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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: toku58 on May 09, 2021, 06:41:39 AM
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I just wanted to share the Names of the AWESOME LGS’s that Did NOT take advantage of Gun Loving American’s during this BS pandemic.
#1 Security Equipment Corp!
#2 Young Guns
If you know of any more please list them! These are the shops that we all should support! :thumbsup:
Note: I didn’t list the shops that were Gouging people. Didn’t want to be “Bad Style” like them!
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Primesports kept his firearms at the same price. Glocks were anywhere between 500-600 precovid and same when i grabbed a g48 during covid. Think it was 550? Or 525? Depending on what model the price was more or less. Cerakoting was same price as well before and after covid.
He did have consignment ammo that another person was selling on his shelf. He gave everyone warning of the ridiculous price. I know he wasnt bsing cause i was there when the guy dropped it off and told henry at primesports what price he wanted for each type of ammo.
Plus 1 for sechawaii too tho
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Primesports kept his firearms at the same price. Glocks were anywhere between 500-600 precovid and same when i grabbed a g48 during covid. Think it was 550? Or 525? Depending on what model the price was more or less. Cerakoting was same price as well before and after covid.
He did have consignment ammo that another person was selling on his shelf. He gave everyone warning of the ridiculous price. I know he wasnt bsing cause i was there when the guy dropped it off and told henry at primesports what price he wanted for each type of ammo.
Plus 1 for sechawaii too tho
Yeah I wasn’t thrilled when I saw that $50 box of 9mm they were selling.
Consignment is basically the same as selling it themselves. They are making a cut of the profits.
Just supporting that sort of thing is not good business. IMHO.
Funny you mentioned the G48, I got my G48 during Covid for $489 from another LGS. Came with upgraded night sights
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Nice. I couldve gotten it for 455 after tax (blue label) at sec but i was trading somethin with primesports so ehh no biggy. I did buy a g19 gen 5 at sec since i could do 10 guns at registration at hpd. Lol. Also paid 455 and some change.
As for night sights, im picky af (love my trijicon hd's) so i got the regular plastic ones OTD. Yes i had warrens, ameriglos, xs, tru glos and heine but i almost always end up with triji hds even after i buy the others.
And i totally agree with you, toku. I did not pay 50 bucks a box of 9mm (50 rds). And no henry did not get any real profit from it. The guy wanted 50 bucks a box of fed/speer 9mm 115g fmj. I heard it with my own ears. And i was talking with henry and his co worker, people came in and henry told them it was consignment and it was 50 bucks a box. Maybe henry couldve collected on the sales tax, or depending how much he sold he would pay henry after?? That idk.
To defend primesports in june/july/ august he had 20rd boxes of 62g aguila. I picked up 5 boxes at 13.99 each. I think sportsman (i just googled whatever at the time to see a review on them) was like 10.99 a box. I also bought whatever american eagle 9mm 124g/115g fmj at 14.99 a box. I wanna say 3 or 4 boxes. Price was the same for each weight tho. I think thats normal? All this ammo stated in this paragraph was not from the consignment shelf. It was from his direct dealer. If dealers increase price shouldnt shops increase price too?
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Yes! Toward the later part YG prices were going up due to the supplier raising their prices. Hopefully prices will come back to normal soon!
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Yes! Toward the later part YG prices were going up due to the supplier raising their prices. Hopefully prices will come back to normal soon!
I hope so too bro. :shaka:
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Yeah Henry at primesports is great. Most gunshops do consignment, the store can't dictate the prices. Nor can the store dictate the prices distributors charge or shipping.
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I just wanted to share the Names of the AWESOME LGS’s that Did NOT take advantage of Gun Loving American’s during this BS pandemic.
#1 Security Equipment Corp!
#2 Young Guns
If you know of any more please list them! These are the shops that we all should support! :thumbsup:
Note: I didn’t list the shops that were Gouging people. Didn’t want to be “Bad Style” like them!
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Nice
I always remind my family and friends that Hawaii is a small place.
You do stoopid stuff and it comes back around to bite you in the a--
Sometimes the bite happens with breathtaking speed.
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+1 for those shops. I was surprised to see Colts at less than $1k.
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SEC (as mentioned above) has been a solid shop for many years and through 2 cycles of shortages. Will always shop there.
WGS is another that I picked up reloading supplies at good rates in this latest shortage. At least was decent prices in things I was looking for, as well as a couple of shooting buddies.
Bushido has been solid for ammo. He was selling at his normal prices for as long as he could. Even upped production to facilitate shooting groups in some of the worst parts of the shortage. He’s started selling handguns and other stuff, but don’t know about the pricing.
I certainly remember the shops, both LGS and online vendors who take advantage in times like this. Same for anyone who takes advantage in general.
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KGS. Daniel’s prices have been normal, if not less than other places. His Ammo is also taken in on consignment like other shops so you can’t blame him for that.
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A lot of shops are suffering which you would think of as counterintuitive, but not being able to replace their inventory really hammers their bottom line.
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A lot of shops are suffering which you would think of as counterintuitive, but not being able to replace their inventory really hammers their bottom line.
On top of that, the current market is great for sellers in the secondary market, too.
Everyone selling guns and/or ammo on this forum is potentially taking a customer away from a LGS who happens to have what the buyer wants.
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Some shops listed here gouged prior to the 2016 elections--I remember some lgs were offering/selling M&P 15 Sports for double the retail price during the last panic (NOT SEC). Maybe they learned their lesson, maybe not--IDK because I generally don't go back to those shops.
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I am not going to name names, but I recently bought a firearm from a LGS named above as not gouging, but the price was noticeably higher than previous price and well above MSRP to a level that I would call gouging. its still one of my favorite LGS, people are helpful and friendly and they know me by name, great customer service. that's why I will not name names.
I still bought it bc its my choice to pay more, and there wasn't anything else comparable to what I want available anywhere local or online, so I paid more
I had to make a choice: pay more, or wait for something that may never come for a long long time
I feel that in these times, prices will go up and shops need to make money to stay in business. law of supply and demand.
in the near future there will be more inflation across the board. gas prices going up. on the mainland gas stations running out of gas. it's going to get worse with Biden making the dumb dumb decisions he is making, or whoever is making the decisions for him.
back to topic: the best store that I have encountered during the pandemic that does not gouge or gouges the least is SEC
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OGC: no gouging and no limit on ammo (whatever ammo they do have)
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It's not only LGS that would gouge, check out the classified. Me and others talk about who is gouging and their reasons. So someone who lost their job and selling their inventory so they can pay the bills is more ethical than someone who still has their job, but just trying to make extra cash on the side. Gouging without a good reason does not help the 2a cause.
Then you have the guys who buy from SEC who hasn't gouged on ammo, re-sell them here. Many are aware of who are doing this.
So like how people will remember LGS who gouge, same with private sellers.
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I am not going to name names, but I recently bought a firearm from a LGS named above as not gouging, but the price was noticeably higher than previous price and well above MSRP to a level that I would call gouging. its still one of my favorite LGS, people are helpful and friendly and they know me by name, great customer service. that's why I will not name names.
I still bought it bc its my choice to pay more, and there wasn't anything else comparable to what I want available anywhere local or online, so I paid more
I had to make a choice: pay more, or wait for something that may never come for a long long time
I feel that in these times, prices will go up and shops need to make money to stay in business. law of supply and demand.
in the near future there will be more inflation across the board. gas prices going up. on the mainland gas stations running out of gas. it's going to get worse with Biden making the dumb dumb decisions he is making, or whoever is making the decisions for him.
back to topic: the best store that I have encountered during the pandemic that does not gouge or gouges the least is SEC
not gonna happen according to economist-at-heart, who says that the FED and central banks will handle it like they claim they will...
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It's not only LGS that would gouge, check out the classified. Me and others talk about who is gouging and their reasons. So someone who lost their job and selling their inventory so they can pay the bills is more ethical than someone who still has their job, but just trying to make extra cash on the side. Gouging without a good reason does not help the 2a cause.
Then you have the guys who buy from SEC who hasn't gouged on ammo, re-sell them here. Many are aware of who are doing this.
So like how people will remember LGS who gouge, same with private sellers.
As a bus ad major I believe in the free market. People have the choice to buy or not and sellers have the freedom to sell at what ever price they want.
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As a bus ad major I believe in the free market. People have the choice to buy or not and sellers have the freedom to sell at what ever price they want.
I agree as long as the seller is subject to the same market forces as all other sellers in the sector.
Lots of examples where businesses abused their popularity or market share to stifle free market competition.
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not gonna happen according to economist-at-heart, who says that the FED and central banks will handle it like they claim they will...
Cause obviously it was inflation that hacked that oil pipeline and is starting to limit gas because of environmental impacts. :geekdanc: :crazy:
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As a bus ad major I believe in the free market. People have the choice to buy or not and sellers have the freedom to sell at what ever price they want.
Thats why i never mentioned they cant do what they do and mentioned ethics.
So u are right, they can charge what ever they want and i can choose to buy or not buy. But i will remember who is gouging and if they ever need a favor, the answer will be no.
Same goes with shops that dont help support out rights. I choose not to shop there and let noobs know to not shop there as well.
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Cause obviously it was inflation that hacked that oil pipeline and is starting to limit gas because of environmental impacts. :geekdanc: :crazy:
NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC.
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Thats why i never mentioned they cant do what they do and mentioned ethics.
So u are right, they can charge what ever they want and i can choose to buy or not buy. But i will remember who is gouging and if they ever need a favor, the answer will be no.
Same goes with shops that dont help support out rights. I choose not to shop there and let noobs know to not shop there as well.
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It would be nice and I acknowledge all the sellers that did not gouge but just wanted to point out the 'science'
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But how do you know for sure that they engaged in price gouging? do you know how much they paid for their product? do you know how much they paid for shipping?
how are you defining price gouging? if you are just comparing the lowest prices in town and the highest prices, I could give an example like say i buy a 20lb generic bag of rice from costco, and 1lb "organic" "gluten free" super duper bag of rice from whole foods. So then are we gonna be saying that whole foods is price gouging?
Im not saying it didnt happen, just something to think about before you accusing places of doing things. and everyone saying they arent naming these places, but there are only so many shops on the island...
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I am not going to name names, but I recently bought a firearm from a LGS named above as not gouging, but the price was noticeably higher than previous price and well above MSRP to a level that I would call gouging. its still one of my favorite LGS, people are helpful and friendly and they know me by name, great customer service. that's why I will not name names.
I still bought it bc its my choice to pay more, and there wasn't anything else comparable to what I want available anywhere local or online, so I paid more
I had to make a choice: pay more, or wait for something that may never come for a long long time
I feel that in these times, prices will go up and shops need to make money to stay in business. law of supply and demand.
in the near future there will be more inflation across the board. gas prices going up. on the mainland gas stations running out of gas. it's going to get worse with Biden making the dumb dumb decisions he is making, or whoever is making the decisions for him.
back to topic: the best store that I have encountered during the pandemic that does not gouge or gouges the least is SEC
I understand what you are saying. I recently bought a firearm from a LGS that I felt was a bit high but I was willing to pay it.
I do research on the internet and try to find out the MSRP and the going street price, then go from there.
I think ammo will never go down to prices pre-covid. That old man occupying the POTUS seat might tax the ammo and firearm manufacturers to the point where ammo and firearms will be out of reach for many people.
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Me and others talk about who is gouging and their reasons. So someone who lost their job and selling their inventory so they can pay the bills is more ethical than someone who still has their job, but just trying to make extra cash on the side. Gouging without a good reason does not help the 2a cause.
Well now, isn't it reassuring that we have our own self appointed panel of sanctimonious critics to pass judgement on others.
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But how do you know for sure that they engaged in price gouging?
I think gouging is when demand rises sharply, and the retailers raise prices on items they bought before the demand increased. Their cost wasn't affected by the higher demand, but they are taking advantage of the demand to ask for more money.
An example would be after a hurricane. If a store raises the prices of lumber, chainsaws, and other materials needed to clean up and repair the damage left, that's definitely gouging. Those products didn't cost more to sell after the hurricane than before.
Another would be selling bottled water and bread for 2-3 times what it was sold at before.
Then there are the scalpers. They scoop up what people are clamoring to buy and try to make a profit on it.
There are laws in some states that punish gougers and scalpers especially after natural disasters.
Not sure how we can equate a hurricane with a firearm panic-buy in terms of fair vs. unfair pricing.
Businesses typically charge what the market will bear. If one store always has a better selection, they may charge more than the next dealer just because they know they are more competitive inventory-wise. The second store might keep prices lower to compete on price.
So, although there is a shortage of inventory in gun and ammo now, I don't think "gouging" applies to dealers unless you live where you have to buy a new gun to survive. If this were the Zombie Apocalypse, then anyone jacking-up gun and ammo prices would be gouging!
Just my opinion. I think too many people accuse sellers of gouging just because prices rose quickly. Since there's a gun buying process that takes longer in some states than others, it pays to plan ahead, shop around, and avoid impulse buying no matter what the current market environment may be.
If you want it bad, you'll get it bad.
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It would be nice and I acknowledge all the sellers that did not gouge but just wanted to point out the 'science'
Most did not gouge, its only a few. So thats good. I even know guys giving ammo to noob friends who dont have any or selling it at what they got it for, pre covid price.
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Well now, isn't it reassuring that we have our own self appointed panel of sanctimonious critics to pass judgement on others.
Free speech just like a free market. I'm free to opine to my friends about what ever topic I / we choose.
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Well now, isn't it reassuring that we have our own self appointed panel of sanctimonious critics to pass judgement on others.
Is that supposed to explain your opinion and try to convince others that they might not have correctly assessed the situation?
Or is this an indication that someone can't handle the truth?
Just curious. It could go either way.
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Free speech just like a free market. I'm free to opine to my friends about what ever topic I / we choose.
Same here, no argument.
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Same here, no argument.
Vote with your wallet!
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I know this doesnt apply to lgs, but cheaper than dirt price gouged like crazy and got sued.
The court ordered them to repay buyers. Lol. I think i may have read it in a thread here but definitely saw it on youtube as well.
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Vote with your wallet!
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Yup, no one ever forced anyone to buy anything of mine.
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I know this doesnt apply to lgs, but cheaper than dirt price gouged like crazy and got sued.
The court ordered them to repay buyers. Lol. I think i may have read it in a thread here but definitely saw it on youtube as well.
Lots of sources for this story that happened in the beginning of the 2020 Pandemic.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lawsuit+cheaper+than+dirt+gouging&atb=v231-1&ia=web
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I know this doesnt apply to lgs, but cheaper than dirt price gouged like crazy and got sued.
The court ordered them to repay buyers. Lol. I think i may have read it in a thread here but definitely saw it on youtube as well.
Yup. CTD was noted as upping their pricing on stuff like mags (and other stuff) a couple of times. Where folks on other forums noted say a given mag listed as $12.99 online and then announcement/event then suddenly 2-3x times that. Yeah, I get supply and demand, but they are some stuff go up 10x overnight.
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Yup. CTD was noted as upping their pricing on stuff like mags (and other stuff) a couple of times. Where folks on other forums noted say a given mag listed as $12.99 online and then announcement/event then suddenly 2-3x times that. Yeah, I get supply and demand, but they are some stuff go up 10x overnight.
An illustration of how "Supply and Demand" works:
https://youtu.be/d_1PEQpFTgY
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An illustration of how "Supply and Demand" works:
https://youtu.be/d_1PEQpFTgY
nope, our resident economist says if you increase supply, that increases demand...
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Yup, no one ever forced anyone to buy anything of mine.
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because it's all about you, jc :shaka:
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because it's all about you, jc :shaka:
My opinion:
If you're not ashamed of the asking prices you post, then you shouldn't be defensive when someone complains your prices are too high. :popcorn:
7-11 prices started out being extraordinarily high, and the hours of operation were much longer than customers usually needed them to be open. It was all part of a plan to invest in a chain of convenience stores that also sold gas in order to lose money -- a way of writing off the expense from corporate taxes.
Turns out, people will pay 3 times more for a pack of D-Cell batteries when there's nothing else open. 7-11 made massive profits from their first year. Many other chains followed their business model and have done well, too.
"Too much" is relative as well as a function of a buyer's ability & willingness to pay.
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My opinion:
If you're not ashamed of the asking prices you post, then you shouldn't be defensive when someone complains your prices are too high. :popcorn:
7-11 prices started out being extraordinarily high, and the hours of operation were much longer than customers usually needed them to be open. It was all part of a plan to invest in a chain of convenience stores that also sold gas in order to lose money -- a way of writing off the expense from corporate taxes.
Turns out, people will pay 3 times more for a pack of D-Cell batteries when there's nothing else open. 7-11 made massive profits from their first year. Many other chains followed their business model and have done well, too.
"Too much" is relative as well as a function of a buyer's ability & willingness to pay.
the classifieds are a safe space...
and I only patronize 7-11s that are Asian owned
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nope, our resident economist says if you increase supply, that increases demand...
#fakenews
Accessibility*
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#fakenews
Accessibility*
from someone who never paid attention in econ
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from someone who never paid attention in econ
But private schools teach well...
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from someone who never paid attention in econ
Maybe it's a generation thing 🤔
But many young people value access and accessibility and ease very highly.
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Maybe it's a generation thing 🤔
But many young people value access and accessibility and ease very highly.
And older people with infirmities and/or mobility problems don't "value access and accessibility?"
Do you think about what you post, or just want to argue?
(Rhetorical questions -- no response needed)
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An illustration of how "Supply and Demand" works:
https://youtu.be/d_1PEQpFTgY
And here many times I'll look for the closeout deals when it's the last one and a shop wants to get rid of it. ;D
But seriously, there can be a herd mentality where if others are buying, folks can be enticed to buy, often at a premium. My thoughts is know what is the going rate and go from there. I know how much I am willing to spend. If a shop doesn't have it at the price I want, fine. I have paid a premium for a specific gun to be brought it, but it was still at a price I was good with.
The part about not naming shops. I'll be open about where I shop. If folks want to shop elsewhere, up to them. That said, if I came across a shop that outright ripped folks off or did some shady $hit, I'd have no problem putting them on blast.
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And here many times I'll look for the closeout deals when it's the last one and a shop wants to get rid of it. ;D
But seriously, there can be a herd mentality where if others are buying, folks can be enticed to buy, often at a premium. My thoughts is know what is the going rate and go from there. I know how much I am willing to spend. If a shop doesn't have it at the price I want, fine. I have paid a premium for a specific gun to be brought it, but it was still at a price I was good with.
The part about not naming shops. I'll be open about where I shop. If folks want to shop elsewhere, up to them. That said, if I came across a shop that outright ripped folks off or did some shady $hit, I'd have no problem putting them on blast.
To add to that, the "enticement" can take the form of someone who's been mulling over making a purchase and just hasn't pulled the proverbial trigger. When they see prices rising and/or inventory being depleted, they might get off that fence and make the purchase sooner rather than later.
These people are often waiting for a sale or a great secondhand deal. Regardless, they aren't following the crowd as much as trying to beat the crowd before the situation worsens even more.
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To add to that, the "enticement" can take the form of someone who's been mulling over making a purchase and just hasn't pulled the proverbial trigger. When they see prices rising and/or inventory being depleted, they might get off that fence and make the purchase sooner rather than later.
These people are often waiting for a sale or a great secondhand deal. Regardless, they aren't following the crowd as much as trying to beat the crowd before the situation worsens even more.
Yup. I can understand and have experienced that. Especially the "great deal" aspect, I was mulling over a new gun, but it was definitely a nice to have if the price was right. I missed the boat on a set that was at the right price, but I had prioritized $$$ elsewhere. Then the next batch that came in was at a higher price. Then when the following batch came in it went back down, so I jumped on that else get caught again.
Recently, on reloading components, I've been enticed to buy components at a higher price when it came back in stock if it was the first shop to come back in stock. Now that I have a somewhat ok supply of basic components, I am willing to wait.
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There are also the noobs who don't know they're getting ripped off, nor do they have friends who warned them. I have warned a few people not to buy from X at Y price.
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There are also the noobs who don't know they're getting ripped off, nor do they have friends who warned them. I have warned a few people not to buy from X at Y price.
There's that, and I would say count me in on that. Maybe not ripped off, but definitely overpaid on a bunch of crap. Well, maybe ripped off learning what is crap stuff. Luckily not many experiences with that, but I do have them. :facepalm: But that's how one learns and good to pass on those lessons learned. That said, sometimes people have to learn some lessons the hard way (me included).
Always want to share experiences. But with like anything, many times people know what they know or don't know what they don't know. It's common to have folks come back later with the "I didn't appreciate what you told me X months ago, but after going through it and shooting, now I know".
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There's that, and I would say count me in on that. Maybe not ripped off, but definitely overpaid on a bunch of crap. Well, maybe ripped off learning what is crap stuff. Luckily not many experiences with that, but I do have them. :facepalm: But that's how one learns and good to pass on those lessons learned. That said, sometimes people have to learn some lessons the hard way (me included).
Always want to share experiences. But with like anything, many times people know what they know or don't know what they don't know. It's common to have folks come back later with the "I didn't appreciate what you told me X months ago, but after going through it and shooting, now I know".
That's why for a few weeks before my 1911 post, I was looking at the P320 X with Romeo1 pro. Figure I already have 9, where as I would have to buy 45acp. Which I don't mind too much paying a higher market price, because it is what it is. But I would refuse to buy 45 from someone who is obviously charging way more.
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That's why for a few weeks before my 1911 post, I was looking at the P320 X with Romeo1 pro. Figure I already have 9, where as I would have to buy 45acp. Which I don't mind too much paying a higher market price, because it is what it is. But I would refuse to buy 45 from someone who is obviously charging way more.
Wait, so you not going buy 1911 45 ACP anymore?
I personally don't have much 45. Don't even think I have 1k. I was actually about to start shooting 45 more, but that was maybe 2-3 months before the bat flu. . . :grrr:
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because it's all about you, jc :shaka:
Yup, don't I know it! mememememe! >:D
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Yup, don't I know it! mememememe! >:D
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Wait, so you not going buy 1911 45 ACP anymore?
I personally don't have much 45. Don't even think I have 1k. I was actually about to start shooting 45 more, but that was maybe 2-3 months before the bat flu. . . :grrr:
I am, but for a few weeks prior to my 1911 post, i changed to p320
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I'm gonna have to update my will and not give my firearms and other stuff to the NRA...
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Thats why i never mentioned they cant do what they do and mentioned ethics.
So u are right, they can charge what ever they want and i can choose to buy or not buy. But i will remember who is gouging and if they ever need a favor, the answer will be no.
Same goes with shops that dont help support out rights. I choose not to shop there and let noobs know to not shop there as well.
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Meh I'm one of those guys that got laid off, going thru a divorce/custody dispute and I recently lost access to my PUA account lol so haven't been able to make a claim in a couple weeks. I'm in a trade but works slow af rn.
I've also been a member here for a long time, and also lost access to that account as well when my Gmail recently got hacked. I've had many transactions and met a lot of cool people here along the way. I've done favors for people with no intention of getting anything in return, I always help out when I can.
So yea I'm selling a little ammo for more than I paid for it, but free market right? Just saying maybe or maybe not I've helped you in the past and to say that you would remember those that are "gouging" and would not help them because of that? That's cool and you're choice, just like it is my choice to sell my little ammo stash, but knowing how I am, Id still probably help you out if you needed it. Cause I'm not petty. I was banking on putting my kid thru college with my ammo stash if I had to one day lol. is my current situation along with my intention of putting my kid thru college one day if I needed to pay for it in brass and lead ok with you? Idk why you're post triggered me for some reason lol
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If u read my earlier post, it clears up what triggered u and u shouldnt be anymore.
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I'm getting triggered by people using the word triggered.
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I'm getting triggered by people using the word triggered.
I'm getting triggered by other people getting triggered by stuff that doesn't trigger me.
I feel left out.
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I hope the stuff we choose not to buy presently because of suspected price gouging doesn't become a bargain in the future.
Because that strange old man in the POTUS seat has been known to do strange things.
Just thinking of what he might do would trigger me to go out and buy 5.56 for 2 bucks a round. ;)
I keed. I keed. ;D (I think)