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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: Dumbgun on December 22, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
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Had some errands to do. So i thought i would get some protesting in.
1. Bought flowers for my graves.
2. Put flowers on my parents graves
3. Went shopping at Costco.
4. Had coffee at Starbucks.
Wore a holster and nobody noticed or commented. Probably because there was no pistol. If I can find my tanker holster I'll protest with that. More noticeable.
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Had some errands to do. So i thought i would get some protesting in.
1. Bought flowers for my graves.
2. Put flowers on my parents graves
3. Went shopping at Costco.
4. Had coffee at Starbucks.
Wore a holster and nobody noticed or commented. Probably because there was no pistol. If I can find my tanker holster I'll protest with that. More noticeable.
Sorry, I am not computer inclined. Pictures was posted up right from phone to computer. Don't know why the orientation got screwed up. Just tilt your head.
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Nice Flojos.
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Nice Flojos.
Teva. Gave up slippas. These suckers is crazy comfortable.
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I did this before. Carried my empty holster all over, in stores, Mcd's, gas station, and other places..... Can you guess where I was scolded about it?????
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I did this before. Carried my empty holster all over, in stores, Mcd's, gas station, and other places..... Can you guess where I was scolded about it?????
at home by mrs. heavies?
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at home by mrs. heavies?
:rofl: Negative.... Here's a hint.... The one place where you would think you would wear a holster....
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:rofl: Negative.... Here's a hint.... The one place where you would think you would wear a holster....
range? Hpd?
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Hmmmm. One of two would be my guess.... 1st go would be the Range... or two a LGS. :crazy:
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range? Hpd?
BINGO! :thumbsup:
I was at the silly side. I had my rig on just to use the mag holders, left the holster on, never holstered my weapon.... Got scolded. Said didn't want people to get the wrong idea. ??? (what 'wrong idea' is that?) OK, no prob, I never argue with the range master, so I removed my holster....
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Nice Flojos.
You know you're a blala when you where slippahs and socks.............. :wave:
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What knife are you running?
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What knife are you running?
Boker plus on one side of blade and COYE on other. Funny, my family and kaiser ER is the only ones who ask me not to wear it. Yet are the first ones to ask to use it. I don't trust folders and was the most harmless fixed I could find.
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You know you're a blala when you where slippahs and socks.............. :wave:
Im a free man who does who what he wants within the confines of established law. I care not what others think of my dress or style. I wear the socks to keep crap out of my toes, I wear the sandals because there comfortable. I won't spend money on clothing because they are in style/fashionable or what others say I should be wearing. I don't wear clothes with brand names displayed. Why should I pay for advertising some other person/company brand. Enriching them. Im sure your joking. But people telling me I should fit in and do what they do, reallllllly. Gets me going.
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Im a free man who does who what he wants within the confines of established law. I care not what others think of my dress or style. I wear the socks to keep crap out of my toes, I wear the sandals because there comfortable. I won't spend money on clothing because they are in style/fashionable or what others say I should be wearing. I don't wear clothes with brand names displayed. Why should I pay for advertising some other person/company brand. Enriching them. Im sure your joking. But people telling me I should fit in and do what they do, reallllllly. Gets me going.
I am joking, but with this explanation I considered poking the bear/hornets nest again. ;)
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Boker plus on one side of blade and COYE on other. Funny, my family and kaiser ER is the only ones who ask me not to wear it. Yet are the first ones to ask to use it. I don't trust folders and was the most harmless fixed I could find.
Sorry to hijack your thread, but how do you like it? How does it hold an edge? Been looking for a good fixed. I use my knives heavily, and I need a pretty tough knife. I need to cut through many tough materials quite often, and it is difficult to find a good knife at a reasonable price. I don't want to spend $2-300 on a knife that is going to be used so very severely. I had been considering the Bradford Guardian, but your Boker Plus looks like a good value.
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Sorry to hijack your thread, but how do you like it? How does it hold an edge? Been looking for a good fixed. I use my knives heavily, and I need a pretty tough knife. I need to cut through many tough materials quite often, and it is difficult to find a good knife at a reasonable price. I don't want to spend $2-300 on a knife that is going to be used so very severely. I had been considering the Bradford Guardian, but your Boker Plus looks like a good value.
Got it For $60.00 plus. I use it almost daily for minor cutting. Takes edge pretty good, But, I have not torture tested it. The handle is kind of small for me. Thats why I carry it butt first in the reverse grip position. When I grab it traditional style not enough surface for my hand to employ for heavy cutting. Chopping is out. Basically I use it as a pen knife. Easy to carry and access. And if need be. Present for self defense. Slash and jab. Primary purpose for me was a displayable, useable tool Relatively cheap in case I have to use it for SD. My preferred blade is a USMC Kbar. have had mine since 1987. Cost me $30.00 bucks at twenty nine palms PX. I don't proclaim myself an expert, Just your above average know it all.
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I found my tanker/shoulder holster will be protesting and trying to spread the good word at stadium mall starbucks. I will be there from 1200pm-1245pm. I then have to go to work. Look for the handsome guy wearing a black leather shoulder holster. will get coffee and try to get outside table. I am a smoker, Marlboro reds short. So I can walk the 20ft away to smoke easier. I invite those who can make it to show support and stand up for your rights, or just sit and complain about not having those rights. Baker took the biggest stand for us, stand for him now. Let him know that we are out there and we are backing him.
Place: Stadium mall starbucks.
Date: 12/24/15
Time: 1200pm-1245pm
For the comics, No I am not buying. I can barely afford me. No assault/tactical vests. Thats a bit much.
Semper Fi.
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this is awesome :) I dig the spirit. my old neighbor Steve used to do this after Harvey Milk was assassinated and Feinstein started her whole gun ban schtick. He carried a screwdriver in his old WWII leather holster and told anyone who'd listen it was the same as a gun they were both tools. He was the Clark Gable of the neighborhood, his spitting image. All us kids looked up to him. Now it's our turn to uphold the 2A.
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BINGO! :thumbsup:
I was at the silly side. I had my rig on just to use the mag holders, left the holster on, never holstered my weapon.... Got scolded. Said didn't want people to get the wrong idea. ??? (what 'wrong idea' is that?) OK, no prob, I never argue with the range master, so I removed my holster....
Not to hijack the thread, but there was anther thread related to the RSOs at Kokohead and how "unappreciated" they were and that everyone should know the rules. Can someone from the RSO community please share where the rule against empty holsters is located? I'd like to follow up on that....
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So you cant wear certain items at a city park? 1st amendment anyone?
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Where can I get that?
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Amazon has them for 12 bucks
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Amazon has them for 12 bucks
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004NR8WBK/?tag=2ahawaii-20
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3rd attempt too post. computers.... At stadium starbucks. got coffee several solo bike officers here. None notice or concerned. Got my coffee and am outside at table
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You wear that down here and someone might freak out and call the police............you know you wearing that deadly weapon and all........... :shake:
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I don't think the general public here in Hawaii knows what a holster would look like.
I remember in my high school days...late 80-90s that wearing leather cross shouldered holster look-alikes were the fashion. So were Cavaricci and those white "G" shoes.
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I don't think the general public here in Hawaii knows what a holster would look like.
I remember in my high school days...late 80-90s that wearing leather cross shouldered holster look-alikes were the fashion. So were Cavaricci and those white "G" shoes.
I think your right. the Officers either didn't notice or did not want to be bothered. The people inside was most likely clueless. One uniformed air force NCO noticed, he looked, then walked out. He had a "its not my problem look on his face" I wanted to be obvious but not too obvious. I wasn't hiding the fact that I was wearing it nor did I stick it in anyones face. Civilians most likely thought it was a kooky phone holster
It was just me. i was hoping at least one other would show up. For awhile at least. But i guess people are too busy installing there $1000.00 scopes or installing some bullshit 1lb trigger. Don't say you were at work, I was at work and made time.
I felt like I was in High Noon and I'm Gary COOPER.
I'm not a protester. I'm the "gun nut."
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Went to Mcd and gas station here with my MAC shouldered today, everybody noticed it. "Open Carry".
Went to a pretty bad neighborhood.
:o This is their reaction but nobody really cares.
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Went to Mcd and gas station here with my MAC shouldered today, everybody noticed it. "Open Carry".
Went to a pretty bad neighborhood.
:o This is their reaction but nobody really cares.
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q294/M1A_album/MakSkatterRig/MakSkatter380015.jpg)
Cool Suka. Wish we could open carry in the 808 :'(
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Most times people would walk up and complement me for carrying .. Really good looking MILF and her 10 year old said hello once. 1 am at a gas stop..
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Sorry to hijack your thread, but how do you like it? How does it hold an edge? Been looking for a good fixed. I use my knives heavily, and I need a pretty tough knife. I need to cut through many tough materials quite often, and it is difficult to find a good knife at a reasonable price. I don't want to spend $2-300 on a knife that is going to be used so very severely. I had been considering the Bradford Guardian, but your Boker Plus looks like a good value.
Check out the Fallkniven F1. It is a real nice knife, good steel (VG-10) and is beefy enough to stand up to abuse. You can get them new for under $200. I picked one up used for $100 once, great knife. There are probably hundreds of knives in the range you are talking about. Spyderco makes a couple nice EDC fixed blades. If you want I am an amateur knife maker and I could make you one to your specific design.
[img][/http://www.fallkniven.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/F1blz_4ab9ee6e0db41.jpgimg]
http://www.fallkniven.com/en/shop/details/372/24/fixed-blades/survival-knives/f1bz
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I think your right. the Officers either didn't notice or did not want to be bothered. The people inside was most likely clueless. One uniformed air force NCO noticed, he looked, then walked out. He had a "its not my problem look on his face" I wanted to be obvious but not too obvious. I wasn't hiding the fact that I was wearing it nor did I stick it in anyones face. Civilians most likely thought it was a kooky phone holster
It was just me. i was hoping at least one other would show up. For awhile at least. But i guess people are too busy installing there $1000.00 scopes or installing some bullshit 1lb trigger. Don't say you were at work, I was at work and made time.
I felt like I was in High Noon and I'm Gary COOPER.
I'm not a protester. I'm the "gun nut."
Thank you for standing up. I am sure others wanted to join. It is difficult to organize a protest on a short notice. Keep up the good work!!! I've found that stubbornness and almost blind devotion is key in this fight!
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:thumbsup:
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I make holsters (and knife sheaths, etc). I could wear an empty holster, but how about a holster with a "training" gun? "Blue gun", holster mold, whatever you want to call it. A molded replica piece of solid plastic in a bright color like green or blue. Would that be a little TOO REAL?
Thoughts?
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http://www.blueguns.com/default.asp?
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I make holsters (and knife sheaths, etc). I could wear an empty holster, but how about a holster with a "training" gun? "Blue gun", holster mold, whatever you want to call it. A molded replica piece of solid plastic in a bright color like green or blue. Would that be a little TOO REAL?
Thoughts?
There are ordinances which prohibit carrying or brandishing a replica firearm in public. Definition of "replica" is something that is not readily distinguishable from a real firearm, such as many air soft models.
As long as the training guns are obviously not real, there shouldn't be any LEGAL problems.
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There are ordinances which prohibit carrying or brandishing a replica firearm in public. Definition of "replica" is something that is not readily distinguishable from a real firearm, such as many air soft models.
As long as the training guns are obviously not real, there shouldn't be any LEGAL problems.
I wonder if we staged an ACTUAL protest at the state capitol, if we would get in trouble for holstering a composite/plastic training gun?
Training guns tend to be red/blue/orange in color, so it would be hard to not know it was real.
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Awesome! Isn't that setup a little lighter than the S&W the cops use to carry?
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I wonder if we staged an ACTUAL protest at the state capitol, if we would get in trouble for holstering a composite/plastic training gun?
Training guns tend to be red/blue/orange in color, so it would be hard to not know it was real.
That's what I was replying to -- MauiLeatherWork's question about using a blue gun.
As long as the object is distinguishable from a real firearm by a "reasonable person", then the object is not considered a replica, and it is therefore legal to have visible in public.
100 people with holsters and training guns, however, could be viewed as an attempt to terrorize the Sheeple of this docile state.
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I make holsters (and knife sheaths, etc). I could wear an empty holster, but how about a holster with a "training" gun? "Blue gun", holster mold, whatever you want to call it. A molded replica piece of solid plastic in a bright color like green or blue. Would that be a little TOO REAL?
Thoughts?
I think that is too much too soon. The idea is for the non shooting public too see that we are out among them and we are obeying the laws. We want them too get comfortable with the idea that we are no threat to the general public. My model is the gay movement. They came out slow and saw they weren't alone and others became unafraid. Next thing you know same sex is legal. So maybe same thing could happen with CCW. I suggest wearing just an empty holster. Do not give the HPD/politicians reason to make a law to forbid. Be it a belt holster, shoulder holster or a rappel holster. No Tactical/Assault vest. someone will think you are a terrorist or impersonating a Police Officer. Totally honest. There will always be one amongst us that is a nut job and will fuck it up. My goal is to ease the non shooters into being tolerant. So best behavior If you decide to do it. Would have been nice if people did it while the "O" was here. especially with all the mainland and foreign news people here. But I am only one man and I usually stand alone and apart.
Best thing about my protest. It is free, no elections, no dues. And anyone can do it at anytime, anywhere. All you have to do is strap on your holster and go shopping,dinner, Take the kids to the park. Don't talk about willing too fight for your rights and quoting slogans that others have said. Get out and do. Or post here pointing out the obvious and doing nothing. Just like all our elected officials.
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[quote author=Dumbgun link=topic=21427.msg192954#msg192954 date=1451033387
It was just me. i was hoping at least one other would show up. For awhile at least. But i guess people are too busy installing there $1000.00 scopes or installing some bullshit 1lb trigger. Don't say you were at work, I was at work and made time.
I felt like I was in High Noon and I'm Gary COOPER.
I'm not a protester. I'm the "gun nut."
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You posted your call to action after 6pm on the 23rd for an event that you scheduled for noon on the 24th. That's less than 18 hours' notice. And your event lasted a whole 45 minutes. You're sure that berating everyone else on the forum is the most productive way to increase participation?
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That's what I was replying to -- MauiLeatherWork's question about using a blue gun.
As long as the object is distinguishable from a real firearm by a "reasonable person", then the object is not considered a replica, and it is therefore legal to have visible in public.
100 people with holsters and training guns, however, could be viewed as an attempt to terrorize the Sheeple of this docile state.
What if we used the power drill set up?
I think now is the time to capitalize on all the attention on firearms. You know our state officials will try and emulate obama with their own legislation.
If we ever wanted to organize something, now would be the time.
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if nobody knows what you are wearing, is it really a protest.
now see the "genius" of old Steve's protest - a clearly identifiable gun holster + screwdriver / tool. I think makes the point to most maybe not immediately but for sure later.
anyways, most times the cops brought him home until they got tired of it and said quit it or go to the pokey and that was it.
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now see the "genius" of old Steve's protest - a clearly identifiable gun holster + screwdriver / tool. I think makes the point to most maybe not immediately but for sure later.
Unless you hold a sign or explain to people that a power tool is all you can use to defend yourself in Hawaii.
My sign would read:
"Self-Protection? Don't worry; HPD will be there in 45 minutes to save you."
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if nobody knows what you are wearing, is it really a protest.
now see the "genius" of old Steve's protest - a clearly identifiable gun holster + screwdriver / tool. I think makes the point to most maybe not immediately but for sure later.
anyways, most times the cops brought him home until they got tired of it and said quit it or go to the pokey and that was it.
In a post elsewhere about the new Texas open carry law, people were holstered up with cardboard cutouts of their gun in the holster. Not painted or colored in any way, obviously just cardboard.
Just a suggestion.
I don't think a plain cardboard cutout could be confused with a real or facsimile firearm {Although there are few heights of stupidity that surprise me anymore} and so, little excuse for HPD to harass anyone.
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The legislative session is starting in 18 days. That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day?
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The legislative session is starting in 18 days. That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day?
If you plan it, we will come :geekdanc:
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The legislative session is starting in 18 days. That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day?
What's the planned message ?
Concealed carry ?
Open carry ?
Don't tread on me ?
If you plan it, we will come :geekdanc:
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What's the planned message ?
Concealed carry ?
Open carry ?
Don't tread on me ?
I can personally say that I've seen a major shift in Hawai'i's firearm attitude, compared to December 2012.
More people are saying that people should be able to arm themselves,
More people are semi to strongly pro-gun,
More people are putting less faith in HPD to protect them, and would rather protect themselves.
Maybe it's time to organize that mass CCW application we had always hoped for, and then make our way down to the state capitol with our drill holsters and signs.
It's obvious the news stations will show up, so why not go for it now when people actually care about it, rather than when people don't or are scared by the establishment to believe the opposite.
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[quote author=Dumbgun link=topic=21427.msg192954#msg192954 date=1451033387
It was just me. i was hoping at least one other would show up. For awhile at least. But i guess people are too busy installing there $1000.00 scopes or installing some bullshit 1lb trigger. Don't say you were at work, I was at work and made time.
I felt like I was in High Noon and I'm Gary COOPER.
I'm not a protester. I'm the "gun nut."
You posted your call to action after 6pm on the 23rd for an event that you scheduled for noon on the 24th. That's less than 18 hours' notice. And your event lasted a whole 45 minutes. You're sure that berating everyone else on the forum is the most productive way to increase participation?
Thats the time I had available. Like everyone else with kaiser/straub, I was running all over the place trying to get a Dr. note. took up all the time I had allotted for buying, registering and shooting the pistol, Now even if I get the pistol my time is used up. Back to work. I can't move time around anymore. I live in Waipahu and I too was busy with the holidays, work, family duties and Personal tragedy. Yet I made time before work to try and get the ball rolling. My hope was at least one person would show for coffee. I had my coffee amongst the solo bike officers, with nary a word from officers or civilians. Point being is I did something with the time available. When I did the interview I was also busy helping my sister move her furniture. Yet, when the reporter said they needed me to go on camera, I made the time. I got to the studio dirty,sweaty and tired. I made the time.
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I make holsters (and knife sheaths, etc). I could wear an empty holster, but how about a holster with a "training" gun? "Blue gun", holster mold, whatever you want to call it. A molded replica piece of solid plastic in a bright color like green or blue. Would that be a little TOO REAL?
Thoughts?
I like edster's suggestion for cardboard instead of blue gun. anything that too closely resembles a gun is enough probable cause for trouble IMO.
hang in there dumbgun, the wheels are turning!
edit: and true that mauidog. just goes to show how stupid some things are nowadays.
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I like edster's suggestion for cardboard instead of blue gun. anything that too closely resembles a gun is enough probable cause for trouble IMO.
hang in there dumbgun, the wheels are turning!
Then I guess Pop-tarts chewed into a gun shape is out of the question?
>:D
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The legislative session is starting in 18 days. That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day?
I'm in.
If you're serious Tom, we need to start rolling on this NOW. Since opening day is on a Wednesday, people will need to get the day off.
My suggestion for a "theme" would be CCW/open carry modeled on the Texas law, the one where thousands of people DIDN'T die when legally armed citizens were able to carry openly.
The opening day of the legislature is a GREAT idea, virtually guaranteeing media coverage and setting the tone regarding gun control for this session.
Let's DO this ladies and gentlemen!
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I'm in.
If you're serious Tom, we need to start rolling on this NOW. Since opening day is on a Wednesday, people will need to get the day off.
My suggestion for a "theme" would be CCW/open carry modeled on the Texas law, the one where thousands of people DIDN'T die when legally armed citizens were able to carry openly.
The opening day of the legislature is a GREAT idea, virtually guaranteeing media coverage and setting the tone regarding gun control for this session.
Let's DO this ladies and gentlemen!
Is this the opening day where all the offices are open and you can meet your representatives?
Let me know the date and I'll request off.
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Is this the opening day where all the offices are open and you can meet your representatives?
Let me know the date and I'll request off.
January 20th, Wednesday.
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Thats the time I had available. Like everyone else with kaiser/straub, I was running all over the place trying to get a Dr. note. took up all the time I had allotted for buying, registering and shooting the pistol, Now even if I get the pistol my time is used up. Back to work. I can't move time around anymore. I live in Waipahu and I too was busy with the holidays, work, family duties and Personal tragedy. Yet I made time before work to try and get the ball rolling. My hope was at least one person would show for coffee. I had my coffee amongst the solo bike officers, with nary a word from officers or civilians. Point being is I did something with the time available. When I did the interview I was also busy helping my sister move her furniture. Yet, when the reporter said they needed me to go on camera, I made the time. I got to the studio dirty,sweaty and tired. I made the time.
I'm not knocking you for making the time. I'm thankful that you did! I'm knocking you for knocking us after not giving us a chance to participate.
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I'm in.
If you're serious Tom, we need to start rolling on this NOW. Since opening day is on a Wednesday, people will need to get the day off.
My suggestion for a "theme" would be CCW/open carry modeled on the Texas law, the one where thousands of people DIDN'T die when legally armed citizens were able to carry openly.
The opening day of the legislature is a GREAT idea, virtually guaranteeing media coverage and setting the tone regarding gun control for this session.
Let's DO this ladies and gentlemen!
The last time we tried this, like 6 people showed up. The previous time, we had a good turnout, but that was in conjunction with a national movement, as I recall.
There isn't sufficient time to get a permit, so we'll have to stick to the sidewalks, I think.
As far as a theme, I think "We support the 2nd amendment, and expect you too as well" is good.
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I'm in. I can be there from 9am to 1pm
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We can stick to the sidewalk for sign waving.
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I'm in.
But I kind of like the ccw/open carry theme.
When seconds count, police are only minutes away.
If we protest to support the 2nd Amendment we're not advancing anything. Just playing defense.
What else are they gonna ban in Hawaii.
Background checks for all gun sales ? Check. We already have it.
10 round mag limit for handguns ? Check. We already have it.
No gun violence ? Check. We don't have almost any.
"Assault weapons" ban ? 10 round mag limit period ? Damn there's an area of concern that could fall under the general 2A flag.
What's coming up on the legislative agenda ? Any anti-2A bills we can protest ?
Just my 2 cent opinion.
I don't know what others think and I'm on board with whatever whoever organizes this decides.
Main thing we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with backlash whatever we decide.
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I'm in.
But I kind of like the ccw/open carry theme.
When seconds count, police are only minutes away.
If we protest to support the 2nd Amendment we're not advancing anything. Just playing defense.
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Main thing we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with backlash whatever we decide.
You can put whatever you want on your sign or banner, it all falls under the 2nd Amendment. For that matter just show up to protest the infringement of ALL of our Constitutional rights by our government!
Pardon me but, F*ck the "backlash". It's time to go on offense and stop losing our rights inch by inch.
I say we be as "offensive" as legally possible. 8)
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You can put whatever you want on your sign or banner, it all falls under the 2nd Amendment. For that matter just show up to protest the infringement of ALL of our Constitutional rights by our government!
Pardon me but, F*ck the "backlash". It's time to go on offense and stop losing our rights inch by inch.
I say we be as "offensive" as legally possible. 8)
I hear ya.
And I'll show up.
But what are we protesting ?
How we gonna protest the infringement of all our Rights ?
We're gonna look like a group of anti-government crazies. Which we're not as far as I know.
Idealism is admirable. But realism can be successful.
As far as 2A ? Does anyone know of any 2A restriction bills planned for this legislative session ?
Because then we could put some focus to this.
Otherwise we're just standing there asking them not to change anything.
Are we gonna shotgun this thing and try to get all our rights back with a symbolic Hail Mary.
Or are we gonna aim with some precision and try to get one Right back that we should already have.
And win our Rights back inch by inch.
I still say CCW should be the focus.
And you're right. Anyone can put anything they want on their sign.
But United we stand.......
And backlash can be a Bitch...
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I can personally say that I've seen a major shift in Hawai'i's firearm attitude, compared to December 2012.
More people are saying that people should be able to arm themselves,
More people are semi to strongly pro-gun,
More people are putting less faith in HPD to protect them, and would rather protect themselves.
Maybe it's time to organize that mass CCW application we had always hoped for, and then make our way down to the state capitol with our drill holsters and signs.
It's obvious the news stations will show up, so why not go for it now when people actually care about it, rather than when people don't or are scared by the establishment to believe the opposite.
My FB page Hawaii CCW Initiative has been steadily growing since Feb 2015. Many applications have been submitted, and I hope, turned in to the HRA. I was thinking about doing an other mass effort in Feb this year as an annual thing. Sooner could happen.?.?
www.facebook.com/hawaiiCCWdrive (http://www.facebook.com/hawaiiCCWdrive)
I hear ya.
And I'll show up.
But what are we protesting ?
How we gonna protest the infringement of all our Rights ?
We're gonna look like a group of anti-government crazies. Which we're not as far as I know.
Idealism is admirable. But realism can be successful.
As far as 2A ? Does anyone know of any 2A restriction bills planned for this legislative session ?
Because then we could put some focus to this.
Otherwise we're just standing there asking them not to change anything.
Are we gonna shotgun this thing and try to get all our rights back with a symbolic Hail Mary.
Or are we gonna aim with some precision and try to get one Right back that we should already have.
And win our Rights back inch by inch.
I still say CCW should be the focus.
And you're right. Anyone can put anything they want on their sign.
But United we stand.......
And backlash can be a Bitch...
There are a bunch that will be turned over from last session and new ones guaranteed. I would think this would be to let "them" know that we are here to stay and not willing to budge on the issue. By being proactive might give them pause in introducing new infringements.
Any specific protest would have to come after introduction of certain infringement bills, I would suppose.
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Spotted... Lowe's and Walmart....
Had to do some errands and shopping. Seen a few old friends. Got a few looks, but nothing like people where alarmed.
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_130823_zpsvo8dhyqm.jpg) (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_130823_zpsvo8dhyqm.jpg)
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts about blue guns. I think I will opt for an empty leather holster rather than a screw gun. If I could join you on the 20th, I would. But I'll have to wear my empty holster on Maui. Hope it goes well and you have a large attendance.
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My FB page Hawaii CCW Initiative has been steadily growing since Feb 2015. Many applications have been submitted, and I hope, turned in to the HRA. I was thinking about doing an other mass effort in Feb this year as an annual thing. Sooner could happen.?.?
www.facebook.com/hawaiiCCWdrive (http://www.facebook.com/hawaiiCCWdrive)
There are a bunch that will be turned over from last session and new ones guaranteed. I would think this would be to let "them" know that we are here to stay and not willing to budge on the issue. By being proactive might give them pause in introducing new infringements.
Any specific protest would have to come after introduction of certain infringement bills, I would suppose.
I would say that a-hound is correct, we should focus on CCW/open carry, constitutional carry. In other words, less infringement. Dumbguns empty holster protest should be an integral part of this, to show that law abiding citizens are being left defenseless against armed adversaries.
I think we can count on the Obamatons in the legislature to introduce bills in line with the ideals of the POSTUS this year. We will also probably see some type of bill to change the medical requirements regarding registration due to the Kaiser issue.
I think we should make the Feb. CCW application drive a yearly thing until such a time as a "Shall Issue" law is passed.
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The last time we tried this, like 6 people showed up. The previous time, we had a good turnout, but that was in conjunction with a national movement, as I recall.
There isn't sufficient time to get a permit, so we'll have to stick to the sidewalks, I think.
As far as a theme, I think "We support the 2nd amendment, and expect you too as well" is good.
Yes, approx 200 first time with Guns Across America and then the handful of us the second. There was a couple new people that showed up, we took a picture but it's never been published. Now look Dumgbun standing alone. That's the spirit!
Heavies too - "and so it begins" :D :shaka:
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Spotted... Lowe's and Walmart....
Had to do some errands and shopping. Seen a few old friends. Got a few looks, but nothing like people where alarmed.
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_130823_zpsvo8dhyqm.jpg) (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_130823_zpsvo8dhyqm.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_131039_zpsji0yniz9.jpg) (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_131039_zpsji0yniz9.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_134204_zpsetqecjsa.jpg) (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/20160103_134204_zpsetqecjsa.jpg)
Thanks brother! I don't feel so alone now and a bit saner. Semper Fi.