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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: macsak on May 17, 2021, 04:18:19 PM
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according to the forum economist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfwvt1jAqZ8
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Still looks fine to me.
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Still looks fine to me.
what a simple world you live in...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6tFV7gh_eE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1pZKiTlF5E
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nothing to see here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTP7n1HjDE0
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nothing to see here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTP7n1HjDE0
Make it higher :shaka: :geekdanc:
More gas costs the better alternatives look.
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Make it higher :shaka: :geekdanc:
More gas costs the better alternatives look.
... and the more everything we all consume will cost including Hawaii electricity.
Alternatives are not available NOW for EVERYONE. Wishing it to be so won't magically make them appear.
Coming out of a pandemic with high inflation and unemployment on top of uncontrolled gov't spending is not the time to voice support for higher gas prices.
That's just ridiculously stupid.
But, we all know you can't include all factors in your opinions. You have a one track mind when it comes to the Extreme Left agenda.
Maybe if you are so concerned with the environment, YOU should sell your gas-consuming car? Oh, wait! Your opinions stop where your hypocrisy begins.
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Make it higher :shaka: :geekdanc:
More gas costs the better alternatives look.
wait, i thought you said the other week that the higher gas prices were about the pipeline hack
goalposts------->moved
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... and the more everything we all consume will cost including Hawaii electricity.
Alternatives are not available NOW for EVERYONE. Wishing it to be so won't magically make them appear.
Coming out a pandemic with high inflation and unemployment on top of uncontrolled gov't spending is not the time to voice support for higher gas prices.
That's just ridiculously stupid.
But, we all know you can't include all factors in your opinions. You have a one track mind when it comes to the Extreme Left agenda.
Maybe if you are so concerned with the environment, YOU should sell your gas-consuming car? Oh, wait! Your opinions stop where your hypocrisy begins.
He doesnt understand econ, so how could he understand what higher gas prices mean?
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He doesnt understand econ, so how could he understand what higher gas prices mean?
1-D Chess.
If we raise the price of gas enough, everybody will buy new, more expensive electric vehicles. In Hawaii, you spend another $30K for solar, or you pay the high electricity prices to charge your new "green" car.
That doesn't even address the myriad of problems higher prices for gas brings. I lived through the 70s. Spending all day in a line to get gas hoping they didn't run out is not fun!
I worked in the office that pays people/businesses to install more energy efficient products. The cardinal rule: you have to make sure the money spent saving energy is LESS THAN the cost of the energy saved. It makes zero financial sense to save $100/month in energy if doing so costs you $125/month.
In other words, if I pay $10,000 more for an EV than a comparable gas-only car, at $3/gal, I can afford 3,333.33 gallons of gas with the money I save not buying an EV. If I get 25 MPG, I can drive 83,333.25 miles. That gives me 6.9 years worth of driving at an average 12K mi/yr. In summary, at $3/gal and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 6.9 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.
Now, add the cost of generating the electricity to charge the EV, any EV-unique repair costs like replacing batteries, etc. That pushes the break-even point even further down the proverbial road.
Liberals have no problem forcing "the other people" to spend their money in pursuit of their dreams. Just don't ask them to spend their own money and leave the rest of us free to make that choice ourselves.
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https://www.facebook.com/DanScavino/photos/a.1440914659457599/2891252751090442/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC5xKznGtX0
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1-D Chess.
If we raise the price of gas enough, everybody will buy new, more expensive electric vehicles. In Hawaii, you spend another $30K for solar, or you pay the high electricity prices to charge your new "green" car.
That doesn't even address the myriad of problems higher prices for gas brings. I lived through the 70s. Spending all day in a line to get gas hoping they didn't run out is not fun!
I worked in the office that pays people/businesses to install more energy efficient products. The cardinal rule: you have to make sure the money spent saving energy is LESS THAN the cost of the energy saved. It makes zero financial sense to save $100/month in energy if doing so costs you $125/month.
In other words, if I pay $10,000 more for an EV than a comparable gas-only car, at $3/gal, I can afford 3,333.33 gallons of gas with the money I save not buying an EV. If I get 25 MPG, I can drive 83,333.25 miles. That gives me 6.9 years worth of driving at an average 12K mi/yr. In summary, at $3/gal and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 6.9 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.
Now, add the cost of generating the electricity to charge the EV, any EV-unique repair costs like replacing batteries, etc. That pushes the break-even point even further down the proverbial road.
Liberals have no problem forcing "the other people" to spend their money in pursuit of their dreams. Just don't ask them to spend their own money and leave the rest of us free to make that choice ourselves.
At least Tesla sort of solved their battery problem. When they first came out, it was 1 huge battery at the bottom of the car. Now they're like 12 smaller batteries. And if replacing does need to be done, you probably won't have to replace all 12, but maybe 3 or 4 after about 8 years. Where as the 1 single battery life span was about 6 years. Or if it were to be damaged, then it would cost about $30K to replace the entire unit. Compared to $1-$2K for each battery unit now. Then enter the newer battery that he invented that is not yet being used on the cars that has an even longer life span.
Also to be eco friendly, the seats are not leather, but pleather (fake leather).
My condo has a EV charging station that cost about $2 for 25 miles. So about half the cost of gas.
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I used to be skeptical of alternative "monetary" systems but now it seems like a matter of frog-in-a-pot survival.
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I used to be skeptical of alternative "monetary" systems but now it seems like a matter of frog-in-a-pot survival.
I'm looking into Dogecoin. BTC is out of my budget. It would be a long term investment (3+ years). The part that bothers me is the IRS ask if you have ever bought, traded, acquired, sold, etc... crypto as the first question on the 1040. So if you say no and later report a taxable sale, they got you on perjury.
Right now, most crypto is not trackable by the IRS. You can request a 1099 from the broker, but they don't report to the IRS.
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according to the forum economist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfwvt1jAqZ8
Money is not wealth, it is a means of exchange.
If you listened closely the guy repeated stated
money isn't "Real", production and the means to produce,
are wealth.
Focus on that.
Modern Democrat run society is living in LA, LA land.
If the whole thing comes to a halt, are you prepared?
Focus on that.
It will not stop instantly, more like the Titanic,
it will sink slowly at first, and then disappear.
All that will be left is the wailing, chattering of teeth,
and the cold.
Prepare.
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Money is not wealth, it is a means of exchange.
If you listened closely the guy repeated stated
money isn't "Real", production and the means to produce,
are wealth.
Focus on that.
Modern Democrat run society is living in LA, LA land.
If the whole thing comes to a halt, are you prepared?
Focus on that.
It will not stop instantly, more like the Titanic,
it will sink slowly at first, and then disappear.
All that will be left is the wailing, chattering of teeth,
and the cold.
Prepare.
That's why back in the day we had "silver notes" and now the bills don't state that on them. Then 1 must look up who owns/controls the fed reserve. #tinfoilisback
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... and the more everything we all consume will cost including Hawaii electricity.
Alternatives are not available NOW for EVERYONE. Wishing it to be so won't magically make them appear.
Coming out a pandemic with high inflation and unemployment on top of uncontrolled gov't spending is not the time to voice support for higher gas prices.
That's just ridiculously stupid.
But, we all know you can't include all factors in your opinions. You have a one track mind when it comes to the Extreme Left agenda.
Maybe if you are so concerned with the environment, YOU should sell your gas-consuming car? Oh, wait! Your opinions stop where your hypocrisy begins.
Good make everything more expensive so we are forced to abandon fossil fuels quicker.
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1-D Chess.
If we raise the price of gas enough, everybody will buy new, more expensive electric vehicles. In Hawaii, you spend another $30K for solar, or you pay the high electricity prices to charge your new "green" car.
That doesn't even address the myriad of problems higher prices for gas brings. I lived through the 70s. Spending all day in a line to get gas hoping they didn't run out is not fun!
I worked in the office that pays people/businesses to install more energy efficient products. The cardinal rule: you have to make sure the money spent saving energy is LESS THAN the cost of the energy saved. It makes zero financial sense to save $100/month in energy if doing so costs you $125/month.
In other words, if I pay $10,000 more for an EV than a comparable gas-only car, at $3/gal, I can afford 3,333.33 gallons of gas with the money I save not buying an EV. If I get 25 MPG, I can drive 83,333.25 miles. That gives me 6.9 years worth of driving at an average 12K mi/yr. In summary, at $3/gal and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 6.9 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.
Now, add the cost of generating the electricity to charge the EV, any EV-unique repair costs like replacing batteries, etc. That pushes the break-even point even further down the proverbial road.
Liberals have no problem forcing "the other people" to spend their money in pursuit of their dreams. Just don't ask them to spend their own money and leave the rest of us free to make that choice ourselves.
Force everyone including myself to find alternatives. Good in my book. Like you said, there are many variables. Make gas more, so alternatives are cheaper. Progress ain't free. The environment has prices too. Look at recent storms costing people BILLIONS.
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Force everyone including myself to find alternatives.
You just made a great case for Mods to ban you from the board, congrats on the self own.
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You just made a great case for Mods to ban you from the board, congrats on the self own.
:wacko: :wtf: ???
What?
How is advocating for environmental polices against forum rules?
FYI from your "edit" many things are "forced". Like taxes. :crazy: Laws too. All "forceful" mandates. Even "forced" usage of masks :rofl: Would have to ban the entire forum with your logic.
Congrats on the ignorance self own.
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Force everyone including myself to find alternatives. Good in my book. Like you said, there are many variables. Make gas more, so alternatives are cheaper. Progress ain't free. The environment has prices too. Look at recent storms costing people BILLIONS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y3FzVQi-R8
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:wacko: :wtf: ???
What?
How is advocating for environmental polices against forum rules?
'People in charge should take away choices from people to force them to behave the way the leadership desires.' Chairman Mao and Biden would be proud of your Comradeship.
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'People in charge should take away choices from people to force them to behave the way the leadership desires.' Chairman Mao and Biden would be proud of your Comradeship.
Are you an anarchist? If you haven't seen my edit, you should be aware that ALL laws are designed to take away choices from people and to force them to behave the way the leadership desires.
Forcing people to drive a certain speed, not kill each other, pay taxes, not limit speech, ages for drinking and gun ownership and millions more.
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Good make everything more expensive so we are forced to abandon fossil fuels quicker.
it's an omnigun world and we're all just livin' in it...
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it's an omnigun world and we're all just livin' in it...
I think I caught the omni flu. Ordered an EV...
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Are you an anarchist? If you haven't seen my edit, you should be aware that ALL laws are designed to take away choices from people and to force them to behave the way the leadership desires.
"the way the leadership desires?"
Sounds communist to me. Something a dictator would say.
I always believed the laws of this nation were conceived by, for, and of the people. The leaders of our nation are supposedly public servants.
Supposedly......seems like some government officials forgot or didn't get the memo.
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I think I caught the omni flu. Ordered an EV...
you would have to get diarrhea and lose 40-50 lbs to get to his size from the omni flu...
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Also to be eco friendly, the seats are not leather, but pleather (fake leather).
My condo has a EV charging station that cost about $2 for 25 miles. So about half the cost of gas.
Exactly. So, if you got FREE electricity to recharge your car, my example requires a 6.9 year break-even period.
Tack onto that another $2/25 mi cost (your example), and you get:
12K mi per yr / 25 mi per $2 = 480 charges per year
480 charges per year * $2 = $960/yr
So, now you have to save another $960/yr to break even above the $10,000 premium you paid for the EV. By the time you hit the break-even for the $10K at 6.9 years, you'll have paid another $6,762 to operate your EV.
Looking at it another way, if we subtract the $2 you pay for charging from the $3 in gas you save (both dollar amounts are for 25 miles, so that's convenient), you are really only saving $1 per 25mi. Plugging that into my earlier calculations:
That's now 10,000 gallons of gas you can buy at $1/gal, and you can drive 25mi * 10K gal = 250,000 miles, or 3 times the original distance calculated. Divide that by 12Kmi/year, and ...
at $1/gal (gas price less what I would pay for EV charging) and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 20.83 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.
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Are you an anarchist? If you haven't seen my edit, you should be aware that ALL laws are designed to take away choices from people and to force them to behave the way the leadership desires.
Not "all" laws. There is a law that allows a woman to be topless in public. That's giving the choice, not taking it away.
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Force everyone including myself to find alternatives. Good in my book. Like you said, there are many variables. Make gas more, so alternatives are cheaper. Progress ain't free. The environment has prices too. Look at recent storms costing people BILLIONS.
"Forced behavior" is the new "Freedom."
So says the mask mandate Nazi.
There's no scientific evidence that MANMADE emissions CAUSED ANY weather events. Pure hype.
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Good make everything more expensive so we are forced to abandon fossil fuels quicker.
I find it appalling that you hate poor people and the middle class who are already struggling to get by.
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"the way the leadership desires?"
Sounds communist to me. Something a dictator would say.
I always believed the laws of this nation were conceived by, for, and of the people. The leaders of our nation are supposedly public servants.
Supposedly......seems like some government officials forgot or didn't get the memo.
The people elect the leadership so the leadership should reflect the peoples desires. Doesn't work that way in commieland. But here in America it does.
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Not "all" laws. There is a law that allows a woman to be topless in public. That's giving the choice, not taking it away.
Still telling someone how to dress and what level. Is still limiting a choice even if guised as giving a choice.
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"Forced behavior" is the new "Freedom."
So says the mask mandate Nazi.
There's no scientific evidence that MANMADE emissions CAUSED ANY weather events. Pure hype.
There is evidence of warming, rising co2 and other greenhouse gas levels all coincidence with humans industrial complex? We know heat causes stronger storms...just like covid, the environment is a national security risk.
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There is evidence of warming, rising co2 and other greenhouse gas levels all coincidence with humans industrial complex? We know heat causes stronger storms...just like covid, the environment is a national security risk.
As usual, you skipped right over the term
MANMADE
because there is no evidence that MAN is causing the changes you described again and again.
So, you keep arguing about something I never said. Get back to us when you learn to read for comprehension and not just post talking points.
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There is evidence of warming, rising co2 and other greenhouse gas levels all coincidence with humans industrial complex? We know heat causes stronger storms...just like covid, the environment is a national security risk.
is that English?
funny how your "proof" ignores the whole coincidence/causation thing
but hey, it's how you feel, so that has merit...
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is that English?
funny how your "proof" ignores the whole coincidence/causation thing
but hey, it's how you feel, so that has merit...
Wonder what caused the rise in CO2 gases thousands of years before the existence of man?
Oh, wait ... that requires acknowledgment of factors that have nothing at all to do with man. The cult frowns upon theories that contradict their dogma.
Those damned Dinosaurs and their factories! They deserved to become extinct -- just like humans do now! :crazy:
The Last Time CO2 Was This High, Humans Didn’t Exist
https://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-this-high-humans-didnt-exist-15938
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Fun Fact - California Laws preventing standard forestry maintenance to 'protect wildlife' end up creating uncontrolled wildfires that pump massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere, more than all of the cars in the state.
"fires emitted an estimated 79.6 million metric tons of carbon dioxide in California this year through September 14. These Carbon emissions contribute to long-term heating of the planet, particulate-matter pollution can cause health problems both in the short and long term. Smoke from California’s wildfires is affecting air quality thousands of kilometers away, with Copernicus satellites showing the smog spreading across the U.S. and parts of Canada."
"California cars emit 76.4 million tons (not metric) of carbon dioxide annually"
You cant have it both ways Green Communists.
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As usual, you skipped right over the term
MANMADE
because there is no evidence that MAN is causing the changes you described again and again.
So, you keep arguing about something I never said. Get back to us when you learn to read for comprehension and not just post talking points.
They have ice core samples showing industrial revolution and the increasing co2. Are you seriously trying to argue we have no impact?
Try read my statement. I was taking about humans....
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what a simple troll life...once again another thread derailed
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Fun Fact - California Laws preventing standard forestry maintenance to 'protect wildlife' end up creating uncontrolled wildfires that pump massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere, more than all of the cars in the state.
"fires emitted an estimated 79.6 million metric tons of carbon dioxide in California this year through September 14. These Carbon emissions contribute to long-term heating of the planet, particulate-matter pollution can cause health problems both in the short and long term. Smoke from California’s wildfires is affecting air quality thousands of kilometers away, with Copernicus satellites showing the smog spreading across the U.S. and parts of Canada."
"California cars emit 76.4 million tons (not metric) of carbon dioxide annually"
You cant have it both ways Green Communists.
Of course they opposed it & mocked Trump for wanting to 'rake' the forest to receive federal funding
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They have ice core samples showing industrial revolution and the increasing co2. Are you seriously trying to argue we have no impact?
Try read my statement. I was taking about humans....
Did I say that?
Learn to read ... and write!
"Coincidence" (your term) is not a synonym for "causation." Come back when there's real evidence of causation.
:stopjack: :stopjack:
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I am happy as long as the government is forcing as many people as possible to do stuff against their will
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Bad news for old joe?
https://youtu.be/uHfTQoTmABo
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what a simple troll life...once again another thread derailed
The Beatles - Nowhere Man live 1966 (Colourised)
https://youtu.be/2P-qu60xB10
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-will-launch-a-broad-discussion-of-a-digital-dollar-this-summer-powell-says-11621534045
FEDCOIN...
All the manipulation of a fiat currency, with the added benefit that the government knows every one of your transactions and can shut off your citizenry switch any time it wants.
On the no-fly list for encouraging critical thinking with your social media comments? No guns or ammo for you, Mr Deplorable.
Should have voted Democrat and done what you were told!
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-will-launch-a-broad-discussion-of-a-digital-dollar-this-summer-powell-says-11621534045
FEDCOIN...
All the manipulation of a fiat currency, with the added benefit that the government knows every one of your transactions and can shut off your citizenry switch any time it wants.
On the no-fly list for encouraging critical thinking with your social media comments? No guns or ammo for you, Mr Deplorable.
Should have voted Democrat and done what you were told!
The current US dollar is already "digital". Jokes on everyone.
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The current US dollar is already "digital". Jokes on everyone.
"Digital" banking, investment and payment accounts are not the same as "crypto currency."
"Cryptocurrencies work using a technology called blockchain. Blockchain is a
decentralized technology spread across many computers that manages and
records transactions. Part of the appeal of this technology is its security."
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"Digital" banking, investment and payment accounts are not the same as "crypto currency."
"Cryptocurrencies work using a technology called blockchain. Blockchain is a
decentralized technology spread across many computers that manages and
records transactions. Part of the appeal of this technology is its security."
Meant as in not backed by something tangible like silver. US dollar is just paper. So hence the "digital" in quotations, not to be combined with crypto digital.
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Meant as in not backed by something tangible like silver. US dollar is just paper. So hence the "digital" in quotations, not to be combined with crypto digital.
Oh, okay.
The value of the US dollar is effectively based on what buyers of the currency are willing to pay. Since US Dollars are required for things like OPEC oil purchases, etc., the dollar will remain in demand unless and until the standard currency shifts to another -- like crypto? :popcorn:
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The point is when they take away the paper they also take away your privacy and right to exist.
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The point is when they take away the paper they also take away your privacy and right to exist.
Privacy is only used to justify abortions and people who hide their true identities on Internet forums.
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Imagine how much fun surfing the 2ahawaii.com classifieds will be when the government tracks the purchase of every last shell, part, and accessory.
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Imagine how much fun surfing the 2ahawaii.com classifieds will be when the government tracks the purchase of every last shell, part, and accessory.
They already do that.
You think Private Messages are really ... you know ... private? :rofl:
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/prices-are-rising-in-the-wake-of-the-pandemic-what-consumers-need-to-know/ar-AAKgPPy?ocid=msedgdhp
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They already do that.
You think Private Messages are really ... you know ... private? :rofl:
At the moment it takes a bit of detective work, and someone can always log in with a disposable email and a vpn. Having a searchable database of every transaction ever is a whole different ball o wax
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I actually agree, privacy is important. No central database. Though with crypto they have traceable and untraceable versions.
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I actually agree, privacy is important. No central database. Though with crypto they have tractable and untraceable versions.
tractable: adj.
1. easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2. easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable.
A vocabulary is a wonderful thing.
But then, so is PROOFREADING!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN2Tc7o8xWI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TWlhnCmvws
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tJ66hv449M