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Title: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on December 17, 2019, 08:19:40 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/honolulu-officer-pleads-guilty-urinal-licking-case-67767401


We should make a session just for all the great stuff Honolulu Police Department does for your great community Keep us safe and putting there lives on the line!  :shaka:
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Kuleana on December 17, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/honolulu-officer-pleads-guilty-urinal-licking-case-67767401


We should make a session just for all the great stuff Honolulu Police Department does for your great community Keep us safe and pit there lives on the line!  :shaka:

I am surprised that the fascist goons that defend all the despicable acts by law enforcement on this forum have not attacked your post yet.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2019, 05:32:30 PM
I am surprised that the fascist goons that defend all the despicable acts by law enforcement on this forum have not attacked your post yet.

Trollin', trollin', trollin'.  Keep that Troll a trollin'.    :rofl:

Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Kuleana on December 17, 2019, 06:36:13 PM
Trollin', trollin', trollin'.  Keep that Troll a trollin'.    :rofl:

Just when you thought it was safe...


A little late, but still on schedule.      :geekdanc:
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2019, 07:03:31 PM
Just when you thought it was safe...


A little late, but still on schedule.      :geekdanc:

You never seem to stop contradicting yourself.

Can't be "late" and "on schedule".

But then, you aren't guided by logic, huh?   :wacko:
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: aieahound on December 17, 2019, 07:54:31 PM
You never seem to stop contradicting yourself.
Can't be "late" and "on schedule".
But then, you aren't guided by logic, huh?   :wacko:

And you can’t stop pickin’ nits.

Edit:
What did you add constructive to this thread?
Miss the point and redirect.
And then call other people out on that.
Classic SnowFlapp MO.

It’s not trolling if it’s true. IMO.
 
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2019, 07:55:56 PM
And you can’t stop pickin’ nits.

And you never seem to have anything constructive to add.

If I didn't post, you'd have to troll someone else.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: aieahound on December 17, 2019, 08:05:10 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/honolulu-officer-pleads-guilty-urinal-licking-case-67767401


We should make a session just for all the great stuff Honolulu Police Department does for your great community Keep us safe and putting there lives on the line!  :shaka:

There’s some asshole ones out there but a lot of good ones I’m proud to call friends.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on December 18, 2019, 05:43:13 AM
There’s some asshole ones out there but a lot of good ones I’m proud to call friends.

Good to know! I don’t trust any law enforcement & don’t trust anyone that side with them! One should be able to self govern him/her self if you consider your self a adult you should know the difference between right and WRONG!

Theres some asshole cronics out there but a lot of good ones I’m proud to call friends! :rofl:
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: ren on December 18, 2019, 08:06:26 PM
I am surprised that the fascist goons that defend all the despicable acts by law enforcement on this forum have not attacked your post yet.
Nope. Not all actions. In this case it was justice served. No organization, race, or society will ever be or has been morally or ethically perfect.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 18, 2019, 11:31:07 PM
Nope. Not all actions. In this case it was justice served. No organization, race, or society will ever be or has been morally or ethically perfect.

Quote
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men..."

-- Lord Acton, 1887

No demographic or profession is immune.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on December 19, 2019, 07:31:04 AM
-- Lord Acton, 1887

No demographic or profession is immune.

Ya we all know they just take anyone off the street and make them police officers! Dont they do screenings to weed out these kind of people don’t they have training to know when to shoot or make them lick shit! because this is a regular job for regular people right?
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 19, 2019, 10:31:27 AM
Ya we all know they just take anyone off the street and make them police officers! Dont they do screenings to weed out these kind of people don’t they have training to know when to shoot or make them lick shit! because this is a regular job for regular people right?

You can't teach adults morality or ethics if they are already borderline sociopaths or have major personality faults.

Hillary Clinton famously said, "You have to have a public position on issues, and sometimes a private one, too."  In other words, she says whatever she thinks the public wants to hear (lies), then does her job according to her true beliefs.  That's the sign of a pathological liar who sees nothing immoral or unethical in lying to grab power.

Those people are out there.  Do you have some magic crystal ball or mirror that can predict how each and every recruit will act on the job?  If so, you need to share that with every government agency at every level before and after they hire someone.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Jl808 on December 19, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/post/hpd-eyes-unconventional-recruits-fill-officer-shortage#stream/0

According to this June 2019 article, HPD is unable to fill 10% of their positions, being short 260 officers.  It's hard for them to be very selective.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on December 19, 2019, 11:44:37 AM
The Police chief said they need more police in the recent shooting!

The state believes instead of help the community in making more job and easier for businesses they want to have more police! They only RESPOND to calls “FIRST RESPONDERS”they do little for the community! They want the criminals to do there job! If not we would not need any police!
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on December 19, 2019, 11:48:32 AM
You can't teach adults morality or ethics if they are already borderline sociopaths or have major personality faults.

Hillary Clinton famously said, "You have to have a public position on issues, and sometimes a private one, too."  In other words, she says whatever she thinks the public wants to hear (lies), then does her job according to her true beliefs.  That's the sign of a pathological liar who sees nothing immoral or unethical in lying to grab power.

Those people are out there.  Do you have some magic crystal ball or mirror that can predict how each and every recruit will act on the job?  If so, you need to share that with every government agency at every level before and after they hire someone.

What a high bar to be set for recruits So I guess anyone can be Honolulu Finest!
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 19, 2019, 11:54:36 AM
What a high bar to be set for recruits So I guess anyone can be Honolulu Finest!

Ever join the military?  Police force?  Anything that involves immersive training?

The process is designed to evaluate the physical and mental fitness of recruits.  Just applying and being accepted is in no way a guarantee of completion.

You seem to have no real arguments.

I bet the police would even accept you if you meet the minimum standards.  But, somehow, I'd have to bet against you making it to getting your shield.  Attitude matters.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: ren on December 19, 2019, 12:09:16 PM
there is a reading comp test, personality inventory, psych review, polygraph and background investigation. Then a physical aptitude test then off to the academy for 6 months and after grad field training.
So there is a process. But as I stated before, no human org is perfect. Not even the 3 letter agencies.
I can understand why they want more police. If you want to defend yourself with a firearm it's not as simple as owning a firearm. You have to train with it and that entails hours, days of learning muscle memory and the mental aspect of it.
Then if they decide to defend themselves they have to deal with the media biased backlash and of course if they shoot someone they'll spend some time in a jail.
Some people don't want to deal with that and rather outsource it. Rightfully so, we pay taxes for that service.

So HPD has vacancies they can't fill who's to blame? Who wants to be LE with the current anti-police sentiments across the nation? There's little support for the police but a lot of second guessing them and this forum is a good example of it.

Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on December 19, 2019, 12:12:26 PM
Ever join the military?  Police force?  Anything that involves immersive training?

The process is designed to evaluate the physical and mental fitness of recruits.  Just applying and being accepted is in no way a guarantee of completion.

You seem to have no real arguments.

I bet the police would even accept you if you meet the minimum standards.  But, somehow, I'd have to bet against you making it to getting your shield.  Attitude matters.
There is no Argument this post is to show what do they do for us
And Those are the best job you can get right! That why they get the best The most Smartest No one with anything good going in there life is go to give up to be a police officers!
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Jl808 on December 19, 2019, 02:27:19 PM
From the June 2019 article...

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To fill that gap, HPD Chief Susan Ballard is courting less conventional recruits: social workers and teachers.

“We’re really reaching out to so many different types of people who may never thought of this as a career before. Anytime where you have to communicate with people or work with people, that’s what we’re looking for.”

Ballard made a point to note that the department is also open to members of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Questioning community, or LGBTQ.

Honolulu’s head police officer said her department is also seeking applicants with experience in fields like homeless outreach.

More information on the requirements for joining the Honolulu Police can be found on the department website.

Correction: An earlier version of this story said HPD was looking for homeless outreach specialists. The department is looking for recruits with that experience.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 19, 2019, 03:08:18 PM
"Homeless Outreach Specialists?"   As opposed to "Outreach Specialists for the Homeless?"  :rofl:

There's validity in trying to make your department, at least for the street Cops, mirror the demographics of the population.  Relating to the public is important for crime prevention and conflict resolution.

Unfortunately, the lawyers have a huge say in how Cops must conduct themselves.  It often leaves much to be desired.  How would you like it if everything you did at work had the potential to land you in front of a review board or judge because an "upstanding member of the public" decided to file a slew of complaints with no real basis in the truth?

The bodycams not only keep Cops more in check, but they also protect them from false allegations of sexual misconduct, excessive force and other lies.  If the Cop reads you your rights, and you swear he didn't, the video should resolve that kind of accusation pretty fairly.

I really get tired of seeing people bash "the Cops" when we all know it not every single Cop that's the problem. 

Name one government organization that's been 100% scandal-free, and I'll concede the point.  Until then, pretending the police department is represented in total by the few who make the news is lazy and dishonest.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 19, 2019, 03:58:34 PM
Ya we all know they just take anyone off the street and make them police officers! Dont they do screenings to weed out these kind of people don’t they have training to know when to shoot or make them lick shit! because this is a regular job for regular people right?
Maybe like the stanford prison experiment. It changes a good person into a bad one.

Even had 1 ex-con on the parole board and he was the strictest one.

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Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Glasser on December 20, 2019, 07:02:50 AM
  If the Cop reads you your rights, and you swear he didn't, the video should resolve that kind of accusation pretty fairly.



This is a TV myth, Police are not required to give you a Miranda warning upon your arrest, ONLY if they are going to interrogate you after your arrest. And they can ask you all the questions they want PRIOR to arresting you without giving you that warning. If you have done something that might potentially get you arrested ALWAYS STFU before and after.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Kuleana on December 20, 2019, 08:59:09 AM
This is a TV myth, Police are not required to give you a Miranda warning upon your arrest, ONLY if they are going to interrogate you after your arrest. And they can ask you all the questions they want PRIOR to arresting you without giving you that warning. If you have done something that might potentially get you arrested ALWAYS STFU before and after.



You need to remember that there are fascist goons on this forum who will only concede to the infallibility of law enforcement only after they are legally prosecuted AND explicitly brought to their attention.  They care nothing for the abuses of law enforcement that do go reported, but get no media coverage or those accounts that do not get reported at all.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: ren on December 20, 2019, 09:13:11 AM

You need to remember that there are fascist goons on this forum who will only concede to the infallibility of law enforcement only after they are legally prosecuted AND explicitly brought to their attention.  They care nothing for the abuses of law enforcement that do go reported, but get no media coverage or those accounts that do not get reported at all.

So if you were given the opportunity to rewrite the use of force policy what would you change?
Have you ever gone to the Police Commission with your concerns?
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Kuleana on December 20, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
So if you were given the opportunity to rewrite the use of force policy what would you change?

One of things they could implement is more force on force situational training that gauges each beat officer on the propensity of using their lethal and non-lethal weapons.  Based on their performance, specific classes that tries to improve their decision making cycle with the goal of ensuring that public that law enforcement officers will employ all their non firearms means first (e.g., passive and aggressive verbal deescalation, hand-to-hand combat, tasers, batons, etc.) and only use their firearms as a last resort in any given situation.



Have you ever gone to the Police Commission with your concerns?

Talking to them is like trying trying to convince City Hall of the pitfalls of Rail.

Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: ren on December 20, 2019, 10:18:26 AM
Dont know why you keep writing your response in my quote but what you describe is already taught to recruits. Theres some videos in Youtube that show what recruits go through.
If talking to the commission is worthless you can talk to your reps and then Mayors office.
Better solution than calling us fascist goons.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: groveler on December 20, 2019, 10:25:03 AM
So if you were given the opportunity to rewrite the use of force policy what would you change?
Have you ever gone to the Police Commission with your concerns?
I deal with a different Police commission. I have testified before them.
For once I agree with Kuleana,  Talking to the police commission is
a phenomenal waste of time.
As as rule,  I don't talk to cops, unless absolutely necessary.
My response to any question is,
either no answer or to say,
"am I being detained?".
"am I free to go?".
If a cop is asking you questions you need a lawyer.
One last thing, do not lie to a cop.  Before you lie to a cop,
don't say anything.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 20, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
This is a TV myth, Police are not required to give you a Miranda warning upon your arrest, ONLY if they are going to interrogate you after your arrest[/b]. And they can ask you all the questions they want PRIOR to arresting you without giving you that warning. If you have done something that might potentially get you arrested ALWAYS STFU before and after.

While that is a valid point on it's face, the law states any evidence you give against yourself once you are detained is inadmissible unless you've been Mirandized. 

The Supreme Court didn't say the suspect had to be placed under arrest.  They said:

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The requirement to give Miranda warnings came from the Supreme Court decision, Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436 (1966).
In Miranda, the Court held that a defendant cannot be questioned by police in the context of a custodial interrogation until
the defendant is made aware of the right to remain silent, the right to consult with an attorney and have the attorney present
during questioning, and the right to have an attorney appointed if indigent.

Custodial interrogation does not require there to be an official arrest.  If they have you cuffed and detained at the scene or in transit, and they get you to admit your crime before reading you your rights, they violated the SCOTUS ruling.

Now, if you're stupid and admit the crime without being questioned, that's your fault, and your statement may be used.  Normally they'll get you to repeat the admission after they read you your rights, just to make it official. 
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: eyeeatingfish on December 21, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
I am surprised that the fascist goons that defend all the despicable acts by law enforcement on this forum have not attacked your post yet.

Who defended such acts?
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 21, 2019, 08:26:37 PM
Who defended such acts?

Obviously it was "fascist goons" that defend "all the despicable acts by law enforcement."

Not some, but ALL despicable acts.


Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: tim808 on December 22, 2019, 09:54:07 AM
I think every place is going to have some bad apples.

Yes, having power could make you cocky/corrupt

Put the 2 together and bad things can happen.  I assume hpd knows that “power corrupts” and tries to have classes regarding their role to “serve and protect”

(I don’t know any one that works at hpd)
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 23, 2019, 09:36:53 AM
There's a difference between an interview and an interrogation. 
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 23, 2019, 10:42:07 AM
There's a difference between an interview and an interrogation.

Perhaps in procedure, but not in objective. 

The objective is to obtain a sworn statement that can be used to further an investigation.  Whether the interviewee is a suspect or a potential witness, the Cops are looking for new facts or inconsistencies.
Title: Re: HONOLULU FINEST
Post by: Platinum808 on January 07, 2020, 01:05:16 PM
https://youtu.be/YDVnrwdZ350