according to the forum economist...

Still looks fine to me.   

Still looks fine to me.

what a simple world you live in...

nothing to see here...

nothing to see here...

Make it higher 

More gas costs the better alternatives look. 

Make it higher 

More gas costs the better alternatives look.

... and the more everything we all consume will cost including Hawaii electricity.

Alternatives are not available NOW for EVERYONE.  Wishing it to be so won't magically make them appear.

Coming out of a pandemic with high inflation and unemployment on top of uncontrolled gov't spending is not the time to voice support for higher gas prices.

That's just ridiculously stupid.

But, we all know you can't include all factors in your opinions.  You have a one track mind when it comes to the Extreme Left agenda.

Maybe if you are so concerned with the environment, YOU should sell your gas-consuming car?  Oh, wait!  Your opinions stop where your hypocrisy begins.

Make it higher 

More gas costs the better alternatives look.

wait, i thought you said the other week that the higher gas prices were about the pipeline hack
goalposts------->moved

... and the more everything we all consume will cost including Hawaii electricity.

Alternatives are not available NOW for EVERYONE.  Wishing it to be so won't magically make them appear.

Coming out a pandemic with high inflation and unemployment on top of uncontrolled gov't spending is not the time to voice support for higher gas prices.

That's just ridiculously stupid.

But, we all know you can't include all factors in your opinions.  You have a one track mind when it comes to the Extreme Left agenda.

Maybe if you are so concerned with the environment, YOU should sell your gas-consuming car?  Oh, wait!  Your opinions stop where your hypocrisy begins.

He doesnt understand econ, so how could he understand what higher gas prices mean?

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He doesnt understand econ, so how could he understand what higher gas prices mean?

1-D Chess.

If we raise the price of gas enough, everybody will buy new, more expensive electric vehicles.  In Hawaii, you spend another $30K for solar, or you pay the high electricity prices to charge your new "green" car.

That doesn't even address the myriad of problems higher prices for gas brings.  I lived through the 70s.  Spending all day in a line to get gas hoping they didn't run out is not fun!

I worked in the office that pays people/businesses to install more energy efficient products.  The cardinal rule:  you have to make sure the money spent saving energy is LESS THAN the cost of the energy saved.  It makes zero financial sense to save $100/month in energy if doing so costs you $125/month.

In other words, if I pay $10,000 more for an EV than a comparable gas-only car, at $3/gal, I can afford 3,333.33 gallons of gas with the money I save not buying an EV.  If I get 25 MPG, I can drive 83,333.25 miles.  That gives me 6.9 years worth of driving at an average 12K mi/yr.  In summary, at $3/gal and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 6.9 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.

Now, add the cost of generating the electricity to charge the EV, any EV-unique repair costs like replacing batteries, etc.  That pushes the break-even point even further down the proverbial road.

Liberals have no problem forcing "the other people" to spend their money in pursuit of their dreams.  Just don't ask them to spend their own money and leave the rest of us free to make that choice ourselves.

1-D Chess.

If we raise the price of gas enough, everybody will buy new, more expensive electric vehicles.  In Hawaii, you spend another $30K for solar, or you pay the high electricity prices to charge your new "green" car.

That doesn't even address the myriad of problems higher prices for gas brings.  I lived through the 70s.  Spending all day in a line to get gas hoping they didn't run out is not fun!

I worked in the office that pays people/businesses to install more energy efficient products.  The cardinal rule:  you have to make sure the money spent saving energy is LESS THAN the cost of the energy saved.  It makes zero financial sense to save $100/month in energy if doing so costs you $125/month.

In other words, if I pay $10,000 more for an EV than a comparable gas-only car, at $3/gal, I can afford 3,333.33 gallons of gas with the money I save not buying an EV.  If I get 25 MPG, I can drive 83,333.25 miles.  That gives me 6.9 years worth of driving at an average 12K mi/yr.  In summary, at $3/gal and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 6.9 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.

Now, add the cost of generating the electricity to charge the EV, any EV-unique repair costs like replacing batteries, etc.  That pushes the break-even point even further down the proverbial road.

Liberals have no problem forcing "the other people" to spend their money in pursuit of their dreams.  Just don't ask them to spend their own money and leave the rest of us free to make that choice ourselves.

At least Tesla sort of solved their battery problem. When they first came out, it was 1 huge battery at the bottom of the car. Now they're like 12 smaller batteries.  And if replacing does need to be done, you probably won't have to replace all 12, but maybe 3 or 4 after about 8 years.  Where as the 1 single battery life span was about 6 years.  Or if it were to be damaged, then it would cost about $30K to replace the entire unit. Compared to $1-$2K for each battery unit now.  Then enter the newer battery that he invented that is not yet being used on the cars that has an even longer life span.

Also to be eco friendly, the seats are not leather, but pleather (fake leather).

My condo has a EV charging station that cost about $2 for 25 miles.  So about half the cost of gas.

I used to be skeptical of alternative "monetary" systems but now it seems like a matter of frog-in-a-pot survival.

I used to be skeptical of alternative "monetary" systems but now it seems like a matter of frog-in-a-pot survival.

I'm looking into Dogecoin. BTC is out of my budget.  It would be a long term investment (3+ years).  The part that bothers me is the IRS ask if you have ever bought, traded, acquired, sold, etc... crypto as the first question on the 1040.  So if you say no and later report a taxable sale, they got you on perjury.

Right now, most crypto is not trackable by the IRS.  You can request a 1099 from the broker, but they don't report to the IRS.

according to the forum economist...

Money is not wealth, it is a means of exchange.
If you listened closely the guy repeated stated
money isn't "Real", production and the means to produce,
are wealth.
Focus on that.
Modern Democrat run society is living in LA, LA land.
If the whole thing comes to a halt, are you prepared?
Focus on that.
It will not stop instantly, more like the Titanic,
it will sink slowly at first, and then disappear.
All that will be left is the wailing, chattering of teeth,
and the cold.
Prepare.

Money is not wealth, it is a means of exchange.
If you listened closely the guy repeated stated
money isn't "Real", production and the means to produce,
are wealth.
Focus on that.
Modern Democrat run society is living in LA, LA land.
If the whole thing comes to a halt, are you prepared?
Focus on that.
It will not stop instantly, more like the Titanic,
it will sink slowly at first, and then disappear.
All that will be left is the wailing, chattering of teeth,
and the cold.
Prepare.

That's why back in the day we had "silver notes" and now the bills don't state that on them.  Then 1 must look up who owns/controls the fed reserve. #tinfoilisback

... and the more everything we all consume will cost including Hawaii electricity.

Alternatives are not available NOW for EVERYONE.  Wishing it to be so won't magically make them appear.

Coming out a pandemic with high inflation and unemployment on top of uncontrolled gov't spending is not the time to voice support for higher gas prices.

That's just ridiculously stupid.

But, we all know you can't include all factors in your opinions.  You have a one track mind when it comes to the Extreme Left agenda.

Maybe if you are so concerned with the environment, YOU should sell your gas-consuming car?  Oh, wait!  Your opinions stop where your hypocrisy begins.

Good make everything more expensive so we are forced to abandon fossil fuels quicker. 

1-D Chess.

If we raise the price of gas enough, everybody will buy new, more expensive electric vehicles.  In Hawaii, you spend another $30K for solar, or you pay the high electricity prices to charge your new "green" car.

That doesn't even address the myriad of problems higher prices for gas brings.  I lived through the 70s.  Spending all day in a line to get gas hoping they didn't run out is not fun!

I worked in the office that pays people/businesses to install more energy efficient products.  The cardinal rule:  you have to make sure the money spent saving energy is LESS THAN the cost of the energy saved.  It makes zero financial sense to save $100/month in energy if doing so costs you $125/month.

In other words, if I pay $10,000 more for an EV than a comparable gas-only car, at $3/gal, I can afford 3,333.33 gallons of gas with the money I save not buying an EV.  If I get 25 MPG, I can drive 83,333.25 miles.  That gives me 6.9 years worth of driving at an average 12K mi/yr.  In summary, at $3/gal and 12K mi/yr driving, it would take me 6.9 years of driving an EV to break even compared to driving the gas car.

Now, add the cost of generating the electricity to charge the EV, any EV-unique repair costs like replacing batteries, etc.  That pushes the break-even point even further down the proverbial road.

Liberals have no problem forcing "the other people" to spend their money in pursuit of their dreams.  Just don't ask them to spend their own money and leave the rest of us free to make that choice ourselves.

Force everyone including myself to find alternatives.  Good in my book. Like you said, there are many variables.  Make gas more, so alternatives are cheaper.   Progress ain't free.  The environment has prices too.  Look at recent storms costing people BILLIONS.