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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: SWHunter on February 23, 2017, 11:13:31 PM
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Are slugs allowed or not shotgun at all ?
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Are slugs allowed or not shotgun at all ?
http://khsc.info/index.php/facilities/silhouette/
(http://i.imgur.com/YURNXlC.jpg?1)
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Slugs are only allowed at the rifle range and small ranges to the left of the entrance.
http://khsc.info/index.php/facilities/silhouette/
"You may fire .22 rimfire rifles on this range as well as any caliber handgun."
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Link does not say that shotgun slugs are prohibited. Can someone give a definitive answer or link to rules? I don't want to violate any rules of the only public range..I'd like to bring some friends to shoot 12gauge slugs but I only have a 6-8 inch plate and at 100 yards would be difficult for them as they are inexperienced .
Sorry to inquire..
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Link does not say that shotgun slugs are prohibited. Can someone give a definitive answer or link to rules? I don't want to violate any rules of the only public range..I'd like to bring some friends to shoot 12gauge slugs but I only have a 6-8 inch plate and at 100 yards would be difficult for them as they are inexperienced .
Sorry to inquire..
It doesn't say what you CAN'T use. It says what you CAN. Assume if it's not listed, you can't use it.
Rimfire .22 rifles, and pistols of any caliber.
I don't see shotguns in the list at all. Seems pretty clear to me.
The link does go to the page with all the rules. I fail to see where the disconnect is.
(http://i.imgur.com/IyM9Voa.jpg)
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I added "Centerfire rifles and shotguns prohibited."
Just so there are no more questions.
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I added "Centerfire rifles and shotguns prohibited."
Just so there are no more questions.
What about pistols that fire a rifle cartridge or shotgun shells
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Pistols that fire rifle cartridges are allowed. Thompson Center pistols in rifle calibers are some of the favored pistols of the metallic silhouette shooter due to the accuracy and high downrange energy required to knock down the steel targets at up to 200 meters.
Shotgun slugs out of a pistol would be a waste of money. The closest steel for the plinkers are at 50 meters. You might be able to hit the big plates.
The Silhouette Range is operated by a private club. The Range Officers will have the final say on what they will allow.
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If you come to the HDF open shoots (last saturdays of the month) they allow bird shot 6,7,8 only.
If you want to fire buck, you have to check the indoor ranges.
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Thanks for clarifying .
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Are pistol caliber carbines. Like 9mm allowed on silhouette? I guess I could go down and check. But just thought I would ask here first since I saw this thread.
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Are pistol caliber carbines. Like 9mm allowed on silhouette? I guess I could go down and check. But just thought I would ask here first since I saw this thread.
no
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Pistols that fire rifle cartridges are allowed.
The Silhouette Range is operated by a private club. The Range Officers will have the final say on what they will allow.
They would not allow me to use my 556 AR pistol, 7" barrel. If that has changed, I would like to know.
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They would not allow me to use my 556 AR pistol, 7" barrel. If that has changed, I would like to know.
The Range Officers will have the final say on what they will allow.
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They would not allow me to use my 556 AR pistol, 7" barrel. If that has changed, I would like to know.
They should look at the intent and decide if it's "Any pistol caliber firearm", or "Any caliber pistol."
If they allow rimfire rifles, why not pistol caliber carbines?
I can see prohibiting pistols using rifle calibers, as higher velocity rounds will do more damage to the targets.
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They would not allow me to use my 556 AR pistol, 7" barrel. If that has changed, I would like to know.
So you're one of the lucky ones that were able to register this in the 90's.
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So you're one of the lucky ones that were able to register this in the 90's.
Many threads on here on how to make a legal AR pistol.
The two most common ways are (1) permanently attach the magazine to make it non-removable, or (2) remove the gas tube and make it non-semiauto where you have to pull the charging handle between each shot.
Either way prevents it from being an assault pistol based on the legal definitions. You just need to classify the lower receiver as a pistol when you get it from the FFL, so it never gets transferred as a rifle. There are other considerations, like how to legally convert from pistol to rifle and back without classifying it as an illegal firearm in the process.
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Many threads on here on how to make a legal AR pistol.
The two most common ways are (1) permanently attach the magazine to make it non-removable, or (2) remove the gas tube and make it non-semiauto where you have to pull the charging handle between each shot.
Either way prevents it from being an assault pistol based on the legal definitions. You just need to classify the lower receiver as a pistol when you get it from the FFL, so it never gets transferred as a rifle. There are other considerations, like how to legally convert from pistol to rifle and back without classifying it as an illegal firearm in the process.
Good to know. Thanks!
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I saw someone shooing an AR15 pistol the other week. It looked super cool until I saw how he had to reload it. I felt sorry for the people shooting in the stalls beside him....7" barrel with a stupid loud muzzle brake. :shaka:
There's a lot of rules that don't make practical sense (ok to shoot rifle caliber pistols but not pistol caliber rifles...) but they are made that way to keep it fair across the board. I don't think the range officers want to get into an argument or approve every firearm that comes into question.
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I saw someone shooing an AR15 pistol the other week. It looked super cool until I saw how he had to reload it. I felt sorry for the people shooting in the stalls beside him....7" barrel with a stupid loud muzzle brake. :shaka:
There's a lot of rules that don't make practical sense (ok to shoot rifle caliber pistols but not pistol caliber rifles...) but they are made that way to keep it fair across the board. I don't think the range officers want to get into an argument or approve every firearm that comes into question.
Theres a video out there on IG about a quick reload of a fixed mag. Its a modified stripper type clip style that you put in the open ejection port with the BCG locked back. Then you feed the rounds in stripper clip style. And when you remove the devise, it automatically sends the bolt forward chambering a round. Damn genius idea.
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It has been at least 15 years since I discussed the subject of not allowing carbines, with the silhouette range. I was told it is a city and county parks dept. decision to not allow carbines. If this is true then it has to be changed at the parks dept. level.
All users of the silhouette range should consider the following:
Higher velocity cartridges result in a lot higher steel target damage. More target damage results in more frequent steel target repair/replacement, which can also lead to higher range fees and/or fewer targets to shoot at.
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It has been at least 15 years since I discussed the subject of not allowing carbines, with the silhouette range. I was told it is a city and county parks dept. decision to not allow carbines. If this is true then it has to be changed at the parks dept. level.
All users of the silhouette range should consider the following:
Higher velocity cartridges result in a lot higher steel target damage. More target damage results in more frequent steel target repair/replacement, which can also lead to higher range fees and/or fewer targets to shoot at.
That's really a silly line. First off, the velocities of pistol calibers from carbines aren't THAT much more impressive than those from handguns. Second, they allow rifle-caliber handguns, which pack MUCH larger wallows than pistol caliber. No, the "it damages the steel" line is an excuse, not a reason.
The thing is, the club is a handgun club. They get to make the rules, and they have made the rules. Their facility is overused as is: were they to allow pistol caliber carbines as well, can you imagine the increased usage?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to shoot pistol caliber carbines at those steel targets. Just don't give me some bs reason why I can't; tell me "No, we don't want that" and own it!
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Tom I think you are misunderstanding my post. I too would like to shoot my carbine at the silhouette range but it is NOT up to the silhouette club, the RO's, or any body connected to the range. As stated in my post the decision was made by the parks dept. and NOT the silhouette club. I was an active member of the club and I know what I am talking about. I am NOT giving anyone BS. If you still do not believe me you can go check it out for yourself.
Now as far as target damage is concerned, it absolutely does occur. The high velocity damage is a real concern regardless of the type of firearm used. Whether the damage is from a pistol or a rifle makes no difference. The important thing is that people who use the silhouette range are aware of this fact. As a club member I did my share of target repair. I got to see first hand the damage and the amount of resources it takes to repair some of the targets.
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Tom I think you are misunderstanding my post. I too would like to shoot my carbine at the silhouette range but it is NOT up to the silhouette club, the RO's, or any body connected to the range. As stated in my post the decision was made by the parks dept. and NOT the silhouette club. I was an active member of the club and I know what I am talking about. I am NOT giving anyone BS. If you still do not believe me you can go check it out for yourself.
Now as far as target damage is concerned, it absolutely does occur. The high velocity damage is a real concern regardless of the type of firearm used. Whether the damage is from a pistol or a rifle makes no difference. The important thing is that people who use the silhouette range are aware of this fact. As a club member I did my share of target repair. I got to see first hand the damage and the amount of resources it takes to repair some of the targets.
Didn't mean to upset you! I wasn't calling bs on you, but on the premise that increased damage from carbines was a legitimate reason for their exclusion.
However, since you bring it up...
I've been shooting there for nearly 2 decades, and have had this conversation with several "active members, who know what they are talking about." No need to drop names, but they're the ones you see repeatedly if you frequent that range. You are the first to try and pass the buck to Parks. Every other one of these long-time active members has asserted that the club made the decision. Now, they are in total disagreement as to the reason... bullet velocities, availability for handgun shooters, safety concerns, guidelines of the national parent organization...
I'm sure you believe that you know what you're talking about. But I'm equally sure that each of them, in turn, believed that they knew what they were talking about. Who do I believe? And are the others simply misinformed, or deliberately spreading misinformation?
In the end, it isn't important. What matters, at least as far as this post is concerned, is that pistol caliber carbines are not allowed.
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The silhouette club leadership made an effort to change the rim fire rifles only rule to also allow pistol caliber carbines. This was done at the request of silhouette club members and some of the cowboy action shooters. The parks dept. rejected this change. The people you talked to who are supposedly long time club members were probably not around or involved when this effort took place back in the day. If they were, then shame on them for forgetting to tell you the whole story. The club is obligated to follow parks dept. directives. I can understand how people can misinterpret this action as the club creating their own set of rules. Blaming the club for the carbine ban accomplishes absolutely nothing. Those who do this are barking up the wrong tree and I will call this out .
I do not like the decision made by the parks dept. but I can appreciate the troubles that can be created by attempting to please everyone. There will always be people who try to bend or break the rules. I recall stopping people from firing their 556/223 ars at the silhouette range. One person weakly told me: "But,.. but it is a 22 caliber". I can also see how some one may try to fire a carbine in 45/70 or something even larger while claiming that there is a handgun in this caliber so it can also be a pistol cartridge. Human beings can be very resourceful creatures.
I forgot to mention the repair work to be done at the silhouette range buildings in my earlier post. Electrical power will not be restored until after the repair work has started. With out electrical power the silhouette club welding equipment cannot be used. Target repair work cannot be done with out this equipment. I hope every one understands this.
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Are slugs allowed or not shotgun at all ?
Only if you are shooting a .410 pistol.