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Title: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: macsak on February 16, 2016, 06:58:58 PM
http://khon2.com/2016/02/16/gun-goes-off-in-prosecutors-office-no-report-filed-with-authorities/
 :o
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: RSN172 on February 16, 2016, 07:06:05 PM
That reflects the high level of training our law enforcement people have. ::)
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Mauivigilance on February 16, 2016, 08:18:18 PM
Its cuz theres "nothing to see here folks move along........."  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: whynow? on February 16, 2016, 08:42:42 PM
Believe they described it as misfired  not a negligent discharge as reserved for us subjects.
So much for antis always claiming that they are highly trained and we are not.   The gun fired by itself, again.
Could have been tragic, then HI would have tried to sue Glock or the ammo maker. 
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Mauivigilance on February 16, 2016, 08:47:29 PM
Yup the propper term is negligent discharge. Negligent it sure was. Glad it wasnt a tragic negligent discharge.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: ren on February 16, 2016, 08:51:08 PM
if it was Joe Citizen in his home he would be arrested.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: robtmc on February 16, 2016, 08:52:27 PM
Ah yes, those "highly trained" cops, that the liberals say should be the only ones allowed to be armed.

Funny how they seem to be the ones shooting themselves or others accidentally, so often...............

Wonder how often an alcohol blood test is run after one of the  "accidents"?  Oh, that's right, they be cops, no need for that stuff.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: dirtylickins on February 16, 2016, 09:15:59 PM
It was a 30 year on the job person. So the investigator is investigating themselves... how does that work? Biased much ??? Ridiculous logic
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: paka808 on February 16, 2016, 10:27:04 PM
I still don't understand how you would accidentally fire your weapon while cleaning ???
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Tom on February 16, 2016, 10:37:01 PM
I still don't understand how you would accidentally fire your weapon while cleaning ???

Sure you can.  Rack slide, drop magazine, fire to free the striker. bang.   (just to be clear, the procedure should be : drop mag, rack slide, check chamber, pull trigger to free striker and disassemble).

Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Heavies on February 16, 2016, 10:46:16 PM
You cannot accidentally discharge your weapon.  You CAN negligently discharge your weapon (ie fail to ensure the weapon is free from ammunition in the chamber).   This is no accident, just as it is no accident they fail to allow citizens to exercise their rights to carry for self defense.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Q on February 16, 2016, 11:24:34 PM
Sure you can.  Rack slide, drop magazine, fire to free the striker. bang.   (just to be clear, the procedure should be : drop mag, rack slide, check chamber, pull trigger to free striker and disassemble).

That is called a negligent discharge.

An accident is something out of the operators control, which basically doesn't exist.

The individual handling the firearm should have ensured that the weapon was clear before even handling the firearm in the manner that he did.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: oldfart on February 17, 2016, 01:56:33 AM
They should require that person to take the LIFE class...seriously
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: edster48 on February 17, 2016, 05:29:21 AM
I will never understand this.

The single most important step in cleaning your firearm is making sure it's not loaded. When loading the firearm the single most important step is KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER.

Simple, basic, firearm safety.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: zippz on February 17, 2016, 06:29:52 AM
Sure you can.  Rack slide, drop magazine, fire to free the striker. bang.   (just to be clear, the procedure should be : drop mag, rack slide, check chamber, pull trigger to free striker and disassemble).

Basically Glocks need the trigger pressed in order to disassemble them.  NDs come up once in a while with Glocks durring cleaning.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 17, 2016, 06:31:02 AM
Complacency kills... literally.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: stangzilla on February 17, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
competent firearm owners like officer Fife know to always make sure it's unloaded first.   :thumbsup:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Don_Knotts_Barney_and_the_bullet_Andy_Griffith_Show.jpg/382px-Don_Knotts_Barney_and_the_bullet_Andy_Griffith_Show.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: RSN172 on February 17, 2016, 07:43:30 AM
Basically Glocks need the trigger pressed in order to disassemble them.  NDs come up once in a while with Glocks durring cleaning.

I have a Glock and a ND will never happen with a proper chamber and magazine check.  ND result from lack of proper training and/or stupidity.  Some people are too stupid to be handling a firearm no matter how much training they receive.  A surprising amount of these people are legally permitted to carry a gun, while many of us who spend a lot of time and  money on training and practice are not allowed to carry because we would be a "danger" to the public. 
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Rocky on February 17, 2016, 08:32:01 AM
Basically Glocks need the trigger pressed in order to disassemble them.  NDs come up once in a while with Glocks durring cleaning.
Only if you are incompetent. :crazy:
ND is failure to follow protocol and can happen with any firearm, not just Glocks.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Inspector on February 17, 2016, 10:34:12 AM
competent firearm owners like officer Fife know to always make sure it's unloaded first.   :thumbsup:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Don_Knotts_Barney_and_the_bullet_Andy_Griffith_Show.jpg/382px-Don_Knotts_Barney_and_the_bullet_Andy_Griffith_Show.jpg)
That is also why Andy only gave him one bullet!!!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Fife

"One major comedic source is Barney's lack of ability with a firearm. After numerous misfires (usually a Colt .38 caliber revolver), Andy restricts Barney to carrying only one bullet in his shirt pocket, "in case of an emergency." However, the bullet always seems to find its way back into the gun, where Barney accidentally shoots it, usually into the floor, the ceiling, or his own gun holster. The accidental discharge of Barney's gun becomes a running gag."
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: HiCarry on February 17, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
"I'm the only one professional enough...to carry this Glock..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YqcvuRRggM
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: punaperson on February 17, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
"I'm the only one professional enough...to carry this Glock..."
Yeah, that one's a classic. One can only wonder what kind of devastation would have ensued had someone less professional than him had a firearm in that room. Likely some kind of nuclear event.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Jl808 on February 17, 2016, 03:53:35 PM
They should ban that AR-15.  It might jump off the table and shoot everyone in the room with 30 round clips.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: GZire on February 18, 2016, 07:58:08 AM
http://khon2.com/2016/02/16/gun-goes-off-in-prosecutors-office-no-report-filed-with-authorities/
 :o


What is an "investigator in the Prosecutor's Office" anyway?  They employed by the State and are a State LEO?  Are they independent investigators?  GZ is curious.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: Heavies on February 18, 2016, 08:58:57 AM

What is an "investigator in the Prosecutor's Office" anyway?  They employed by the State and are a State LEO?  Are they independent investigators?  GZ is curious.

Got me...  but they're obviously armed, the article said they have "police power" , whateverthat means, and have more power and privilege then us peons.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: GOLDdealer on February 18, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Allow law abiding Hawaii citizens to bear arms. Issue hawaii concealed carry license

http://www.change.org/p/hawaii-state-legislature-allow-law-abiding-hawaii-citizens-to-bear-arms/u/15085806

Please join. Protect your 2nd amendment

[edit] fixed link
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: HiCarry on February 18, 2016, 03:19:41 PM

What is an "investigator in the Prosecutor's Office" anyway?  They employed by the State and are a State LEO?  Are they independent investigators?  GZ is curious.
They are State LE, generally former cops, who work for the PA. I've known a few of them over the years....
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 18, 2016, 03:26:27 PM

What is an "investigator in the Prosecutor's Office" anyway?  They employed by the State and are a State LEO?  Are they independent investigators?  GZ is curious.

They go out and make arrests of certain types.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: stangzilla on February 18, 2016, 03:32:28 PM

What is an "investigator in the Prosecutor's Office" anyway?  They employed by the State and are a State LEO?  Are they independent investigators?  GZ is curious.

that's the guys that shoot their guns at the office.   ;)
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: aieahound on February 18, 2016, 03:47:19 PM
Don't get an office next to LE.
Don't take crap in the stall next to LE...

http://khon2.com/2014/09/10/accidental-shooting-in-target-bathroom-never-made-public-by-hpd/

Interesting.  Again no report.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: GZire on February 18, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
They go out and make arrests of certain types.


Isn't that what the Sherrifs and the County LEO's for?
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 18, 2016, 05:28:26 PM

Isn't that what the Sherrifs and the County LEO's for?

I don't know the specifics but I believe they deal with a certain type of warrant or court order. Sure, any cop could arrest for a warrant but having a dedicated squad has its advantages.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: whynow? on February 18, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
HI secret police.
Title: Re: Gun goes off in prosecutor’s office, no report filed with authorities
Post by: HiCarry on February 23, 2016, 09:35:52 AM

Isn't that what the Sherrifs and the County LEO's for?
They are mostly "investigators" who help prosecutors develop their cases.