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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Brystont1 on November 06, 2020, 09:59:37 AM
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What does he expect to happen with vote recounts and going to the Supreme Court?
From the democrats perspective they seem to believe that the votes being counted now are legit mail in ballots that were received on Election Day but because there’s so many they are taking longer to count. If this is the case then the election is over.
What I don’t understand is Trumps argument. Is he saying that these late counted votes are still being submitted after Election Day? Is he saying these ballots are not legit? Let’s say for a second that he’s completely right, how will he prove ballots came in after November 3rd?
The only way I can see these being overturned is if they can prove that a lot of these ballots were arriving after November 3rd. Or that dead registered voter ballots were being submitted by the 10s of thousands.
This is a cluster fuck of an election and the Democrats are to blame with these bullshit mail in ballot rules.
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I think it depends on which state. I THINK (because I haven’t spent the time to verify) is in some states, the rules were changed (made up) by election officials, not the state legislature. Or other “officials” that didn’t have the authority to make the changes per the particular state’s constitution, laws, etc.
Will see if the “proof” of fraud comes out. Videos of election officials stuffing ballot boxes, USPS whistle blowers, etc.
Then again, media coverage of “course” will be totally unbiased. But if the roles were reversed...
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What does he expect to happen with vote recounts and going to the Supreme Court?
From the democrats perspective they seem to believe that the votes being counted now are legit mail in ballots that were received on Election Day but because there’s so many they are taking longer to count. If this is the case then the election is over.
What I don’t understand is Trumps argument. Is he saying that these late counted votes are still being submitted after Election Day? Is he saying these ballots are not legit? Let’s say for a second that he’s completely right, how will he prove ballots came in after November 3rd?
The only way I can see these being overturned is if they can prove that a lot of these ballots were arriving after November 3rd. Or that dead registered voter ballots were being submitted by the 10s of thousands.
This is a cluster fuck of an election and the Democrats are to blame with these bullshit mail in ballot rules.
He's desperate not to lose. This is why Republicans are distancing themselves from him. He's going a bit nuts and screaming fake news. The Supreme Court won't be able to make him president. I think he should admit defeat so the Republicans can save the senate. That's our real hope. In 2024 we can get another Republican after the nation sees how bad Biden is.
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I don't see Trump winning this election based on votes, the totals are trending too far off. You could make a case for hundreds, maybe a few thousand, are fraudulent. But not 10k+ unless they have good evidence of government sponsored fraud.
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I don't see Trump winning this election based on votes, the totals are trending too far off. You could make a case for hundreds, maybe a few thousand, are fraudulent. But not 10k+ unless they have good evidence of government sponsored fraud.
This exactly.
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The court cases helps the investigation to happen. There is a calculated reason for everything,
PA counting kicked out the GOP observers. They went to court and won and showed up again with the court order. They were still not allowed in to observe (video proof on line for omni). By law, observers from both parties have to be present while counting.
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The court cases helps the investigation to happen. There is a calculated reason for everything,
PA counting kicked out the GOP observers. They went to court and won and showed up again with the court order. They were still not allowed in to observe (video proof on line for omni). By law, observers from both parties have to be present while counting.
Yeah I agree with you guys that should be allowed. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think are allowed to observe now. They do have a camera and international election monitors.
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Yeah I agree with you guys that should be allowed. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think are allowed to observe now. They do have a camera and international election monitors.
I meant that theres video of the GOP observeres showing up to the counting center with the court order and still being denied access.
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He's desperate not to lose. This is why Republicans are distancing themselves from him. He's going a bit nuts and screaming fake news. The Supreme Court won't be able to make him president. I think he should admit defeat so the Republicans can save the senate. That's our real hope. In 2024 we can get another Republican after the nation sees how bad Biden is.
Based on the Dem Progressive agenda, we may be shooting our way back. Between his visible plan and what Harris and the progressive left want to do..... we're fucked
His plan direct from his website https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
Hold gun manufacturers accountable.
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. No more AR or AK or any magazines with more than 10 rounds
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. -That nasty $200 fee per gun and national registration
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Forced confiscation
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
Require background checks for all gun sales.
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions.
And the list goes on
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Based on the Dem Progressive agenda, we may be shooting our way back. Between his visible plan and what Harris and the progressive left want to do..... we're fucked
His plan direct from his website https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
Hold gun manufacturers accountable.
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. No more AR or AK or any magazines with more than 10 rounds
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. -That nasty $200 fee per gun and national registration
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Forced confiscation
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
Require background checks for all gun sales.
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions.
And the list goes on
I will not comply.
Hell, at my age, just a matter of time until something or other kills me.
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Based on the Dem Progressive agenda, we may be shooting our way back. Between his visible plan and what Harris and the progressive left want to do..... we're fucked
His plan direct from his website https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
Hold gun manufacturers accountable.
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. No more AR or AK or any magazines with more than 10 rounds
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. -That nasty $200 fee per gun and national registration
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Forced confiscation
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
Require background checks for all gun sales.
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions.
And the list goes on
You're also forgetting the tax per magazine you own.
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Based on the Dem Progressive agenda, we may be shooting our way back. Between his visible plan and what Harris and the progressive left want to do..... we're fucked
His plan direct from his website https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
Hold gun manufacturers accountable.
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. No more AR or AK or any magazines with more than 10 rounds
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. -That nasty $200 fee per gun and national registration
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Forced confiscation
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
Require background checks for all gun sales.
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions.
And the list goes on
I agree, but without congress there is only so much he can do. And if he does executive without laws, the next president on day one can get rid of all executive orders. So the major fight right now is Georgia and keeping congress red. Also the supreme court is now very conservative can rule that everything he does anti-gun is against the 2nd amendment. Without congress he cant pack the courts to change that. I am currently seeing if there is anything I can do to make sure liberals don't control congress.
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I agree, but without congress there is only so much he can do. And if he does executive without laws, the next president on day one can get rid of all executive orders. So the major fight right now is Georgia and keeping congress red. Also the supreme court is now very conservative can rule that everything he does anti-gun is against the 2nd amendment. Without congress he cant pack the courts to change that.
You're forgetting, until the XO is deleted, by either new president or court, you still have to abide by it. Clinton passsed the assault weapons ban that lasted 10 years. No court over turned it. So for 10 years it was in effect. Luckily, I wasn't old enough to own a firearm so it didn't affect me, but I don't want that happening a 2nd time.
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I will not comply.
Hell, at my age, just a matter of time until something or other kills me.
Agreed.
I'm tired of all this Government loving, Progressive
Liberal BS.
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I will not comply.
Hell, at my age, just a matter of time until something or other kills me.
You can also walk around with your balls hanging out and no one really would be mad. I can't wait until I'm old enough to do that. But the big questions is will I be aware I'm doing it by choice? :rofl: :rofl:
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https://youtu.be/3P36qnU-Ozc
6,000 trump votes given to democrats due to “software glitch” that was also used in 40+ counties in michigan.
:popcorn:
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Trump is not as worried about winning as he is exposing the corruption that is the Deep State/Democrat Party.
If he files lawsuits, he can depose leaders of the various states. Under Oath.
If he can get enough evidence that there were irregularities and fraud, regardless of the number of votes proven to be fraudulent, it throws the election result into doubt. If enough doubt is generated, the Supreme Court could very possibly decide that the election was not held in a proper way. If they invalidate the results, then the election is given to Congress to decide. if that happens, Trump wins (House selects President, Senate selects VP).
Example: If I find a rat in my can of food, and the packing company argues there's no evidence showing a rat getting into that specific can of beans, then it's up to me to prove that it's POSSIBLE that the rat was put in the can at that plant.
I only need to show that the PROCESS on the canning machine line offers the OPPORTUNITY for a rat to make its way into the canning machine. I could be trying to scam the company for a payday, so they are not going to settle if they think there's no way the animal made it there.
Just like that scenario, Trump doesn't have to prove that X number of ballots that he lost by were fraudulent. He just has to place enough doubt on the process to prove it was POSSIBLE for fraud to occur. There are stories of thousands of fraudulent acts at all levels of the process as well as improper security and deliberate lack of transparency across several states. These proven instances of fraud prove there was an OPPORTUNITY for someone to commit fraud -- POSSIBLY to the degree that it could have changed the outcome.
If Trump is 10K ballots behind, that does NOT prove there were 10K+ extra Biden ballots. But if the process was not controlled, it does prove that there could have been 5K illegal ballots for Biden, and another 5K+ Trump ballots that might have gone missing. When you add ballots without tossing a similar number, the vote totals become red flags. If you get 10K ballots from a precinct of 8K registered voters -- that MIGHT be a problem!
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Trump is not as worried about winning as he is exposing the corruption that is the Deep State/Democrat Party.
If he files lawsuits, he can depose leaders of the various states. Under Oath.
If he can get enough evidence that there were irregularities and fraud, regardless of the number of votes proven to be fraudulent, it throws the election result into doubt. If enough doubt is generated, the Supreme Court could very possibly decide that the election was not held in a proper way. If they invalidate the results, then the election is given to Congress to decide. if that happens, Trump wins (House selects President, Senate selects VP).
Example: If I find a rat in my can of food, and the packing company argues there's no evidence showing a rat getting into that specific can of beans, then it's up to me to prove that it's POSSIBLE that the rat was put in the can at that plant.
I only need to show that the PROCESS on the canning machine line offers the OPPORTUNITY for a rat to make its way into the canning machine. I could be trying to scam the company for a payday, so they are not going to settle if they think there's no way the animal made it there.
Just like that scenario, Trump doesn't have to prove that X number of ballots that he lost by were fraudulent. He just has to place enough doubt on the process to prove it was POSSIBLE for fraud to occur. There are stories of thousands of fraudulent acts at all levels of the process as well as improper security and deliberate lack of transparency across several states. These proven instances of fraud prove there was an OPPORTUNITY for someone to commit fraud -- POSSIBLY to the degree that it could have changed the outcome.
If Trump is 10K ballots behind, that does NOT prove there were 10K+ extra Biden ballots. But if the process was not controlled, it does prove that there could have been 5K illegal ballots for Biden, and another 5K+ Trump ballots that might have gone missing. When you add ballots without tossing a similar number, the vote totals become red flags. If you get 10K ballots from a precinct of 8K registered voters -- that MIGHT be a problem!
How would Trump win if Congress was to decide? The house is controlled be democrats.
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6,000 trump votes given to democrats due to “software glitch” that was also used in 40+ counties in michigan.
:popcorn:
How many Republican-run States have these kinds of "glitches?"
Why are these issues always AGAINST the GOP and in FAVOR OF the Dems?
After so many "coincidences", it becomes apparent that these conspiracy theories are not just theories.
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How would Trump win if Congress was to decide? The house is controlled be democrats.
the house votes by state...
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Trump is not as worried about winning as he is exposing the corruption that is the Deep State/Democrat Party.
If he files lawsuits, he can depose leaders of the various states. Under Oath.
If he can get enough evidence that there were irregularities and fraud, regardless of the number of votes proven to be fraudulent, it throws the election result into doubt. If enough doubt is generated, the Supreme Court could very possibly decide that the election was not held in a proper way. If they invalidate the results, then the election is given to Congress to decide. if that happens, Trump wins (House selects President, Senate selects VP).
Example: If I find a rat in my can of food, and the packing company argues there's no evidence showing a rat getting into that specific can of beans, then it's up to me to prove that it's POSSIBLE that the rat was put in the can at that plant.
I only need to show that the PROCESS on the canning machine line offers the OPPORTUNITY for a rat to make its way into the canning machine. I could be trying to scam the company for a payday, so they are not going to settle if they think there's no way the animal made it there.
Just like that scenario, Trump doesn't have to prove that X number of ballots that he lost by were fraudulent. He just has to place enough doubt on the process to prove it was POSSIBLE for fraud to occur. There are stories of thousands of fraudulent acts at all levels of the process as well as improper security and deliberate lack of transparency across several states. These proven instances of fraud prove there was an OPPORTUNITY for someone to commit fraud -- POSSIBLY to the degree that it could have changed the outcome.
If Trump is 10K ballots behind, that does NOT prove there were 10K+ extra Biden ballots. But if the process was not controlled, it does prove that there could have been 5K illegal ballots for Biden, and another 5K+ Trump ballots that might have gone missing. When you add ballots without tossing a similar number, the vote totals become red flags. If you get 10K ballots from a precinct of 8K registered voters -- that MIGHT be a problem!
This is very useful info. I was just talking to someone about this and what purpose would a SCOTUS suit have. I just said probably so an official investigation can be done.
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How would Trump win if Congress was to decide? The house is controlled be democrats.
Because the House Delegations each get one vote per state, not one per house member.
So, HI and CA each get the same number of votes: 1.
There are more Red states in the House than Blue states. It's only by one state, but that means the tally would be 26 for Trump, 24 for Biden.
And, according to the Constitution, it's the INCOMING Congress that decides. Several state elections are still undecided, but the GOP retained their 26 state majority, plus they look to have picked up 2 more: Minnesota and Iowa. :thumbsup:
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How many Republican-run States have these kinds of "glitches?"
Why are these issues always AGAINST the GOP and in FAVOR OF the Dems?
After so many "coincidences", it becomes apparent that these conspiracy theories are not just theories.
Republican states tend to be smaller and more rural with less issues.
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Republican states tend to be smaller and more rural with less issues.
Or DNC controlled areas cheat.
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You're forgetting, until the XO is deleted, by either new president or court, you still have to abide by it. Clinton passsed the assault weapons ban that lasted 10 years. No court over turned it. So for 10 years it was in effect. Luckily, I wasn't old enough to own a firearm so it didn't affect me, but I don't want that happening a 2nd time.
That was a law. Not a XO. Much different. Biden can't pass any laws if Republicans control congress.
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Or DNC controlled areas cheat.
It's more like of you need to plan a party one with 100 people will be easier with less issues than one with 1000. There was less changes like mail in voting and other things that influence that too.
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Republican states tend to be smaller and more rural with less issues.
And they buy their software from the "Fair Election" store, whereas the Dem states shop at "Democrats-R-Us?"
Please. The size state has NOTHING to do with the process they use. Voting and counting is by county.
Try getting a clue.
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Republican states tend to be smaller and more rural with less issues.
Yeah, like Texas and Florida you goddamned moron idiot. Please excuse the redundancy.
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Yeah, like Texas and Florida you goddamned moron idiot. Please excuse the redundancy.
Why is Alaska a republican state not done counting? There are hundreds of factors that influence the speed at which the state can count. Florida and Texas could start counting early. Texas 12 days before the election. This means they have a head start. Unlike Philadelphia which mandated no counts till after election. I won't call you names, but try think a bit?
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Why is Alaska a republican state not done counting? There are hundreds of factors that influence the speed at which the state can count. Florida and Texas could start counting early. Texas 12 days before the election. This means they have a head start. Unlike Philadelphia which mandated no counts till after election. I won't call you names, but try think a bit?
Ever been to Alaska, the largest US State by land mass, most of which can only be reached by air?
Ever hear of a Search Engine? It's NOT in your Prius' owner's manual.
According to Gail Fenumiai, the director of the Alaska Division of Elections, there are 23,271 early
and absentee ballots deemed eligible for counting. These are already received and reviewed as
eligible. They sent out another 12,541 absentee ballots and if postmarked by November 4th, ballots
can arrive legally 15 days after the election and still be properly counted. Of course, they have no
idea how many of those will be returned.
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There are also an unknown amount of provisional ballots, which are ballots that may have been cast
at an incorrect polling location or if a poll monitor couldn’t find a voter’s name, amongst other possible
irregularities. In 2010, there were about 13,000, but they have no idea if the number will be the same.
The ballots are currently being reviewed for eligibility. There are also an additional 2,651 statewide
early votes that remain to be counted. On top of those votes, there are absentee ballots coming in daily
from Alaska’s over 200 in-person voting locations. Some that arrived before Election Day have been
counted, but none of the ballots coming in from as many as 120 rural communities have been tabulated
yet. The number of those are completely unknown.
In addition to these ballots there are about 2,000 urban early votes that have yet to be counted. They
will be counted on November 11th, 14th, and then from the 17th through the 19th if necessary. Remember
in Alaska, absentees are sent in from remote locales so these races may not be called for quite a while.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/midterm-elections-2014-alaskas-election-results-taking-sooooo/story?id=26744462
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Ever been to Alaska, the largest US State by land mass, most of which can only be reached by air?
Ever hear of a Search Engine? It's NOT in your Prius' owner's manual.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/midterm-elections-2014-alaskas-election-results-taking-sooooo/story?id=26744462
Other than ignoring the part that I proved you wrong. You made my point. There are many factors to why some elections take longer than others. Thanks
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