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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: eyeeatingfish on December 17, 2015, 05:10:31 PM
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During the republican debate Ted Cruz gave some statistics on some sort of phone number searching capability. Rubio replied by implying that was classified and he shouldn't have shared that.
It isn't yet clear whether what he said was actually classified, but how will he stand in the face of such a charge when he spoke so strongly against Clinton over a similar allegation?
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/did-ted-cruz-reveal-classified-information-gop-debate-n481076
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wouldn't access to a phone book or google be a phone number searching capability?
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That's one of the most ridiculous accusations I have ever seen. Definitely politically motivated because Cruz is in the second spot. How classified is the information if we can search 30% or 100% of the meta data? I wouldn't believe them if they told me only 30% and I would have assumed myself it was 100%. How stupid does our government really think we are?
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That's one of the most ridiculous accusations I have ever seen. Definitely politically motivated because Cruz is in the second spot. How classified is the information if we can search 30% or 100% of the meta data? I wouldn't believe them if they told me only 30% and I would have assumed myself it was 100%. How stupid does our government really think we are?
If it turns out this wasn't classified information then there is no issue. We can debate whether such information should have been classified or not of course, but if it turns out that it was classified then the bottom line is that Ted Cruz broke the law. (unless he has authority to decide what classified information to release)
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to hell with the NSA bullshit, they shouldn't even exist in the first place and using ex parte trails in secret courts is the biggest load of crap ever.
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If it turns out this wasn't classified information then there is no issue. We can debate whether such information should have been classified or not of course, but if it turns out that it was classified then the bottom line is that Ted Cruz broke the law. (unless he has authority to decide what classified information to release)
The point I was trying to make is that classified or not, this is such a minor thing I do not see how the release of this information can hurt us in any way. All they are doing right now is searching to see if someone else released the exact same classified information before Cruz did. The DOJ is not investigating and not even considering this a breech of information. The only people concerned with this are those that would benefit to get rid of Cruz as a presidential candidate. Again purely politically motivated.
To put it succinctly it is a non issue.
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If Cruz has to go, then Joe Biden should have gone long ago!!
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If Cruz has to go, then Joe Biden should have gone long ago!!
make sure to throw john mccain and chuck schumer on the same bus while they're at it.
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make sure to throw john mccain and chuck schumer on the same bus while they're at it.
Geraldo Rivera can be the driver, too!
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Hilary is the worst of the bunch! Did you forget about her? :rofl:
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Hilary is the worst of the bunch! Did you forget about her? :rofl:
No, she's under investigation. So far, she's the only one of the bunch to have screwed the pooch bad enough to garner the FBI's direct attention.
She's so far beneath the others in terms of integrity and protection of national security, it would not be fair to hold her out up as a yardstick by which others are compared!
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What about our 'dear leader?' telegraphing every fricken move we attempt to do to fight the enemy?
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The premise of the OP about leaking classified intelligence is fucking stupid. The Washington Compost ALREADY mentioned the fact that less than 30% of calls are collected: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-is-collecting-less-than-30-percent-of-us-call-data-officials-say/2014/02/07/234a0e9e-8fad-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-is-collecting-less-than-30-percent-of-us-call-data-officials-say/2014/02/07/234a0e9e-8fad-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html)
Where are the calls, then, to go after the Post, huh? This is nothing more than a political witch hunt designed to go after the candidate the GOP establishment and liberal media hate almost as much as Trump. Besides, the Senate Intel Cmte. said they're not investigated jack shit!
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The point I was trying to make is that classified or not, this is such a minor thing I do not see how the release of this information can hurt us in any way. All they are doing right now is searching to see if someone else released the exact same classified information before Cruz did. The DOJ is not investigating and not even considering this a breech of information. The only people concerned with this are those that would benefit to get rid of Cruz as a presidential candidate. Again purely politically motivated.
To put it succinctly it is a non issue.
I agree, it certainly isn't something that seems that worthy of protected status but in the end, if it turns out he released classified information, then attacks he makes against Clinton for classified information violations are going to be tainted.
But to be fair, if we are going to rate whether the information released is really that sensitive, then shouldn't we also consider whether the information Hillary released is sensitive or not?
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I agree, it certainly isn't something that seems that worthy of protected status but in the end, if it turns out he released classified information, then attacks he makes against Clinton for classified information violations are going to be tainted.
But to be fair, if we are going to rate whether the information released is really that sensitive, then shouldn't we also consider whether the information Hillary released is sensitive or not?
If you truly believe accidentally speaking information that might be classified is the same as the Secretary of State having a private email server for at least 6 years with classified information on it that affected national security, then you must not have had to deal with classified data.
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If you truly believe accidentally speaking information that might be classified is the same as the Secretary of State having a private email server for at least 6 years with classified information on it that affected national security, then you must not have had to deal with classified data.
Clearly they are not the same but it still brings his position into question. Certainly his opponents might use it to claim he is a hypocrite.
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Clearly they are not the same but it still brings his position into question. Certainly his opponents might use it to claim he is a hypocrite.
No, it does not bring his position into question unless you are looking for any amount of mud to sling his way. Even if the media try to use it, it will not grow legs without more proof he did something wrong. One candidate saying he may have erred is not a statement of fact.
If his opponents call him hypocrite, all he has to say is, "I would draw comparisons between these accusations against me and Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server to store classified data, but that would be inappropriate while she is still the subject of an FBI investigation."
People in glass houses usually know better ....
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I listened again to this exchange this morning. Nobody is considering that Marco Rubio could have lied about the classified information. Cruz accused him of lying about something else just a few minutes earlier as well. And Marco Rubio had some pretty good reasons to sling some mud at Cruz as Cruz was making him look pretty bad. The Senate Intelligence Committee is not even looking into it. So as I said before, it is a non issue.
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Hillary wont admit to classified material as well as Americans killed under her watch.
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Hillary wont admit to classified material as well as Americans killed under her watch.
My ex won't admit she cheated on me with my best friend, oh wait, wrong forum! :oops: :oops: :oops:
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No, he can think about it after HRC is indicted, convicted and incarcerated for mishandling classified material.