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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on April 26, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
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Read the star advertiser and it said the bills going to Ige's desk. Is this correct?
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Read the star advertiser and it said the bills going to Ige's desk. Is this correct?
Yup
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Glad they are so proud they absolutely ignore their constituents.
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My stuff is going out in the mail today.
A fuck you to the State of Hawaii. You ruin this state and I hope you are proud.
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I called Ige and emailed to veto. But it's not going to help. Also on his website, you have to select the legislative contact box that only allows 250 characters.
If you select the comments box, you get 3k+ characters,but he won't see it.
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Most in Hawaii don't vote so that's the reason why they can get away with crap like this.
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Most in Hawaii don't vote so that's the reason why they can get away with crap like this.
To be honest, i never voted until I became a gun owner and realized how bad we're getting our right violated. Better late than never I guess. Same with Mrs.oil.
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To be honest, i never voted until I became a gun owner and realized how bad we're getting our right violated. Better late than never I guess. Same with Mrs.oil.
same here :thumbsup:
Imagine what our other rights and concerns are being screwed over by misrepresenting us
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Read the star advertiser
Did you have to take a shower afterward? :shake:
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NRA-ILA link to send an email to Gov. Ige asking for him to veto the bill.
https://act.nraila.org/takeaction.aspx?AlertID=2012
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I have some interesting stuff on Ige's office. I will release to the News organizations first before posting here.
After I am out of the state.
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Do not comply.
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Most in Hawaii don't vote so that's the reason why they can get away with crap like this.
A co-worker has admitted to not voting, basically because there is nothing that concerns them. When things come up in the news or conversation relevant to the Government, I always blame the co-worker, not voting allowed the Government to screw whatever it is they screwed up. The excuse is always the same, "doesn't affect me".
I point out that by the time it does affect them, it will be too late and they'll either be too oppressed to change things or in jail for something stupid. The example I like to use now is the 1st Ammendment is being taken away to the point where we can't say anything that will hurt people's feelings, as if not having hurt feelings is a right versus free speech.
They don't believe there will be a time when they will get persecuted for saying something like "you're an idiot" despite this already happening with Government jobs. Basically, learning the hard way is their norm.
I find this to be worse than talking to people about the 2nd, although the attitude is the same for both, not caring about anything has really put this State in a sorry state. Well, that and voting for someone 'cause of their name...
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I’ve voted since I was 18. I think I missed on when I moved and my application for absentee got messed up and I was out of town for work. That said, until I got into firearms and more into 2a, I probably was one of those contributing to voting those types that we see today.
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Looks like they are going to outlaw rubber bands.
You can do the same as with a Bump stock. Look it up
on Youtube.
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NRA-ILA link to send an email to Gov. Ige asking for him to veto the bill.
https://act.nraila.org/takeaction.aspx?AlertID=2012
Sent mine...
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Sent mine...
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Well it looks as though the Hawaii government did not get to turn me into a felon overnight. Weapons will be with the shipper tomorrow.
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Any idea if/when he is going to sign it?
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Governor has until July 10th to sign or veto it. If he does neither it automatically becomes law.
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Governor has until July 10th to sign or veto it. If he does neither it automatically becomes law.
That's a shitty cop out. So in the future for any controversial bill, "I never signed it".
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That's a shitty cop out. So in the future for any controversial bill, "I never signed it".
exactly, but it's part of our system
and has been for a long time
it rarely, if ever comes up though
however, da gov has veto power, so it's really no excuse
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So far no action on SB2046 and SB2436. Looks like they will become law without the governor's signature since he hasn't put them on the VETO list which is due on July 10th.
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Doesnt even have the balls to sign it. Yet has TV commercial about guns.
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Hanabuttah called him out on his gun control leg lies
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We all need to call and email to VETO.
I didn't see anything in both bills that exclude LE or federal agencies. So if HPD were to confiscate one, wouldn't they be in possession and be breaking the law?
Like the 10 rd handgun mag, the law states HPD are excluded.
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We all need to call and email to VETO.
I didn't see anything in both bills that exclude LE or federal agencies. So if HPD were to confiscate one, wouldn't they be in possession and be breaking the law?
Like the 10 rd handgun mag, the law states HPD are excluded.
Dont work that way. Its part of their job. Or else they wouldnt be able to confiscate drugs too.
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Doesnt even have the balls to sign it. Yet has TV commercial about guns.
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Ige is a moderate to conservativr on gun control. Hanabusa is extreme on gun control. Between the two id choose Ige.
Remember most of our Republican/conservative legislators voted for the bill too.
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Dont work that way. Its part of their job. Or else they wouldnt be able to confiscate drugs too.
What about military who might have to train with it? Special forces need to be proficient with all types of weapons and their attachments (even muskets). So there is the 134 subsection that excludes military while on the job.
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Nevermind, he signed it
Bump stocks banned, plus additional gun safety measures signed into law
http://www.kitv.com/story/38605621/bump-stocks-banned-plus-additional-gun-safety-measures-signed-into-law
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A bump-stock is a weapon.
Learn something new everyday, huh?
The Governor signed a bill (Act 157) into law prohibiting the manufacture, importation, sale transfer and
possession of bump fire stocks, multi-burst trigger activators, and trigger cranks- the same weapon used
by the gunman in the Las Vegas shooting that killed almost 60 people.
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Nevermind, he signed it
Bump stocks banned, plus additional gun safety measures signed into law
http://www.kitv.com/story/38605621/bump-stocks-banned-plus-additional-gun-safety-measures-signed-into-law
Also in the bills was shortening the time to turn over guns in a domestic case from 30 to 7 days. I can't understand how, if you think someone who owns guns OR NOT is a threat, why not lock HIM up instead of his guns?
Makes no sense.
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I would like to hear how many bump stocks get turned in.
Understand there is a 30 day amnesty in which to do this.
Betcha we don't see a one
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I would like to hear how many bump stocks get turned in.
Understand there is a 30 day amnesty in which to do this.
Betcha we don't see a one
Not really 30 days. Deadline is 1 July according to the article.
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I would like to hear how many bump stocks get turned in.
Understand there is a 30 day amnesty in which to do this.
Betcha we don't see a one
Bump stocks dont have to be turned in. You could probably permanently disable the feature, sell it to someone onnthe mainland, or possibly disassemble it.
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Idk if there is a grace period.
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Guess he's proud of his achievement.
I signed into law SB 2046, now Act 157, which prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer and possession of bump fire stocks, multi-burst trigger activators, and trigger cranks – the same devices used by the gunman in the deadly Las Vegas shooting.
I’m proud that Hawai‘i has one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the nation thanks to our strict gun laws. At the same time, we must protect the rights of gun owners and hunters to own and use guns safely. This legislation will help us uphold the rights of gun owners while keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unfit individuals.
During the bill signing ceremony at the Hawai‘i State Capitol, Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard announced a 30-day amnesty program that allows bump stock owners to turn in the firearm at any police station or to call 9-1-1 for officers to pick it up.
SB 2046: http://bit.ly/2m71oSM
Video: http://bit.ly/2zqk21B
Photos: http://bit.ly/2MXgRAg
#HIGov #HINews #BanBumpStock #VegasStrong
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Idk if there is a grace period.
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That's right. I mixed up the 2 things.
Bump stock ban was upon signing but has that 30-day "amnesty" according to the police chief. The new 7-day surrender thing starts 1 July.
:thumbsup:
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As I have said before this law does not ban items such as the slide fire stock, these items do not meet the definition of a bump fire stock as defined in the law.
"Bump fire stock" means a butt stock designed to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm and designed, made, or altered to increase the rate of fire achievable with such firearm by using energy from the recoil of the firearm to generate a reciprocating action that facilitates repeated activation of the trigger.
The stock of a rifle does not increase the achievable rate of fire. Any semi automatic firearm can be bump fire without a stock.
The reciprocating action is a function of all semi automatic firearms and not of the stock.
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Do not comply
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Is the Fostech Echo trigger part of the ban?
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That's right. I mixed up the 2 things.
Bump stock ban was upon signing but has that 30-day "amnesty" according to the police chief. The new 7-day surrender thing starts 1 July.
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If you do the "amnesty", Ballard might do a CA and arrest you anyways.
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Is the Fostech Echo trigger part of the ban?
Binary triggers don't look like they fit the definitions, but I'm no lawyer.
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Binary triggers don't look like they fit the definitions, but I'm no lawyer.
they were trying to ban binary triggers when they worded it "multi-burst trigger activators"
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they were trying to ban binary triggers when they worded it "multi-burst trigger activators"
"Trying", but didn't right? To me the definition doesn't fit. Could be wrong.
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"Trying", but didn't right? To me the definition doesn't fit. Could be wrong.
it's not up to us, it's up to the prosecutor
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it's not up to us, it's up to the prosecutor Judge and jury.
Fixed it for you.
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:( He signed it
http://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/latest-news/office-of-the-governor-news-release-governor-ige-signs-firearms-bills-including-bump-stocks-ban/
But on the upside it's only a voluntary surrender if deemed disqualified, right? What is mandatory volunteering anyways? Is that like meatless beef?
"Gov. Ige also signed SB 2436 (Act 158) which requires the voluntary surrender of firearms and ammunition within 7 days after an individual is disqualified from gun ownership. This new law shortens the time period from 30 days to 7 days."
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I wonder how many will be turned in. IIRC, so far Colorado has 0, MA has 2, NJ has 4.
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But on the upside it's only a voluntary surrender if deemed disqualified, right?
Voluntary surrender is you turn it in yourself without LE ordering you to. You do it on your own. You have the choice of complying or not complying where there are consequences.
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Ige said: "At the same time, we must protect the rights of gun owners and hunters to own and use guns safely. This legislation will help us uphold the rights of gun owners while keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unfit individuals."
he's so fullashet.
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they were trying to ban binary triggers when they worded it "multi-burst trigger activators"
until somebody from the supposedly 2A community told them how to word it more effectively to cover binary triggers. :(
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until somebody from the supposedly 2A community told them how to word it more effectively to cover binary triggers. :(
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"binary" trigger shooting
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Jill Tokuda's IG had a pic of them and moms demand action with the bill. I wanted to comment, but don't have the time today.
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Jill Tokuda's IG had a pic of them and moms demand action with the bill. I wanted to comment, but don't have the time today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHJN4mZdxzo
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"Call 911 and an officer will come to take it from you". Bet he sells it on ebay for $700. JJ.
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Guys I feel sorry for all of you that live in the "zone".
I and my property are all out and now I have some time to be a thorn in their side from here.
Most corrupt state I have ever lived in.
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Who is the guy on the far left of the pic in post #36.
Seems to me I saw him at a function with the past Guv. .
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So what if I mail it to the mainland, will they try to arrest me?
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So what if I mail it to the mainland, will they try to arrest me?
They are already illegal, unless you are on the way to HPD in the next 28 days to turn it in.
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Guys I feel sorry for all of you that live in the "zone".
I and my property are all out and now I have some time to be a thorn in their side from here.
Most corrupt state I have ever lived in.
I miss living in Vegas for this reason. Drive out of town... be 3000 feet from a road, or other structure, shoot. There's a lot of open desert in Southern Nevada. And nobody cared.
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I miss living in Vegas for this reason. Drive out of town... be 3000 feet from a road, or other structure, shoot. There's a lot of open desert in Southern Nevada. And nobody cared.
And you can shoot rubber dummies, steal, tannenite, etc...
Just bring cooler and table.
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I miss living in Vegas for this reason. Drive out of town... be 3000 feet from a road, or other structure, shoot. There's a lot of open desert in Southern Nevada. And nobody cared.
I cut the initial trees on my property 2 weeks ago. In negotiations to buy another 33 acres right next door that adjoins my property. I will be able to shoot on my property at will once we move out there within the next 12 months after construction is complete.
And no one will say a word to me. Not even the game warden that lives on the same road.
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Judge in columbus ruled their ban was unconstitutional. Can this affect hawaii?
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Judge in columbus ruled their ban was unconstitutional. Can this affect hawaii?
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:rofl:
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Judge in columbus ruled their ban was unconstitutional. Can this affect hawaii?
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Not going to affect Hawaii ulnless it goes to SCOTUS which I highly doubt. I expect our ban to be around until SCOTUS rules automatic weapons or firearm modifications are protected.
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Judge in columbus ruled their ban was unconstitutional. Can this affect hawaii?
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Means nothing anywhere else.
State constitution and law prohibits any gun/parts bans outside of state or federal law