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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jl808 on January 12, 2012, 04:27:48 PM
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Could I get some advice here on trap shooting and rifle plinking at the KHSC range?
I haven't bought it yet but I've narrowed the first shotgun purchase to a Mossberg 500/590 12ga and first rifle purchase to a Ruger 10/22. I'm thinking that the .22 rifle bullets would be cheaper than shotgun ammo, so it'd be fun for the range. However, I'm leaning on getting the Mossberg for home defense so I should plan to practice with it.
So my question is regarding rifle and shotgun practice at KHSC...
I understand that the rifle range can get busy and wait time can get long during the weekends. I'm thinking that the weekday schedule would be a good day for the rifle range if one just wants to go there and practice.
How about the shotgun skeet or traps area? Is it something that one can just go and practice? I'm thinking that you'd probably want someone else with you to operate the targets? Also, how are the wait times? Should one look to join a club in order to practice in trap or skeet shooting? I'm not really sure what to expect so thanks for your answers and suggestions.
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Get the 10/22. Shotguns are overrated; even for home defense. I'd take a 10/22 over a Mossberg any day, and if you start with a shotgun, all you'll learn is how to flinch
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Get the 10/22. Shotguns are overrated; even for home defense. I'd take a 10/22 over a Mossberg any day, and if you start with a shotgun, all you'll learn is how to flinch
While I agree with the statement that a plinking rifle is a better first gun than a shotgun, I certainly wouldn't take a 10/22 over a shotgun for home defense, if that's what you meant. If you meant 10/22 is way cheaper, more fun to shoot, and easier/better to learn with, then I agree.
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Aloha JI808!
The shotgun ranges have the most more structured operations in Kokohead. There isn't really any opportunity to "just practice." You go out with a group of up to 4 other shooters, and shoot a round (25 birds). You pay for each round, in the $7 range (depending on if you're talking about skeet or trap, and whether or not you are a member, the price varies a bit). Skeet operates Sat & Sun; trap operates Sun only. And there is a LOT more waiting at the shotgun ranges.
Trap only has one range, max of 5 shooters. So, with 30 people there, the most frequently you can expect to shoot is every 6th round. Skeet has 2 ranges, so the wait time is less, but you're still tied to intervals.
With the 10/22, you can shoot both at the state-run rifle range and at the club-run silhouette range. The silhouette range is only opened Sat & Sun, while the rifle range, as you noted, has a few hours on weekdays as well.
Personally, I'd start with the .22. The shooting is more affordable (cheaper ammo plus no "pay to play"), and there is more range availability. Then, when you do buy your shotgun, take both to the range. Put your name on the wait list at a shotgun range, dash over to the silhouette range for a quick box of ammo, then dash back! Not only will you get more shooting done in a day, it's great cardio!!
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Shotguns have too much recoil to shoot fast, but for me, the real issue is muzzle flash. Our club has night shoots twice a year just so we can find out stuff like this, and in low light, the flash from buck or slugs is literally blinding.
Most defensive encounters occur in low light, which is why I'd take the 10/22.
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Yes, it sounds like the 22 is better as a first long gun. This is what I'm leaning towards right now due to lower ammo cost, lower gun cost and seems like more fun to practice.
However, I'm wondering what shotgun practice is like at KHSC. If I picked up a shotgun, I want to make sure I can commit to learning how to use it well. How is it like compared to the rifle range, specifically at KHSC?
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Shotguns have too much recoil to shoot fast, but for me, the real issue is muzzle flash. Our club has night shoots twice a year just so we can find out stuff like this, and in low light, the flash from buck or slugs is literally blinding.
Most defensive encounters occur in low light, which is why I'd take the 10/22.
Hahaha, sorry cat but a 10/22 over a 12 gauge shotgun for self defense.
I respectfully disagree.
As far as the range and a first gun. The 10/22 is awesome. I have 2 of them. For very inexpensive shooting and practicing trigger control, breathing and sight picture acquisition, the 10/22 is almost without equal.
On the other side of the coin... The 12 gauge is the most devastating short range (50 feet or less) weapon you can own. I would take a 12 gauge over any other hand held firearm for home defense or self defense, if given the choice.
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Aloha JI808!
The shotgun ranges have the most more structured operations in Kokohead. There isn't really any opportunity to "just practice." You go out with a group of up to 4 other shooters, and shoot a round (25 birds). You pay for each round, in the $7 range (depending on if you're talking about skeet or trap, and whether or not you are a member, the price varies a bit). Skeet operates Sat & Sun; trap operates Sun only. And there is a LOT more waiting at the shotgun ranges.
Trap only has one range, max of 5 shooters. So, with 30 people there, the most frequently you can expect to shoot is every 6th round. Skeet has 2 ranges, so the wait time is less, but you're still tied to intervals.
With the 10/22, you can shoot both at the state-run rifle range and at the club-run silhouette range. The silhouette range is only opened Sat & Sun, while the rifle range, as you noted, has a few hours on weekdays as well.
Personally, I'd start with the .22. The shooting is more affordable (cheaper ammo plus no "pay to play"), and there is more range availability. Then, when you do buy your shotgun, take both to the range. Put your name on the wait list at a shotgun range, dash over to the silhouette range for a quick box of ammo, then dash back! Not only will you get more shooting done in a day, it's great cardio!!
Ah, thanks for this info, Tom_G! This is what I needed to know.
Looks like rifle would be a lot more fun and less waiting, especially if I wanted to convince/take the wife as a shooting companion too! :shaka:
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I have never shot clays, so I may be missing out. But if I did I would get a ported Shotty set up for it. The shottys I have are no fun to shoot unless I'm shooting at game. I would go 10/22 or small center (223) and a dedicated HD shotty later.
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Hahaha, sorry cat but a 10/22 over a 12 gauge shotgun for self defense.
I respectfully disagree.
As far as the range and a first gun. The 10/22 is awesome. I have 2 of them. For very inexpensive shooting and practicing trigger control, breathing and sight picture acquisition, the 10/22 is almost without equal.
On the other side of the coin... The 12 gauge is the most devastating short range (50 feet or less) weapon you can own. I would take a 12 gauge over any other hand held firearm for home defense or self defense, if given the choice.
Thanks for the feedback Kat, Cougar, Kingkeoni and Pit808! Looks like I'm on the right track.... I pick up a 22 first to get the wife good with it, then the 12ga afterwards for me! :)
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I'll give you 3 range trips before you start thinking of pimping ur 10/22 :thumbsup:
Now that I've planted the seed, make that 1 trip. ;)
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I'll give you 3 range trips before you start thinking of pimping ur 10/22 :thumbsup:
Now that I've planted the seed, make that 1 trip. ;)
Haha, yeah, that's a good poin. The 10/22 is probably the most pimp-able rifle out there, with the possible exception of the AR platform. You can make it into a bullpup backpacking rifle, heavy barrel match gun, AR-lookalike, anything that strikes your fancy!
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Get the .22
I own both a SIG 522 and a Mossberg 500 and I find that I use the 522 all the time while the Mossberg only gets brought out if I'm taking friends to the range.
I personally recommend the 522 to anyone looking for a 'scary black rifle' in .22. I've put 4000 rounds through mine so far in the 6 months and I've only run into two malfunctions that weren't ammo related. It's a bit pricier then a 10/22 but I appreciate a gun that will keep shooting even after it has lost one of the E-rings that keep the recoil spring in place :D
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Shotguns have too much recoil to shoot fast, but for me, the real issue is muzzle flash. Our club has night shoots twice a year just so we can find out stuff like this, and in low light, the flash from buck or slugs is literally blinding.
Most defensive encounters occur in low light, which is why I'd take the 10/22.
Hi Crazy cat, Just thinking... Wouldn't you want to be holding a tactical flashlight in a low light HD situation anyway? I'm thinking that it might be good to see what's in front of the nozzle to make sure it's something you want to shoot in the dark.
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I would agree with the .22 comments. I have a Marlin 795 and that gun is a blast to shoot. 10rd clip goes fast. I need to learn to slow down and actually aim, instead of unloading the clip. Hahahahaha. Fun gun syndrome i call it.
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I'll give you 3 range trips before you start thinking of pimping ur 10/22 :thumbsup:
Now that I've planted the seed, make that 1 trip. ;)
Haha, yeah, that's a good poin. The 10/22 is probably the most pimp-able rifle out there, with the possible exception of the AR platform. You can make it into a bullpup backpacking rifle, heavy barrel match gun, AR-lookalike, anything that strikes your fancy!
Huh... Baaaaaaad Cougar... never thought of this and you're probably right!
What mods would I want to do with a 22 cal rifle? I'm thinking for sure a good scope. Perhaps a better magazine? Wait... Does the 10 round cap on the magazine apply? What other mods would I want? Hmmm.. $$$$
The bullpup config sounds cool actually but I'm gonna shoot lefty and thinking that it should be ambidextrous. A .22 cal AR just sounds kinda... wimpy. But I suppose, so would a 22 cal rifle. :-)
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Whatever you do, do not start browsing pics on rimfirecentral.com or parts at midwayusa or brownells. You have been warned. ;D
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Lights draw fire. I know where everything is in my house, but someone who has broken in won't, so the last thing I'd do is turn on a light.
Oh, and I'd NEVER mount a light on a gun. That means pointing a gun at something you haven't identified, which violates so many safety rules that it isn't funny.
I'm not convinced that any hand held firearm is "devastating". Not to get too gory, but in order to stop someone who is intent on doing violence, either you have to make some holes and wait for enough blood to leak out for their blood pressure to drop (which takes significant amounts of time), or you have to hit them in the Central Nervous System, Shot placement is way more important than caliber.
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Lights draw fire. I know where everything is in my house, but someone who has broken in won't, so the last thing I'd do is turn on a light.
Oh, and I'd NEVER mount a light on a gun. That means pointing a gun at something you haven't identified, which violates so many safety rules that it isn't funny.
I'm not convinced that any hand held firearm is "devastating". Not to get too gory, but in order to stop someone who is intent on doing violence, either you have to make some holes and wait for enough blood to leak out for their blood pressure to drop (which takes significant amounts of time), or you have to hit them in the Central Nervous System, Shot placement is way more important than caliber.
It seems like the alternative to a weapon-mounted light would be one in your hand, which means one hand is not available to run a gun, carry a baby, or even open doors and whatnot. It all depends on the person and their situation, I suppose. To each their own. :thumbsup:
I must disagree about the devastating part, though. A standard 12 gauge, 00 buckshot shell has about nine .33" pellets. Taking one to the chest is the rough equivalent of taking 2/3s of a magazine out of a 9mm-all at once. That means massive tissue damage, rapid bleed-out, and vastly improved odds of CNS disruption. I haven't done ballistics testing, nor have I ever shot a person, but based on what 12-gauge birdshot shells do to the various things a teenager finds to shoot at around a farm, I'd say that the trusty Remington 870 is the definition of a decisive fight-stopper.
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I've never shot a person either, but I've shot enough pigs to know that even fatal wounds aren't always immediately incapacitating.
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I'm not convinced that any hand held firearm is "devastating". Not to get too gory, but in order to stop someone who is intent on doing violence, either you have to make some holes and wait for enough blood to leak out for their blood pressure to drop (which takes significant amounts of time), or you have to hit them in the Central Nervous System, Shot placement is way more important than caliber.
You've obviously never actually been around the results of a 12 gauge shot.
Attached is the result of a 12 gauge 00 buck shot to the face from 15 feet away.
WARNING... PICTURE IS GORY... DO NOT OPEN IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH.
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Yup. If you want to be sure it will stop, aim for the head. I've lost a pig that I hit 3 times in the chest with a .308, and had one go 140 yards while snorting out lung tissue.
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I'm not convinced that any hand held firearm is "devastating". Not to get too gory, but in order to stop someone who is intent on doing violence, either you have to make some holes and wait for enough blood to leak out for their blood pressure to drop (which takes significant amounts of time), or you have to hit them in the Central Nervous System, Shot placement is way more important than caliber.
You've obviously never actually been around the results of a 12 gauge shot.
Attached is the result of a 12 gauge 00 buck shot to the face from 15 feet away.
WARNING... PICTURE IS GORY... DO NOT OPEN IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH.
you coulda just shown a watermelon...
off topic - king, were you @ ogc today?
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Head shots aside, I understand that the brain contains enough oxygen to support 10-15 seconds of purposeful action; an awfully long time if the bad guy's purposeful action is ending your life. Unfortunately, unless we train for head shots, that's the best we can do. But, a center-mass hit with a shotgun almost guarantees that the vital organs will be shredded, meaning that the 10-15 seconds is probably all the bad guy's going to get. With a lesser firearm, you may or may not hit vital organs, even with a perfect shot; especially a small caliber like .22. That means that 10-15 seconds may drag out into 10-15 minutes, 10-15 hours, who knows? That's also aside from the fact that .22 does not have sufficient power to penetrate the chest and organs and damage the CNS. A head shot, yes, but those are ill-advised in a home defense scenario. I've actually gone and done some research on the topic this evening, since I was interested in the discussion. A standard 2-3/4 shell with #1 buck may be even better than 00. It's got 16 pellets that fall somewhere between a .32 caliber and a .380 auto, and penetration in ballistic gel is just over 12 inches. That's pretty impressive; and once I get my shotty out here I think I'll keep it loaded with #1. Seven rounds of #1, assuming all pellets strike the assailant, means that poor bastard is going to have 112 .30-caliber bullet holes in him. If that doesn't cause a precipitous drop in blood pressure leading to unconsciousness and death, I don't know what will.
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Whatever you do, do not start browsing pics on rimfirecentral.com or parts at midwayusa or brownells. You have been warned. ;D
Lol ack! Must resist!
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3 words:
CHICKS DIG 22s :shaka:
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Holy smokes.... Rimfirecentral has some awesome looking pics of the 22s! (Salivate) I'm gonna have to plan this out a little better about deciding on a starting platform for the 22.
Both the SIG 522 and the Marlin 795 look great but I think I will stick with a non-AR type 22 rifle.
From browsing the Internet forums, it seems that the stock Marlin 795 is more accurate than a stock Ruger 10/22. Is it true that one has to upgrade the Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately like the Marlin?
What I want to end up with is a regular looking ambidextrous rifle (not AR type) with a decent scope, a sling and possibly a bipod attachment that shoots groups decently. I plan to make it a keeper, not one I will outgrow later. I'd rather do minimal mods on it so I can learn to shoot it well without customizing it too much that it becomes a completely different gun.
I don't want to go overboard either and spend on a match grade Anschutz but what do you suggest is a good platform to choose?
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I don't know how the Marlin is out of the box, but if you follow this link (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?statuses=Available&statuses=In+Stock&statuses=Backorder+OK&statuses=Special+Order&statuses=Not+Available&statuses=No+Backorder&statuses=Coming+Soon&statuses=Other&minPrice=&maxPrice=&sortBy=3&itemsPerPage=100&PreviousCategoryDimensionId=3237&promotionId=&userSearchQuery=), you'll find that Midway alone has 60-some barrels for 10/22, everything from stock replacement barrels for seventy bucks up to precision match barrels from Lilja for $450.
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From browsing the Internet forums, it seems that the stock Marlin 795 is more accurate than a stock Ruger 10/22. Is it true that one has to upgrade the Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately like the Marlin?
I own a Marlin model 60 which I bought in 1982. Basically, the daddy to the 795. The model 60 is tube fed and the 795 is clip fed. Same action, same rifling in the barrel. My 60 will outshoot a stock 10/22 and it cost me $48 back then. The 795 is roughly $125.00. I hang out on Rim Fire Central as well!!! :shaka:
The big difference is that there is a very limited amount of upgrade options for the Marlin especially compared to the 10/22. Also, Marlin quality control can be spotty at times. I have done the following to my Marlin:
1. Trigger job (did it myself)
2. New wider target trigger
3. New aluminum trigger guard
4. New laminate thumbhole stock which I finished myself
5. New bolt handle
I have done nothing else except add a cheap scope. I can shoot the bolts at the metal range at 100 yds. It loves CCI Blazer ammo. Next mod is going to be a decent scope.
I cannot make it any more accurate because there are no barrel/trigger aftermarket parts. Once in a while I shoot next to someone on the rifle range that can tack drive with their 10/22. They can be done for about $800-$900. So your choice is if you pick the 10/22 you will have options to make it shoot better than the Marlin. But if you don't intend to modify or anything aftermarket the Marlin cannot be beat!
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Inspector, where did you get the stock from? Been looking towards getting a wood one fir the 795, dont like the black gun look. Also on the CCI my gun seems to like those as well, more then the winchester super x i was trying.
And to the OP, what you mean by non AR type .22?
And you cant go wrong with the marlin. Pretty cheap and they always have the $25 mail in rebate.
On a side note, my friend wants to pick up a rugar 10/22. Hopefully he does it soon then we could compare.
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Oh, and I'd NEVER mount a light on a gun. That means pointing a gun at something you haven't identified, which violates so many safety rules that it isn't funny.
I don't know any safety rule that says don't point a gun at something you have not identified. In fact, if I haven't identified it -- I'm probably GOING to point a gun at it so that whatever it is doesn't have the advantage on me.
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And to the OP, what you mean by non AR type .22?
Oh, I meant not an assault rifle design. Not sure if this is the right terminology.
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Oh got it. You mean non ar looking like the S&W-22 is
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I don't know how the Marlin is out of the box, but if you follow this link (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?statuses=Available&statuses=In+Stock&statuses=Backorder+OK&statuses=Special+Order&statuses=Not+Available&statuses=No+Backorder&statuses=Coming+Soon&statuses=Other&minPrice=&maxPrice=&sortBy=3&itemsPerPage=100&PreviousCategoryDimensionId=3237&promotionId=&userSearchQuery=), you'll find that Midway alone has 60-some barrels for 10/22, everything from stock replacement barrels for seventy bucks up to precision match barrels from Lilja for $450.
I really tried not to respond to this whole "pimp your 10/22" vein. To me, if I buy a gun, I buy it with the expectation that it will perform, not with the expectation that I'll have to double my investment with aftermarket parts before it will perform.
JI, the 10/22 is a fine rifle straight out of the box. It's capable of minute-of-steel accuracy with almost any ammo you buy. So don't worry.
Now, if you're one of those people who think the customizing is part of the fun, then the 10/22 is a very... erm, I'll go with "robust"... platform for that as well. Lots and lots of people out there making parts.
Just realize that it isn't a requirement. Now go buy the thing already! :)
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Inspector, where did you get the stock from? Been looking towards getting a wood one fir the 795, dont like the black gun look. Also on the CCI my gun seems to like those as well, more then the winchester super x i was trying.
On a side note, my friend wants to pick up a rugar 10/22. Hopefully he does it soon then we could compare.
The only company I know that makes wood for the Marlins is Boyds at http://www.boydsgunstocks.com (http://www.boydsgunstocks.com). They only make limited production runs for the marlins so when you see one you better grab it because it can be a year before they make them again. I just checked their site and the have the SS Evolution stocks for the Marlins. These stocks are spectacular and I am sure you have see them on 10/22's at the range. I know I have. At the time I bought my thumb hole stock they had never made the SS Evolution for the Marlin. So if you like that stock I would grab one ASAP. Here is the page with the Evolution stocks: http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ss+evolution. (http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ss+evolution.) If you want a thumb hole instead and are willing to wait then get on their e-mail list and they'll let you know when they make them again. BTW, mine is the nutmeg laminate and it looks AWESOME!!! Here is the company called DIP that makes some nice pieces for the Marlins as well: http://www.diproductsinc.com/products.aspx?CAT=3603. (http://www.diproductsinc.com/products.aspx?CAT=3603.) I would recommend if you get some wood for your Marlin that you also get the target trigger as well. It is worth the price.
Since this gun is a plinker (cuz I already have a good Anschutz .22 target rifle) I tried as much cheap .22 ammo as I could find. And the Blazers seem to be the hands down winner for most everyone who owns one of these little beauties. I tried the bulk Winchester, Remington and Federal. I tried the better quality Federal ammo, Lapua and some VERY high quality target rounds. And the cheap Blazers won hands down. I added a couple of pics for those who may be interested.
Let us know what happens when you guys compare guns. I think you'll be very surprised!
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Oh got it. You mean non ar looking like the S&W-22 is
Yeah I figure I might go nuts with the AR mods, trying to make the ultimate AR 22. I'll start with the 22 and work up to a larger caliber later.
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I don't know how the Marlin is out of the box, but if you follow this link (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?statuses=Available&statuses=In+Stock&statuses=Backorder+OK&statuses=Special+Order&statuses=Not+Available&statuses=No+Backorder&statuses=Coming+Soon&statuses=Other&minPrice=&maxPrice=&sortBy=3&itemsPerPage=100&PreviousCategoryDimensionId=3237&promotionId=&userSearchQuery=), you'll find that Midway alone has 60-some barrels for 10/22, everything from stock replacement barrels for seventy bucks up to precision match barrels from Lilja for $450.
I really tried not to respond to this whole "pimp your 10/22" vein. To me, if I buy a gun, I buy it with the expectation that it will perform, not with the expectation that I'll have to double my investment with aftermarket parts before it will perform.
JI, the 10/22 is a fine rifle straight out of the box. It's capable of minute-of-steel accuracy with almost any ammo you buy. So don't worry.
Now, if you're one of those people who think the customizing is part of the fun, then the 10/22 is a very... erm, I'll go with "robust"... platform for that as well. Lots and lots of people out there making parts.
Just realize that it isn't a requirement. Now go buy the thing already! :)
LOL roger! Time to start shopping.
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Just wanted to say a big thanks to everyone for your input! I've learned a lot and your advice helped me a lot.
I've decided to start with a stock Ruger 10/22 and will mod it as my skill with the rifle and understanding of the modifications improves.
Have a great weekend! :shaka:
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I just wanted I say....going with the Ruger vs the Marlin reminds me of a lesson I learned when i used to buy better spec'd but not popular electronic equipment.... It worked great for a while but when I eventually needed accessories, replacement parts or new software for the device, I found it difficult to find parts or manufacturers later on.
By going mainstream... even though it may not be the best, it's good to have many options and parts available if I needed something for it later on.
Just my personal shopping preference but it seems that the Ruger fits this choice. :)
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I remember someone saying ogc has them for a killer price.
Also the stainless steel version is only lined, not a complete barrel. Ogc also has a huge selection of the rugars, from a stock one to one with a bull barrel, AR type one and a pink one too I think.
Just some pointers I got when I was looking into them.
Oh and inspector thanks for the links, ill check it out. Beautiful guns by the way. I'll keep the trigger upgrade in mind when i change stocks. Also were you able to change the stock yourself, never tried something like that before
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Oh and inspector thanks for the links, ill check it out. Beautiful guns by the way. I'll keep the trigger upgrade in mind when i change stocks. Also were you able to change the stock yourself, never tried something like that before
Changing stocks involves two screws. Very easy. BUT, There is some play with the new stock and if you push the action forward in the new stock or tighten the screws too tight the action may bind. Move the action back in the stock and use a torque wrench to tighten the two screws and there won't be any problems. If you have any problems or questions just PM me.
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I like that thumbhole stock, Inspector! Pretty similar to the one I've got on my 10/22; got it as a present in high school, but it was the same thing I think you're talking about where the factory only rough tools it out and you do all the finish sanding, staining, and varnishing yourself. Took me fooooorever! (Or at least it felt like it to an antsy fifteen year old! :shake:) Pops also sprang for a stainless bull barrel with target crown in the same package, I love that rifle. Too bad it lives in Dad's safe back home. :( Thinking about buying another one and leaving it more or less stock, so I won't worry about it getting beat up/stolen/broken when I fly or move off the island at some point. :geekdanc:
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I like that thumbhole stock, Inspector! Pretty similar to the one I've got on my 10/22; got it as a present in high school, but it was the same thing I think you're talking about where the factory only rough tools it out and you do all the finish sanding, staining, and varnishing yourself. Took me fooooorever! (Or at least it felt like it to an antsy fifteen year old! :shake:) Pops also sprang for a stainless bull barrel with target crown in the same package, I love that rifle. Too bad it lives in Dad's safe back home. :( Thinking about buying another one and leaving it more or less stock, so I won't worry about it getting beat up/stolen/broken when I fly or move off the island at some point. :geekdanc:
If you can talk your dad into it I would love to see a pic of your rifle!
The Marlin in my safe has moved with me at least a dozen times in its lifetime including the move from the mainland to the BI and from the BI to here. But I put the stock and other mods on it just last year. I am afraid of dinging it up too. But since I had to hand sand it and finish it myself I figure if it gets beat up I can just sand it down again and re-finish it! For me it felt like it took forever but in actuality it was only a couple of hours of sanding and an hour or to for finishing. The new Boyd's stocks come already finished.
The most fun I have ever had with a gun was with my .22's. ;D
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if you still have not made your decision the marlin 795 probably the best buy
Pros
more intuiative controls
last shot hold open and manual bolt hold open
accurate and reliable with cheap ammo Blazer bulk 40gr
cons
no reliable higher cap mag
10 round mags are like 15-18 $
no real aftermarket
I have two 795s that i paid 99$ each for last year i got prolly 8+ thousand rounds through each of them
get the 795 and a decent variable power scope some extra mags and a baby uplula mag loader
and you are set
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Thanks for that feedback, ghost_medic. Yes I am comparing costs right now and the Marlin seems to be the more accurate rifle for the price. Yes I liked that hold open feature on the Marlin.
I'll be going to Sports Authority this week to handle both the Marlin and the Ruger and compare.
I thought the Marlin 70PSS Papoose actually looked pretty interesting also.
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfloading/70pss.asp
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I know the discussion is on a auto loaders, However, I'll drop my 2 cents.
The Savage MKII .22lr bolt gun is a very accurate rifle and value priced as well.
There are some options to be had for these.
Here is an example of what I did.
Dime sized groups with a scope at 50yards are the norm with good ammo and a good shooter, and will shoot MOA or under at 100 under the same condition. :thumbsup:
Scoped...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/photo.jpg) (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/photo.jpg)
Irons....
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/photo-87.jpg)
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I've never tried, but people online have been saying that the Marlin 795 can shoot single rounds without rhe clip in. Dunno if that's important to you or not. It's not to me and I still picked one up.
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I've never tried, but people online have been saying that the Marlin 795 can shoot single rounds without rhe clip in. Dunno if that's important to you or not. It's not to me and I still picked one up.
795 has a magazine disconnect so in theory it cant fire
in reality with some un orthodox finger placement you can fire that one round
with my scoped 795 i filled the buttstock with bbs to make it a little heavier (really tames that heavy recoil)
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Another member of the Marlin camp here. I have a Glenfield Model 60 that belonged to my mom's dad. With a 4-power scope and decent ammo, I can generate nickle-sized groups at 50 yards all day long. Easy to walk down the rail at the silhouette range knockin' off targets ping ping ping!
Now, the 60 is a tube-feeder, but don't let that throw you. Pick up a Spee-D-Loader (http://www.spee-d-loader.net/), and I guarantee you can perform reloads almost as quickly, and with MUCH less effort, than any detachable box magazine gun.
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Another member of the Marlin camp here. I have a Glenfield Model 60 that belonged to my mom's dad. With a 4-power scope and decent ammo, I can generate nickle-sized groups at 50 yards all day long. Easy to walk down the rail at the silhouette range knockin' off targets ping ping ping!
Now, the 60 is a tube-feeder, but don't let that throw you. Pick up a Spee-D-Loader (http://www.spee-d-loader.net/), and I guarantee you can perform reloads almost as quickly, and with MUCH less effort, than any detachable box magazine gun.
That is what I have. The old Marlin/Glenfield Model 60 with a 17 round tube feed. I have been looking at that Spee-d-loader for a long time and I have not bought it yet. Just something else I can drool over while I direct my limited funds towards reloading components. Even with the time it takes to load up the tube I get a lot of satisfaction hitting all the small targets at the silhouette range. But with the Spee-D-Loader I imagine I can shoot more in less time? Guess I better order one or two for my next range session. :D
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I have been looking at that Spee-d-loader for a long time and I have not bought it yet.
Hands down, the best $20 I have ever spent. EVER.
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I'm posting cause I feel left out and theres 50 responses... :rofl:
I know there's a lot of what I'm about to say that's already said... Cheap and fun.....just a suggestion, Ruger 10/22, SKS or AK
Ok, now I don't feel left out.... :rofl:
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That's a cool 22, Heavies. Looks like it might be fun to shoot at the 100 yard line, just to sharpen your wind reading skills.
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use a torque wrench to tighten the two screws and there won't be any problems.
What do you tighten to? I cracked my trigger assy overtighteneng. Waiting on parts from Numrich. :(
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use a torque wrench to tighten the two screws and there won't be any problems.
What do you tighten to? I cracked my trigger assy overtighteneng. Waiting on parts from Numrich. :(
I read on the rimfire central forum that most people were using 20-22 in. lbs. I stay around 15-18 and if it loosens I can always increase it. So far it has not loosened. My Anschutz is supposed to go to 25 in. lbs. I have gone up to 22 and it has not loosened. I am always afraid to over tighten things so I start a little less than recommended and work my way up if necessary.
With that said, a trigger assembly is a little different animal. The aluminum or plastic guards are always prone to cracking if over tightened or if one side is tightened before the other side is sufficiently tightened. In the case of trigger guards I usually torque each side to 5 in. lbs. and then apply the maximum recommended torque. I used 15-18 on my new trigger guard. If it comes loose then I'll up the torque.
I hope this helps!