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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: hvybarrels on November 22, 2022, 10:38:40 PM
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Anybody else notice unusual amounts of family, friends, and associates getting sick or dropping dead for mysterious unexplained reasons?
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https://emeralddb3.substack.com/https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/covid-2022-here-comes-the-big-kill
Heart attacks, strokes, repeat infections, turbo cancer….
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Anybody else notice unusual amounts of family, friends, and associates getting sick or dropping dead for mysterious unexplained reasons?
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Most smart people I know did not get an experimental shot.
The ones that did get shots, who knows? World is better off without Democrats.
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you not gonna post the link to the movie?
Anybody else notice unusual amounts of family, friends, and associates getting sick or dropping dead for mysterious unexplained reasons?
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I spent 10 days in Hilo Medical Center after the booster shot.Taken a long time to recover.Long term??? Thanks Hilo Medical staff :shaka:
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Somehow related to that Reset thing I see mentioned?
That and having starving people eat bugs?
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you not gonna post the link to the movie?
I’m not 100% about the movie. So many psyops out there with poison pills embedded to discredit legitimate criticism.
Then again Chuck Schumer just validated the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, so who knows.
The idea that the elites would replace a skilled workforce with religious fundamentalist bean pickers and actually think it’s going to work out for them seems stupid enough to be plausible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V0ErnunR9s
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Ever notice that when you buy certain kind of car, suddenly you see that kind of car everywhere?
It’s because you’ve been primed to notice them. They’ve been there all along.
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Ever notice that when you buy certain kind of car, suddenly you see that kind of car everywhere?
It’s because you’ve been primed to notice them. They’ve been there all along.
Okay if you’re going to gaslight then I’m going to post the link to the movie DIED SUDDENLY
7.3 million views so far
Cat is out of the bag, and pretty soon some health authorities are going to be in prison or running for their lives
https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
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Growing proportion of COVID
deaths occur among vaccinated: analysis
https://youtu.be/LVKSBHhGmDc
WTF: Vaccinated Are Now The Majority of COVID Deaths
https://youtu.be/ezqyVz72mCk
58% based on an August analysis
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Growing proportion of COVID
deaths occur among vaccinated: analysis
https://youtu.be/LVKSBHhGmDc
WTF: Vaccinated Are Now The Majority of COVID Deaths
https://youtu.be/ezqyVz72mCk
58% based on an August analysis
That’s absolutely to be expected.
COVID starts, nobody is vaccinated; therefore, 100% of COVID deaths are among the unvaccinated, and 0% are among the vaccinated.
Fast forward to when 80% of the population is vaccinated… Even if you are LESS likely to die from COVID than an unvaccinated person, it’s to be expected that a higher percentage of COVID deaths will come from the vaccinated population, because the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated.
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Okay if you’re going to gaslight then I’m going to post the link to the movie DIED SUDDENLY
7.3 million views so far
Cat is out of the bag, and pretty soon some health authorities are going to be in prison or running for their lives
https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
Rather than post a link to a movie, can you give me some comparative numbers for sudden, unexpected deaths from pre-vaccine and post-vaccine years?
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Cat is out of the bag, and pretty soon some health authorities are going to be in prison or running for their lives
https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
That was pretty heavy food for thought.
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Rather than post a link to a movie, can you give me some comparative numbers for sudden, unexpected deaths from pre-vaccine and post-vaccine years?
Just as soon as you watch the movie and let me know what you think
I’ll even post it again so it’s easy to find
https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
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That’s absolutely to be expected.
COVID starts, nobody is vaccinated; therefore, 100% of COVID deaths are among the unvaccinated, and 0% are among the vaccinated.
Fast forward to when 80% of the population is vaccinated… Even if you are LESS likely to die from COVID than an unvaccinated person, it’s to be expected that a higher percentage of COVID deaths will come from the vaccinated population, because the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated.
If you watch the videos I linked, you'll see where the promise was NOT that the vaccine made you less likely to die. The promise was that it would PREVENT contracting, transmission and death from COVID.
What they marketed then and what the narrative is now are not the same.
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Just as soon as you watch the movie and let me know what you think
I’ll even post it again so it’s easy to find
https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
Watched it. My thoughts? First thought is that I’d like to have that hour of my life back. Moderately entertaining, but with no actual evidentiary value. Long on unverifiable anecdotes and feelings, short on actual data and analysis.
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If you watch the videos I linked, you'll see where the promise was NOT that the vaccine made you less likely to die. The promise was that it would PREVENT contracting, transmission and death from COVID.
What they marketed then and what the narrative is now are not the same.
So as they got more data on how the vaccine worked in the real world, they adjusted what they said about it to match the data they collected? Sounds… responsible.
And still doesn’t change my point that it’s almost inevitable that as more people get vaccinated, the proportion of COVID-19 deaths in vaccinated people as a fraction of total COVID-19 deaths will increase. I bet the majority of people who die in car accidents today were wearing a seatbelt; I also bet the same was not true in 1970… because far fewer people wore seatbelts back then.
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So as they got more data on how the vaccine worked in the real world, they adjusted what they said about it to match the data they collected? Sounds… responsible.
And still doesn’t change my point that it’s almost inevitable that as more people get vaccinated, the proportion of COVID-19 deaths in vaccinated people as a fraction of total COVID-19 deaths will increase. I bet the majority of people who die in car accidents today were wearing a seatbelt; I also bet the same was not true in 1970… because far fewer people wore seatbelts back then.
First of all: "Nope." You're just pulling that seatbelt "stat" out of your butt.
More than half (range: 51%-60%) of teens (13-19 years) and adults aged 20-44 years who died
in crashes in 2018 were not buckled up at the time of the crash.2
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/seatbelts/facts.html
I guess you lost that bet, huh?
The point is, they made extraordinary claims BEFORE THE DATA WAS AVAILABLE.
That was not only dishonest, but unethical.
Saying they "didn't have all the data then" is making excuses for their obvious push to get everyone vaccinated -- and only afterwaard did they try to see if there are any negative effects.
I bet the majority of people who die in car accidents weren't told that seatbelts have a 94% efficacy rate like they told us about the vaccines, mainly because the 2018 stats above show it's more like 51%-60%.
Funny how the amount of lies they tell diminish when the amount of actual data available increases. The rush to "sell" the public on the vaccine was based on incomplete data and a lack of ethics. It was purely political with a heavy dose of fear-mongering.
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and people are still wearing masks...alone in a car...alone outside...
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First of all: "Nope." You're just pulling that seatbelt "stat" out of your butt.
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/seatbelts/facts.html
I guess you lost that bet, huh?
The point is, they made extraordinary claims BEFORE THE DATA WAS AVAILABLE.
That was not only dishonest, but unethical.
Saying they "didn't have all the data then" is making excuses for their obvious push to get everyone vaccinated -- and only afterwaard did they try to see if there are any negative effects.
I bet the majority of people who die in car accidents weren't told that seatbelts have a 94% efficacy rate like they told us about the vaccines, mainly because the 2018 stats above show it's more like 51%-60%.
Funny how the amount of lies they tell diminish when the amount of actual data available increases. The rush to "sell" the public on the vaccine was based on incomplete data and a lack of ethics. It was purely political with a heavy dose of fear-mongering.
Seatbelt point taken; a better way for me to have communicated the point would have been to say that if you compared the percentage of people fatally injured in traffic accidents who were wearing seatbelts in 1970 to the percentage of people fatally injured in traffic accidents who were wearing seatbelts today, today’s percentage would likely be higher. But I don’t have those numbers, so can’t say for sure.
About the vaccine, did you watch the videos you posted? The one from ABC7 didn’t say anything about the vaccinated population accounting for a growing proportion of COVID deaths; that’s just in the headline. In the second video, the guy even makes the same point I’m making, and goes on to say “but they said it would be perfect, and it wasn’t perfect!” And shows some clips of Dr. Fauci saying something that I believe has borne out to be true… the vaccine has been extremely effective at preventing serious disease and death, if you kept up with boosters for the emerging variants. I don’t recall anyone ever saying it would be 100% effective in preventing illness, transmission, or death.
Was there some political motivation? Sure. Was it “purely” political? I don’t believe so; there was a new, dangerous disease circulating, and I believe a lot of public spirited folks were doing the best they could to get people to take steps to reduce the risk. Some of them probably stretched the truth, which is inexcusable, but I believe the vast majority were doing the best they could with incomplete data and a politically divided population. Was it a government-wide conspiracy to get nano-bots into your bloodstream so the 5G towers could transmit Bill Gates’s instructions? No.
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Seatbelt point taken; a better way for me to have communicated the point would have been to say that if you compared the percentage of people fatally injured in traffic accidents who were wearing seatbelts in 1970 to the percentage of people fatally injured in traffic accidents who were wearing seatbelts today, today’s percentage would likely be higher. But I don’t have those numbers, so can’t say for sure.
About the vaccine, did you watch the videos you posted? The one from ABC7 didn’t say anything about the vaccinated population accounting for a growing proportion of COVID deaths; that’s just in the headline. In the second video, the guy even makes the same point I’m making, and goes on to say “but they said it would be perfect, and it wasn’t perfect!” And shows some clips of Dr. Fauci saying something that I believe has borne out to be true… the vaccine has been extremely effective at preventing serious disease and death, if you kept up with boosters for the emerging variants. I don’t recall anyone ever saying it would be 100% effective in preventing illness, transmission, or death.
Was there some political motivation? Sure. Was it “purely” political? I don’t believe so; there was a new, dangerous disease circulating, and I believe a lot of public spirited folks were doing the best they could to get people to take steps to reduce the risk. Some of them probably stretched the truth, which is inexcusable, but I believe the vast majority were doing the best they could with incomplete data and a politically divided population. Was it a government-wide conspiracy to get nano-bots into your bloodstream so the 5G towers could transmit Bill Gates’s instructions? No.
TDS caused the Science to take a back seat to politics. Biden himself took his first COVID vaccine in December 2020, and then later claimed the vaccine wasn't available until after he became president -- trying to take credit when the facts prove he's lying.
So, yes -- politics. I remember many in the media and entertainment saying they refused to subject their health to a vaccine that was "rushed to market" under President Trump. Three months later, they were all on the "Get the Shot" bandwagon under Biden -- same vaccine, different frontman.
Then it became another game of "basket of deplorables," only this time with "vaccine deniers". Anyone who questioned the safety of the vaccine was labeled a Right-wing nut job who's trying to kill other people. Of course, they didn't stop to realize that if the vaccine worked as advertised, there was no need to fear unvaccinated people. :crazy:
Then came the booster goat rope. You need one in 6 months, maybe another in a year. Then it was 2 in six months. Then it was a booster every 3-6 months in perpetuity, because it doesn't create the same level of protection against infections. It MAY (not will) help prevent COVID deaths in those most vulnerable (elderly, obese, chronically ill), but again, they ignored factors like natural immunity and the degree of harm the vaccine might be doing to otherwise healthy people.
I haven't had the vaccine or any boosters. My younger daughter did, and she's had some pretty lousy side effects, Three months after the vaccine, she contracted the virus and was out of commission for 2-3 weeks ... too sick to function. She's 33 and a healthy weight. No underlying medical issues. She doesn't see how the vaccine helped her at all.
Anyway, the point is, the government lied to the nation -- and the world -- about the vaccine's efficacy, safety and how often boosters are needed. Did they lie because they just didn't know (and knew they didn't know), or did they lie because they knew the truth and hid it? Does that matter? They lied either way.
Honesty would have been to say how much was uncertain and let the individual choose along with their doctor's advice. That's not what happened.
This has been beaten to death in the COVID threads.
I'm done.
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Watched it. My thoughts? First thought is that I’d like to have that hour of my life back. Moderately entertaining, but with no actual evidentiary value. Long on unverifiable anecdotes and feelings, short on actual data and analysis.
So in other words you didn’t watch it
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TDS caused the Science to take a back seat to politics. Biden himself took his first COVID vaccine in December 2020, and then later claimed the vaccine wasn't available until after he became president -- trying to take credit when the facts prove he's lying.
So, yes -- politics. I remember many in the media and entertainment saying they refused to subject their health to a vaccine that was "rushed to market" under President Trump. Three months later, they were all on the "Get the Shot" bandwagon under Biden -- same vaccine, different frontman.
Then it became another game of "basket of deplorables," only this time with "vaccine deniers". Anyone who questioned the safety of the vaccine was labeled a Right-wing nut job who's trying to kill other people. Of course, they didn't stop to realize that if the vaccine worked as advertised, there was no need to fear unvaccinated people. :crazy:
Then came the booster goat rope. You need one in 6 months, maybe another in a year. Then it was 2 in six months. Then it was a booster every 3-6 months in perpetuity, because it doesn't create the same level of protection against infections. It MAY (not will) help prevent COVID deaths in those most vulnerable (elderly, obese, chronically ill), but again, they ignored factors like natural immunity and the degree of harm the vaccine might be doing to otherwise healthy people.
I haven't had the vaccine or any boosters. My younger daughter did, and she's had some pretty lousy side effects, Three months after the vaccine, she contracted the virus and was out of commission for 2-3 weeks ... too sick to function. She's 33 and a healthy weight. No underlying medical issues. She doesn't see how the vaccine helped her at all.
Anyway, the point is, the government lied to the nation -- and the world -- about the vaccine's efficacy, safety and how often boosters are needed. Did they lie because they just didn't know (and knew they didn't know), or did they lie because they knew the truth and hid it? Does that matter? They lied either way.
Honesty would have been to say how much was uncertain and let the individual choose along with their doctor's advice. That's not what happened.
This has been beaten to death in the COVID threads.
I'm done.
I don’t really disagree with anything you said until the end…. “Lying” requires knowing what you’re saying is untrue. IF they didn’t know all of the specifics of how the vaccine would work and whether/when you’d need boosters to keep up with a rapidly mutating virus, that’s not lying, it’s being mistaken. In my experience, the scientists were pretty careful about using appropriate language… “Is likely to” or “will probably” or “may result in.” Politicians and pundits weren’t so careful, and that’s what led to a lot of this back and forth and actual, real, misinformation taking root in people’s minds. Did some people lie? Probably, and that’s wrong, regardless of the motivation. Is the vaccine part of some nefarious plot to kill off a significant portion of the world population (which seems to be the original point of this thread, as evidenced by the rumble movie linked above)? I haven’t seen any real evidence of that.
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So in other words you didn’t watch it
Unfortunately, I DID watch it, from title to end credits. Not sure how I can prove it to you except to say that it focused primarily on embalmers without other formal medical training, included a couple of people they said were “Army flight surgeons,” referred to a military medical database called “DMED” that they claim was taken down (it’s online right now), and that they misrepresented what VAERS data means like so many people do in this conversation. Is that enough proof that I watched it?
Your turn; you said if I watched it (I did) and gave you my thoughts (also did), you’d post some numbers comparing sudden unexpected deaths between pre-vaccine years and post-vaccine years.
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incorrect
dr fauxi, who claims to represent "the science" (tm) stated unequivocally multiple times, and did not use appropriate language...
I don’t really disagree with anything you said until the end…. “Lying” requires knowing what you’re saying is untrue. IF they didn’t know all of the specifics of how the vaccine would work and whether/when you’d need boosters to keep up with a rapidly mutating virus, that’s not lying, it’s being mistaken. In my experience, the scientists were pretty careful about using appropriate language… “Is likely to” or “will probably” or “may result in.” Politicians and pundits weren’t so careful, and that’s what led to a lot of this back and forth and actual, real, misinformation taking root in people’s minds. Did some people lie? Probably, and that’s wrong, regardless of the motivation. Is the vaccine part of some nefarious plot to kill off a significant portion of the world population (which seems to be the original point of this thread, as evidenced by the rumble movie linked above)? I haven’t seen any real evidence of that.
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incorrect
dr fauxi, who claims to represent "the science" stated unequivocally multiple times, and did not use appropriate language...
Can you point me to a statement like that? I’m not familiar with any.
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the latest compilation that i have handy
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1561852063830646786
there are more...
Can you point me to a statement like that? I’m not familiar with any.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPq44zOHLic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw
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I don’t really disagree with anything you said until the end…. “Lying” requires knowing what you’re saying is untrue. IF they didn’t know all of the specifics of how the vaccine would work and whether/when you’d need boosters to keep up with a rapidly mutating virus, that’s not lying, it’s being mistaken. In my experience, the scientists were pretty careful about using appropriate language… “Is likely to” or “will probably” or “may result in.” Politicians and pundits weren’t so careful, and that’s what led to a lot of this back and forth and actual, real, misinformation taking root in people’s minds. Did some people lie? Probably, and that’s wrong, regardless of the motivation. Is the vaccine part of some nefarious plot to kill off a significant portion of the world population (which seems to be the original point of this thread, as evidenced by the rumble movie linked above)? I haven’t seen any real evidence of that.
I may not know if what i stated is true or false, however I do know I'm making a claim that I can't support with any facts.
You don't have to knowingly make false claims to be lying. You can make claims YOU HAVE NO IDEA as to their truthfulness, but you're presenting them as if they are true nonetheless.
Making claims you can't prove can, and do, lead to very serious consequences.
"Take this. It'll cure your cancer."
"What is it?"
"It's my secret formula. Take this, and you don't need to pay for chemo."
Do I know it WON'T cure cancer? How? Probably never been a study -- kinda like the COVID vaccine when it was rolled out.
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If you watch the videos I linked, you'll see where the promise was NOT that the vaccine made you less likely to die. The promise was that it would PREVENT contracting, transmission and death from COVID.
What they marketed then and what the narrative is now are not the same.
I had many friends/coworkers/family call me crazy anti vaxxer.
Guess whos getting the last laugh.
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I had many friends/coworkers/family call me crazy anti vaxxer.
Guess whos getting the last laugh.
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It’s strange out there surfing with just a handful of older guys. Most spots always seemed to have a pack of uncles talking story out back but now most of the faces are under 30.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPq44zOHLic
I didn’t hear Dr. Fauci make any categorical statements about the efficacy of vaccines or any other mitigation measures in that video… and, for the record, Dr. Fauci did not shut down the country. He doesn’t have that authority. He advised implementing measures to shut down, and then governmental executives made the decisions.
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the first compilation he made multiple categorical statements about masks...
I didn’t hear Dr. Fauci make any categorical statements about the efficacy of vaccines or any other mitigation measures in that video… and, for the record, Dr. Fauci did not shut down the country. He doesn’t have that authority. He advised implementing measures to shut down, and then governmental executives made the decisions.
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and the last video he made multiple about vaccination...
the first compilation he made multiple categorical statements about masks...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw
I heard one thing that could be construed as a categorical statement… “If you’re vaccinated, you’re safe; if you’re not vaccinated, you’re at risk.” Probably an oversimplification, but hardly proof that he promised anyone that they’d have a zero percent chance of contracting COVID if they got vaccinated. That’s a bit of a stretch.
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the latest compilation that i have handy
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1561852063830646786
there are more...
And also failed to see where he made any categorical promises or claims about mask effectiveness here.
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if you get a base hit, and the ump calls you safe, is there zero chance on that same play that you are out?
sounds categorical to me
if he said "you may be safe" it would be not categorical...
I heard one thing that could be construed as a categorical statement… “If you’re vaccinated, you’re safe; if you’re not vaccinated, you’re at risk.” Probably an oversimplification, but hardly proof that he promised anyone that they’d have a zero percent chance of contracting COVID if they got vaccinated. That’s a bit of a stretch.
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And also failed to see where he made any categorical promises or claims about mask effectiveness here.
"masks are protective"
"there is no indication that masks have any deleterious effects"
"you do no need to wear a mask indoors if in fact you have been vaccinated"
"if you are vaccinated, you are fully protected, and you do not need to wear a mask outdoors or indoors"
and that's only the first minute...
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"masks are protective"
"there is no indication that masks have any deleterious effects"
"you do no need to wear a mask indoors if in fact you have been vaccinated"
"if you are vaccinated, you are fully protected, and you do not need to wear a mask outdoors or indoors"
and that's only the first minute...
Masks ARE protective. They afford protection. I didn’t hear him say they were perfectly 100% effective, and that if you wore a mask you had zero chance of contracting or spreading the virus.
None of those other statements make a categorical claim about the effectiveness of either masks or vaccines. That video is just a compilation of him saying things that may be contradictory, like maybe he changed his message after getting more data on how the virus spreads and how effective the vaccines are over time.
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if you get a base hit, and the ump calls you safe, is there zero chance on that same play that you are out?
sounds categorical to me
if he said "you may be safe" it would be not categorical...
“Safe” in baseball is a binary state… You’re either “safe” or you’re “out,” no degrees in between.
“Safe” with respect to COVID is a continuum. Wearing a mask is likely to make you safer than not wearing a mask. Getting vaccinated is likely to make you safer than not getting vaccinated. Neither is a 100% guarantee against all infection, illness, or spread, and I still haven’t seen where he said it was.
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Masks ARE protective. They afford protection. I didn’t hear him say they were perfectly 100% effective, and that if you wore a mask you had zero chance of contracting or spreading the virus.
None of those other statements make a categorical claim about the effectiveness of either masks or vaccines. That video is just a compilation of him saying things that may be contradictory, like maybe he changed his message after getting more data on how the virus spreads and how effective the vaccines are over time.
"fully protected" is not a categorical claim of effectiveness???
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then why didn't he say "realtively safe"???
or "safer"???
“Safe” in baseball is a binary state… You’re either “safe” or you’re “out,” no degrees in between.
“Safe” with respect to COVID is a continuum. Wearing a mask is likely to make you safer than not wearing a mask. Getting vaccinated is likely to make you safer than not getting vaccinated. Neither is a 100% guarantee against all infection, illness, or spread, and I still haven’t seen where he said it was.
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Be safe out there folks , that’s all I gotta say 🤙🏽
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the covid czar, dr jha, stated this week that we would eliminate all covid deaths if everyone got the bivalent booster...
I don’t really disagree with anything you said until the end…. “Lying” requires knowing what you’re saying is untrue. IF they didn’t know all of the specifics of how the vaccine would work and whether/when you’d need boosters to keep up with a rapidly mutating virus, that’s not lying, it’s being mistaken. In my experience, the scientists were pretty careful about using appropriate language… “Is likely to” or “will probably” or “may result in.” Politicians and pundits weren’t so careful, and that’s what led to a lot of this back and forth and actual, real, misinformation taking root in people’s minds. Did some people lie? Probably, and that’s wrong, regardless of the motivation. Is the vaccine part of some nefarious plot to kill off a significant portion of the world population (which seems to be the original point of this thread, as evidenced by the rumble movie linked above)? I haven’t seen any real evidence of that.
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the covid czar, dr jha, stated this week that we would eliminate all covid deaths if everyone got the bivalent booster...
Link? Because the quote I found says “‘If you are up to date with your vaccines and if you get treated if you have a breakthrough infection, your risk of dying from Covid is now close to zero,’ Jha said.” (CNBC)
Where did you find that he said we could eliminate ALL COVID deaths?
And this is really a digression from the start of the thread, which seems to imply that there’s some vast increase in young people dying unexpectedly since the vaccine rollout. I have yet to see that claim backed up with any data.
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Goalpost Hustlers be all like…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzMs2SN--s
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https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/sins-of-information-warfare
Great post by Robert Malone on the ethical lapses in the Died Suddenly movie.
The Real Anthony Fauci was a superior product in every way.
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Goalpost Hustlers be all like…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzMs2SN--s
Still waiting for any data about an increase in sudden, unexpected deaths since the vaccine rollout…
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Still waiting for any data about an increase in sudden, unexpected deaths since the vaccine rollout…
Our public health numbers are so manipulated they are basically garbage, kinda like the military trying to pretending they don’t have a staffing/Tricare crisis
The best place to go for data is the insurance industry because ultimately they have to either dump the liability back on big pharma or go bankrupt.
When 2022 stats come out is probably when the heads start to roll. Good luck getting a life insurance policy if you got stuck.
https://firstfactcheck.substack.com/p/claim-deaths-of-all-causes-increasing
Scott Davison CEO of OneAmerica, said deaths were up 40% among working aged people in 2021
Scott Davison, the CEO of OneAmerica, a $100 billion insurance company based in Indianapolis since 1877, said in an online news conference on December 30, 2021 that deaths were up 40% among working aged people since the pandemic began.
“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have ever seen in the history of this business; not just at OneAmerica. The data is consistent across every player in that business. Now this is primarily working-age people 18 to 64, in the employers on the screen here. And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said. “Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic. So 40% is just unheard of. And what the data’s showing us is that the deaths being reported as Covid deaths are just a fraction of showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”
He said at the same time, the company is seeing an “uptick” in disability claims, saying at first it was short-term disability claims, and now the increase is in long-term disability claims.
“For OneAmerica, we expect the costs of this are going to be well over $100 million, and this is our smallest business. So it’s having a huge impact on that,” he said.
A 3-sigma (standard deviation) catastrophe would be a 10% increase; apparently 40% represents a 12-sigma catastrophe. An extremely unlikely event.
These extra deaths began after Covid vaccination began in mid-December 2020, with the first Pfizer shots.
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Our public health numbers are so manipulated they are basically garbage, kinda like the military trying to pretending they don’t have a staffing/Tricare crisis
The best place to go for data is the insurance industry because ultimately they have to either dump the liability back on big pharma or go bankrupt.
When 2022 stats come out is probably when the heads start to roll. Good luck getting a life insurance policy if you got stuck.
https://firstfactcheck.substack.com/p/claim-deaths-of-all-causes-increasing
Classic tactic. “Government numbers can’t be trusted, but my feelings backed up by random anecdotes are the rock solid truth.” One insurance guy says all-cause morbidity is up… during a pandemic. When you can show actual numbers for sudden, unexpected deaths in 18-50 year-olds, that would be of interest and worth talking about.
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still waiting for an answer- "fully protected" is not a categorical claim of effectiveness???
Still waiting for any data about an increase in sudden, unexpected deaths since the vaccine rollout…
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still waiting for an answer- "fully protected" is not a categorical claim of effectiveness???
Sure, that sounds sort of categorical. I think that was an unfortunate choice of words for him to use, but in context, I get what he was saying. Implying that one statement was telling people that vaccines were 100% protection against infection, illness, hospitalization, and/or death is, again, a bit of a stretch.
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Classic tactic. “Government numbers can’t be trusted, but my feelings backed up by random anecdotes are the rock solid truth.” One insurance guy says all-cause morbidity is up… during a pandemic. When you can show actual numbers for sudden, unexpected deaths in 18-50 year-olds, that would be of interest and worth talking about.
How about you show me some numbers that back up your assertion that insurance guy is wrong?
Here’s 25 minutes of people collapsing and dying after jab injuries while we wait
https://rumble.com/v1wuzkm-daunting-compilation-of-athletes-collapsing-and-dying-from-the-covid-vax-dy.html
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"sort of"???
Sure, that sounds sort of categorical. I think that was an unfortunate choice of words for him to use, but in context, I get what he was saying. Implying that one statement was telling people that vaccines were 100% protection against infection, illness, hospitalization, and/or death is, again, a bit of a stretch.
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Sure, that sounds sort of categorical. I think that was an unfortunate choice of words for him to use, but in context, I get what he was saying. Implying that one statement was telling people that vaccines were 100% protection against infection, illness, hospitalization, and/or death is, again, a bit of a stretch.
that sounds like "my feelings backed up by random anecdotes are the rock solid truth."
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Link? Because the quote I found says “‘If you are up to date with your vaccines and if you get treated if you have a breakthrough infection, your risk of dying from Covid is now close to zero,’ Jha said.” (CNBC)
Where did you find that he said we could eliminate ALL COVID deaths?
And this is really a digression from the start of the thread, which seems to imply that there’s some vast increase in young people dying unexpectedly since the vaccine rollout. I have yet to see that claim backed up with any data.
Do we have to walk you through it?
Concept #1: If you are up to date with your vaccines and if you get treated if you have a breakthrough infection, your risk of dying from Covid is now close to zero
That's the statement YOU Googled. For all intents and purposed, the risk appears to be so small, it's not even given in the quote.
Concept #2: ...we would eliminate all covid deaths if everyone got the bivalent booster
That's the paraphrased comment you're arguing against being real because nobody spoon-fed you a link.
How, exactly, is a near-zero death rate from Covid (caveats included) any different from "we would eliminate all covid deaths" with almost the same caveats?
The context for both are almost identical sans the treatment mentioned in one vs. the other. One might argue that "near zero" is not identical to "eliminate all" -- meaning the number zero. However, to have a death rate expressed in terms of "near zero" gives the impression of a less than 1% risk . It is insignificant.
You're arguing about a health professional's comments that the Covid death rate is near zero, saying that's not the same as eliminating all covid deaths.
Is this really the massive forum debate victory you imagine it to be?
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no
he was right
i was wrong...
Do we have to walk you through it?
Concept #1: If you are up to date with your vaccines and if you get treated if you have a breakthrough infection, your risk of dying from Covid is now close to zero
That's the statement YOU Googled. For all intents and purposed, the risk appears to be so small, it's not even given in the quote.
Concept #2: ...we would eliminate all covid deaths if everyone got the bivalent booster
That's the paraphrased comment you're arguing against being real because nobody spoon-fed you a link.
How, exactly, is a near-zero death rate from Covid (caveats included) any different from "we would eliminate all covid deaths" with almost the same caveats?
The context for both are almost identical sans the treatment mentioned in one vs. the other. One might argue that "near zero" is not identical to "eliminate all" -- meaning the number zero. However, to have a death rate expressed in terms of "near zero" gives the impression of a less than 1% risk . It is insignificant.
You're arguing about a health professional's comments that the Covid death rate is near zero, saying that's not the same as eliminating all covid deaths.
Is this really the massive forum debate victory you imagine it to be?
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Do we have to walk you through it?
Concept #1: If you are up to date with your vaccines and if you get treated if you have a breakthrough infection, your risk of dying from Covid is now close to zero
That's the statement YOU Googled. For all intents and purposed, the risk appears to be so small, it's not even given in the quote.
Concept #2: ...we would eliminate all covid deaths if everyone got the bivalent booster
That's the paraphrased comment you're arguing against being real because nobody spoon-fed you a link.
How, exactly, is a near-zero death rate from Covid (caveats included) any different from "we would eliminate all covid deaths" with almost the same caveats?
The context for both are almost identical sans the treatment mentioned in one vs. the other. One might argue that "near zero" is not identical to "eliminate all" -- meaning the number zero. However, to have a death rate expressed in terms of "near zero" gives the impression of a less than 1% risk . It is insignificant.
You're arguing about a health professional's comments that the Covid death rate is near zero, saying that's not the same as eliminating all covid deaths.
Is this really the massive forum debate victory you imagine it to be?
You don’t have to walk me through anything. The concepts that if you’re up to date on vaccines you have almost zero chance of dying from COVID, and the bivalent booster can eliminate all COVID deaths are significantly different.
And I’ll say once again… this whole digression is a distraction from the original idea of the thread, which is that the vaccines are a plot to cause a mass die-off of humans… a concept for which I still have seen no actual data to back it up.
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You don’t have to walk me through anything. The concepts that if you’re up to date on vaccines you have almost zero chance of dying from COVID, and the bivalent booster can eliminate all COVID deaths are significantly different.
And I’ll say once again… this whole digression is a distraction from the original idea of the thread, which is that the vaccines are a plot to cause a mass die-off of humans… a concept for which I still have seen no actual data to back it up.
No the point of the thread was to point out that we are in the beginning stages of a mass die off already, most likely due to greed, corruption and stupidity.
There’s evidence of a sinister plot, but nothing has been proven yet
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also, remember that is a CEO in a quarterly report
a CEO cannot make materially false statements on a quarterly report without coming under SEC investigation
multiple US insurance CEOs have made similar claims over a couple of quarters
and insurance CEOs in several countries have also issued similar reports...
Our public health numbers are so manipulated they are basically garbage, kinda like the military trying to pretending they don’t have a staffing/Tricare crisis
The best place to go for data is the insurance industry because ultimately they have to either dump the liability back on big pharma or go bankrupt.
When 2022 stats come out is probably when the heads start to roll. Good luck getting a life insurance policy if you got stuck.
https://firstfactcheck.substack.com/p/claim-deaths-of-all-causes-increasing
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actually, he was talking about being up to date AND receiving treatment (paxlovid)...
You don’t have to walk me through anything. The concepts that if you’re up to date on vaccines you have almost zero chance of dying from COVID, and the bivalent booster can eliminate all COVID deaths are significantly different.
And I’ll say once again… this whole digression is a distraction from the original idea of the thread, which is that the vaccines are a plot to cause a mass die-off of humans… a concept for which I still have seen no actual data to back it up.
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You don’t have to walk me through anything. The concepts that if you’re up to date on vaccines you have almost zero chance of dying from COVID, and the bivalent booster can eliminate all COVID deaths are significantly different.
And I’ll say once again… this whole digression is a distraction from the original idea of the thread, which is that the vaccines are a plot to cause a mass die-off of humans… a concept for which I still have seen no actual data to back it up.
Does there have to be an intentional plot to kill off a massive number of people for that action to be a problem?
Why can't it just as easily be that the people in charge are so incompetent, politically controlled and blind to their actions that they inadvertently caused a mass pandemic and millions of deaths?
Where did the virus come from? Who was funding that gain of function research they saw fit to lie about?
The same people we were told to trust -- that they would make us safe from it.
If they lied about the origin and how it was first contracted, why would they be averse to telling more lies?
Some people are willing participants in bad things even though they believe they are doing good.
It's never as simple as "some people conspired," even though the gas-lighting media and government wants us all to think everything can be boiled down to a single sound bite.
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something that has not been covered in the MSM (i did see a bit on Fox News about it late this evening, so i guess i should say the liberal media)
Dr Fauxi was deposed yesterday for 7-8 hours
transcripts will be available at some point
but the highlights are classic fauchi (paraphrased- before i get called out again)
"i was too busy saving lives" (and doing magazine photoshoots)
"i didn't have time to think about the great barrington declaration (multiple FOIA emails show otherwise)
big red haired press secretary just got told she cannot avoid subpoena...
Does there have to be an intentional plot to kill off a massive number of people for that action to be a problem?
Why can't it just as easily be that the people in charge are so incompetent, politically controlled and blind to their actions that they inadvertently caused a mass pandemic and millions of deaths?
Where did the virus come from? Who was funding that gain of function research they saw fit to lie about?
The same people we were told to trust -- that they would make us safe from it.
If they lied about the origin and how it was first contracted, why would they be averse to telling more lies?
Some people are willing participants in bad things even though they believe they are doing good.
It's never as simple as "some people conspired," even though the gas-lighting media and government wants us all to think everything can be boiled down to a single sound bite.
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something that has not been covered in the MSM (i did see a bit on Fox News about it late this evening, so i guess i should say the liberal media)
Dr Fauxi was deposed yesterday for 7-8 hours
transcripts will be available at some point
but the highlights are classic fauchi (paraphrased- before i get called out again)
"i was too busy saving lives" (and doing magazine photoshoots)
"i didn't have time to think about the great barrington declaration (multiple FOIA emails show otherwise)
big red haired press secretary just got told she cannot avoid subpoena...
Dr. Fauci appeared on media outlets He apparently had all the time he needed for that.
Since January 1, 2020, Dr. Fauci participated in 354 television, radio, podcast, and online
interviews, including lectures, panel discussions, speeches, and press conferences. Our
auditors at OpenTheBooks.com compiled a database from the online archive posted at the
National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID).
Not included in the government’s media disclosures were 1) Dr. Fauci’s book deal and
forthcoming documentary film with National Geographic, 2) many of the early pandemic
press conferences with Donald Trump, and 3) the current twice-per-week conferences
with Joe Biden’s Covid-19 task force.
Critics have questioned why Dr. Fauci participated in so many interviews for such a long
time when his position did not primarily involve public affairs.
Since 1913, the Gillett Amendment expressly limits the government’s interaction with
the public by barring the “publicity man” or “propagandist,” i.e. taxpayer dollars must be
used to inform the public, and not to manufacture public opinion. “Appropriated funds may
not be used to pay a publicity expert unless specifically appropriated for that purpose,” the
law states.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/06/15/dr-anthony-faucis-400-media-events-cost-taxpayers-during-the-pandemic/?sh=269bf2eb12c3
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big red haired press secretary just got told she cannot avoid subpoena...
Yeah I don’t miss her. KJP is a real piece of work though. You can actually hear Nero fiddling when she walks out to the podium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw4IOmGMPE8
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https://www.kitv.com/news/local/new-book-about-long-covid-looks-at-impacts-to-society-and-the-impetus-for-change/article_ce9624e0-6ba9-11ed-bc84-13e8df44be73.html
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Yeah I don’t miss her. KJP is a real piece of work though. You can actually hear Nero fiddling when she walks out to the podium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw4IOmGMPE8
We have our own on this forum.
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We are well past the point of denying a mass death event is going on, and half way through the desperate attempts to explain it with everything imaginable except what’s actually causing it
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