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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on November 23, 2022, 01:33:41 PM
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https://hnldoc.ehawaii.gov/hnldoc/measure/2377
No complain if u dont submit.
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This entire bill is completely unconstitutional and in direct contempt of the SCOTUS decision. Near exact enactments has already been struck and enjoined by federal judges in New York. “Legislative enactments may not eviscerate the Bill of Rights. Every day they do is one too many.” -Hardaway 2022 WL 16646220, at *19
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Done. Bump.
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First reading at council meeting at Honolulu Hale, 10:00 on Tuesday, 29 September. Sounds like one minute per person for testimony. If/when it gets to public reading, testimony time gets bumped to three minutes.
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I just got done submitting my testimony.
Thank you CMO for posting this. :shaka:
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t e s t i o m n y
But anyway, submitted
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nov 29...
First reading at council meeting at Honolulu Hale, 10:00 on Tuesday, 29 September. Sounds like one minute per person for testimony. If/when it gets to public reading, testimony time gets bumped to three minutes.
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nov 29...
Right! Calendars are hard. :crazy:
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If this sensitive places bullsh*t passes, they should make it easier and tell us where we can CCW instead of telling us where we cannot.
It seems like nowhere. So what's the point? Rick the dick sure is slick.
And Tommy Watters can s**k it.
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If this sensitive places bullsh*t passes, they should make it easier and tell us where we can CCW instead of telling us where we cannot.
It seems like nowhere. So what's the point? Rick the dick sure is slick.
And Tommy Watters can s**k it.
They are trying to grant licenses that will restrict you to where you can currently carry without a license. Basically your home or place of business. The only difference is you will be able to legally carry a loaded gun between these places whereas now you cannot. They will say we are issuing CCW licenses in compliance with SCOTUS ruling, which they are not. My whole take on the matter is I will go out of my way to avoid a confrontation. Apologize even if the other person is wrong. But I will also do whatever it takes to save my life or that of a loved one or to prevent us from serious bodily harm. I will deal with the legal consequences after. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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after our meeting with Augie T it is highly suggested to attend in person for the hearing.
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after our meeting with Augie T it is highly suggested to attend in person for the hearing.
How so? Thought Augie was somewhat pro 2a?
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How so? Thought Augie was somewhat pro 2a?
He is; his recommendation was to get max testimony, both written and in person, to show that firearm owners 1) care; and 2) are responsible, reasonable citizens. Given the current composition of the council, he’s not very optimistic about getting bill 57 blocked or delayed, but his thought is the best chance we have is for the community to show up strong.
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They are trying to grant licenses that will restrict you to where you can currently carry without a license. Basically your home or place of business. The only difference is you will be able to legally carry a loaded gun between these places whereas now you cannot. They will say we are issuing CCW licenses in compliance with SCOTUS ruling, which they are not. My whole take on the matter is I will go out of my way to avoid a confrontation. Apologize even if the other person is wrong. But I will also do whatever it takes to save my life or that of a loved one or to prevent us from serious bodily harm. I will deal with the legal consequences after. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I agree with you. I hope more people bring out the point that by essentially restricting CCW carry only to ones residence and place of business, they are violating the intent of the SCOTUS decision.
I hope more people question that if all of these places are proposed to be restricted, then where can a citizen legally CCW carry? The answer is essentially nowhere.
I have questioned these points in my testimony and have pointed out other things.
I pointed out that in these restricted no gun zones, seconds matter when there is a mass shooter. There is no way law enforcement will be able to respond in time to save lives.
I pointed out that it's high time they acknowledge that a responsible and vetted CCW holder can be an effective first line defense against these criminals.
I also stated that these measures only enable and embolden criminals. I reiterated that these measures do not protect the public but actually puts them at the mercy of a criminal with a gun.
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We need some people to come out on the 29th and do the 1 minute testimony. Come out if you can, but don't take the day off work or school to do it. I know not everyone can take the day off all the time. You can do a zoom testimony if work allows.
We need everyone to show up for the committee hearing or 2nd reading in January. That's more important.
There will also be a state capitol rally end of Jan or beginning Feb next year.
And we'll need people to show up to testify against the State sensitive places and other bills.
So manage your time appropriately.
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He is; his recommendation was to get max testimony, both written and in person, to show that firearm owners 1) care; and 2) are responsible, reasonable citizens. Given the current composition of the council, he’s not very optimistic about getting bill 57 blocked or delayed, but his thought is the best chance we have is for the community to show up strong.
I was dissapointed we only got 400 pro test for ccw. Compared to 1500 against rifle mag ban.
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Ah. I see. 👍🏽
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Wow. Much respect for Augie.
Thanks for posting
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https://hnldoc.ehawaii.gov/hnldoc/document-download?id=15931
Some test already up
Wow they have a tally, that makes things easier.
47 support
152 oppose
34 "I wish to comment"
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This pretty much sums up the testimonies who support the bill:
Lynne matusow "What I will do, as shown on many crime shows is if I see a gun, I will immediately SCREAM GUN, and continue to scream it"
Then there's the lady who still has to say her daughter committed suicide and is using the death to push more gun control. She is now playing victim because she's afraid of CCW holders at protest because she is outnumbered when she goes to protest.
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This pretty much sums up the testimonies who support the bill:
Lynne matusow "What I will do, as shown on many crime shows is if I see a gun, I will immediately SCREAM GUN, and continue to scream it"
Then there's the lady who still has to say her daughter committed suicide and is using the death to push more gun control. She is now playing victim because she's afraid of CCW holders at protest because she is outnumbered when she goes to protest.
isn't that like watching a movie like Backdraft in a theatre and screaming FIRE FIRE every time a scene pops up?!
That lady is projecting her fears onto everyone else. Immature and dumb.
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That lady is projecting her fears onto everyone else. Immature and dumb.
She's a product of a society that nurtures and promotes karens.
This pretty much sums up the testimonies who support the bill:
Lynne matusow "What I will do, as shown on many crime shows is if I see a gun, I will immediately SCREAM GUN, and continue to scream it"
Scream all you want, karen. I hope you sh*t your panties.
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She's a product of a society that nurtures and promotes karens.
Scream all you want, karen. I hope you sh*t your panties.
It would take one time of someone like her screaming at me for me to call 911, get her charged with terroristic threatening, and have a TRO filed against her.
I'd make sure to visit somewhere she frequents so she'd "accidentally" see me -- gives her a chance to win the trifecta with "Criminal Contempt of Court" for violating the TRO.
:geekdanc: :thumbsup:
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https://www.honolulucitycouncil.org/meetings/
Live stream link
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Then there's the lady who still has to say her daughter committed suicide and is using the death to push more gun control.
Has no one called her out in public to what really happened ?
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Has no one called her out in public to what really happened ?
No. I was told to not say anything. I do have the screen shot from her FB thanking Obama and 1 of her state testimonies for another bill that she mentions suicide.
Anyone else is welcome to do so though.
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Breakdown so far:
1) Suicide ladies daughter was investigating a sex trafficking ring on a military base. So maybe it wasn't a "suicide". She brought her daughters pic.
2) Mayor Rick was there testifying to support the bill.
3) Chief Logan was there as an observer.
4) Members called out since 2 just took their oath that mentions to not violate the constitution.
5) Had a lady who was raped and unarmed. She is against this bill. IMO, this is powerful testimony.
6) HIFICO director mentions the mayor won't be there in spandex and a cape to save people. Mayor was in the audience waiting to testify. Troll level 9999
7) Had 1 "empire" guy who is against guns and supports the bill. He mentions "go up and up".
8) Counsel hearing was diff than state hearings. They allowed clapping. They also allowed you to go slightly over the 1 min time.
9) Had lots of females testifying against this bill (they're pro 2a).
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I listened to the meeting from the beginning up until they took a recess after about 5 or 6 Zoom statements. The up and up guy's statement was probably one of the stupidest things I heard. In a SD situation you are not in some sporting match. On the street you need to take every unfair advantage you have to win. Don't come at me holding only your dick. You are sure to lose.
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"stand and bang"
Breakdown so far:
1) Suicide ladies daughter was investigating a sex trafficking ring on a military base. So maybe it wasn't a "suicide". She brought her daughters pic.
2) Mayor Rick was there testifying to support the bill.
3) Chief Logan was there as an observer.
4) Members called out since 2 just took their oath that mentions to not violate the constitution.
5) Had a lady who was raped and unarmed. She is against this bill. IMO, this is powerful testimony.
6) HIFICO director mentions the mayor won't be there in spandex and a cape to save people. Mayor was in the audience waiting to testify. Troll level 9999
7) Had 1 "empire" guy who is against guns and supports the bill. He mentions "go up and up".
8) Counsel hearing was diff than state hearings. They allowed clapping. They also allowed you to go slightly over the 1 min time.
9) Had lots of females testifying against this bill (they're pro 2a).
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Update:
6 ayes, 2 no's. Andria and Augie voted no. Val aye with reservations. Bill passes to 2nd reading. Lets see what changes they make.
Andria (Waianae) mentioned they only have 1 HPD officer per shift available.
Waters said he they should work with Andrew (HIFICO) and Cliffard Goo and some other pro 2a Atty (Holcomb?) to find common ground.
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Update:
6 ayes, 2 no's. Andria and Augie voted no. Val aye with reservations. Bill passes to 2nd reading. Lets see what changes they make.
Andria (Waianae) mentioned they only have 1 HPD officer per shift available.
Waters said he they should work with Andrew (HIFICO) and Cliffard Goo and some other pro 2a Atty (Holcomb?) to find common ground.
tommy watters lives a couple blocks away from me
i guess i am going to have to try and get an appointment with him...
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This bill will pass because 1. They don't care what the overwhelming majority of testifiers said. 2. Their oath of office is bullshit. 3. I believe and respect the 2nd Amendment but...
Well you no kea, den Ainokea.
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tommy watters lives a couple blocks away from me
i guess i am going to have to try and get an appointment with him...
Or desk pops.
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This bill will pass because 1. They don't care what the overwhelming majority of testifiers said. 2. Their oath of office is bullshit. 3. I believe and respect the 2nd Amendment but...
Well you no kea, den Ainokea.
They got called out for taking their constitutional oath minutes prior to the hearing begining since there are 2 new members.
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tommy watters lives a couple blocks away from me
i guess i am going to have to try and get an appointment with him...
I bet he is glad you own no guns or ammo.
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They got called out for taking their constitutional oath minutes prior to the hearing begining since there are 2 new members.
I'm glad they got called out. A lot of politicians take the oath out of formality. They have no intention to follow it literally.
Hell I don't even think they understand the importance of that oath. They simply have their heads too far up their (and the democratic party's) a$$.
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I'm glad they got called out. A lot of politicians take the oath out of formality. They have no intention to follow it literally.
Hell I don't even think they understand the importance of that oath. They simply have their heads too far up their (and the democratic party's) a$$.
city council is supposably non-partisan
but andria tupola and val okimoto are on the red team
augie t seems pretty centrist
and i know calvin say is pro-gun
i may have to contact him also, since he knows who "steve the dentist" is...
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city council is supposably non-partisan
but andria tupola and val okimoto are on the red team
augie t seems pretty centrist
and i know calvin say is pro-gun
i may have to contact him also, since he knows who "steve the dentist" is...
Yes. I am aware. But I feel most on the council skew to the left.
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6) HIFICO director mentions the mayor won't be there in spandex and a cape to save people. Mayor was in the audience waiting to testify. Troll level 9999
I didn't know the mayor was there. Wish there was a camera on him. Wonder if I'll be quoted on the news.
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Thank u to all those who submitted testimony, zoomed, or showed up in person. We outnumbered the anti's 3 to 1.
MDA said more of them will be present next hearing.
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/30/proposed-ban-concealed-weapons-sensitive-places-like-schools-moves-forward-council/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/30/proposed-ban-concealed-weapons-sensitive-places-like-schools-moves-forward-council/)
Mayor Rick Blangiardi submitted the measure for consideration, and said he understands the desire for protection.
“We also want to protect the public,” he said.
“And that’s why we are really strong on the sensitive places. I can’t rationalize ― with our society being what it is ― why you have to take a gun to the places that we’ve listed.”
Bill 57′s supporters say public safety comes first.
“You’re only going to cause problems by having more guns in the community. Simple as that. Look at Texas, look at Arizona, right? Hawaii is completely different from all these places,” said Alfred Keakahiona Medeiros.
Added Elna Nagasako, who also supported the bill:
“Please keep in mind that concealed gun laws don’t just involve people protecting themselves or others. They also apply to people who might be angry or intoxicated or for whom a gun could turn a bad situation worse,” she said.
Blangiardi knows that he will get re- elected. He doesn't care about the Constitution or about law-abiding citizens protecting themselves. His City administration can't protect us and he is OK with that. No range. Not enough police officers. I regret my vote for him.
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I hope violent crime increases 10 fold on Oahu.
I would suggest to them instead of Gun Free Zone signs maybe a Crime Free Zone sign would work better.
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/30/proposed-ban-concealed-weapons-sensitive-places-like-schools-moves-forward-council/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/30/proposed-ban-concealed-weapons-sensitive-places-like-schools-moves-forward-council/)
Mayor Rick Blangiardi submitted the measure for consideration, and said he understands the desire for protection.
“We also want to protect the public,” he said.
“And that’s why we are really strong on the sensitive places. I can’t rationalize ― with our society being what it is ― why you have to take a gun to the places that we’ve listed.”
Bill 57′s supporters say public safety comes first.
“You’re only going to cause problems by having more guns in the community. Simple as that. Look at Texas, look at Arizona, right? Hawaii is completely different from all these places,” said Alfred Keakahiona Medeiros.
Added Elna Nagasako, who also supported the bill:
“Please keep in mind that concealed gun laws don’t just involve people protecting themselves or others. They also apply to people who might be angry or intoxicated or for whom a gun could turn a bad situation worse,” she said.
Blangiardi knows that he will get re- elected. He doesn't care about the Constitution or about law-abiding citizens protecting themselves. His City administration can't protect us and he is OK with that. No range. Not enough police officers. I regret my vote for him.
I regret voting for him too. But I just couldn't vote for Amemiya. Plus I thought Rick was a maverick with his own mind and won't be the same old same old politician that we have had for decades.
I'd bet that Amemiya would have done the same thing Rick is doing now. Maybe worse if that's even possible.
Buy yeah, the topic brought up about people being intoxicated or angry of which a gun would make matters worse. Typical crybaby excuse. All we as a society has to do is draft laws that severely punish CCW holders who abuse their license. And I do mean severe. So severe that it will not make you think twice but 1000 times about the consequences.
Most CCW holders will never have to think about the consequences. The laws are there for those borderline cases where they somehow slipped between the cracks. Nothing is perfect, no matter how we try.
Rick is trying to be everything to everyone. No can. Can tell he has higher office on his mind. Damn citizens rights and the constitution.
Right now I feel the same thing about him. With harsher words than "damn".
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Rick was the lesser of 2 evils. We would still be in the same boat with Amemiya. Because any GOP didn't have a chance, some people who want to vote GOP vote DNC instead cause they don't want the main DNC guy to win (amemiya). I understand that rationale.
I mean what are the steps a dictator does. 1) Restrict the people (Covid proclamations). 2) Remove guns (CCW restrictions). I wonder what #3 will be next?
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Getting a lot more sketchy all over. Having folks come up to me/someone in parking lots seems a lot more common. The other night, I was picking up food and this lady was hiding inside the restaurant because a "weird guy" that came from Old Stadium Park. I was at Times yesterday evening and a guy came up to me asking for a few dollars. I told him I don't have any and he went to ask this older Korean lady. Could see the fear in her eyes as he approached her.
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the testimony that stuck out the most to me was (i believe) from peter roa
he said "if gun free zones work, we could end the war in ukraine by just posting "gun free zone" signs all over the country"...
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A little memorable note from the hearing is when Tupola asked the Mayor's representative something to the effect of "The gun community is knowledgeable and willing to compromise on the list of sensitive places (per SCOTUS), would the Mayor be willing to work with the 2A community on Bill 57?"
His response was like "we'll take a look at their comments and consider them"
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A little memorable note from the hearing is when Tupola asked the Mayor's representative something to the effect of "The gun community is knowledgeable and willing to compromise on the list of sensitive places (per SCOTUS), would the Mayor be willing to work with the 2A community on Bill 57?"
His response was like "we'll take a look at their comments and consider them"
Which is a F-U no.
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the testimony that stuck out the most to me was (i believe) from peter roa
he said "if gun free zones work, we could end the war in ukraine by just posting "gun free zone" signs all over the country"...
For those who don't know, he helps run Hawaii Tactical Division. They offer the handgun safety class that's required for state law.
He was also at the Chiefs rules hearing in person.
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Mayor Rick Blangiardi :
“And that’s why we are really strong on the sensitive places. I can’t rationalize ― with our society being what it is ― why you have to take a gun to the places that we’ve listed.”
12 recent mass shootings that gained national attention
March 19: Car show in Dumas, Arkansas
April 3: Epic Easter Bike Out & Field Party in Dallas, Texas
April 3: Entertainment district in Sacramento, California
April 12: Subway in New York City
May 14: Tops supermarket in Buffalo, New York
May 24: Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas
June 1: Saint Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma
July 4: Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Illinois
Oct. 13: Nature trail in Raleigh, North Carolina
Nov. 13: University of Virginia in Charlottesville, Virginia
Nov. 19: Club Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov. 22: Walmart in Chesapeake, Virginia
But, but, but that's not happening in our state ! :grrr:
Man hospitalized after apparent shooting in Kalihi
bystanders fleeing as suspects fire more than 20 rounds, injuring 4 near Thomas Square (Honolulu)
Suspect in fatal Waikiki shooting charged with murder
Suspects in ‘execution style’ shooting arrested in Hawaii
A game room scuffle over a gun in Kalihi.
Two North Shore shootings within a month that leave three dead.
A seven-hour standoff in Nanakuli that results in the death of an armed suspect.
Too much to post
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12 recent mass shootings that gained national attention
March 19: Car show in Dumas, Arkansas
April 3: Epic Easter Bike Out & Field Party in Dallas, Texas
April 3: Entertainment district in Sacramento, California
April 12: Subway in New York City
May 14: Tops supermarket in Buffalo, New York
May 24: Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas
June 1: Saint Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma
July 4: Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Illinois
Oct. 13: Nature trail in Raleigh, North Carolina
Nov. 13: University of Virginia in Charlottesville, Virginia
Nov. 19: Club Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov. 22: Walmart in Chesapeake, Virginia
But, but, but that's not happening in our state ! :grrr:
Man hospitalized after apparent shooting in Kalihi
bystanders fleeing as suspects fire more than 20 rounds, injuring 4 near Thomas Square (Honolulu)
Suspect in fatal Waikiki shooting charged with murder
Suspects in ‘execution style’ shooting arrested in Hawaii
A game room scuffle over a gun in Kalihi.
Two North Shore shootings within a month that leave three dead.
A seven-hour standoff in Nanakuli that results in the death of an armed suspect.
Too much to post
Andria brought up the shootings in her district (Waianae) and that only 1 cop is on shift at all times. Which is her reasoning for voting no.
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The City Council is emboldens the criminals. All these crybaby scairdy cat anti gun nuts should be afraid of the criminals, not law abiding citizens that respect law.
They are so afraid of guns they’re not thinking straight.
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The City Council is emboldens the criminals. All these crybaby scairdy cat anti gun nuts should be afraid of the criminals, not law abiding citizens that respect law.
They are so afraid of guns they’re not thinking straight.
I mentioned this multiple times in various testimonies. But the control the media and left has on the narrative is very strong. Sheep cannot think.
Had 1 girl on zoom that said she is neither for or against it. So WTF you doing wasting peoples time by speaking via Zoom? At least the other guy made a choice, the bang em out guy.
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Had 1 girl on zoom that said she is neither for or against it. So WTF you doing wasting peoples time by speaking via Zoom? At least the other guy made a choice, the bang em out guy.
:rofl: Too much time on their hands. Dunno what to do with it. :rofl:
Would have been better if she spent the time researching both sides of the fence on the gun issue so she can make an informed decision.
But that would mean thinking critically. Heaven forbid she can't be doing that.....it's undemocratic.
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was that the girl that was trying to hold up a post it note in her zoom window?
I mentioned this multiple times in various testimonies. But the control the media and left has on the narrative is very strong. Sheep cannot think.
Had 1 girl on zoom that said she is neither for or against it. So WTF you doing wasting peoples time by speaking via Zoom? At least the other guy made a choice, the bang em out guy.
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Now go figure...
The testimony on bill 57 according to today's news rag was some 29% for and 71% against, yet it passed first reading 6-2. The fix was in
The council is has nine members. Understand that one of ours, Ms. Tsunioshi was MIA.
On something of this magnitude?? What's up with that???
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Now go figure...
The testimony on bill 57 according to today's news rag was some 29% for and 71% against, yet it passed first reading 6-2. The fix was in
The council is has nine members. Understand that one of ours, Ms. Tsunioshi was MIA.
On something of this magnitude?? What's up with that???
Shes out in jan. So no matter.
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was that the girl that was trying to hold up a post it note in her zoom window?
Im not sure.
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the testimony that stuck out the most to me was (i believe) from peter roa
he said "if gun free zones work, we could end the war in ukraine by just posting "gun free zone" signs all over the country"...
Pretty much what I wrote in my testimony. I wrote these types of bills only go against law abiding citizens period. If criminals followed laws and bills like these wouldn't we be crime free?
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Pretty much what I wrote in my testimony. I wrote these types of bills only go against law abiding citizens period. If criminals followed laws and bills like these wouldn't we be crime free?
they lump us all in with the criminals
but they are OK with a City organization that was led by a corrupt Chief and his wife to carry guns. Fair perspective huh?!
imagine the same approach they have with elections. WHo is in charge here. Clearly not us.
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they lump us all in with the criminals
but they are OK with a City organization that was led by a corrupt Chief and his wife to carry guns. Fair perspective huh?!
If the people upholding the law are that bad, imagine how much worse the rest of us are! :shake:
Oh, wait. Vast majority of the public have never been convicted in federal court.
Never mind! :geekdanc:
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bills are very very rarely defeated on the first reading
rest assured there are many working behind the scenes to try and fix as much as we can
be watching this forum for more details...
Now go figure...
The testimony on bill 57 according to today's news rag was some 29% for and 71% against, yet it passed first reading 6-2. The fix was in
The council is has nine members. Understand that one of ours, Ms. Tsunioshi was MIA.
On something of this magnitude?? What's up with that???
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bills are very very rarely defeated on the first reading
rest assured there are many working behind the scenes to try and fix as much as we can
be watching this forum for more details...
This is true, first reading is usually just procedural, the introduction of the bill. Usually it's just a vote and referral to committee. Normally no one will vote against it, even if they are opposed to it. Getting 2 no votes and a reservation vote out of 8 council members is rare. Getting the amount of oral and written testimony we did on first reading is also unusual. The council asked a lot of questions which is unusual.
Things are looking pretty good so far, and the hearing was above my expectations.