BOLO theft of guns from a store (Read 7213 times)

DocMercy

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2021, 11:21:36 AM »

I was thinking maybe those metal gates they have in the mall that pull down.  Have a half-height version that pulls down to a metal trough attached to the wall just below the long gun display areas on the walls.  At quitting time, pull the gate down and secure it to the trough about a foot in front of the rifles.  Basically a cage for the wall areas that take a long time to try and defeat.

Just thinking out loud. 

This is exactly what the manager told me they were considering. A roller gate at the very front of the store, facing the lower level of the shopping complex. I think the original door on that side was not even working. This leads to an alcove that is used to store non-valuables. The two glass doors that actually lead inside the store were smashed. The one on the right is now boarded with plywood. CCI .22lr mini mags were completely sold out when I was there on Friday. I think the community is supporting the store by purchasing goods, to increase the store's cash flow. Whoever owns the mall should have increased the cameras in the garage. The City of Honolulu should have placed more street side cameras on 5th Avenue, since it leads to a possible getaway entrance to H1. Not trying to be a Lt. Columbo or Kojak, but the powers that be need to be more aware of crime surveillance.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2021, 03:35:59 PM »
This is exactly what the manager told me they were considering. A roller gate at the very front of the store, facing the lower level of the shopping complex. I think the original door on that side was not even working. This leads to an alcove that is used to store non-valuables. The two glass doors that actually lead inside the store were smashed. The one on the right is now boarded with plywood. CCI .22lr mini mags were completely sold out when I was there on Friday. I think the community is supporting the store by purchasing goods, to increase the store's cash flow. Whoever owns the mall should have increased the cameras in the garage. The City of Honolulu should have placed more street side cameras on 5th Avenue, since it leads to a possible getaway entrance to H1. Not trying to be a Lt. Columbo or Kojak, but the powers that be need to be more aware of crime surveillance.

The police rely on private businesses and homes to have video surveillance.  Not only are there privacy issues for them to combat, but taxes would be needed to repair and replace the cameras when they are damaged and stolen.

Crooks who see the cameras will take measures to avoid detection and identification.  Unless the cameras are covert, it's hard to get a good, recognizable image of a crook's face.  And too often the getaway vehicles are stolen.  Little to lead to the criminals.

Anything that creates noise, calls someone to the store, or delays their exit (taking time to break into where the valuables are) all help deter theft.  A good alarm system that alerts a monitoring company and/or police, sirens and lights that go off inside the store to draw attention to the break-in, and roll-down gates they have to find a way to defeat all combine into a harder target to rob.

Anyway, there are so many security devices and enclosures to choose from, the only question is can you afford them? 

In Saudi Arabia, we had classified material that was required to be stored in a vault or significantly beefed-up room to stop anyone from accessing it without coming through the door.  if that was unavailable, you had the option if using alarm systems monitored by the Security Police.  Since we were in a trailer, we installed motion detectors and door/window sensors.  It was impossible to enter the room without detection.  To unlock and lock the door, we had to notify the SP monitors and authenticate with a list of codes provided to us monthly.  We also had duress codes, should we be forced by someone to give the authentication.  At least once a month, the SPs would show up at the office in numbers carrying M16s.  Someone opened the tape library door and forgot to call.   :rofl:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aaronc5362

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2021, 05:13:14 AM »
Some hi strength fishing line all over the place (like lasers from entrapment) would be cool

Flapp_Jackson

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2021, 03:20:48 PM »
Some hi strength fishing line all over the place (like lasers from entrapment) would be cool

I wish it wasn't illegal to set up booby traps. 

I remember a 60 Minutes story once where a shop keeper was having people (mostly urban teens) break in through his ceiling.  So, he created a steal mesh -- kind of a grid or cage -- beneath the corner of the ceiling where they kept breaking in.  Before he left each night, he'd plug the grid into a 110V outlet and unplug it when he came to work.

One morning he discovered his trap had caught a burglar.  The intruder was electrocuted to death.  The shop keeper was charged with manslaughter. 

So, effective -- therefore illegal.

It's wrong for Rittenhouse to make the choice to be in Kenosha that night with a personal defense weapon, but it was not the burglar's fault for choosing to break into the store from the roof?

Justice in this  country really has major problems sometimes.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

DocMercy

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2021, 04:39:32 PM »
Only a few billionaires in the state can afford high tech alarms and vaults that would stop thieves. Some over-the-top examples are featured in the movie, Red Notice (on Netflix).


Businesses in the state are unable to stop thieves due to the open layout of lots and stores. There is a rash of catalytic converter thefts throughout Hawaii.


If you own a car, you are not immune from the crooks. Please notify Sgt. Kim if you recognize any of the perps in the video below.


Google Nest has email notification of intrusions. Use it to protect your home. Not much you can do when you are out in public. I only feel safe at KHSC.

ren

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2021, 05:04:09 PM »
HPD said get a big dog
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