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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: poke on August 06, 2020, 08:59:52 PM
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1291090345103679494
If Biden becomes president, he will confiscate your guns via executive order, and no one (not the USSC, Congress, militias, etc) will stop him.
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To follow onto his Tweet ...
Obama put Biden in charge of the panel to come up with ways to prevent future Sandy Hook type shootings.
After a few hearings and no real public input, the results were totally dismal.
He's the reason Obama said in an end-of-term interview that his one regret is that he didn't do as much to create more "common sense" gun control as he wanted.
The only thing Biden can propose now is a "solution" that was tried for 10 years and which had no measurable effect on crime, good or bad.
If he actually does win, Biden will be the first Lame Duck President to be inaugurated. He's done nothing in his 50 years in government except make himself, his family, and his donors richer.
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:rofl: looking at the Twitter comments
No brakes on the Hate Train
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1291090345103679494
If Biden becomes president, he will confiscate your guns via executive order, and no one (not the USSC, Congress, militias, etc) will stop him.
Not gonna happen, no way an executive order would ever accomplish such a thing.
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Not gonna happen, no way an executive order would ever accomplish such a thing.
You seriously underestimate the stupidity of Democrats.
They just destroyed a vibrant economy, just because
they don't like a RINO.
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You seriously underestimate the stupidity of Democrats.
They just destroyed a vibrant economy, just because
they don't like a RINO.
I agree with you on this.
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You seriously underestimate the stupidity of Democrats.
They just destroyed a vibrant economy, just because
they don't like a RINO.
Oh Biden can make whatever proclamations or executive orders he wants but he can't pass law or make law enforcement enforce said non-existent law.
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Oh Biden can make whatever proclamations or executive orders he wants but he can't pass law or make law enforcement enforce said non-existent law.
I remember a past President that said if I like my health insurance - I can keep my health insurance.
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Oh Biden can make whatever proclamations or executive orders he wants but he can't pass law or make law enforcement enforce said non-existent law.
You are so ignorant.
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I keep thinking of that video when the auto worker asked Biden if he becomes president will he take away his (auto worker talking) guns.
Biden made "big body" and got flustered. The auto worker remained calm.
It was commented earlier in another thread about people under 25 being still immature. With Joe Biden he proved no matter how old you are, you will never grow up.
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You are so ignorant.
Yes, he is ignorant -- or willfully blind.
All throughout Obama's AND BIDEN'S 8 year administration, Obama repeatedly said the Legislature needed to come up with immigration reform, specifically to address the dependents of illegals who have lived their whole lives in the US but were not old enough to make that choice at the time. After saying over and over that the Executive Office did not have the power to create law, he signed the XO anyway enacting DACA. His stated purpose was to give Congress a nudge in that direction so they can finally do their jobs and pass reform bills. Didn't happen, so his ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL Executive Order stood until Trump canceled it.
Biden may not have the right to legally ban Assault Weapons on his own (though he could effectively do so via ATF rules), however his mentor taught him the Constitution is of no concern when you really, really want to do something, and Congress is unwilling to assist.
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Then bullets will fly.......
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I remember a past President that said if I like my health insurance - I can keep my health insurance.
That is entirely different. Obamacare wasn't some executive order.
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Yes, he is ignorant -- or willfully blind.
All throughout Obama's AND BIDEN'S 8 year administration, Obama repeatedly said the Legislature needed to come up with immigration reform, specifically to address the dependents of illegals who have lived their whole lives in the US but were not old enough to make that choice at the time. After saying over and over that the Executive Office did not have the power to create law, he signed the XO anyway enacting DACA. His stated purpose was to give Congress a nudge in that direction so they can finally do their jobs and pass reform bills. Didn't happen, so his ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL Executive Order stood until Trump canceled it.
Biden may not have the right to legally ban Assault Weapons on his own (though he could effectively do so via ATF rules), however his mentor taught him the Constitution is of no concern when you really, really want to do something, and Congress is unwilling to assist.
Apples and oranges.
An executive order by Obama that directed Immigration to not enforce deportation against the dreamers was not creating laws and enforcing them against people. The president could not make an executive order that makes laws out of thin air. You can't compare making a law to refrain from enforcing a law.
And here I thought you at least understood the government better.
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That is entirely different. Obamacare wasn't some executive order.
Obama?
Oh, yeah. That guy who publicly announced, "I have a phone and a pen." :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
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Apples and oranges.
An executive order by Obama that directed Immigration to not enforce deportation against the dreamers was not creating laws and enforcing them against people. The president could not make an executive order that makes laws out of thin air. You can't compare making a law to refrain from enforcing a law.
And here I thought you at least understood the government better.
Get a clue:
The Obama administration chose to deploy DACA by Executive Branch memorandum—despite the fact that Congress affirmatively rejected
such a program in the normal legislative process on multiple occasions. The constitutionality of this action has been widely questioned since its inception.
https://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca
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Get a clue:
The Obama administration chose to deploy DACA by Executive Branch memorandum—despite the fact that Congress affirmatively rejected
such a program in the normal legislative process on multiple occasions. The constitutionality of this action has been widely questioned since its inception.
https://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca
Nonetheless, DACA didn't write any new laws.
Take marijuana as an example. Trump could write an executive order telling federal agencies to not enforce marijuana laws. However if marijuana were completely legal, Trump couldn't write an executive order and make it suddenly illegal.
Biden is no friend to our cause and I have no doubt he would sign anti gun legislation but fear mongering that he can get all our guns taken away via an executive order is just riling up the ignorant.
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Nonetheless, DACA didn't write any new laws.
Take marijuana as an example. Trump could write an executive order telling federal agencies to not enforce marijuana laws. However if marijuana were completely legal, Trump couldn't write an executive order and make it suddenly illegal.
Biden is no friend to our cause and I have no doubt he would sign anti gun legislation but fear mongering that he can get all our guns taken away via an executive order is just riling up the ignorant.
There you go again, arguing about a technical detail that NOBODY ELSE stated.
Biden would ALSO not be creating a new "LAW".
Stop being so ignorant -- or argumentative for the sake of arguing.
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There you go again, arguing about a technical detail that NOBODY ELSE stated.
Biden would ALSO not be creating a new "LAW".
Stop being so ignorant -- or argumentative for the sake of arguing.
Read the original post. It claimed Biden is going to take your guns by executive order. That is what I responded to, that is the inaccurate claim I am correcting.
If it could have been done through executive order then wouldn't Obama have done it when he was there for 8 years? Stop fear mongering.
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Read the original post. It claimed Biden is going to take your guns by executive order. That is what I responded to, that is the inaccurate claim I am correcting.
If it could have been done through executive order then wouldn't Obama have done it when he was there for 8 years? Stop fear mongering.
Fear mongering?
You mean, like telling people they will catch a disease and die unless everyone wears a mask all the time?
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“If Biden becomes president, he will confiscate your guns via executive order, and no one (not the USSC, Congress, militias, etc) will stop him.” (From the first post):
This is actually not true; and spreading false information like this is troubling.
He proposes to do a lot of things we may not be in favor of; like renewing the assault weapons ban, requiring their registration (which we already have to do in Hawaii) and doing buy back programs for large capacity mags and assault rifles. Also, proposes to ban internet sales of guns and ammo. You can read it all here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
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“If Biden becomes president, he will confiscate your guns via executive order, and no one (not the USSC, Congress, militias, etc) will stop him.” (From the first post):
This is actually not true; and spreading false information like this is troubling.
He proposes to do a lot of things we may not be in favor of; like renewing the assault weapons ban, requiring their registration (which we already have to do in Hawaii) and doing buy back programs for large capacity mags and assault rifles. Also, proposes to ban internet sales of guns and ammo. You can read it all here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
The TOPIC TITLE is about a Biden Assault Weapons Ban. The comment that he will confiscate your guns is accurate in that context. Taken out of context, you might think he meant ALL guns, not just Assault Weapons.
I think Joe will overstep the Constitution, just like Obama taught him-- immediate results in the face of constitutional challenges later. Obamacare was unconstitutional as passed by Congress until they changed the mandatory ":fee" to a "tax".
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I don't trust ANYTHING this Biden guy puts out. Proof below:
http://youtu.be/nzBdBj5QWyY
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The TOPIC TITLE is about a Biden Assault Weapons Ban. The comment that he will confiscate your guns is accurate in that context. Taken out of context, you might think he meant ALL guns, not just Assault Weapons.
I think Joe will overstep the Constitution, just like Obama taught him-- immediate results in the face of constitutional challenges later. Obamacare was unconstitutional as passed by Congress until they changed the mandatory ":fee" to a "tax".
It was always a tax. Just because they didn't call it a tax didn't mean it wasn't a tax. They claimed it wasn't a tax because they knew it was hard to sell new taxes to people.
Biden wouldn't be able to overstep the constitution and ban assault rifles. That type of power does not exist within the powers of the president. You keep avoiding that fact.
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“If Biden becomes president, he will confiscate your guns via executive order, and no one (not the USSC, Congress, militias, etc) will stop him.” (From the first post):
This is actually not true; and spreading false information like this is troubling.
He proposes to do a lot of things we may not be in favor of; like renewing the assault weapons ban, requiring their registration (which we already have to do in Hawaii) and doing buy back programs for large capacity mags and assault rifles. Also, proposes to ban internet sales of guns and ammo. You can read it all here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
It's not true until it becomes true. Worse things have happened by Executive Order, see below.
It was always a tax. Just because they didn't call it a tax didn't mean it wasn't a tax. They claimed it wasn't a tax because they knew it was hard to sell new taxes to people.
Biden wouldn't be able to overstep the constitution and ban assault rifles. That type of power does not exist within the powers of the president. You keep avoiding that fact.
Oh? You sure about that EEF? Look up Executive Order 9066. Seems A LOT of the Constitution was trampled in that one.
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Yes, he is ignorant -- or willfully blind.
Once again, I do not understand why some of you reply to this leftist clown. He is clearly paid to troll, or has some serious mental issues.
There is some old hag like this one that trolls the Hawaii Tribune Herald rag comments, driven (paid?) to reply negatively to every post with a slightly conservative view.
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It was always a tax. Just because they didn't call it a tax didn't mean it wasn't a tax. They claimed it wasn't a tax because they knew it was hard to sell new taxes to people.
Biden wouldn't be able to overstep the constitution and ban assault rifles. That type of power does not exist within the powers of the president. You keep avoiding that fact.
It was pushed through by the Democrat controlled Congress without the tax being called a tax, just to avoid Democrats voting against THE LARGEST SINGLE NEW TAX IN US HISTORY.
They literally lied about the penalty being a "fee" to pass it. Then when challenged, they changed the wording.
Bait and switch? Absolutely. The law should have been repealed in it's first year as being a fabricated system of fees.
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It was pushed through by the Democrat controlled Congress without the tax being called a tax, just to avoid Democrats voting against THE LARGEST SINGLE NEW TAX IN US HISTORY.
They literally lied about the penalty being a "fee" to pass it. Then when challenged, they changed the wording.
Bait and switch? Absolutely. The law should have been repealed in it's first year as being a fabricated system of fees.
You are right, they lied to the people but that never changed what it was the whole time. No one changed it into a tax, it was always a tax. I could see that without SCOTUS having to rule on it, it was obvious.
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Oh? You sure about that EEF? Look up Executive Order 9066. Seems A LOT of the Constitution was trampled in that one.
Executive order 9066 was subsequently backed up by Public Law 503 which passed through congress. That is what gave it the force of law. Biden would still have to have congress pass a law to enforce an executive order confiscating assault rifles.
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You are right, they lied to the people but that never changed what it was the whole time. No one changed it into a tax, it was always a tax. I could see that without SCOTUS having to rule on it, it was obvious.
Good for you, but you having an opinion in no way changes what happened.
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Executive order 9066 was subsequently backed up by Public Law 503 which passed through congress. That is what gave it the force of law. Biden would still have to have congress pass a law to enforce an executive order confiscating assault rifles.
FDR and Congress faced intense political pressure from western states to deal with the “Japanese problem”. EO 9066 was the result. 77-503 is widely regarded as political cover and a “rubber stamp” to give the illusion of constitutionality.
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there are dumb people backing this dumb candidate - Joe Biden. This is his 3rd Presidential attempt.
“I’ve done some dumb things, and I’ll do dumb things again. Ladies and gentlemen, I’ve been dumb” - Joe Biden 1988
He said it himself - that he will do dumb things again. I have no doubt if the American people are dumb as he is to vote this dumb candidate in he will take your firearms away. Because Americans would be too dumb to think about the Constitution and laws.
Fuck Biden!
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Yet so many people back Biden out of pure hatred for Trump. When asked why they hate Trump, many can’t articulate exactly and lots are because of emotion and based on what friends and media portray.
Like one in this thread, trying to counter argue EOs don’t have effect and sort of “no harm, no foul” as long at it is eventually backed by law. Totally missing the point, which often happens when arguments are based on emotions rather than rational thought. For if someone did finish the emotional thought, they would see the danger in what that person was defending. Well, maybe apparently not as some still seem to be defending it. . . Maybe they view those EOs as not impacting them. . . sigh
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Straight from the a**’ mouth...
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
“Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. “
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“If Biden becomes president, he will confiscate your guns via executive order, and no one (not the USSC, Congress, militias, etc) will stop him.” (From the first post):
This is actually not true; and spreading false information like this is troubling.
He proposes to do a lot of things we may not be in favor of; like renewing the assault weapons ban, requiring their registration (which we already have to do in Hawaii) and doing buy back programs for large capacity mags and assault rifles. Also, proposes to ban internet sales of guns and ammo. You can read it all here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
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"definitions of assault weapons include: Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine"
So you'll get to keep your revolver, your break barrels and any long gun with a built in magazine (mostly 5 rounds) or tube (maybe 15 rounds).
You good with that ?
And BTW, that would be a "MANDATORY BUY BACK" which they did not sell to me. :wacko:
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Good for you, but you having an opinion in no way changes what happened.
Talking about facts here, not your fear mongering
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FDR and Congress faced intense political pressure from western states to deal with the “Japanese problem”. EO 9066 was the result. 77-503 is widely regarded as political cover and a “rubber stamp” to give the illusion of constitutionality.
Agreed. But until Biden could get congress to bend over for him and go along, he can't ban assault weapons via executive order