (has open spots). This happened to me 2x, so now I just bring a full box.
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There is nothing that prevents it, but the HA desk workers (Oahu) make it a big deal if your box of 50 isn't full (has open spots). This happened to me 2x, so now I just bring a full box.
I've flown back with a partial box of 9mm after Front Sight. I bought a 1,000 rd case and used 930 rds. That left 1 full box and 1 with only 20 rds.
Nobody at the counter asked to see my ammo, much less opened the boxes. Thus, no questions about "missing" rounds.
If an agent tried to make an issue of it, I'd ask for a supervisor. No sense in arguing with someone who appears to be untrained and is just making up requirements as they go.
"If you bring a 50rd box of ammo, it must contain exactly 50 rds" is rather stupid.
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I've flown back with a partial box of 9mm after Front Sight. I bought a 1,000 rd case and used 930 rds. That left 1 full box and 1 with only 20 rds.
Nobody at the counter asked to see my ammo, much less opened the boxes. Thus, no questions about "missing" rounds.
If an agent tried to make an issue of it, I'd ask for a supervisor. No sense in arguing with someone who appears to be untrained and is just making up requirements as they go.
"If you bring a 50rd box of ammo, it must contain exactly 50 rds" is rather stupid.
Both times they had to check with a supervisor and I was allowed to bring them. And 1 time coming home from Vegas, I had a full box of Federal HST. When I got home, 1 round was missing. Jerkoff TSA took my 1 rd. On another return home flight, TSA decided to puncture my protein packed of powder and didn't put tape on the hole. I had white powder all over my clothes. It could have been worst though, cause all those clothes had to be washed anyways. WOuld be worst if it was going up to Vegas.
Also this past December, HA clerk (Oahu) had to check with her supervisor cause there were 2 pistols in the case. Because they were not in separate foam compartments, basically stacked on each other since it's not a big case.
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Both times they had to check with a supervisor and I was allowed to bring them. And 1 time coming home from Vegas, I had a full box of Federal HST. When I got home, 1 round was missing. Jerkoff TSA took my 1 rd. On another return home flight, TSA decided to puncture my protein packed of powder and didn't put tape on the hole. I had white powder all over my clothes. It could have been worst though, cause all those clothes had to be washed anyways. WOuld be worst if it was going up to Vegas.
Also this past December, HA clerk (Oahu) had to check with her supervisor cause there were 2 pistols in the case. Because they were not in separate foam compartments, basically stacked on each other since it's not a big case.
I used a small size Pelican for 2 guns when I attended Front Sight. I inserted a layer of foam between the guns to separate them.
Since nobody has ever opened my gun case to inspect it, I've never had any questions about how many guns I was packing in the one case.
There are 3 layers of foam. Just cut the hole out all the way through the middle foam, and slice a piece from that cutout to place between the guns. I do that anyway to keep the guns from banging and sliding against each other in transit.
Next time, ask where the requirement is to have ANY foam in the gun case. I believe the case has to be rigid and have locks. Nothing about foam dividers.
a. You must declare all firearms in advance of travel.
b. You must remove all magazines and clips from all firearms.
c. All magazines and clips must be empty. See Rule 18(D)(1)(b)(iii) for an exception for certain law enforcement and Military personnel.
d. You agree to indemnify Hawaiian for any costs and expenses Hawaiian incurs because of your non-compliance with this Section (D)(11) or any Government Laws relating to the transport of your firearm.
e. Firearms must be unloaded and packed in a commercial hard-sided case manufactured specifically for the type of firearm.
f. The container must be locked with a key or lock combination which should remain in your possession to prevent unauthorized access to the firearm.
https://www.hawaiianairlines.com/legal/domestic-contract-of-carriage/rule-18
packed in a commercial hard-sided case manufactured specifically for the type of firearm.
That's not only ambiguous and open to interpretation, it mentions nothing about any sort of foam or other padding inside the case. I believe most people ASSUME the owner wants the gun protected from drops and will use some packing material. Why not some old newspapers? Styrofoam Peanuts? Those air bags you get in Amazon boxes?
I'm starting to think HA employees are the problem, not the regulations.
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I used a small size Pelican for 2 guns when I attended Front Sight. I inserted a layer of foam between the guns to separate them.
Since nobody has ever opened my gun case to inspect it, I've never had any questions about how many guns I was packing in the one case.
There are 3 layers of foam. Just cut the hole out all the way through the middle foam, and slice a piece from that cutout to place between the guns. I do that anyway to keep the guns from banging and sliding against each other in transit.
Next time, ask where the requirement is to have ANY foam in the gun case. I believe the case has to be rigid and have locks. Nothing about foam dividers.
https://www.hawaiianairlines.com/legal/domestic-contract-of-carriage/rule-18
packed in a commercial hard-sided case manufactured specifically for the type of firearm.
That's not only ambiguous and open to interpretation, it mentions nothing about any sort of foam or other padding inside the case. I believe most people ASSUME the owner wants the gun protected from drops and will use some packing material. Why not some old newspapers? Styrofoam Peanuts? Those air bags you get in Amazon boxes?
I'm starting to think HA employees are the problem, not the regulations.
The HA worker was just not educated and that seems the MO on oahu.
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