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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: jordon816 on November 17, 2015, 07:30:46 PM
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So I want to ask how everyone feels about this issue. I haven't seen anything else on the page about it forgive me if I have missed it. So my question is given Hawaii's already growing homeless population; not to mention the current situations with the terrorist attacks in Paris how do y'all feel about the governor saying he would except the Syrian refugees?
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30532863/governor-hawaii-would-welcome-syrian-refugees (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30532863/governor-hawaii-would-welcome-syrian-refugees)
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I welcome all legal immigrants .
refugees are legal immigrants
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I do not welcome these refugees ,our state can't even take care of our own people, we can't even afford to help out the teachers with basic school supplies for our children.and with whos money will be supporting these refugees, housing, food, and what housing.I don't think ige thought it threw.
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Hundreds of thousands of refugees came after WW1 from Europe,
Hundreds of thousands of refugees came after WW2 from Europe
Hundreds of thousands of refugees came after Vietnam from Southeast Asia
Refusing refugees from a certain region, is a Liberal type of thinking.
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By definition:
an immigrant is a person who comes to a country to live there
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a refugee is someone who has been forced to leave a country because of war or for religious or political reasons
I do not believe these folks qualify as "refugees".
They have not been"forced" to leave their country because of war or for religious or political reasons but have chosen to "flee" (aka to run away from danger) their country. :wacko:
For some reason another group of immigrants comes to mind.
When the country they lived in was dominated by what they considered an intolerable government and way of life, they did not flee from this danger, but rather united, rose up and ousted the undesirables and created one of the greatest nations on earth. :thumbsup:
Grow a pair and fix your problem, don't run away from it and become someone else's problem. :wtf:
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Hundreds of thousands of refugees came after WW1 from Europe,
Hundreds of thousands of refugees came after WW2 from Europe
Hundreds of thousands of refugees came after Vietnam from Southeast Asia
Refusing refugees from a certain region, is a Liberal type of thinking.
I like you Suka but ...
a refugee is someone who has been forced to leave a country because of war or for religious or political reasons.
if they came after the war, they were immigrants, not refugees
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For some reason another group of immigrants comes to mind.
When the country they lived in was dominated by what they considered an intolerable government and way of life, they did not flee from this danger, but rather united, rose up and ousted the undesirables and created one of the greatest nations on earth. :thumbsup:
Israel :worship: Alahu Akbar
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Israel :worship: Alahu Akbar
Aloha snackbar? (:
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Most Jews that left Germany and Poland in late 1930 early 1940 were in fact refugees. Most Cambodian and South Vietnamese that left Vietnam after the war in the the mid 70's were also refugees. This was under the name operation "New Life".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkU4KOvIas
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Most Jews that left Germany and Poland in late 1930 early 1940 were in fact refugees. Most Cambodian and South Vietnamese that left Vietnam after the war in the the mid 70's were also refugees. This was under the name operation "New Life".
The name of my operation is,NEW LIFE ELSEWHERE.!!
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sobering facts on immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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List Of 190 Cities Where Obama Will Be Placing Syrian Muslim Refugees
Included on the list: Umi Street Kalihi.
:wtf: ???
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HEADLINE: OBAMA COMMITS TROOPS TO FIGHT THE SYRIAN CONFLICT
Unfortunately they are Syrian troops and the conflict will be held in a city near you!
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“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/silverspring228/immigration2.png) (http://s116.photobucket.com/user/silverspring228/media/immigration2.png.html)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/New_colossus.jpg)
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Most Jews that left Germany and Poland in late 1930 early 1940 were in fact refugees. Most Cambodian and South Vietnamese that left Vietnam after the war in the the mid 70's were also refugees. This was under the name operation "New Life".
Most Jews, Cambodians and Vietnamese did not support religious doctrine that calls for the destruction of our country and our allies.
Most Jews, Cambodians and Vietnamese did not actively plant sleeper cells to carry out attacks against the United States during the times of crisis, in which refugees were accepted.
With regards to Cambodians and Vietnamese, they were first relocated to US territories before needed a state sponsor to bring them into the US.
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List Of 190 Cities Where Obama Will Be Placing Syrian Muslim Refugees
Included on the list: Umi Street Kalihi.
:wtf: ???
Lol.it would be interesting with the Samoans,fillipinos,micronesians that is already there.and add in ,sryians,..oohh boy. :wacko:
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Lol.it would be interesting with the Samoans,fillipinos,micronesians that is already there.and add in ,sryians,..oohh boy. :wacko:
As Kermit the Frog was saying after he got butt fucked by the citizens of Hawaii, they tend to relocate middle easterners to states with the same demographic, so he thinks that none will come to Hawaii.
But I'm starting to see a lot of chicks with head-scarfs in Hawaii, so who knows.
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Most Jews, Cambodians and Vietnamese did not support religious doctrine that calls for the destruction of our country and our allies.
Most Jews, Cambodians and Vietnamese did not actively plant sleeper cells to carry out attacks against the United States during the times of crisis, in which refugees were accepted.
With regards to Cambodians and Vietnamese, they were first relocated to US territories before needed a state sponsor to bring them into the US.
The United States believed sleepers were in the German, Italian and Japanese population, (which were all true,) However only the Japanese population were herded into camp.
This is America, Home of the Free.
Israel has a large Muslim population , bombing daily, The civilian population is armed and do take out terrorist also on a daily bases. I would rather live in Tel Avi armed than in a disarmed Honolulu.
Maybe if Honolulu had daily bombing we would be allowed to carry , like Isreal.
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As Kermit the Frog was saying after he got butt fucked by the citizens of Hawaii, they tend to relocate middle easterners to states with the same demographic, so he thinks that none will come to Hawaii.
But I'm starting to see a lot of chicks with head-scarfs in Hawaii, so who knows.
He doesn't think none will come to Hawaii, bullshit.if some one says hey who wants to go to beautiful sunny Hawaii, for free 10.000 hands will raise.
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The United States believed sleepers were in the German, Italian and Japanese population, (which were all true,) However only the Japanese population were herded into camp.
This is America, Home of the Free.
Israel has a large Muslim population , bombing daily, The civilian population is armed and do take out terrorist also on a daily bases. I would rather live in Tel Avi armed than in a disarmed Honolulu.
Maybe if Honolulu had daily bombing we would be allowed to carry , like Isreal.
There maybe bombings in Honolulu, where the Syrian refugees go,ISIS follows (paris).
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There maybe bombings in Honolulu, where the Syrian refugees go,ISIS follows (paris).
The liberal will finalyl wake up and demand to be armed.
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I would rather live in Tel Avi armed than in a disarmed Honolulu.
Maybe if Honolulu had daily bombing we would be allowed to carry , like Isreal.
Creating an environment of increased likelihood of terrorism/violence to achieve 2A is just absurd.
Saying living unarmed in Honolulu is worse that living in Tel Aviv is equally absurd.
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The liberal will finalyl wake up and demand to be armed.
Are you kidding?
They would call for more gun control.
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Hawaii welcomes all Refugees , foreign and domestic.
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Ige's response to people's response on welcoming refugees.
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Ige's response to people's response on welcoming refugees.
Good one.
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Ige's response to people's response on welcoming refugees.
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Funny :thumbsup:
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Most Jews, Cambodians and Vietnamese did not support religious doctrine that calls for the destruction of our country and our allies.
Most Jews, Cambodians and Vietnamese did not actively plant sleeper cells to carry out attacks against the United States during the times of crisis, in which refugees were accepted.
With regards to Cambodians and Vietnamese, they were first relocated to US territories before needed a state sponsor to bring them into the US.
I think Q makes a good point.
What about the Syrian Refugees that are Christians? Not Muslims. The Christians have the same value systems and religious values that this country was built on. While I support refusing the Muslim Syrian Refugees from immigrating to the U.S., I do support allowing the Christian Syrian Refugees to come to the U.S. There are not very many, BTW.
I also agree that we cannot take any refugees here in Hawaii. I believe we would only make things worse for them if we did.
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Israel :worship: Alahu Akbar
Wrong again, twice. :(
Israel became a nation on May 14th 1948.
They were nether immigrants nor refugees being forced from their country or fighting to get it back.
Control of their country was returned to them after British mandate ended, just like China !
And that's not the country I was referring to. :grrr:
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The United States believed sleepers were in the German, Italian and Japanese population, (which were all true,) However only the Japanese population were herded into camp.
This is America, Home of the Free.
Israel has a large Muslim population , bombing daily, The civilian population is armed and do take out terrorist also on a daily bases. I would rather live in Tel Avi armed than in a disarmed Honolulu.
Maybe if Honolulu had daily bombing we would be allowed to carry , like Isreal.
Really? I was unaware of any actual instance of discovered Italian or Japanese "sleepers" during WW2.
I do believe that some Gernams were placed into detention camps though. Not on the scale that the Japanese were of course.
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What about the Syrian Refugees that are Christians? Not Muslims. The Christians have the same value systems and religious values that this country was built on. While I support refusing the Muslim Syrian Refugees from immigrating to the U.S., I do support allowing the Christian Syrian Refugees to come to the U.S. There are not very many, BTW.
um I hope your being sarcastic here ???
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um I hope your being sarcastic here ???
Of course. Sorry I didn't put in the [/sarcasm] thingy.
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After reading all your comments I see there is kind of a mix between acceptance and refusal. I for one hope the "refugees" are not allowed in this country. ISIS has already stated that they are currently using the transport of "refugees" to infiltrate other countries. I am fully aware that they are not all terrorists, another question I have is why is the mass of these "refugees" around 70% from what I can find info on are males between the ages of 16-40. Seems to be prime fighting/military ages? I am in the military and am only a guest on the wonderful island but I would hate to see such a beautiful place further ruined by increased pollution and crime. I have friends that are currently stationed in Germany and other places where the "refugees" are overwhelming the population. My buddy in Germany told me that since the Syrians(mostly all male) have arrived there has been a HUGE increase in crime especially sexual crimes committed against women, mass amounts of break-ins, robberies, violent attacks, and not to mention pollution and fecal matter everywhere.
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Ige's response to people's response on welcoming refugees.
Lol,frickin hilarious :rofl:
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Everyone talks about all the refugees that came here in the past... Did any of those groups have people that were actively trying to infiltrate the US to cause harm?
A terrorist ideology can exist independent of race, religion and political identification. A terrorist can truly come in the form of any type or immigrant. Yes I would say there is a higher chance among Syrian immigrants, however our system of justice does not discriminate on likelihoods. The screening process just must be performed thoroughly to reduce the chance as much as possible.
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A terrorist ideology can exist independent of race, religion and political identification. A terrorist can truly come in the form of any type or immigrant. Yes I would say there is a higher chance among Syrian immigrants, however our system of justice does not discriminate on likelihoods. The screening process just must be performed thoroughly to reduce the chance as much as possible.
Good luck with that government-run screening process.
According to a report based on an internal investigation, "red teams" with the Department of Homeland Security's
Office of the Inspector General were able to get banned items through the screening process in 67 out of 70 tests it
conducted across the nation.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/tsa-failed-undercover-airport-screening-tests/
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A terrorist ideology can exist independent of race, religion and political identification. A terrorist can truly come in the form of any type or immigrant. Yes I would say there is a higher chance among Syrian immigrants, however our system of justice does not discriminate on likelihoods. The screening process just must be performed thoroughly to reduce the chance as much as possible.
yes a terrorist can come in any form of immigrant, and being that they are coming in with Syrian refugees. would you trust the government with you and your families lives? just to hope that they can reduce the chance?
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After reading all your comments I see there is kind of a mix between acceptance and refusal. I for one hope the "refugees" are not allowed in this country. ISIS has already stated that they are currently using the transport of "refugees" to infiltrate other countries. I am fully aware that they are not all terrorists, another question I have is why is the mass of these "refugees" around 70% from what I can find info on are males between the ages of 16-40. Seems to be prime fighting/military ages? I am in the military and am only a guest on the wonderful island but I would hate to see such a beautiful place further ruined by increased pollution and crime. I have friends that are currently stationed in Germany and other places where the "refugees" are overwhelming the population. My buddy in Germany told me that since the Syrians(mostly all male) have arrived there has been a HUGE increase in crime especially sexual crimes committed against women, mass amounts of break-ins, robberies, violent attacks, and not to mention pollution and fecal matter everywhere.
:thumbsup:
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yes a terrorist can come in any form of immigrant, and being that they are coming in with Syrian refugees. would you trust the government with you and your families lives? just to hope that they can reduce the chance?
Not sure, but if we apply that logic across the board, we would never have any immigrants.
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Immigrants <> refugees
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Not sure, but if we apply that logic across the board, we would never have any immigrants.
What logic is that? Im just asking you questions on your previous statements.
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Boo! To syrian refugees. Those who want them. Let them live your house/yard/ lol
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Hmm, refugees huh?
Riddle me this Mr. Obama: Why is it suddenly we "must" take in 10,000 to 100,000 Syrian "refugees"? Is it because they are supposedly fleeing war and persecution?
Funny, during your last trip to Africa I don't remember you getting your panties in a bunch about all the refugees fleeing from genocide and famine there. Why? I'm sure some tens of thousands of them would love to come to the US and fatten up on welfare and food stamps. To them it would be riches beyond their wildest dreams.
What makes these Syrians, the majority of which seem to be healthy men between the ages of 17 and 45, so special? What do they have to offer the country that those in Africa don't?
Another question occurs to me. In 1942 would we have blithely imported Japanese or Germans { other than Jews } in these numbers knowing a certain portion of them were likely to be soldiers bent on our destruction?
I'm detecting the scent of bovine excrement here.........
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Here's something to ponder:
Why aren't we taking in thousands of Kurds or Yazidi refugees who are getting slaughtered by the islamic pigs?
You know....thousands of Christians who were actually protected by Assad and now are fleeing genocide?
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Here's something to ponder:
Why aren't we taking in thousands of Kurds or Yazidi refugees who are getting slaughtered by the islamic pigs?
You know....thousands of Christians who were actually protected by Assad and now are fleeing genocide?
Ooops! Somebody's agenda is showing!
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Here's another thought, since the vast majority of these "refugees" are fighting age males, why don't they suit up and get into the fight? With their numbers and knowledge they could turn the tables IF they wanted to.
Where are all the women and children?
Are all these fleeing males leaving them there to die?
This whole situation stinks of BS!
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Check out the cheers during the moment of silence:
https://youtu.be/yq08xupYqYY
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The refugees should ALL be women only. So there won't be any left for the males to procreate with.
They should all get a western education too.
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The refugees should ALL be women only. So there won't be any left for the males to procreate with.
They should all get a western education too.
(http://i.imgur.com/LUJ5lAD.png)
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Think of all the European female refugees that will need to flee to America after all this bullshit.
They are definitely welcome in Hawaii :thumbsup:
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Another question occurs to me. In 1942 would we have blithely imported Japanese or Germans { other than Jews } in these numbers knowing a certain portion of them were likely to be soldiers bent on our destruction?
Isn't that a little bit of apples vs oranges? We were at war with Japan and Germany but we are not at war with Syria. Syria is have a civil war of sorts, the country as a whole is not our enemy.
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The head of the FBI already testified to Congress that their is NO way to vet these Syrian expats with any REAL validity. The Paris terror attacks have at least one of the killers coming in with the waves of Syrians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Afghans, and others. (The majority of these 'refugees' are NOT even Syrian.) I've seen statistics that state that over 60-70% of these 'refugees' are military age males, not women and children like the liberal media with their bleeding hearts portray it to be. ISIS made the claim that they would use the mass immigration waves to infiltrate Europe, and it looks like the Paris attacks are the proof. With the uncertainty of who these people are, and the fact that terrorists have already used them to sneak into other countries to attack, why in the FUCKING HELL are we risking this?
Also, contrary to the fucking asshat President, there actually IS a religious test component to granting asylum to refugees. According to section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code, an alien "must establish that … religion [among other things] … was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant." These Muslims are fleeing fighting. The Christians, Yazidis, and other NON-MUSLIMS are fleeing precisely because their religion makes them targets. If we're going to accept Syrians, then it should be the Christians and Yazidis. I say no to any Syrian Muslims in Hawaii. I don't like the possibility of them bringing any that fucking jihadist filth here.
And to any of you 2aHawaii members that want Ige to ship 'em in: Let them stay at your house if you're so eager for them to be in Hawaii. See how that works out for you. You might want to watch your daughters, though. The mainstream media isn't reporting it, but Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe, with the nearly all rapes being committed by Muslim men on white Swedish women.
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Isn't that a little bit of apples vs oranges? We were at war with Japan and Germany but we are not at war with Syria. Syria is have a civil war of sorts, the country as a whole is not our enemy.
You're right we aren't "at war" with Syria. This isn't about "Syria". It's already been proven in Europe that the majority of the "refugees" aren't Syrian.
Whether we like it or not, ISIS is at war with us. It's idiocy of the highest order IMO to bring their soldiers into this country so they can do to us what they did to the French.
All of the agencies responsible for vetting these people have already admitted there is no possible way to screen out ISIS soldiers. The records simply don't exist, anywhere.
You don't bring the enemy to live with you, it's never a good idea.
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The refugees should ALL be women only. So there won't be any left for the males to procreate with.
They should all get a western education too.
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I was watching the news yesterday and obama asked the crowd why we are so afraid of these widows and orphans.
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Ironically...
IIRC In the same newscast I heard a reporter saying there was a gun battle with terrorists and one of them was a woman with an AK shooting people.
When she was cornered, she blew herself up. Anybody remember that story?
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Yeah. Actually that reminds me of a recent knife attack caught on video that was carried out by a mulsim woman.
https://youtu.be/sqtVEYxEELo
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/video-palestinian-muslim-woman-stabs-unsuspecting-israeli-security-guard-at-checkpoint/
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My family immigrated here from Vietnam but this is different. America directly interfered with Vietnam and to a large degree created the refugee crisis. We need to deal with the homeless here in America before helping anyone else.
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who knows that this is a terrible idea! The POTUS have proven time and time again that he does not care about Americans. I do believe that he has forgotten that he works for the USA not the other way around! Why in Gods name has congress not stepped forward the prevent this? I firmly believe that we are on the precipice of a drastic change in the world. Like I said originally my buddy that is stationed in Germany tells me that its getting really bad over there with these people.
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You're right we aren't "at war" with Syria. This isn't about "Syria". It's already been proven in Europe that the majority of the "refugees" aren't Syrian.
Whether we like it or not, ISIS is at war with us. It's idiocy of the highest order IMO to bring their soldiers into this country so they can do to us what they did to the French.
All of the agencies responsible for vetting these people have already admitted there is no possible way to screen out ISIS soldiers. The records simply don't exist, anywhere.
You don't bring the enemy to live with you, it's never a good idea.
I agree that it would be very difficult or basically impossible to filter out every possible terrorist. The thing is either we or someone else will deal with it one way or another. The USA just has the fortune of being separated by a large sea. So what to do with all the ones moving into Europe? Detention camps? I do think we have some obligation to help, I just don't know how.
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Send them home and help them deal with ISIS.
Merkel should not have opened her big mouth and created a stampede across Europe.
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So what to do with all the ones moving into Europe? Detention camps? I do think we have some obligation to help, I just don't know how.
I have a good idea. Give them all gift certificates for a Honey Ham and send them back to Syria! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I have a good idea. Give them all gift certificates for a Honey Ham and send them back to Syria! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Now that's really keeping the Christmas spirit alive.
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Now that's really keeping the Christmas spirit alive.
You guys are AWESOME I think we could be friends!!!!
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Now that's really keeping the Christmas spirit alive.
:thumbsup:
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I agree that it would be very difficult or basically impossible to filter out every possible terrorist. The thing is either we or someone else will deal with it one way or another. The USA just has the fortune of being separated by a large sea. So what to do with all the ones moving into Europe? Detention camps? I do think we have some obligation to help, I just don't know how.
This might not be feasible due to the numbers involved but if they performed lie detector tests on all people seeking refugee status then I would be ok with letting them in.
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This might not be feasible due to the numbers involved but if they performed lie detector tests on all people seeking refugee status then I would be ok with letting them in.
Won't happen.
Ask yourself, what benefits do these refugees offer us? What do we get out of letting them into the country?
Also, ask yourself why this is happening now? For over 3 years, the US did nothing while hundreds of thousands of Syrians were slaughtered. What did Obama do? From what I've read, it's obvious he was arming the rebels to overthrow Bashar al-Assad.
Those rebels became ISIS.
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Won't happen.
Ask yourself, what benefits do these refugees offer us? What do we get out of letting them into the country?
Also, ask yourself why this is happening now? For over 3 years, the US did nothing while hundreds of thousands of Syrians were slaughtered. What did Obama do? From what I've read, it's obvious he was arming the rebels to overthrow Bashar al-Assad.
Those rebels became ISIS.
Why don't you think it won't happen?
What do we get from letting them in our country? We get the benefit of helping people in need. We get the benefit of leadership by example. We also get more Syrian restaurants ;)
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Why don't you think it won't happen?
What do we get from letting them in our country? We get the benefit of helping people in need. We get the benefit of leadership by example. We also get more Syrian restaurants ;)
Because our government doesn't have the equipment or trained manpower to screen thousands of people in their own language.
We have plenty of people in the US who need help without having to go to other countries to help people for the intangible, emotional "benefits" you listed. When it's said and done, the majority will continue to see us as enemies, and as weak for having aided our enemies.
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Also, ask yourself why this is happening now?
I agree.
We had a chance to save crap load of Yazidis being slaughtered and stuck on a mountain and we didn't bring them all in as refugees.
Why now ?
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I keep hearing people talking about nonviolence and using love to solve this problem :shake:
From America, with Love....and a cup full of hippie vibes too:
(https://i.imgflip.com/uh8aq.jpg)
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I keep hearing people talking about nonviolence and using love to solve this problem :shake:
From America, with Love....and a cup full of hippie vibes too:
Everytime I think of the Coke ad with "I'd like to teach the world to sing," I think of the Muslims.
Muslims won't allow Coca Cola in their country because it's owned by Jews. When I was in Saudi Arabia, it was all Pepsi products.
If you "buy the world a Coke," the Muslims will bash you over the head with it! So much for peace, love and understanding!!
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The terror alert system DHS installed 5 yrs ago, replacing Bush-era color-coded chart, has issued ZERO alerts.
http://www.dhs.gov/national-terrorism-advisory-system
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https://youtu.be/wmaZYeenhmA
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This might not be feasible due to the numbers involved but if they performed lie detector tests on all people seeking refugee status then I would be ok with letting them in.
Here's my test.
If they eat this, and can quote something from the bible, they can stay.
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Are we talking about into the US in general or into Hawaii?
I am really conflicted about this because I know there are a lot of innocent people (including young children) that NEED help.
With that said though... let's look at the posts from Hawaii News Now JUST within the past few days (along with a few other facts):
- City Council members passed the bill Wednesday, which extends Oahu's 0.5 percent tax surcharge from 2022 to 2027 to cover increasing rail costs.
- Overcrowding on Oahu is so bad that when the zipper lane broke, people were stuck in traffic for up to *7 hours*. In Pearl City, it more often than not takes an HOUR+ to get somewhere that should normally be 10 to 15 minutes away.
- A U.S. Housing and Urban Development report released Thursday said there were more than 4,900 homeless in Honolulu - more than ANY OTHER small city in the US
- Lawmaker wants Waianae Harbor homeless encampment cleared. (The camp is over 10 years old. Why now and where will they go?) The homeless camps in town were raided and swept because rich investors want to build another waterfront
- Governor Ige declared a State of Emergency just last month because of the homeless problem.
- The cost of a STUDIO apartment in the ghetto costs is over $1,000/month.
... and yet Gov. Ige says Hawaii would welcome Syrian refugees with open arms here.
WHERE would they live?
HOW would we be able to afford their housing, healthcare, education (for the children), and grocery costs??
WHAT important programs or funding will we have to cut to be able to afford it?
Are they going to be allowed access to our military bases for specific care or if military families offered to help?
Is there a plan in place or do they just plan on winging it?
Yes, we ARE the Aloha State and we should find a way to help them, but these are VALID concerns!
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Now, regarding the mainland, there definitely is room.. but I wish the government wouldn't lie about being able to check each and every refugee. There is NO WAY they can possibly check out each and every single one of them as thoroughly as needed to find if they have any affiliations with terrorist groups. Claiming it is dangerous because it gives people a false sense of security. Sleeper cells are already here in the US and I do think they'll be able to slip a few more in with the refugees. The question then becomes - would the possibility of one or more sleeper cells passing in trump the help that the mainland could offer all of those families?
Unfortunately, the issue is a double edged sword any way you look at it.
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I heard one interesting solution on Facebook today. Make a camp/small city for them in Alaska far away from anything else.
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I heard one interesting solution on Facebook today. Make a camp/small city for them in Alaska far away from anything else.
yeah or follow in Chinas foot steps, find a island and build. :thumbsup:
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If I learn there are Syrian refugees, mostly males, arriving in Hawaii, I feel the need to welcome them when they land with a sign they ought to understand:
(http://i.imgur.com/D76MbDa.jpg)
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If I learn there are Syrian refugees, mostly males, arriving in Hawaii, I feel the need to welcome them when they land with a sign they ought to understand:
(http://i.imgur.com/D76MbDa.jpg)
Too bad Arabic is written and read right to left.
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A friend living in Washington said they received their first 25.
They were all greeted in their own language, which hinted that none of them spoke English.
From there, they were treated to cuisine native to their homeland, which is no biggie to me.
However, following their meal, they were then shuttled to their brand new government housing, as it is policy for refugees to automatically be relocated to government housing upon arrival.
Why is this such a big deal?
Right outside of the airport, my friend met an Iraq-war veteran who had been living on the streets for approximately a year, who had received no help from government in the past 3 years whatsoever.
America: Where refugees are more important than veterans.
Enjoy.
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yeah or follow in Chinas foot steps, find a island and build. :thumbsup:
That wouldn't fly with HAwaiian activists I suspect.
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That wouldn't fly with HAwaiian activists I suspect.
Don't be so sure. Kahoolawe would be an IDEAL location for refugees .... :thumbsup:
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Don't be so sure. Kahoolawe would be an IDEAL location for refugees .... :thumbsup:
I can see them now digging up the unexploded ordinance, making IEDs and suicide canoes.
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I can see them now digging up the unexploded ordinance, making IEDs and suicide canoes.
Ban canoes and any other water craft.
Station Coast Guard and Navy patrols off-shore to keep them "contained" (Obama-ism).
Chum the waters to draw in sharks and help motivate refugees to not go in the water.
Let them have the island for the short term. Anyone they blow up would be other refugees. Win-win!! :thumbsup:
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I just watched an interview with a Syrian woman living in Syria, and she stated that many, if not most, of the refugees fleeing her country are MALE.
When asked why the males were fleeing, she said they didn't want to fight in the war.
Glad to know that they care so much for their country that they are willing to fight for it.
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But they will fight for "equal rights" here. The same politicians who would bring them here when they can't control our own problems will then take our rights and give em to them.
The refugees already have more rights than citizens.
DHS: Tracking ‘missing’ refugee violates ‘constitutional rights’
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/11/dhs-tracking-missing-refugee-violates-constitutional-rights/
How is it that they have American Constitutional rights? Certain government agencies are monitoring and tracking citizens daily. What about our Constitutional rights?
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I don't know how any mother could strap a bomb to their own CHILD like it was any normal thing to do.
This is SO f***ed up beyond reasoning, I can't even. They all need to be sterilized.
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The refugees already have more rights than citizens.
DHS: Tracking ‘missing’ refugee violates ‘constitutional rights’
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/11/dhs-tracking-missing-refugee-violates-constitutional-rights/
How is it that they have American Constitutional rights? Certain government agencies are monitoring and tracking citizens daily. What about our Constitutional rights?
Anyone on American soil has constitutional rights.
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I don't know how any mother could strap a bomb to their own CHILD like it was any normal thing to do.
This is SO f***ed up beyond reasoning, I can't even. They all need to be sterilized.
At least it is one less future terrorist.
Sick humor aside of course, I absolutely agree with you.
I guess for them the ends justify the means. What 12 year old doesn't want dozens of virgins?
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Anyone on American soil has constitutional rights.
Let's clarify your statement so it isn't misleading. Any American Citizen (Or a green card alien/naturalized citizen) on American soil (Not a convicted criminal) has full constitutional rights. An American Citizen who is a convicted criminal of a Federal offense has lost some rights therefore they are limited constitutional rights.
An illegal alien on American soil has very limited Constitutional rights. Generally speaking they are only protected by the fifth and fourteenth amendments. But just remember they are here ILLEGALLY which makes them CRIMINALS. So they only have the most basic of what we call human rights.
A refugee who has not received green card/naturalized citizenship can live here live here but is not constitutionally bound to stay here. In other words they are not fully protected by the constitution. In order to legally stay here they have to have their visas renewed continuously. If they are here on a visa then they can enjoy some/most constitutional rights. But the U.S. Government can deny their visa at any time for any reason. And if an alien breaks the law their visa is revoked and they no longer allowed to live in the U.S. So refugees are here illegally until they file paperwork for either legal alien status/visa or citizenship and go through the process and are approved. If not approved they are here illegally and deported.
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I can see them now digging up the unexploded ordinance, making IEDs and suicide canoes.
And, they are always available for target practice if the navy or AF wants to give it a go. :shaka:
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Let's clarify your statement so it isn't misleading. Any American Citizen (Or a green card alien/naturalized citizen) on American soil (Not a convicted criminal) has full constitutional rights. An American Citizen who is a convicted criminal of a Federal offense has lost some rights therefore they are limited constitutional rights.
An illegal alien on American soil has very limited Constitutional rights. Generally speaking they are only protected by the fifth and fourteenth amendments. But just remember they are here ILLEGALLY which makes them CRIMINALS. So they only have the most basic of what we call human rights.
A refugee who has not received green card/naturalized citizenship can live here live here but is not constitutionally bound to stay here. In other words they are not fully protected by the constitution. In order to legally stay here they have to have their visas renewed continuously. If they are here on a visa then they can enjoy some/most constitutional rights. But the U.S. Government can deny their visa at any time for any reason. And if an alien breaks the law their visa is revoked and they no longer allowed to live in the U.S. So refugees are here illegally until they file paperwork for either legal alien status/visa or citizenship and go through the process and are approved. If not approved they are here illegally and deported.
I meant that an illegal alien walking down the street still has most of the rights granted by our constitution. They still have the right to the 1st amendment, the right to habeas corpus, the 4th amendment and more. For starters, the government cannot require that you prove you are a citizen before exercising most rights. Secondly, even if they knew you were an illegal alien and just weren't deporting you yet, does not mean that you don't get any of these rights. The supreme court ruled that the guantanamo detainees had the right to habeas corpus. One of their justifications was that they we being detained on what is technically american soil.
Obviously when someone is arrested or in jail they lose some of their rights.
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I meant that.....
You might have meant it, but you didn't say it so no one here knew what you meant. Making blanket statements that can be taken many different ways is not such a good thing when you mean something more specific as you just stated. Just trying to understand what it was that you were inferring with your original blanket statement.
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You might have meant it, but you didn't say it so no one here knew what you meant. Making blanket statements that can be taken many different ways is not such a good thing when you mean something more specific as you just stated. Just trying to understand what it was that you were inferring with your original blanket statement.
In the context of the post I was quoting I believe it makes sense. The point was not to discuss which rights illegal aliens have but that merely being on American soil imparts them with (some) constitutional rights. That is to say that being an illegal alien does not mean you have no rights.
If not, then well sorry for the confusion.