Post by: changemyoil66 on April 30, 2021, 09:23:50 AM
Ige's proclamation is still in effect, so if your schedule doesn't permit, there is no need to rush to register.
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 09:25:39 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 30, 2021, 09:33:22 AM
Maybe it's their way of easing slowly back to how it was before. It's a start.
Post by: dv808 on April 30, 2021, 05:26:39 PM
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Post by: stangzilla on April 30, 2021, 05:36:58 PM
if i already have an appt, i no like wait in line
Post by: dv808 on April 30, 2021, 06:58:50 PM
what if you already have an appt after may 10. will they still honor your appt?Wondering same thing... I have an appt on the 10th.
if i already have an appt, i no like wait in line
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Post by: aletheuo137 on May 01, 2021, 02:06:06 PM
Wondering same thing... I have an appt on the 10th.Do you have to show your vaccination passport too!
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Post by: aletheuo137 on May 01, 2021, 03:52:38 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 03, 2021, 12:29:57 PM
Does anyone have an update on this? I have a permit to acquire appt in July but it’d be really nice to just walk in.
By the current info given, this is for registration only. So keep your PTA.
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Post by: waterhome on May 05, 2021, 03:29:34 PM
Post by: stangzilla on May 05, 2021, 04:04:37 PM
Was told today, walk ins for reg only. 50 per day they gonna do.
in addition to the appointments, right?
bc i'm bringing my printed appt, and they better honor it bc its in writing.
Post by: Eric808 on May 05, 2021, 04:25:16 PM
Post by: stangzilla on May 05, 2021, 04:46:02 PM
The Officer doing the COVID check in today told someon ethat they will be doing the appointments first and if have time available, the would be taking the walk ins.
thanks for the update :shaka:
Post by: dogman on May 05, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
The Officer doing the COVID check in today told someon ethat they will be doing the appointments first and if have time available, the would be taking the walk ins.That makes too much sense.
Post by: omnigun on May 05, 2021, 05:31:40 PM
The Officer doing the COVID check in today told someon ethat they will be doing the appointments first and if have time available, the would be taking the walk ins.
If that's the case, be prepared to wait a LONG time for walk ins. When I went the past few times there was no time before or after me. Imagine waiting for hours till someone skips.
Post by: Urusai on May 05, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 05, 2021, 06:18:54 PM
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Post by: jc2721 on May 05, 2021, 06:39:26 PM
That makes too much sense.lol, you're right about that!
Post by: surfmaster on May 05, 2021, 07:54:35 PM
Walk-in registration for firearms will begin on Monday, May 10, 2021 at the HPD Firearms Section at 801 S. Beretania Street. Registrations will be limited to no more than 50 persons each day. Online registration appointments that were made earlier will be honored. However, new registration appointments may no longer be made online.
Appointments for firearms permits will continue to be online only.
No walk-ins will be accepted for firearms permits.
The public will not be allowed to line up before 7 a.m., and COVID screening checks and facial masks are required. Please be aware that street parking at HPD headquarters is presently limited due to construction work.
Looks like they will take up to 50 in-person registrations a day starting Monday, May 10.
Permits to acquire still need to be booked online - an almost impossible task to find an opening.
In summary, registration is a much bigger priority than issuing permits to buyers. Oh well, not surprising at all.
Post by: omnigun on May 05, 2021, 08:45:16 PM
Post by: macsak on May 05, 2021, 09:00:17 PM
WTF that's worse. I honestly liked the appointment system. I was hoping for a hybrid. Looks like instead of 50 registration slots online they making 50 people stand in physical line....that's fucking stupid. They should have 2 lines. One online and one offline...How does one complain to them so they can change their minds.
i'm sure they will change it right away for you...
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 06, 2021, 06:15:29 AM
Have a gun? Wanna register it? No problem. Walk ins start May 10th.
Wanna own a gun? Wanna get a permit to acquire? Sorry, current appointments are booked solid for the next 90 days. Keep trying........ :crazy:
Post by: aaronc5362 on May 06, 2021, 06:19:16 AM
During covid i went there, maybe 2 or 3 times for pta and 2 times for registering.
Every single time i went i was alone except 1 pta. There was an old guy sitting and filling out paperwork.
Anyways, i spent time talking with the officers cause they had questions (nothing to do with my paperwork) it was like, my spray painting on the ar15s, my geissele trigger, work related stuff, etc. And maybe each time i spent 40-70 minutes talking. Some are on here, 2ahawaii so we talked some too.. as well as, I saw my friends couple times in the back so we talked as well lol. So many no shows that it was sickening. There couldve been hundreds of people who needed that time slot get their shit done.
I know i know, hpd gets paid by the hour, but even i get bored AF when its slow when i work.
So maybe if people dont show up for their appointments they can squeeze people in between slots? Or if a person finishes quickly like 5 to 10 min they can use the remaining time to fit another person in to register.
This works great for long gun people too!
Only time will tell to see how it goes.
Post by: omnigun on May 06, 2021, 06:19:51 AM
i'm sure they will change it right away for you...
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would complain...appointments are amazing. Most places use them. Then having a secondary line for those who want to take their chance is how places like the dmv work. It's a good system. 👍
Post by: stangzilla on May 06, 2021, 06:59:38 AM
There are very little guns out there to buy
I have an appt coming up but I cant find anything that I want locally or online
Post by: 6716J on May 06, 2021, 07:44:21 AM
HiFiCo---
HPD Confirms Intent to Violate HIFICO Settlement Agreement.
Last week we bought you the news that HPD intended to open for walk-ins on May 10th, Today they confirmed via their website that this is true.
From HonoluluPD.org; "Walk-in registration for firearms will begin on Monday, May 10, 2021, at the HPD Firearms Section at 801 S. Beretania Street. Registrations will be limited to no more than 50 persons each day.... Appointments for firearms permits will continue to be online only.
No walk-ins will be accepted for firearms permits."
As you can see, HPD does intend to restrict access to the department based on the type of service needed and only to a limited number of people.
Right before the pandemic started, Hawaii Firearms Coalition Director Todd Yukutake filed a lawsuit against HPD and the State of Hawaii, alleging that its implementation of the permitting and registration laws was too restrictive in availability. With limited hours the scheme was burdensome and unconstitutional.
The City and County (HPD) quickly settled and in doing so, agreed that in addition to its regular opening hours (8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m) they would open from 7:45am until 6:30pm every Wednesday. Not only that, but any person who was in line by 6:30pm will get assisted before the department closes.
Over the last year, HIFICO has let HPD get away with not complying with the agreement due to all other government buildings also being closed. Now that City Halls are open for walk-ins, and HPD has acknowledged that it can safely do the same, we intend to have them follow the legal agreement.
If HPD can open for walk-in registrations, they can also open for permit applications. The only reason they wouldn't do so is that they see their interest (in registering firearms) as greater than the public interest (in bearing arms). There is no medical basis behind this decision.
HIFICO has consulted with our attorneys on the Yukatake case. Should HPD go ahead with this restrictive plan, they will begin taking action to make sure HPD complies with its contractual obligations.
Post by: waterhome on May 06, 2021, 09:16:46 AM
Let's hope to end ALL the BS
HiFiCo---
HPD Confirms Intent to Violate HIFICO Settlement Agreement.
Last week we bought you the news that HPD intended to open for walk-ins on May 10th, Today they confirmed via their website that this is true.
From HonoluluPD.org; "Walk-in registration for firearms will begin on Monday, May 10, 2021, at the HPD Firearms Section at 801 S. Beretania Street. Registrations will be limited to no more than 50 persons each day.... Appointments for firearms permits will continue to be online only.
No walk-ins will be accepted for firearms permits."
As you can see, HPD does intend to restrict access to the department based on the type of service needed and only to a limited number of people.
Right before the pandemic started, Hawaii Firearms Coalition Director Todd Yukutake filed a lawsuit against HPD and the State of Hawaii, alleging that its implementation of the permitting and registration laws was too restrictive in availability. With limited hours the scheme was burdensome and unconstitutional.
The City and County (HPD) quickly settled and in doing so, agreed that in addition to its regular opening hours (8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m) they would open from 7:45am until 6:30pm every Wednesday. Not only that, but any person who was in line by 6:30pm will get assisted before the department closes.
Over the last year, HIFICO has let HPD get away with not complying with the agreement due to all other government buildings also being closed. Now that City Halls are open for walk-ins, and HPD has acknowledged that it can safely do the same, we intend to have them follow the legal agreement.
If HPD can open for walk-in registrations, they can also open for permit applications. The only reason they wouldn't do so is that they see their interest (in registering firearms) as greater than the public interest (in bearing arms). There is no medical basis behind this decision.
HIFICO has consulted with our attorneys on the Yukatake case. Should HPD go ahead with this restrictive plan, they will begin taking action to make sure HPD complies with its contractual obligations.
Great how do we get this case started?
Post by: aaronc5362 on May 06, 2021, 09:20:00 AM
Anything is better than being stagnant.
Just by doing walk in registration, it will open some slots for people who need it.
Baby steps, baby steps. Maybe if all goes well by the end of summer or whatever they will do walk in pta?? ;D
Edit: sorry, i still have the mindset of when we use to do all paperwork on the right hand side of hpd building lol. So i edited my above statement some
Post by: macsak on May 06, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Great how do we get this case started?
case has been settled, the lawyers will be speaking to hpd on 5/10 or shortly thereafter, i believe
you can donate to the cause here:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41336.0
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 06, 2021, 09:28:02 AM
This brings to the 2nd part that really doesn't have to be said, but I will. 1 should not even have to go to HPD at all for anything.
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 06, 2021, 09:46:00 AM
What some are not realizing is that 1 should not need an appointment to purchase a firearm. If someone wants to buy a handgun right now, they should be able to walk into HPD and start the process. Not have to wait months to make an appointment, or wait in line for no one knows how long and if they even accept you. Do people really think that as long as you are in line before 3pm, HPD will service you? When I was there pre COVID, they cut the line at 2:15pm because it was long and were turning people away because they wanted to go home at 3pm. Once I got to the window, I was done in 5 minutes because they wanted to go home on time.Where as normally once you get to the window with your paperwork, you're then waiting another 15 minutes for them to process it.
This brings to the 2nd part that really doesn't have to be said, but I will. 1 should not even have to go to HPD at all for anything.
This 100% :thumbsup:
My original post on this thread shows optimism. I figured let them slowly ease into getting into the regular bullshit walk in procedures that were in place before covid. I figured it was a start.
But after days of futilely trying to get a PTA permit and always getting a "already booked 90 days in advance" notice it can get a bit tiring.
HPD and the leaders of this (great?) state of hawaii better come to terms that people in hawaii want to own firearms. And more so now with the current societal climate that was caused in part because of the fear mongering of this so called dangerous virus.
Deal with it, HPD. It's not going to fu*kn go away.
Post by: omnigun on May 06, 2021, 10:53:30 AM
What some are not realizing is that 1 should not need an appointment to purchase a firearm. If someone wants to buy a handgun right now, they should be able to walk into HPD and start the process. Not have to wait months to make an appointment, or wait in line for no one knows how long and if they even accept you. Do people really think that as long as you are in line before 3pm, HPD will service you? When I was there pre COVID, they cut the line at 2:15pm because it was long and were turning people away because they wanted to go home at 3pm. Once I got to the window, I was done in 5 minutes because they wanted to go home on time.Where as normally once you get to the window with your paperwork, you're then waiting another 15 minutes for them to process it.
This brings to the 2nd part that really doesn't have to be said, but I will. 1 should not even have to go to HPD at all for anything.
Doesn't mean we should get rid of the appointment system. Its pretty restrictive if to purchase a gun you have to physically stand in a "8 hour" line. And be mandated by law to do so. Basically losing 1-2 days of work every purchase. A luxury many gun owners can't afford. I would aruge is worse than waiting 90 days. If you infinitely can't buy a gun because of not being able to sacrifice wages and time. Big difference from appointments which have all been extremely quick for me.
Post by: 6716J on May 06, 2021, 10:53:41 AM
This 100% :thumbsup:
My original post on this thread shows optimism. I figured let them slowly ease into getting into the regular bullshit walk in procedures that were in place before covid. I figured it was a start.
But after days of futilely trying to get a PTA permit and always getting a "already booked 90 days in advance" notice it can get a bit tiring.
HPD and the leaders of this (great?) state of hawaii better come to terms that people in hawaii want to own firearms. And more so now with the current societal climate that was caused in part because of the fear mongering of this so called dangerous virus.
Deal with it, HPD. It's not going to fu*kn go away.
As was shown this past year with a record number of PTA (26,000+) and registrations (53,000+), even with their BS schemes
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41154.0
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2021, 11:22:46 AM
That only happened during the Obama years and after super-great discount events, like Black Friday.
Most days, there are surges at the beginning of the day, during lunch, and right before end of the day.
Comparing an "8 hour wait" to sitting at home for 3 months waiting for an appointment? Only an extremely lazy person would opt for the latter.
Now, if HPD can start weeding out the abusers who are creating the 90-day backlog, I'd be all for appointments. Most online registrations require one to create an account, not only to make registering quicker and easier, but to:
1) establish your identity -- anonymity causes all sorts of problems
2) allow you to log in and see future and past appointments
3) create a less stressful experience, since the user just has to log in, then can make/view appointments and not be asked for name, birthdate, address, etc. again and again.
Something as simple as that would put a halt to almost all the abusers. Maybe their IT support is too busy to provide technical/administrative support for users who lock themselves out, forget their passwords or screw up the booking process and need help? Not a good reason to leave it as is.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 06, 2021, 11:40:14 AM
Doesn't mean we should get rid of the appointment system. Its pretty restrictive if to purchase a gun you have to physically stand in a "8 hour" line. And be mandated by law to do so. Basically losing 1-2 days of work every purchase. A luxury many gun owners can't afford. I would aruge is worse than waiting 90 days. If you infinitely can't buy a gun because of not being able to sacrifice wages and time. Big difference from appointments which have all been extremely quick for me.
#facepalm. You're forgetting say for some reason you're unable to get any kind of appointment, then you are defacto being banned from exercising your 2a right. At least standing in line would guarantee being serviced that day in theory.
Read my post slowly and again. That will rebut some of what you replied. If you still "feel" that the RSVP is less restrictive, read my post again, but even slower. And if you still feel the same way, ask someone to read the post and explain it with pictures and shapes.
One has to ask if we never had RSVP from day 1, would there even be any long wait in line 1 year later? If there are any long lines for reg after 5/10, it's because HPD was doing 1 person every 10-15 minutes. Which is only about 24 people a day.
Some people also cannot get PTA's because they're not able to be on their phone checking HPD all day or work with a computer (ie construction worker). So to say waiting in line and losing 1-2 days of work is worst than the 90 days, is wrong. I know many who have been trying since June to get a PTA. I'm 1 of them. I do not spend every 10 minutes checking their website. Also some employers do not let you take 1-2 hours off. You would have to take the entire day, and some even you have to take a minimum of 3 days. See Yukutake/Kikuewa lawsuit about blocks of days off.
Yes, appointments are quick. I've been to a few and what you have to realize is while they're done with you, HPD is just sitting there waiting for the next person to show up, when they could be servicing someone else. So that is the reason why they're quick. They could be servicing 2-3 people every 10-15 minutes.
But what do I know right? It's what ever is easier for you and not the community.
Post by: omnigun on May 06, 2021, 01:44:01 PM
#facepalm. You're forgetting say for some reason you're unable to get any kind of appointment, then you are defacto being banned from exercising your 2a right. At least standing in line would guarantee being serviced that day in theory.
Read my post slowly and again. That will rebut some of what you replied. If you still "feel" that the RSVP is less restrictive, read my post again, but even slower. And if you still feel the same way, ask someone to read the post and explain it with pictures and shapes.
One has to ask if we never had RSVP from day 1, would there even be any long wait in line 1 year later? If there are any long lines for reg after 5/10, it's because HPD was doing 1 person every 10-15 minutes. Which is only about 24 people a day.
Some people also cannot get PTA's because they're not able to be on their phone checking HPD all day or work with a computer (ie construction worker). So to say waiting in line and losing 1-2 days of work is worst than the 90 days, is wrong. I know many who have been trying since June to get a PTA. I'm 1 of them. I do not spend every 10 minutes checking their website. Also some employers do not let you take 1-2 hours off. You would have to take the entire day, and some even you have to take a minimum of 3 days. See Yukutake/Kikuewa lawsuit about blocks of days off.
Yes, appointments are quick. I've been to a few and what you have to realize is while they're done with you, HPD is just sitting there waiting for the next person to show up, when they could be servicing someone else. So that is the reason why they're quick. They could be servicing 2-3 people every 10-15 minutes.
But what do I know right? It's what ever is easier for you and not the community.
I remember the time before appointments. Yes, I had to wait long. Yes I bought less guns because of it. Neither solution has to be either or. Like I've said many times in this thread. Have both. If you want to waste your whole day but almost guarantee that you can register you have the freedom to do so. For those who can't have appointments. You are correct that there are cons to appointments but to get rid of them for walk ins and pretend there is no cons to that system is foolish. HPD are humans just because you can theoretically pack in extra people doesn't really mean you should. There are other factors.
In the end the whole point of this is advocating for CHOICES. You know #freedom. It might be a sad world when the DMV is the shining example of public service appointments.
Post by: 6716J on May 06, 2021, 03:22:19 PM
I remember the time before appointments. Yes, I had to wait long. Yes I bought less guns because of it. Neither solution has to be either or. Like I've said many times in this thread. Have both. If you want to waste your whole day but almost guarantee that you can register you have the freedom to do so. For those who can't have appointments. You are correct that there are cons to appointments but to get rid of them for walk ins and pretend there is no cons to that system is foolish. HPD are humans just because you can theoretically pack in extra people doesn't really mean you should. There are other factors.
In the end the whole point of this is advocating for CHOICES. You know #freedom. It might be a sad world when the DMV is the shining example of public service appointments.
And that's a fucking joke too. The earliest I can get an appointment to for my drivers license is September 22nd... 20 weeks/5 months. It took my son 4 months to get his drivers test appointment. Yeah, let's all look to the DMV
Post by: omnigun on May 06, 2021, 06:02:33 PM
And that's a fucking joke too. The earliest I can get an appointment to for my drivers license is September 22nd... 20 weeks/5 months. It took my son 4 months to get his drivers test appointment. Yeah, let's all look to the DMV
Atleast they both do online and offline appointments. You can get call backs and texts when you ready and other cool stuff from what I remember.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2021, 06:09:55 PM
And that's a fucking joke too. The earliest I can get an appointment to for my drivers license is September 22nd... 20 weeks/5 months. It took my son 4 months to get his drivers test appointment. Yeah, let's all look to the DMV
No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.
It's what he does.
Engaging the troll never ends. Attention is his drug.
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 06, 2021, 06:33:29 PM
No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.Put him on ignored!
It's what he does.
Engaging the troll never ends. Attention is his drug.
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Post by: ren on May 06, 2021, 07:07:32 PM
No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.
It's what he does.
Engaging the troll never ends. Attention is his drug.
the result of daddy issues or mommy issues or both.
Post by: omnigun on May 06, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.
It's what he does.
Engaging the troll never ends. Attention is his drug.
Not really I've had many instances that I have agreed with others here. Even ren.
Just doesn't always happen cause around 50% of my views don't align. And I have no issue speaking my mind.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Not really I've had many instances that I have agreed with others here. Even ren.
Just doesn't always happen cause around 50% of my views don't align.
And I have no issue redundantly repeating myself ad nauseam in every thread because I'm that importantspeaking my mind.
Fixed.
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 07, 2021, 06:27:29 AM
The most I've ever experienced was 2 or 3 people ahead of me. Maybe once or twice.
Rest of the time it was only me.
edited to add: I don't mind the appointment system but the way it is now sucks. Big time. And it becomes evident everyday that HPD and the "system" doesn't want to make it better. There is no reason for the system to allow only bookings 90 days ahead. They just don't want to improve it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 07, 2021, 10:57:41 AM
Aside from the obama era, before the appointment system I've never experienced long lines at HPD to register or apply for a PTA.
The most I've ever experienced was 2 or 3 people ahead of me. Maybe once or twice.
Rest of the time it was only me.
edited to add: I don't mind the appointment system but the way it is now sucks. Big time. And it becomes evident everyday that HPD and the "system" doesn't want to make it better. There is no reason for the system to allow only bookings 90 days ahead. They just don't want to improve it.
It has always been hit-or-miss when there were no panic buying sprees happening. Mondays seem to be busy, since many people apply for handgun permits the first business day at HPD after a weekend. Those people also come back on a Monday to pickup the PTA and register.
Longest wait I ever had, excluding Obama panic times, was to the double doors leading of the records section. Took about 2 hours total. Normal wait time was usually 30-45 minutes with 2-5 people already being helped or waiting.
That was with just 2 officers working the window. Now there are what? 4 or 5 windows in the new location for applying for permits? Should be able to handle double or triple the number of people at a time. While 2 people are filling out forms, a third applicant can be at that same window getting what they need done. With the online forms being used more often, some people can walk up to the window, sign the forms, and leave in a few minutes if no fingerprinting and payments are involved. Blocking out 15 or 30 minute times for each application is ridiculous.
When I went, there was ONE officer at ONE window helping ONE person ahead of me. I arrived about 15 minutes early. The person ahead of me left about 10 minutes before my appointment was scheduled to start. I had to pay and get fingerprinted because I hadn't paid my second "one time" fee since RAPBACK began. Even with the health screening and fingerprinting, I was in and out in less than 10 minutes -- including walking to and from the police parking garage.
I'd given myself 30 minutes on the parking meter, and I still had 20 left. I offered my unexpired meter to someone parking 2 spots over. Hopefully he was able to use it. I've heard there may be motion sensors to prevent using someone else's unexpired time, but I tried anyway.
Post by: fishandshoot on May 09, 2021, 02:31:46 PM
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Post by: stangzilla on May 10, 2021, 01:38:06 PM
FYI. So the first 50 people in line from 7 am. They will get a ticket with a time on it to come back later. So sort of like how the dmv used to be.
thanks for the update :shaka:
Post by: stangzilla on May 10, 2021, 01:39:13 PM
FYI. So the first 50 people in line from 7 am. They will get a ticket with a time on it to come back later. So sort of like how the dmv used to be.
i saw HiFiCo post on FB. said this morning wasn't that crowded
Post by: Akubone1 on May 10, 2021, 02:46:05 PM
Post by: dv808 on May 10, 2021, 02:53:32 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 10, 2021, 04:37:01 PM
As I waited outside the registration room, I saw one guy get the last 3pm appt at approx. 8:30. So you gotta get in line early to get appts to come back. Those people in walk-in line for registrations were being taken care of by window in records room and not my normal registration window.
So, the "walk-in" system is in reality just an in-person appointment system available on a daily basis vs the online 90-day advanced bookings system. Those who get there first get nearly immediate service, while everyone else gets an appointment for the day.
Seems like appointment processes have been worked out by others for similar systems before now. Why does HPD have to experiment and come up with ridiculous procedures as they struggle to find a workable solution?
"Let's reinvent the wheel, but only use people who've never actually seen a wheel!"
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 10, 2021, 06:03:19 PM
Anyone feels this system is better? I don't think so.
If you come from far away and was unlucky to get a late afternoon slot, wtf do you do in-between? Your whole day is shot to hell.
Post by: omnigun on May 10, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
I'm kidding. The online system was fine. Add a normal line 6 foot distance in addition for the second window. Simple solution.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 10, 2021, 06:22:33 PM
It's still a sort of appointment system, but now it ties you up for the day, depending on what time you get by how soon you got in line.
Anyone feels this system is better? I don't think so.
If you come from far away and was unlucky to get a late afternoon slot, wtf do you do in-between? Your whole day is shot to hell.
Exactly. I wonder if there's any sign-in process, or if they just hand out appointment slips without any names associated with them? If they are just handing slips to random people in line, what's to stop disrupters from taking up slots and not showing up?
Post by: omnigun on May 10, 2021, 06:23:55 PM
Exactly. I wonder if there's any sign-in process, or if they just hand out appointment slips without any names associated with them? If they are just handing slips to random people in line, what's to stop disrupters from taking up slots and not showing up?
A disrupter would have to show up physically for one. Then they would have to show up every day after that and not get recognized. 🙄
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 10, 2021, 06:30:34 PM
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Post by: dogman on May 10, 2021, 06:46:32 PM
What about people who have appointments from the old system? I'm going in Friday at 10:30am
"Online registration appointments that were made earlier will be honored" from HPD's Firearms web page.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 10, 2021, 07:00:09 PM
A disrupter would have to show up physically for one. Then they would have to show up every day after that and not get recognized. 🙄
Your point?
(MASKS ARE MANDATORY)
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 10, 2021, 07:13:02 PM
"Online registration appointments that were made earlier will be honored" from HPD's Firearms web page.Mahalo
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Post by: omnigun on May 10, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Your point?
(MASKS ARE MANDATORY)
You are wrong. Or allude to a highly unlikely scenario. (disrupters)
Post by: macsak on May 10, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
You are wrong. Or eluding to a highly unlikely scenario. (disrupters)
reputable private school?
evade or escape from (a danger, enemy, or pursuer), typically in a skillful or cunning way.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 10, 2021, 08:52:30 PM
You are wrong. Or allude to a highly unlikely scenario. (disrupters)
Why do you insist on arguing over comments you have no way to disprove?
Oh, yeah. Troll.
Post by: omnigun on May 10, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Why do you insist on arguing over comments you have no way to disprove?
Oh, yeah. Troll.
I just disproved you....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 10, 2021, 10:20:55 PM
I just disproved you....
... he said without evidence.
Post by: omnigun on May 10, 2021, 10:29:20 PM
... he said without evidence.
Can you read?
A disrupter would have to show up physically for one. Then they would have to show up every day after that and not get recognized. 🙄
Aka that's what's stopping "disrupters"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 10, 2021, 10:30:19 PM
Can you read?
Aka that's what's stopping "disrupters"
Masks = anonymity -- aka "not get recognized"
:sleeping:
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 06:28:25 AM
Masks = anonymity -- aka "not get recognized"
:sleeping:
If that was the case then all crime would be unsolvable right now. :crazy:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 12:42:20 PM
If that was the case then all crime would be unsolvable right now. :crazy:
Is standing in line to get a time slip for an appointment that day with no intention of using it a CRIME?
Are they using facial recognition, witness statements, forensics and crime scene units to learn the identities of "no shows?"
Really stupid comparison. :crazy: :crazy: :wacko: :wacko:
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 11, 2021, 01:51:46 PM
Is standing in line to get a time slip for an appointment that day with no intention of using it a CRIME?
Are they using facial recognition, witness statements, forensics and crime scene units to learn the identities of "no shows?"
Really stupid comparison. :crazy: :crazy: :wacko: :wacko:
People could also get an appt and even show up with no firearm to register or PTA to get and no crime has been committed. They will just be told to leave.
And even if this was against the law, until they are proven guilty in a court of law, they are innocent of said crime.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 02:16:50 PM
People could also get an appt and even show up with no firearm to register or PTA to get and no crime has been committed. They will just be told to leave.
And even if this was against the law, until they are proven guilty in a court of law, they are innocent of said crime.
The disrupters are not logical creatures. If they think slowing down the appointments will stop the number of guns being transferred, they are crazy. :crazy:
Since we know many of these people ARE crazy, showing up a little after 8:00am to grab late morning-afternoon slots is not out of the question.
If they'll camp out online to steal PTA appointments every 10 minutes all day long, they obviously won't be deterred from showing up for a few minutes to pick up time slips.
Shades, a change of clothes, different hats, and masks with various designs and colors are all they need to be another person each day. Mix and match -- nobody's going to notice.
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 02:39:52 PM
People could also get an appt and even show up with no firearm to register or PTA to get and no crime has been committed. They will just be told to leave.
And even if this was against the law, until they are proven guilty in a court of law, they are innocent of said crime.
If HPD could identify people ONLINE who were scalping and "disrupting", they sure can do it offline. They have the ability to ban people...or limit the appointments of those "disruptors". Even if somehow these people potentially existed, a simple ID requirement would quash it without effort.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 02:42:03 PM
If HPD could identify people ONLINE who were scalping and "disrupting", they sure can do it offline. They have the ability to ban people...or limit the appointments of those "disruptors". Even if somehow these people potentially existed, a simple ID requirement would quash it without effort.
Yeah, because you need an IP address, name, and home address to pick up a slip.
You don't know much about IT, apparently.
ID requirement also implies a recording and retrieval system to match people in line to previous attempts to get a slip.
Not as simple as you make it sound.
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 02:42:17 PM
Masks = anonymity -- aka "not get recognized"
:sleeping:
Is standing in line to get a time slip for an appointment that day with no intention of using it a CRIME?
Are they using facial recognition, witness statements, forensics and crime scene units to learn the identities of "no shows?"
Really stupid comparison. :crazy: :crazy: :wacko: :wacko:
Try read what you wrote :shaka:
Did I say a single thing about standing in line for appointments?
Your comment said masks somehow provide anonymity anywhere. You did not list a location unless masks only provide anonymity at HPD registration line.
Masks = anonymity -- aka "not get recognized"
This is your statement, your statement is false :shaka:
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Yeah, because you need an IP address, name, and home address to pick up a slip.
You don't know much about IT, apparently.
So a face, voice, name, phone number. All things currently required does nothing? And an ID card would 100% rule out everything....
Come on you were in IT, you know how reliable IP addresses are :geekdanc:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 02:47:14 PM
So a face, voice, name, phone number. All things currently required does nothing? And an ID card would 100% rule out everything....
Come on you were in IT, you know how reliable IP addresses are :geekdanc:
Nothing you said holds any bearing on the facts.
Face? Are they taking photos for each timeslot? Photo-copying picture IDs? How are they supposed to remember 50 people each day over weeks and months?
They would have to require PII for each walk-in. With all that effort to hand out and weed out walk-ins, they might as well perform the application process for each person in line.
You really are this uneducated.
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 03:26:12 PM
Nothing you said holds any bearing on the facts.
Face? Are they taking photos for each timeslot? Photo-copying picture IDs? How are they supposed to remember 50 people each day over weeks and months?
They would have to require PII for each walk-in. With all that effort to hand out and weed out walk-ins, they might as well perform the application process for each person in line.
You really are this uneducated.
I know this is a bit hard to fathom for you but if someone came every single day for a week I would remember them :shaka:
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 11, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
https://youtu.be/bS3O5zg290k
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 03:56:37 PM
Sonny and Cher: The beat goes on (HQ Version)
https://youtu.be/bS3O5zg290k
Ignores all the words people post just so he can argue.
Trolling along ...
Post by: macsak on May 11, 2021, 05:06:11 PM
If HPD could identify people ONLINE who were scalping and "disrupting", they sure can do it offline. They have the ability to ban people...or limit the appointments of those "disruptors". Even if somehow these people potentially existed, a simple ID requirement would quash it without effort.
please show me where HPD was identifying ONLINE the people who were scalping and "disrupting"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 05:12:07 PM
please show me where HPD was identifying ONLINE the people who were scalping and "disrupting"
"a simple ID requirement would quash it without effort."
ID to vote is voter suppression.
ID to book an appointment to exercise your Constitutional 2A rights: necessary stop fraud.
No parallels at all, huh?
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 07:24:10 PM
please show me where HPD was identifying ONLINE the people who were scalping and "disrupting"
I talked to hpd when I went down and heard it. So no solid evidence. Though they did stop the online appointments because of it apparently.
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 07:27:37 PM
"a simple ID requirement would quash it without effort."
ID to vote is voter suppression.
ID to book an appointment to exercise your Constitutional 2A rights: necessary stop fraud.
No parallels at all, huh?
I support ID in person and no ID for mail because that's already verified. I don't think ID is nessasary for appointments 😕 but since you insisted that people be disrupting that's an option. Obviously not needed. But for a hardass like you I suggested it. The lady at the counter recognized me after 2 times. So obviously if the same person showed up every day they would be found out quick. Also an ID is required to register while technically not needed after you vote.
Post by: macsak on May 11, 2021, 07:31:30 PM
I talked to hpd when I went down and heard it. So no solid evidence. Though they did stop the online appointments because of it apparently.
so "they say" then
why state it as a fact, then?
and that's not the reason they stopped the online appointments, if it was, they would've stopped the PTA appointments too
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 07:36:20 PM
so "they say" then
why state it as a fact, then?
and that's not the reason they stopped the online appointments, if it was, they would've stopped the PTA appointments too
I can only go off of what I know and that's what they said. They had issues with people selling appointments. So unless they say other wise it's a fact to me.
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 11, 2021, 07:41:42 PM
But they didn't.
In my opinion they are doing their darndest to obstruct people trying to acquire a firearm. They are making it difficult for people to exercise their 2a rights.
And they are perfectly fine by that.
Post by: ren on May 11, 2021, 07:45:57 PM
I support ID in person and no ID for mail because that's already verified. I don't think ID is nessasary for appointments 😕 but since you insisted that people be disrupting that's an option. Obviously not needed. But for a hardass like you I suggested it. The lady at the counter recognized me after 2 times. So obviously if the same person showed up every day they would be found out quick. Also an ID is required to register while technically not needed after you vote.
who gives a shit what you support - this is a 2a community of interest
Post by: macsak on May 11, 2021, 08:00:33 PM
I can only go off of what I know and that's what they said. They had issues with people selling appointments. So unless they say other wise it's a fact to me.
"selling appointments" is different than what you said before...
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 11, 2021, 08:01:59 PM
so "they say" then"They" also say once a lower is completed, 1 must bring back the completed firearm.
why state it as a fact, then?
and that's not the reason they stopped the online appointments, if it was, they would've stopped the PTA appointments too
Glad "they" are never wrong.
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Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 08:23:23 PM
"selling appointments" is different than what you said before...
What is scalping
Post by: macsak on May 11, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
What is scalping
true, but you said "disrupters" many many times throughout this thread, including the post where you said "scalpers" one time...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2021, 09:03:23 PM
What is scalping
Selling appointments = people with no intention of using them trying to make money from a FREE SERVICE offered at tax payer expense.
Scalping = SEE ABOVE
Disrupting = people with no intention of using them trying to stop others with a legitimate need for appointments from using a FREE SERVICE offered at tax payer expense.
All have the same end result, while intentions may vary. If nobody buys the scalped appointments, they go to waste. No different than the ones disrupters book and never use.
Why can't you figure these simple things out for yourself? (Rhetorical question. We all know the answer: :wacko:)
Post by: omnigun on May 11, 2021, 09:25:28 PM
true, but you said "disrupters" many many times throughout this thread, including the post where you said "scalpers" one time...
I guess I should have been more specific my bad. When I spoke to HPD it was mostly about scalpers though they did mention no shows.
Post by: stangzilla on May 20, 2021, 06:50:25 AM
Although people park in the lot before 0745 but might get a ticket
Either way we're screwed
Post by: stangzilla on May 20, 2021, 09:03:24 AM
Post by: RifleArts on May 20, 2021, 11:55:08 AM
I left at 0825. At that time only 15 or less appts were given out. Wasn't crowded at all. Parking lot still had a couple spaces open
Post by: stangzilla on May 20, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
Thanks Stang for the info/update
No problemo :shaka:
Post by: zhuzhits on June 07, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
Can someone definitively tell me what HPD means by "walk-in registration"?
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 07, 2021, 12:39:52 PM
All the bickering and d*ck swinging in this thread lost me. TL;DR.
Can someone definitively tell me what HPD means by "walk-in registration"?
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/
In a nutshell, walk-ins are for registrations only. Permit applications are still by appointment only.
Walk-ins are for the first 50 registrants each day. If you get there early enough, they will give you a slip with the time they will serve you. If it's late enough in the day, you'll be able to leave and come back. Better than having to stand in line all morning and lose your place if you leave.
Walk-ins are less of a "walk-in" and more like in-person booking of registration appointments. If you're lucky enough to show up when nobody else has that time reserved, you might actually be accepted as a "walk-in."
(https://i.imgur.com/1uDwMYy.png)
Post by: stangzilla on June 07, 2021, 12:48:15 PM
All the bickering and d*ck swinging in this thread lost me. TL;DR.
Can someone definitively tell me what HPD means by "walk-in registration"?
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/
they start handing out appt times at 0700. first appt is at 0800, then i think its every 10 minutes after that.
last time i went i needed to pick up a PTA at 0800 so i selected a registration appt at 1130 so i could pick up the firearm and come back later
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 07, 2021, 12:52:03 PM
All the bickering and d*ck swinging in this thread lost me. TL;DR.
Can someone definitively tell me what HPD means by "walk-in registration"?
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/
What Flapp posted.
Keep in mind the "to and from" law. So if you live in Ewa and come to HPD at 7am with your firearm, and get a ticket to come back at 9:30, you cannot go get breakfast or coffee since your firearm will be in the car.
This means you will have to stay at HPD from 7am until 9:30. Or go to a gun store or gun range and hang out there.
Post by: zhuzhits on June 07, 2021, 12:56:46 PM
Walk-ins are less of a "walk-in" and more like in-person booking of registration appointments. If you're lucky enough to show up when nobody else has that time reserved, you might actually be accepted as a "walk-in."
I was afraid of that. Great structure and grammar as usual, Flapps. :worship:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 07, 2021, 02:08:32 PM
What Flapp posted.
Keep in mind the "to and from" law. So if you live in Ewa and come to HPD at 7am with your firearm, and get a ticket to come back at 9:30, you cannot go get breakfast or coffee since your firearm will be in the car.
This means you will have to stay at HPD from 7am until 9:30. Or go to a gun store or gun range and hang out there.
There are other possible options, like taking it to your place of employment, but none are convenient or guaranteed. The laws are designed to discourage firearm ownership, not make it convenient.
Post by: dogman on June 07, 2021, 06:23:13 PM
Post by: zhuzhits on June 07, 2021, 06:40:22 PM
It was mentioned in the "How's the line at HPD" thread that there is also "stand by". No appointment, just wait and if no one is at the window, it's your turn. I was there this past Friday, late morning with an online registration appointment I got months earlier. There's no covid screening, went in, got check off the list and went to the window to register. While I was waiting for the registration to be typed, the officer manning the front door confirmed that if you just wanted to wait, you could "stand by" with no appointment. It was empty at the time and he said if someone came right now, without an appointment, they could go straight in since the window was open.
Good info. Thanks ma bradda!
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 08, 2021, 04:58:16 PM
The laws are designed to discourage firearm ownership, not make it convenient.
Agree 100%. This is why the permit to acquire process is still by appointment only. The appointment process reduces one to "live" at their computer endlessly banging on the button in hopes of snagging a time slot. Booking only 90 days in advance is bullshit. Extended hours limited to 7 days in advance is bullshit.
This whole PTA and registration is bullshit.
HPD is sooooo eager to make sure your firearms are registered. But they couldn't give a flying fuck about your permit to acquire appointment.
Post by: drck1000 on June 18, 2021, 09:43:43 AM
It was mentioned in the "How's the line at HPD" thread that there is also "stand by". No appointment, just wait and if no one is at the window, it's your turn. I was there this past Friday, late morning with an online registration appointment I got months earlier. There's no covid screening, went in, got check off the list and went to the window to register. While I was waiting for the registration to be typed, the officer manning the front door confirmed that if you just wanted to wait, you could "stand by" with no appointment. It was empty at the time and he said if someone came right now, without an appointment, they could go straight in since the window was open.Update from today. However, like a wise man often reminds me, trust but verify. Adult rules here. Hopefully sharing of information and experiences will help folks, but do your own due diligence. Be prepared to "go with the flow" to a certain extent.
No appointments needed to pick up permit or register. Was advise this morning that for "registration side", line starts at 0700. At opening time, an officer will come out and distribute time slots to those waiting in line, so you don't have to wait around that whole time and "wonder if you'll get in" (at least according to the officer that we spoke to).
I asked if there was an appointment system for registration, and I was told no. But after hearing the explanation, it's more of a "no sense do online appointment because they are unavailable for 3 months out". So the appointment system MAY be operational and it MAY continue, but didn't get definitive answer. Again, do your own due diligence.
Anyways, line was short when I went this morning at around 0830. Two people at the counter on the PTA side. One person registering and one person outside waiting to register long gun (no appointment). Pick up permit was fast. Maybe 5 minutes.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 18, 2021, 11:54:55 AM
Post by: stangzilla on June 22, 2021, 01:54:18 PM
so i called 2 days before my appt to cancel it bc i wanted to open that spot up so more people can do a walk in
the person on the phone said no need to cancel it bc there are enough other slots to cover the walk ins. she told me to just not show up
so there was at least my spot that didn't get cancelled. i wonder how many more slots there are like this, unavailable bc they don't want to cancel an appt when i wanted to cancel it
less work for them. i understand that.
Post by: BigWave2001 on June 22, 2021, 02:24:28 PM
HIFICO talked to the AG because they are not following thru on the settlement of the Yukutake et.al lawsuit. Expect changes in October is what the AG said.
I bet the reason why they said changes are coming in October is because they’re biding their time until that NY Supreme Court case. A precedent will likely be set that will state the obvious-that Hawaii’s gun control laws are unconstitutional.
Post by: kkt on July 07, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
Post by: dogman on July 07, 2021, 06:13:54 PM