I wonder if we staged an ACTUAL protest at the state capitol, if we would get in trouble for holstering a composite/plastic training gun?

Training guns tend to be red/blue/orange in color, so it would be hard to not know it was real.

That's what I was replying to -- MauiLeatherWork's question about using a blue gun.

As long as the object is distinguishable from a real firearm by a "reasonable person", then the object is not considered a replica, and it is therefore legal to have visible in public.

100 people with holsters and training guns, however, could be viewed as an attempt to terrorize the Sheeple of this docile state. 

I make holsters (and knife sheaths, etc).  I could wear an empty holster, but how about a holster with a "training" gun?  "Blue gun", holster mold, whatever you want to call it. A molded replica piece of solid plastic in a bright color like green or blue.  Would that be a little TOO REAL?

Thoughts?

I think that is too much too soon. The idea is for the non shooting public too see that we are out among them and we are obeying the laws. We want them too get comfortable with the idea that we are no threat to the general public. My model is the gay movement. They came out slow and saw they weren't alone and others became unafraid. Next thing you know same sex is legal. So  maybe same thing could happen with CCW. I suggest wearing just an empty holster. Do not give the HPD/politicians reason to make a law to forbid. Be it a belt holster, shoulder holster or a rappel holster. No Tactical/Assault vest. someone will think you are a terrorist or impersonating a Police Officer. Totally honest. There will always be one amongst us that is a nut job and will fuck it up. My goal is to ease the non shooters into being tolerant. So best behavior If you decide to do it. Would have been nice if people did it while the "O" was here. especially with all the mainland and foreign news people here. But I am only one man and I usually stand alone and apart.

Best thing about my protest. It is free, no elections, no dues. And anyone can do it at anytime, anywhere. All you have to do is strap on your holster and go shopping,dinner, Take the kids to the park. Don't talk about willing too fight for your rights and quoting slogans that others have said. Get out and do. Or post here pointing out the obvious and doing nothing. Just like all our elected officials.

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It was just me. i was hoping at least one other would show up. For awhile at least. But i guess people are too busy installing there $1000.00 scopes or installing some bullshit 1lb trigger.  Don't say you were at work, I was at work and made time.

I felt like I was in High Noon and I'm Gary COOPER.

I'm not a protester. I'm the "gun nut."
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You posted your call to action after 6pm on the 23rd for an event that you scheduled for noon on the 24th.  That's less than 18 hours' notice.  And your event lasted a whole 45 minutes.  You're sure that berating everyone else on the forum is the most productive way to increase participation? 

That's what I was replying to -- MauiLeatherWork's question about using a blue gun.

As long as the object is distinguishable from a real firearm by a "reasonable person", then the object is not considered a replica, and it is therefore legal to have visible in public.

100 people with holsters and training guns, however, could be viewed as an attempt to terrorize the Sheeple of this docile state.

What if we used the power drill set up?

I think now is the time to capitalize on all the attention on firearms. You know our state officials will try and emulate obama with their own legislation.

If we ever wanted to organize something, now would be the time.

if nobody knows what you are wearing, is it really a protest.

now see the "genius" of old Steve's protest - a clearly identifiable gun holster + screwdriver / tool.  I think makes the point to most maybe not immediately but for sure later.

anyways, most times the cops brought him home until they got tired of it and said quit it or go to the pokey and that was it.

now see the "genius" of old Steve's protest - a clearly identifiable gun holster + screwdriver / tool.  I think makes the point to most maybe not immediately but for sure later.

Unless you hold a sign or explain to people that a power tool is all you can use to defend yourself in Hawaii.

My sign would read:

"Self-Protection? Don't worry; HPD will be there in 45 minutes to save you."

if nobody knows what you are wearing, is it really a protest.

now see the "genius" of old Steve's protest - a clearly identifiable gun holster + screwdriver / tool.  I think makes the point to most maybe not immediately but for sure later.

anyways, most times the cops brought him home until they got tired of it and said quit it or go to the pokey and that was it.

In a post elsewhere about the new Texas open carry law, people were holstered up with cardboard cutouts of their gun in the holster. Not painted or colored in any way, obviously just cardboard.

Just a suggestion.

I don't think a plain cardboard cutout could be confused with a real or facsimile firearm {Although there are few heights of stupidity that surprise me anymore} and so, little excuse for HPD to harass anyone.

The legislative session is starting in 18 days.  That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day? 

The legislative session is starting in 18 days.  That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day?

If you plan it, we will come 

The legislative session is starting in 18 days.  That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day? 

What's the planned message ?
Concealed carry ?
Open carry ?
Don't tread on me ?

If you plan it, we will come 

+1

What's the planned message ?
Concealed carry ?
Open carry ?
Don't tread on me ?

I can personally say that I've seen a major shift in Hawai'i's firearm attitude, compared to December 2012.

More people are saying that people should be able to arm themselves,
More people are semi to strongly pro-gun,
More people are putting less faith in HPD to protect them, and would rather protect themselves.

Maybe it's time to organize that mass CCW application we had always hoped for, and then make our way down to the state capitol with our drill holsters and signs.

It's obvious the news stations will show up, so why not go for it now when people actually care about it, rather than when people don't or are scared by the establishment to believe the opposite.

[quote author=Dumbgun link=topic=21427.msg192954#msg192954 date=1451033387
It was just me. i was hoping at least one other would show up. For awhile at least. But i guess people are too busy installing there $1000.00 scopes or installing some bullshit 1lb trigger.  Don't say you were at work, I was at work and made time.

I felt like I was in High Noon and I'm Gary COOPER.

I'm not a protester. I'm the "gun nut."


You posted your call to action after 6pm on the 23rd for an event that you scheduled for noon on the 24th.  That's less than 18 hours' notice.  And your event lasted a whole 45 minutes.  You're sure that berating everyone else on the forum is the most productive way to increase participation?

Thats the time I had available. Like everyone else with  kaiser/straub, I was running all over the place trying to get a Dr. note. took up all the time I had allotted for buying, registering and shooting the pistol, Now even if I get the pistol my time is used up. Back to work. I can't move time around anymore. I live in Waipahu and I too was busy with the holidays, work, family duties and Personal tragedy. Yet I made time before work to try and get the ball rolling. My hope was at least one person would show for coffee. I had my coffee amongst the solo bike officers, with nary a word from officers or civilians. Point being is I did something with the time available. When I did the interview I was also busy helping my sister move her furniture. Yet, when the reporter said they needed me to go on camera, I made the time. I got to the studio dirty,sweaty and tired. I made the time.

I make holsters (and knife sheaths, etc).  I could wear an empty holster, but how about a holster with a "training" gun?  "Blue gun", holster mold, whatever you want to call it. A molded replica piece of solid plastic in a bright color like green or blue.  Would that be a little TOO REAL?

Thoughts?

I like edster's suggestion for cardboard instead of blue gun.  anything that too closely resembles a gun is enough probable cause for trouble IMO. 

hang in there dumbgun, the wheels are turning!

edit:  and true that mauidog.  just goes to show how stupid some things are nowadays.

I like edster's suggestion for cardboard instead of blue gun.  anything that too closely resembles a gun is enough probable cause for trouble IMO. 

hang in there dumbgun, the wheels are turning!

Then I guess Pop-tarts chewed into a gun shape is out of the question?

 

The legislative session is starting in 18 days.  That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day? 

I'm in.

If you're serious Tom, we need to start rolling on this NOW. Since opening day is on a Wednesday, people will need to get the day off.

My suggestion for a "theme" would be CCW/open carry modeled on the Texas law, the one where thousands of people DIDN'T die when legally armed citizens were able to carry openly.

The opening day of the legislature is a GREAT idea, virtually guaranteeing media coverage and setting the tone regarding gun control for this session.

Let's DO this ladies and gentlemen!

I'm in.

If you're serious Tom, we need to start rolling on this NOW. Since opening day is on a Wednesday, people will need to get the day off.

My suggestion for a "theme" would be CCW/open carry modeled on the Texas law, the one where thousands of people DIDN'T die when legally armed citizens were able to carry openly.

The opening day of the legislature is a GREAT idea, virtually guaranteeing media coverage and setting the tone regarding gun control for this session.

Let's DO this ladies and gentlemen!

Is this the opening day where all the offices are open and you can meet your representatives?
Let me know the date and I'll request off.

Is this the opening day where all the offices are open and you can meet your representatives?
Let me know the date and I'll request off.

January 20th, Wednesday.

Thats the time I had available. Like everyone else with  kaiser/straub, I was running all over the place trying to get a Dr. note. took up all the time I had allotted for buying, registering and shooting the pistol, Now even if I get the pistol my time is used up. Back to work. I can't move time around anymore. I live in Waipahu and I too was busy with the holidays, work, family duties and Personal tragedy. Yet I made time before work to try and get the ball rolling. My hope was at least one person would show for coffee. I had my coffee amongst the solo bike officers, with nary a word from officers or civilians. Point being is I did something with the time available. When I did the interview I was also busy helping my sister move her furniture. Yet, when the reporter said they needed me to go on camera, I made the time. I got to the studio dirty,sweaty and tired. I made the time.

I'm not knocking you for making the time.  I'm thankful that you did!  I'm knocking you for knocking us after not giving us a chance to participate. 

I'm in.

If you're serious Tom, we need to start rolling on this NOW. Since opening day is on a Wednesday, people will need to get the day off.

My suggestion for a "theme" would be CCW/open carry modeled on the Texas law, the one where thousands of people DIDN'T die when legally armed citizens were able to carry openly.

The opening day of the legislature is a GREAT idea, virtually guaranteeing media coverage and setting the tone regarding gun control for this session.

Let's DO this ladies and gentlemen!

The last time we tried this, like 6 people showed up.  The previous time, we had a good turnout, but that was in conjunction with a national movement, as I recall.

There isn't sufficient time to get a permit, so we'll have to stick to the sidewalks, I think. 

As far as a theme, I think "We support the 2nd amendment, and expect you too as well" is good. 

I'm in.  I can be there from 9am to 1pm