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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldfart on November 08, 2021, 09:46:48 AM
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Be on he lookout for really good deals (or any deal) from suspicious looking characters.
I got word that the ATF issued a warning that a dealer got hit.
That's all the solid info I have at the moment.
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Word on the block is they are 22LR rifles, less than 5 of them.
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Word on the block is they are 22LR rifles, less than 5 of them.
:o
If I hadn't ordered my CZ 457, I would still be on the hunt. That said, I generally would buy firearms from a LGS or online vendor VIA FFL, and VERY cautious on purchase via private sales. Esp if a deposit was asked for.
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Evening news showed a short video of the event at J. Hara.
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Here's the article, https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/11/09/thief-goes-rifles-burglary-oahu-sporting-goods-store/
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Hope the manager can release the serial numbers of the weapons to alert HPD, the ATF, and the general public.
The store needs to install an alarm that goes off immediately when the first door is breached. In 10 seconds or less it should trigger a pepper storm and exploding dye packs if the alarm system is not bypassed. This is one of the good small stores on the island, and one of the few places where people can get bows and fishing gear. :(
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What? He neva take any ammo?
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What? He neva take any ammo?
Worth more than the rifles. And easier to dump. 🤦♂️
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What? He neva take any ammo?
Maybe the store cleared out the gun safes and had all the ammo locked up? :rofl:
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what an idiot, he wont even be able to use those guns since they arent properly registered!
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According to the news story:
SW AR15
Rossi pump 22. Quite an unusual rifle. BOLO for this thing.
Ruger 10-22
Mini-14
Somewhat unusual gun and takes mini14 magazines
BOLO for somebody looking to buy 22 and 223 ammo and mini-14 magazines.
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Store should be charged with improper storage. What kind of gun store doesn’t lock up their guns in a safe?
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Store should be charged with improper storage. What kind of gun store doesn’t lock up their guns in a safe?
The law doesn't require you to lock up your guns. They only require that you implement "proper storage" if you have minors in the home, or if minors may be able to gain access to the gun/s (like kids visiting -- family members, friend's kids, etc.).
I doubt the store anticipates minors inside the store after closing.
I'm sure the store's insurance carrier's require some additional security, like alarms, video cameras and bars over glass doors and windows. Locking all the guns in safes becomes a major task at the beginning and end of each business day. Display cases and walls full of pistols and long guns could take a really long time to move to and from safes.
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What? He neva take any ammo?
Probably didn’t have any ammo.
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I'm sure the store's insurance carrier's require some additional security, like alarms, video cameras and bars over glass doors and windows. Locking all the guns in safes becomes a major task at the beginning and end of each business day. Display cases and walls full of pistols and long guns could take a really long time to move to and from safes.
The US Senate is trying to push a new bill called the SECURE Act.
https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-schneider-introduce-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-from-stolen-firearms (https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-schneider-introduce-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-from-stolen-firearms)
The SECURE (Safety Enhancements for Communities Using Reasonable and Effective) Firearm Storage Act would address the problem of “smash and grab” gun store burglaries by requiring all firearms to be securely stored when a federally-licensed gun dealer is not open for business.
One of the suggested ideas is to place a rod through the trigger guard of all rifles out in the open. Bad idea because the placement of the trigger relative to the edges of guard is not uniform, so it may not fit. If it does not fit, you must quit. Other sponsors of the bill include Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, i.e., the usual nudnicks.
A visit to other licensed gun dealers in Oahu suggests a consensus recommendation that J Hara Store replace their inner glass door with a reinforced metal one. This would greatly reduce the “smash and grab” problem. Use a security camera to preview the area outside the door. I would also recommend that the store not file an insurance claim, because most insurers look for any excuse to cancel your policy.
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The US Senate is trying to push a new bill called the SECURE Act.
https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-schneider-introduce-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-from-stolen-firearms (https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-schneider-introduce-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-from-stolen-firearms)
One of the suggested ideas is to place a rod through the trigger guard of all rifles out in the open. Bad idea because the placement of the trigger relative to the edges of guard is not uniform, so it may not fit. If it does not fit, you must quit. Other sponsors of the bill include Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, i.e., the usual nudnicks.
A visit to other licensed gun dealers in Oahu suggests a consensus recommendation that J Hara Store replace their inner glass door with a reinforced metal one. This would greatly reduce the “smash and grab” problem. Use a security camera to preview the area outside the door. I would also recommend that the store not file an insurance claim, because most insurers look for any excuse to cancel your policy.
Some trigger guards are polymer (Magpul), so a pair of wire or tin snips could be enough to defeat a trigger guard rod.
I was thinking maybe those metal gates they have in the mall that pull down. Have a half-height version that pulls down to a metal trough attached to the wall just below the long gun display areas on the walls. At quitting time, pull the gate down and secure it to the trough about a foot in front of the rifles. Basically a cage for the wall areas that take a long time to try and defeat.
Display cases and floor racks are the hardest to protect. I guess you could install those gates to lower on each side of the case area, and use padlocks to connect the corners?
Just thinking out loud. Anything that's quick and easy to open and close while making it difficult for thieves to get around would be useful. Has to be affordable for the businesses and secure enough to give alarm responders time to arrive on scene.
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Pawn shops secure their entrance better than J Hara did. You can’t break into a pawn shop with only a crow bar.
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The law doesn't require you to lock up your guns. They only require that you implement "proper storage" if you have minors in the home, or if minors may be able to gain access to the gun/s (like kids visiting -- family members, friend's kids, etc.).
I doubt the store anticipates minors inside the store after closing.
I'm sure the store's insurance carrier's require some additional security, like alarms, video cameras and bars over glass doors and windows. Locking all the guns in safes becomes a major task at the beginning and end of each business day. Display cases and walls full of pistols and long guns could take a really long time to move to and from safes.
Makes sense
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The thief was scoping out the place for a while. Noticing the habits and SOP protocol of the shop.
My opinion: Inside job. Or a friend of a friend of a friend who took advantage of an employee who ran his mouth a little bit too much.
Pawn shops secure their entrance better than J Hara did. You can’t break into a pawn shop with only a crow bar.
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I was thinking maybe those metal gates they have in the mall that pull down. Have a half-height version that pulls down to a metal trough attached to the wall just below the long gun display areas on the walls. At quitting time, pull the gate down and secure it to the trough about a foot in front of the rifles. Basically a cage for the wall areas that take a long time to try and defeat.
Just thinking out loud.
This is exactly what the manager told me they were considering. A roller gate at the very front of the store, facing the lower level of the shopping complex. I think the original door on that side was not even working. This leads to an alcove that is used to store non-valuables. The two glass doors that actually lead inside the store were smashed. The one on the right is now boarded with plywood. CCI .22lr mini mags were completely sold out when I was there on Friday. I think the community is supporting the store by purchasing goods, to increase the store's cash flow. Whoever owns the mall should have increased the cameras in the garage. The City of Honolulu should have placed more street side cameras on 5th Avenue, since it leads to a possible getaway entrance to H1. Not trying to be a Lt. Columbo or Kojak, but the powers that be need to be more aware of crime surveillance.
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This is exactly what the manager told me they were considering. A roller gate at the very front of the store, facing the lower level of the shopping complex. I think the original door on that side was not even working. This leads to an alcove that is used to store non-valuables. The two glass doors that actually lead inside the store were smashed. The one on the right is now boarded with plywood. CCI .22lr mini mags were completely sold out when I was there on Friday. I think the community is supporting the store by purchasing goods, to increase the store's cash flow. Whoever owns the mall should have increased the cameras in the garage. The City of Honolulu should have placed more street side cameras on 5th Avenue, since it leads to a possible getaway entrance to H1. Not trying to be a Lt. Columbo or Kojak, but the powers that be need to be more aware of crime surveillance.
The police rely on private businesses and homes to have video surveillance. Not only are there privacy issues for them to combat, but taxes would be needed to repair and replace the cameras when they are damaged and stolen.
Crooks who see the cameras will take measures to avoid detection and identification. Unless the cameras are covert, it's hard to get a good, recognizable image of a crook's face. And too often the getaway vehicles are stolen. Little to lead to the criminals.
Anything that creates noise, calls someone to the store, or delays their exit (taking time to break into where the valuables are) all help deter theft. A good alarm system that alerts a monitoring company and/or police, sirens and lights that go off inside the store to draw attention to the break-in, and roll-down gates they have to find a way to defeat all combine into a harder target to rob.
Anyway, there are so many security devices and enclosures to choose from, the only question is can you afford them?
In Saudi Arabia, we had classified material that was required to be stored in a vault or significantly beefed-up room to stop anyone from accessing it without coming through the door. if that was unavailable, you had the option if using alarm systems monitored by the Security Police. Since we were in a trailer, we installed motion detectors and door/window sensors. It was impossible to enter the room without detection. To unlock and lock the door, we had to notify the SP monitors and authenticate with a list of codes provided to us monthly. We also had duress codes, should we be forced by someone to give the authentication. At least once a month, the SPs would show up at the office in numbers carrying M16s. Someone opened the tape library door and forgot to call. :rofl:
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Some hi strength fishing line all over the place (like lasers from entrapment) would be cool
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Some hi strength fishing line all over the place (like lasers from entrapment) would be cool
I wish it wasn't illegal to set up booby traps.
I remember a 60 Minutes story once where a shop keeper was having people (mostly urban teens) break in through his ceiling. So, he created a steal mesh -- kind of a grid or cage -- beneath the corner of the ceiling where they kept breaking in. Before he left each night, he'd plug the grid into a 110V outlet and unplug it when he came to work.
One morning he discovered his trap had caught a burglar. The intruder was electrocuted to death. The shop keeper was charged with manslaughter.
So, effective -- therefore illegal.
It's wrong for Rittenhouse to make the choice to be in Kenosha that night with a personal defense weapon, but it was not the burglar's fault for choosing to break into the store from the roof?
Justice in this country really has major problems sometimes.
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Only a few billionaires in the state can afford high tech alarms and vaults that would stop thieves. Some over-the-top examples are featured in the movie, Red Notice (on Netflix).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0wz7zu3Ms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0wz7zu3Ms)
Businesses in the state are unable to stop thieves due to the open layout of lots and stores. There is a rash of catalytic converter thefts throughout Hawaii.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kAaZypTIgw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kAaZypTIgw)
If you own a car, you are not immune from the crooks. Please notify Sgt. Kim if you recognize any of the perps in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR_A44KbOmE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR_A44KbOmE)
Google Nest has email notification of intrusions. Use it to protect your home. Not much you can do when you are out in public. I only feel safe at KHSC.
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HPD said get a big dog