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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: hvybarrels on March 15, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
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It seems like a great excuse to do a lot of things they always wanted to do. In our own Banana Republic the bills and proclamations are being launched at a record pace but I have not heard many details about what is inside them.
Meanwhile back East:
New Orleans Mayor Cantrell is already taking the steps to limit second amendment rights if they deem it necessary.
https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/2020/03/new-orleans-louisiana-mayor-cantrell-issues-proclamation-of-state-of-emergency-grant-powers-to-suspend-sale-and-transportation-of-firearms-alcohol-explosives-and-combustibles/
NYC Gov Cuomo is ready to test the boundaries of Posse Comitatus
https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/cuomo-calls-on-trump-to-mobilize-us-military
The guy from Maui brought up the language in one of the Senate bills during last weeks hearing that would allow the state to confiscate all firearms and ammo from gun shops during a state of emergency (like right now for example). I did not realize that was one of the provisions until he mentioned it, but it makes me wonder what other rotten easter eggs are hidden in our own current batch of emergency bills and proclamations.
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Cops would never do that...
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A mayor in Illinois was just provided the legal authority to stop sales of alcoholic beverages and firearms in her town, although she "promises" she won't do that. Then why even have such an ordinance in the first place?
The city of Champaign assured people Friday it’s not banning gun or alcohol sales, or seizing property after
several conservative media outlets highlighted the mayor’s ability to take those actions as part of an emergency
declared to deal with COVID-19.
Websites including the Washington Examiner ran stories about the emergency declaration after gun-rights
groups highlighted Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen’s power to ban firearms sales under the measures and local
TV station WAND ran a story about the mayor’s declaration and a city ordinance putting an emergency into
effect. No coronavirus cases had been diagnosed in the city as of Friday, a fact noted in some of the articles.
The mayor’s powers already were in the city’s municipal code and are triggered by an emergency declaration,
according to the ordinance passed Friday and statements from city officials.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-champaign-emergency-guns-alcohol-sales-20200314-x36zrgm5pfhf5a4z5q22bjiv6q-story.html
In other words, "We're the government -- trust us".
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HRS 134-7.2
§134-7.2 Prohibition against seizure of firearms or ammunition during emergency or disaster; suspension of permit or license. (a) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 127A or any other law to the contrary, no person or government entity shall seize or confiscate, under any emergency or disaster relief powers or functions conferred, or during any emergency period, as defined in section 127A-2, or during any time of national emergency or crisis, as defined in section 134-34, any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully permitted to carry or possess the firearm or ammunition under part I of this chapter and who carries, possesses, or uses the firearm or ammunition in a lawful manner and in accordance with the criminal laws of this State.
(b) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 127A or any other law to the contrary, no person or government entity shall suspend, revoke, or limit, under any emergency or disaster relief powers or functions conferred, any lawfully acquired and maintained permit or license obtained under and in accordance with part I of this chapter.
(c) For purposes of this section, "government entity" means any unit of government in this State, including the State and any county or combination of counties, department, agency, institution, board, commission, district, council, bureau, office, governing authority, or other instrumentality of state or county government, or corporation or other establishment owned, operated, or managed by or on behalf of this State or any county. [L 2010, c 96, §1; am L 2014, c 111, §7]
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So does this mean we can all open carry? Or concealed?
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How many cops will "follow orders"?
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The state does not have any protective equipment to go confiscating. "sure, come on in officer, dont mind all the family that is coughing their heads off. You brought gloves right?"
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HRS 134-7.2
§134-7.2 Prohibition against seizure of firearms or ammunition during emergency or disaster; suspension of permit or license. (a) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 127A or any other law to the contrary, no person or government entity shall seize or confiscate, under any emergency or disaster relief powers or functions conferred, or during any emergency period, as defined in section 127A-2, or during any time of national emergency or crisis, as defined in section 134-34, any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully permitted to carry or possess the firearm or ammunition under part I of this chapter and who carries, possesses, or uses the firearm or ammunition in a lawful manner and in accordance with the criminal laws of this State.
(b) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 127A or any other law to the contrary, no person or government entity shall suspend, revoke, or limit, under any emergency or disaster relief powers or functions conferred, any lawfully acquired and maintained permit or license obtained under and in accordance with part I of this chapter.
(c) For purposes of this section, "government entity" means any unit of government in this State, including the State and any county or combination of counties, department, agency, institution, board, commission, district, council, bureau, office, governing authority, or other instrumentality of state or county government, or corporation or other establishment owned, operated, or managed by or on behalf of this State or any county. [L 2010, c 96, §1; am L 2014, c 111, §7]
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So does this mean we can all open carry? Or concealed?
That law protects against seizure from "individuals". The situations being reported involve banning sales of firearms.
In other words, the people who didn't plan ahead would be without defensive firearms -- as usual.
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Ammo buy ASAP sounds like a plan, if any shortages of your current stockpile are seen.
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So anyone who comes to take your firearm or ammo is breaking the law and since LEOs are armed, they are committing armed robbery. You have the right to defend yourself accordingly.
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The state is the least of our worries.
Google: ESF-13.
Read it and weep.
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The state is the least of our worries.
Google: ESF-13.
Read it and weep.
NG activated and a few Marines units as well.
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So anyone who comes to take your firearm or ammo is breaking the law and since LEOs are armed, they are committing armed robbery. You have the right to defend yourself accordingly.
Damn straight.
And will do so.
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So Kauai mentioned they will have a curfew from 9pm-5am. Is this legal because Martial Law hasn't been announced yet? As in, even if you're outside, KPD can't issue you a ticket or arrest you.
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So Kauai mentioned they will have a curfew from 9pm-5am. Is this legal because Martial Law hasn't been announced yet? As in, even if you're outside, KPD can't issue you a ticket or arrest you.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/03/18/kauai-mayor-institutes-nighttime-curfew-sweeping-effort-address-coronavirus/
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COVID-19: Daily update, Wednesday, March 18 #FlattenTheCurve #ShakasNotShakes
**Please click here to read the Mayor's Emergency Rule #2 for details http://www.kauai.gov/Portals/0/Civil_Defense/Emergency%20Proclamations/Mayor%27s%20Emergency%20Rule%20%232_20200318.pdf COVID-19: Daily update, Wednesday, March 18 #KauaiIsOnVacation #FlattenTheCurve #ShakasNotShakes --Nighttime curfew to go into effect starting Friday, March 20 in support of emergency efforts; Mayor’s tells visitors “Kaua‘i is on vacation”-- LĪHU‘E – Mayor Derek S.K Kawakami has implemented, via emergency rule, an islandwide nighttime curfew beginning Friday, March 20. The curfew will be in effect from 9 p.m. through 5 a.m. daily until further notice. Every individual within the County of Kaua‘i must remain in their residence during these specified hours. “This decision was made with three goals in mind - one, protecting and preserving our existing resources, two, managing the spread of COVID-19 by increasing social distancing, and three, ensuring that essential services, operations, and family care can continue,” said Mayor Kawakami. “After taking an assessment of what will likely be a very long journey for all of us and the amount of limited resources that we have, specifically public safety, first responder, and healthcare workers, we must take bold steps to ensure that our public safety officials, first responders, and healthcare workers have the necessary environment in which to keep us all safe.” Mayor’s Emergency Rule #2 sets forth exceptions to the curfew, including: 1. Commuting to and from work; 2. Working for an essential service provider whose shifts are within the curfew window; 3. Delivery services associated with food service establishments or stores that sell food and household supplies; and 4. Seeking medical attention. Our houseless community is asked to shelter in place and avoid movement during these curfew hours. Mayor Kawakami also stated that airline travel to and from the island of Kaua‘i be limited to essential needs only. “Until further notice, visitors should not be traveling to our island for recreational purposes,” emphasized the Mayor. “Kaua‘i is on vacation!” Further, vacation industry partners are urged to work with their marketing teams to refrain from marketing Kaua‘i as a place to visit during this time in order to protect the health and safety of the community. “We understand that these measures will result in hardships for many of our business owners and residents,” added Mayor Kawakami. “But the longer it takes us to make these drastic decisions, the longer it will take us to get to a point of economic recovery. Small business owners are urged to visit, https://www.sba.gov/page/coronavirus-covid-19-small-business-guidance-loan-resources for a list of available resources. Additionally, workers experiencing layoffs should visit huiclaims.hawaii.gov for assistance. A copy of the Mayor’s Emergency Rule #2 can be found online at our KEMA website dedicated to COVID-19, www.kauai.gov/covid-19. ###
Posted by County of Kaua'i on Wednesday, March 18, 2020
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Just in case you were wondering where everyone on the forum went...
https://reason.com/2020/03/21/justice-department-reportedly-asks-congress-for-indefinite-detention-powers-to-fight-coronavirus/
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Ammo buy ASAP sounds like a plan, if any shortages of your current stockpile are seen.
Min should be 2000 rds for center fire, 5000 for rimfire.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oho9KaoxI-4
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The guy from Maui brought up the language in one of the Senate bills during last weeks hearing that would allow the state to confiscate all firearms and ammo from gun shops during a state of emergency (like right now for example). I did not realize that was one of the provisions until he mentioned it, but it makes me wonder what other rotten easter eggs are hidden in our own current batch of emergency bills and proclamations.
This law is currently in the HRS for firearms, and the ammo bills amend it to include ammunition too.
4 (2) That the license during any time of national emergency
5 or crisis, as defined in section 134-34, may be
6 canceled or suspended.
7 (3) That all firearms or ammunition for any firearm in the
8 possession and control of any licensee at any time of
9 national emergency or crisis, as defined in section
10 134-34, may be seized and held in possession or
11 purchased by or on the order of the governor until
12 such time as the national emergency or crisis has
13 passed, or until such time as the licensee and the
14 government of the United States or the government of
15 the State may agree upon some other disposition of the
16 same.
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Once they activate the NG, the law is what they say it is.
I give it another week at their current pace. No way HPD can handle it on their own.
They're boiling frogs.
Stay frosty.
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Once they activate the NG, the law is what they say it is.
I give it another week at their current pace. No way HPD can handle it on their own.
They're boiling frogs.
Stay frosty.
You're quite optimistic at how quickly the military proceeds with stuff like paperwork to get folks going. . . ;D
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You're quite optimistic at how quickly the military proceeds with stuff like paperwork to get folks going. . . ;D
What makes you think the state didn't start planning NG deployment in January? :wave:
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What makes you think the state didn't start planning NG deployment in January? :wave:
Uh, I know at least one unit that started it as of today... other units, well 🤷🏻♂️
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Uh, I know at least one unit that started it as of today... other units, well 🤷🏻♂️
Ige:
(https://i.imgur.com/bjNgnZF.jpg)
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I visited my inlaws last night who came back from Taiwan in mid feb. I told my mother in law that we wont see them for 1 month (self quarantine). She was not sick, just a precaution. She told me that a little bit after we left Taiwan (mid December) is when Taiwan started to prep for CV. They closed their borders in Jan. This is what helped them have so low numbers when they are right next to China.
Weird how Taiwan isn't listed on the CDC list. I had to google and according to Taiwan news, they're at 169 cases. Which is relatively low considering how close they are to China. But many people there wear face mask anyways.
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Once they activate the NG, the law is what they say it is.
I give it another week at their current pace. No way HPD can handle it on their own.
They're boiling frogs.
Stay frosty.
Heard NG was alerted to show up this week on Oahu
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This law is currently in the HRS for firearms, and the ammo bills amend it to include ammunition too.
4 (2) That the license during any time of national emergency
5 or crisis, as defined in section 134-34, may be
6 canceled or suspended.
7 (3) That all firearms or ammunition for any firearm in the
8 possession and control of any licensee at any time of
9 national emergency or crisis, as defined in section
10 134-34, may be seized and held in possession or
11 purchased by or on the order of the governor until
12 such time as the national emergency or crisis has
13 passed, or until such time as the licensee and the
14 government of the United States or the government of
15 the State may agree upon some other disposition of the
16 same.
Too bad.
No mo' guns or boolits at LGS any mo'. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Someone was telling met that during Katrina, the cops were confiscating, but the NG said no.
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Someone was telling met that during Katrina, the cops were confiscating, but the NG said no.
I’m pretty sure it was the NG that was confiscating. I was just watching on YouTube “gun confiscation in New Orleans. It was pretty messed up. Just goes to show that whole narrative that many in the military are pro 2A and wouldn’t obey such orders is false.
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I’m pretty sure it was the NG that was confiscating. I was just watching on YouTube “gun confiscation in New Orleans. It was pretty messed up. Just goes to show that whole narrative that many in the military are pro 2A and wouldn’t obey such orders is false.
Of course it is FALSE.
The idea of NG or military not following orders to confiscate firearms from civilians is a complete FALLACY. Even if a field commander or NCO defies their orders, rest assured, THERE WILL BE some misguided patriotic young and ambitious soldiers that will follow their orders and do the bidding of the gun grabbers.
Why else are only police and military usually NOT RESTRICTED in their personal firearm purchases?
Their exemptions to such laws are to WIN THEIR LOYALTY and instill in them that they are higher up than the PEONS that make up the civilian population. Thus, this mindset creates an air of SUPERIORITY, which allows such police and military to PYSCHOLOGICALLY justify obeying their firearm confiscation orders in their own MINDS.
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Of course it is FALSE.
The idea of NG or military not following orders to confiscate firearms from civilians is a complete FALLACY. Even if a field commander or NCO defies their orders, rest assured, THERE WILL BE some misguided patriotic young and ambitious soldiers that will follow their orders and do the bidding of the gun grabbers.
Why else are only police and military usually NOT RESTRICTED in their personal firearm purchases?
Their exemptions to such laws are to WIN THEIR LOYALTY and instill in them that they are higher up than the PEONS that make up the civilian population. Thus, this mindset creates an air of SUPERIORITY, which allows such police and military to PYSCHOLOGICALLY justify obeying their firearm confiscation orders in their own MINDS.
The extra emphasis makes it kind of difficult to read. Its a nice quiet evening at home but it feels like someone is yelling at me.
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The extra emphasis makes it kind of difficult to read. Its a nice quiet evening at home but it feels like someone is yelling at me.
Sorry HB. :wave:
However, gun owners should have no illusions thinking those ordered to confiscate firearms will not carry out their orders diligently. Some of them might warn their friends in advance, but make no mistake, the majority will follow their commands without question or hesitation.
The real question for all gun owners is what they will do if/when they get the gun grabber knock at the door.
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Sorry HB. :wave:
However, gun owners should have no illusions thinking those ordered to confiscate firearms will not carry out their orders diligently. Some of them might warn their friends in advance, but make no mistake, the majority will follow their commands without question or hesitation.
The real question for all gun owners is what they will do if/when they get the gun grabber knock at the door.
It's why they'll "No Knock" at 3am. Easier to put you down.
Don't you love registration?
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Sorry HB. :wave:
However, gun owners should have no illusions thinking those ordered to confiscate firearms will not carry out their orders diligently. Some of them might warn their friends in advance, but make no mistake, the majority will follow their commands without question or hesitation.
The real question for all gun owners is what they will do if/when they get the gun grabber knock at the door.
Just like the cops cleared off the Mauna Kea Access road of TMT protesters?
Oahu may make the laws, but outer islands operate a little differently,
than you big city guys. We know where the cops live, where their wives shop,
where cops go shooting, and where their kids go to school.
No threat intended, but the BI is pretty "small town".
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It's why they'll "No Knock" at 3am. Easier to put you down.
Don't you love registration?
Personally I think you'd be crazy to register a gun here in Hawaii, but it is the law.
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Just like the cops cleared off the Mauna Kea Access road of TMT protesters?
Oahu may make the laws, but outer islands operate a little differently,
than you big city guys. We know where the cops live, where their wives shop,
where cops go shooting, and where their kids go to school.
No threat intended, but the BI is pretty "small town".
The powers that be know that.
That's what the drop shipped HPD and national guard units are for.
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The powers that be know that.
That's what the drop shipped HPD and national guard units are for.
They did send Oahu HPD over. We have guard units here.
But it is the Big island, we live here. Not really enough people to mess with
in a full scale assault.
The Oahu HPD people they sent over didn't do squat.
They were probably out gunned.
Lots of people hunt Mauna Kea.
That area can be well covered from a distance
using "back" roads.
I think the TMT is a waste of money. But I appreciate
what an engineering marvel it is and what it will
do for the community, all of US!
I will tell you it won't leave as much fecal matter on the ground,
junk, and trash as the "Hawaiians" left after their protest.
Hawaiians I used to work with and know would have not left a mess
literally and figuratively like those people did.
If I choose to hunt, that is the area of a check-in station.
Protestors trashed the area.
Very hard for me to feel much sympathy.
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"They did send Oahu HPD over. We have guard units here. But it is the Big island, we live here. Not really enough people to mess with in a full scale assault."
If the national guard units deployed are serious in confiscating guns on the Big Island, I sincerely PRAY for your safety.
"The Oahu HPD people they sent over didn't do squat. They were probably out gunned."
Maybe.
However, many HPD sent were either Hawaiian or sympathetic towards Hawaiians.
"Lots of people hunt Mauna Kea. That area can be well covered from a distance using "back" roads."
True, and I wish them success; but if Big Island gun owners try to put up a stand against the national guard units sent to enforce such laws, you will not last long against their military might.
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Kuleana,
Do you live on the BI?
Any resistance won't be a bunch of guys fighting directly against a military squad. It would be more IEDs, snipers and other forms of guerilla warfare. A lot of the subdivisions are sparsely populated with narrow gravel roads and heavy tree and vegetation growth right up to the edge of the road. Perfect conditions for that type of warfare. But of course, everyone here all obey the law and would not engage in such activities.
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Kuleana,
Do you live on the BI?
Any resistance won't be a bunch of guys fighting directly against a military squad. It would be more IEDs, snipers and other forms of guerilla warfare. A lot of the subdivisions are sparsely populated with narrow gravel roads and heavy tree and vegetation growth right up to the edge of the road. Perfect conditions for that type of warfare. But of course, everyone here all obey the law and would not engage in such activities.
If you are fighting for your God given rights, I would never go against you and actually wish you victory against any tyranny should that time come.
I am just saying be prepared because the US government and its MILITARY would have no problem going Waco, Texas on you.
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I am just saying be prepared because the US government and its MILITARY would have no problem going Waco, Texas on you.
No one here needs to worry because we are all law abiding citizens. We will gladly hand over all registered firearms that did not get lost recently. Was unable to report it because of the jammed phone lines and stay home order.
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No one here needs to worry because we are all law abiding citizens. We will gladly hand over all registered firearms that did not get lost recently. Was unable to report it because of the jammed phone lines and stay home order.
Amen.