Post by: Mr. Farknocker on January 13, 2022, 04:03:57 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 13, 2022, 05:12:20 PM
Site is busted
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Post by: pacwire on January 13, 2022, 06:11:55 PM
Hey maybe it’s a conspiracy!
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Post by: mrgaf on January 14, 2022, 10:01:22 AM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 14, 2022, 01:04:18 PM
Withdrawal sucks!Maybe Biden had us taken down because his biggest supporter here was kicked off?
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 14, 2022, 01:37:35 PM
Maybe Biden had us taken down because his biggest supporter here was kicked off?Lol
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 15, 2022, 01:42:49 PM
Maybe Biden had us taken down because his biggest supporter here was kicked off?Was he? I have not been up to date here. I had been trying to access this site for days until I though to try Tapatalk. WTF.
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Serious question, is there another web forum we can use as an alternative to this one? Like, years ago I remember the high road. Not sure it is still active. Not been on for ages. I don’t suppose we should use a Reddit section for Hawaii gun talk. Gonna be crazy with tons of BS from communists I mean liberals.
You guys can read this post from me right? Haven’t used this app for years either.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 15, 2022, 08:50:04 PM
Was he? I have not been up to date here. I had been trying to access this site for days until I though to try Tapatalk. WTF.Message received.
Serious question, is there another web forum we can use as an alternative to this one? Like, years ago I remember the high road. Not sure it is still active. Not been on for ages. I don’t suppose we should use a Reddit section for Hawaii gun talk. Gonna be crazy with tons of BS from communists I mean liberals.
You guys can read this post from me right? Haven’t used this app for years either.
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I've thought about standing up another server, but didn't want to be viewed as competing with the "official" HDF forum.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 16, 2022, 07:22:02 AM
Edit test
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 16, 2022, 10:16:29 AM
Message received.I think its not a bad idea. Right now is one example of why it can be good. I am sure many folks will post here and then go to another forum to check and then post there also. We only have the one website for Hawaii-specific discussions right now. Two is one, one is none…
I've thought about standing up another server, but didn't want to be viewed as competing with the "official" HDF forum.
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Post by: pacwire on January 16, 2022, 10:31:35 AM
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 16, 2022, 05:16:43 PM
Hifico is working on discordSorry I don’t understand what you meant. You mean there is a HI guns chat on Discord?
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Post by: pacwire on January 16, 2022, 09:27:09 PM
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Post by: oldfart on January 16, 2022, 10:29:15 PM
I just installed Tapatalk so I could see what was going on.
Is anybody else troubled by the January 6 coincidence?
I'm not the paranoid type....yet
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Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 02:30:37 AM
Hello folks.The forum software seems to be working as well as the database seems to not be corrupted. The issue is that we are getting blank pages served up to us in our browser by the web server. Tapatalk does not rely on the web server to show the pages. Which is why the forum seems to be working with Tapatalk and not from a browser.
I just installed Tapatalk so I could see what was going on.
Is anybody else troubled by the January 6 coincidence?
I'm not the paranoid type....yet
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There can be a myriad of issues causing this such as a missing or corrupted file. Software updates gone bad. Or software updates that are over due and need to be performed. I have even seen someone trying to use non standardized characters cause this issue. Also, the server farm where the server is located could have performed a restore of this account and botched it. There are numerous reasons this can happen. We need to wait and hear from the mods as to what the owner of the forum is going to do. If anything.
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Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 02:34:21 AM
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Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 03:13:31 AM
I don’t want to start conspiracy theories here either. But this version of forum software is vulnerable to injection attacks. A hacker could try this type of attack. But without the server logs we cannot know if this is what happened or not.
The short and most probable answer is that the forum software is out of date and probably just needs to be updated to fix this issue. Just in case this was an attack of some sort a quick restore from a recent backup would also fix this issue.
The bigger picture begs the question as to why it is not being fixed? In the past the owner of the forum has taken a week or so to respond to requests to fix forum issues. So my guess is this is why it has not been fixed yet. So for now all we can do is wait to see what the owner does, if anything.
On a good note, the lights are still on. Meaning the owner is still paying the web hosting account bill. The forum software is still functioning with Tapatalk which means the basic functions are still working.
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Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 05:04:39 AM
Also a file permissions error. I have had web hosting companies do something to my account that changes some file permissions.
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 17, 2022, 11:55:58 AM
Hello folks.Was it Jan 6 when it stopped working? It’s PROBABLY just a coincidence, in this case. In any event, the focus should be on how to get it back working.
I just installed Tapatalk so I could see what was going on.
Is anybody else troubled by the January 6 coincidence?
I'm not the paranoid type....yet
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WHY DID IT STOP WORKING anyway?
Was this due to an upgrade of the forum software? Whether manual or an auto upgrade.
If not then it very likely was a HACK. And the Jan 6 thing becomes more suspicious.
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 17, 2022, 11:57:24 AM
I have done a little digging and it appears the last time the forum software was updated was 2017. So the issue could be as simple as outdated and/or incompatible forum software with the web server software. The quick fix could be the forum software needs to be updated.Actually who is the owner of said site?
I don’t want to start conspiracy theories here either. But this version of forum software is vulnerable to injection attacks. A hacker could try this type of attack. But without the server logs we cannot know if this is what happened or not.
The short and most probable answer is that the forum software is out of date and probably just needs to be updated to fix this issue. Just in case this was an attack of some sort a quick restore from a recent backup would also fix this issue.
The bigger picture begs the question as to why it is not being fixed? In the past the owner of the forum has taken a week or so to respond to requests to fix forum issues. So my guess is this is why it has not been fixed yet. So for now all we can do is wait to see what the owner does, if anything.
On a good note, the lights are still on. Meaning the owner is still paying the web hosting account bill. The forum software is still functioning with Tapatalk which means the basic functions are still working.
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 17, 2022, 12:00:01 PM
I have done a little digging and it appears the last time the forum software was updated was 2017. So the issue could be as simple as outdated and/or incompatible forum software with the web server software. The quick fix could be the forum software needs to be updated.This reminds me. I had previous been a participant of TWO discussion forums. Rather unique types. One was the American Preppers Network. Both suffered catastrophic failure and then the entire community just disappeared. There was no way for everyone to find each other again.
I don’t want to start conspiracy theories here either. But this version of forum software is vulnerable to injection attacks. A hacker could try this type of attack. But without the server logs we cannot know if this is what happened or not.
The short and most probable answer is that the forum software is out of date and probably just needs to be updated to fix this issue. Just in case this was an attack of some sort a quick restore from a recent backup would also fix this issue.
The bigger picture begs the question as to why it is not being fixed? In the past the owner of the forum has taken a week or so to respond to requests to fix forum issues. So my guess is this is why it has not been fixed yet. So for now all we can do is wait to see what the owner does, if anything.
On a good note, the lights are still on. Meaning the owner is still paying the web hosting account bill. The forum software is still functioning with Tapatalk which means the basic functions are still working.
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So, I suggest pronto we establish a backup community place. Maybe on Signal (what’s the group name) or Telegram or another gun website. Absolutely worst case maybe Reddit within a HI guns subsection.
PS - regarding the American Preppers Network, they were never able to restore all the original content and had to move to a new forum site, and it just was not the same again. They had to start with a blank database and just tried to occasionally upload the text of some of the old site which they had backups of, but not able to actually restore the backup.
Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 12:04:30 PM
This reminds me. I had previous been a participant of TWO discussion forums. Rather unique types. One was the American Preppers Network. Both suffered catastrophic failure and then the entire community just disappeared. There was no way for everyone to find each other again.On Signal we are called 2A Hawaii
So, I suggest pronto we establish a backup community place. Maybe on Signal (what’s the group name) or Telegram or another gun website. Absolutely worst case maybe Reddit within a HI guns subsection.
PS - regarding the American Preppers Network, they were never able to restore all the original content and had to move to a new forum site, and it just was not the same again. They had to start with a blank database and just tried to occasionally upload the text of some of the old site which they had backups of, but not able to actually restore the backup.
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Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 12:05:13 PM
Actually who is the owner of said site?I don’t know. Their user name is 2aHawaii on the forum.
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Post by: Inspector on January 17, 2022, 12:06:48 PM
Was it Jan 6 when it stopped working? It’s PROBABLY just a coincidence, in this case. In any event, the focus should be on how to get it back working.The prevailing thought for the reason for it stop working is probably a server side software upgrade that is not backwards compatible with the last upgrade of the forum software from 2017.
WHY DID IT STOP WORKING anyway?
Was this due to an upgrade of the forum software? Whether manual or an auto upgrade.
If not then it very likely was a HACK. And the Jan 6 thing becomes more suspicious.
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Post by: mrgaf on January 17, 2022, 02:16:55 PM
The prevailing thought for the reason for it stop working is probably a server side software upgrade that is not backwards compatible with the last upgrade of the forum software from 2017.In other words if the server side was upgraded and was not backwards compatible then someone had/has their head up their ass!
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 17, 2022, 08:27:33 PM
In other words if the server side was upgraded and was not backwards compatible then someone had/has their head up their ass?
Many times the hosting site upgrades products like Apache webserver, PHP scripting interpreter, or MySql or MariaDB on their servers. These programs affect all the sites hosted on the server.
Even though they send out notices to test your apps to be ready for the changes, many people ignore it until after the site stops working.
I don't know if that happened here, but it does happen often.
Another common thing is sites get migrated to new servers. Sometimes permissions are changed on files, or restores don't run completely.
Could be any of a number of things.
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Post by: rpoL98 on January 17, 2022, 09:58:14 PM
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 17, 2022, 10:42:02 PM
ar15.com has a Hawaii Hometown subforum, not a lot of activity there, though.good to know!
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 17, 2022, 10:42:59 PM
good to know!https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Hawaii/66/
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Post by: Inspector on January 18, 2022, 02:14:53 AM
In the long term I think there might be a plan by someone to possibly build another site. It would mean that all the good data and discussions we have had in the past will no longer be available. But at least people could migrate over to the new site. This same thing happened to the AZ forum I belong to. Old members come back looking for the old site and when they cannot find it they eventually find the new site and register and become active members again.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 18, 2022, 09:34:37 AM
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 18, 2022, 11:51:51 AM
Contact with the owner has been tried. No luck. We all hope the owner is ok.This is not good news. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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What’s our contingency plan folks? We need to assume this site is not going to be fixed going forward, AND that it can stop working ANY TIME.
We need to take action ASAP while we can sorta still communicate with a subset of each other.
The other thing I suggest is we edit the titles of the posts to include USE TAPATALK APP in the front so people browsing from computers can at least see the hint when they look at the recently updated posts.
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Post by: oldfart on January 18, 2022, 01:53:04 PM
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Post by: Funtimes on January 18, 2022, 02:05:35 PM
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Post by: Funtimes on January 18, 2022, 02:07:28 PM
I tried reaching out to 2ahawaii, but only had a brief interaction that didn’t help much lol. I promise people are aware and working towards a solution at this time.
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 18, 2022, 02:43:54 PM
Just to add, I’m not sure what happened to the primary domain. Anyone with knowledge can feel free to reach out to me on facebook or text me 501-800-6877. I’m willing to host any future site since I already pay for hosting for my personal and professional needs (and basically plan to do so until I die lol).So just to clarify, do you mean you reached out and successfully contacted the owner 2aHawaii (in recent days) and he/she responded?
I tried reaching out to 2ahawaii, but only had a brief interaction that didn’t help much lol. I promise people are aware and working towards a solution at this time.
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Post by: Inspector on January 18, 2022, 02:44:00 PM
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 18, 2022, 02:45:21 PM
I have it on good word there is a new domain name and a new forum will be developed. I have no more specifics than this except I know the new domain name.Huh. Weird. Feels a bit suss. Will the new site require more stringent personal identification (using more personally identifiable information) for registration? I hope the new domain name does not dilute the focus on 2nd Amendment rights for something more generic.
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Post by: Inspector on January 18, 2022, 02:47:18 PM
Huh. Weird. Feels a bit suss. Will the new site require more stringent personal identification (using more personally identifiable information) for registration?I have no more specific information (except the new domain name) than what I have already stated.
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Post by: Funtimes on January 18, 2022, 03:03:17 PM
So just to clarify, do you mean you reached out and successfully contacted the owner 2aHawaii (in recent days) and he/she responded?That’s pretty much correct; so long as the number wasn’t catfishing me. They at least knew something about me, but then didn’t respond after the initial response back to me saying hey there was a problem.
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 18, 2022, 03:51:11 PM
That’s pretty much correct; so long as the number wasn’t catfishing me. They at least knew something about me, but then didn’t respond after the initial response back to me saying hey there was a problem.Interesting and gets curiouser and curiouser…
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Post by: Influence on January 18, 2022, 04:42:03 PM
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Post by: passivekinetic on January 18, 2022, 04:44:32 PM
It is fixed!Wow!!!
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Post by: Inspector on January 18, 2022, 04:44:47 PM
Post by: passivekinetic on January 18, 2022, 04:49:17 PM
But for how long?Yup. We still need to come up with a contingency plan, another place to discuss. And make it a habit to also check that place from time to time to contribute posts.
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Post by: rpoL98 on January 18, 2022, 04:52:43 PM
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Post by: Jl808 on January 18, 2022, 05:38:57 PM
I hope all is well with you and yours!
Thank you for intervening once again.
Good job mac, for getting a hold of Funtimes.
Post by: rpoL98 on January 18, 2022, 05:42:48 PM
Post by: macsak on January 18, 2022, 05:52:20 PM
it occurred to me that maybe this was all Karl Roads' doing.
it is not karl rhoades nor any former or current member's action
nor does it have to do with january 6
#noteverythingisaconspiracy
we will try and work out multiple backup plans for the future...
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Post by: Funtimes on January 18, 2022, 06:53:56 PM
Wow hello Funtimes! Long time no see.
I hope all is well with you and yours!
Thank you for intervening once again.
Good job mac, for getting a hold of Funtimes.
Doing really well right now. I'm in my last semester of law school and will be sitting the bar in July of this year. Been doing my own side business, currently still work for the Federal Gov, and have a little one w/ one on the way! I don't know how much anything I did helped, but glad the site is up lol.
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 18, 2022, 07:16:01 PM
it is not karl rhoades nor any former or current member's action
nor does it have to do with january 6
#noteverythingisaconspiracy
we will try and work out multiple backup plans for the future...
As a non-tech savvy computer moron where the best I can do is stare blankly at the "Page not Working" you can imagine what I was thinking.
I even thought I was banned for some infraction or something I posted, lol!
Every day that I saw the "page not working" I muttered what da hell did I do.....Then I researched what http 500 error meant and then I figured oh shit, a liberal gun control maniac hacked the site.
Anyway, I'm glad the site is up and running again. Thank you to all who made it happen. :shaka:
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Post by: mrgaf on January 18, 2022, 08:11:41 PM
As a non-tech savvy computer moron where the best I can do is stare blankly at the "Page not Working" you can imagine what I was thinking.
I even thought I was banned for some infraction or something I posted, lol!
Every day that I saw the "page not working" I muttered what da hell did I do.....Then I researched what http 500 error meant and then I figured oh shit, a liberal gun control maniac hacked the site.
Anyway, I'm glad the site is up and running again. Thank you to all who made it happen. :shaka:
Ditto! :thumbsup:
Post by: Platinum808 on January 18, 2022, 08:19:29 PM
:shaka:
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Post by: hvybarrels on January 18, 2022, 10:56:23 PM
We are back up. Thank God! :shaka:
Yes thank the gods. And Mac and Chris
Post by: Funtimes on January 18, 2022, 11:01:06 PM
Yes thank the gods. And Mac and Chris
Pretty sure I didn’t do anything lol. I sent a text or two and not sure if that really worked :). Just happy it’s back up. Now I can focus on school again.
Post by: Inspector on January 19, 2022, 02:21:23 AM
Post by: macsak on January 19, 2022, 05:26:18 AM
Pretty sure I didn’t do anything lol. I sent a text or two and not sure if that really worked :). Just happy it’s back up. Now I can focus on school again.
#metoo
all i did was contact chris
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Post by: Rocky on January 19, 2022, 02:37:42 PM
Doing really well right now. I'm in my last semester of law school and will be sitting the bar in July of this year. Been doing my own side business, currently still work for the Federal Gov, and have a little one w/ one on the way! I don't know how much anything I did helped, but glad the site is up lol.Congrats on the new 2a members.
Will be nice having you on SCOTUS soon. :D