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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2022, 11:05:37 AM

Title: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2022, 11:05:37 AM
I get a Safety Report from Ring every week.

They categorize the included police reports as "Crime," "Safety" and "Animal."

Under "Crime," they have "Violent" and "Non-Violent."

Examples of Crimes reported:

- Arrest: Assault, Family
- Assault 2
- Terroristic Threatening
- Bank Robbery: Man passed a note to teller demanding money

The first 3 are in the category "Non-violent."

The man passing a note to a bank teller and leaving with the loot was classified "Violent."

So, in Hawaii, ASSAULT is NON-VIOLENT, but a note passed to a bank teller is VIOLENT.

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Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: Stack_Xchange on November 15, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
Probably because "assault" doesn't necessarily mean there was a medium of physical exchange, whereas "robbery" is considered a violent crime in terms of UCR and "theft" is not.
Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 15, 2022, 11:46:57 AM
IIRC assault 2 is no longer a conviction where you lose your 2a right in HI. Thanks to HIFICO.

I never witnessed or heard of 2nd hand cops miscategorizing charges, but I assume it happens and not because of human error, but because I have experience with cops trying not to make a police report.  As in trying to persuade the victim to not file one.
Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: groveler on November 15, 2022, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: changemyoil66 on November 15, 2022, 11:46:57 AM
IIRC assault 2 is no longer a conviction where you lose your 2a right in HI. Thanks to HIFICO.

I never witnessed or heard of 2nd hand cops miscategorizing charges, but I assume it happens and not because of human error, but because I have experience with cops trying not to make a police report.  As in trying to persuade the victim to not file one.
"I have experience with cops trying not to make a police report.  As in trying to persuade the victim to not file one."

I'll get flamed fro this but you are correct.
Main reason is they don't want to "Bust" a cousin, or uncle.
Some people say Hawaiians aren't tribal, but they sure act like it.
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Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
Where are the categories for:

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Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: ren on November 15, 2022, 03:30:09 PM
maybe the bank robber mis gendered the bank teller?
Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: hvybarrels on November 15, 2022, 04:28:02 PM
Banks are important

You and me not so much
Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
3rd circuit Range vs. Garland made a ruling. They upheld banning non-violent felons from possessing guns. And used the reasoning that blacks, native americans, and  servants were not allowed to own guns in the colonial days.
Title: Re: Is Hawaii Crime being Mis-categorized?
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 26, 2022, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: groveler on November 15, 2022, 01:50:42 PM
"I have experience with cops trying not to make a police report.  As in trying to persuade the victim to not file one."

I'll get flamed fro this but you are correct.
Main reason is they don't want to "Bust" a cousin, or uncle.
Some people say Hawaiians aren't tribal, but they sure act like it.
 :wacko:

I would second your observation but I think the main reason is usually just laziness. They don't want to type and investigate.