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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2023, 09:10:11 AM
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Saw cops in multiple areas ticketing the homeless. Like they're going to pay any citation and it could also ruin their chance of employment if a background check is done.
So the question is how do you prevent these camping on the sidewalk or other areas? 4th amendment about seizure comes into mind.
My thought would be to have a judge on site and a public defender as well. Then go from there. I never looked too into this, as in does one need X amount of days to get ready for any type of "hearing". Or there's the option of trial by jury. Which would men now you need a jury on site as well. Then a confiscation of items can begin. So many moving parts, but it's just an idea. The reason for on site, is if there's a hearing at a later date in a court house, then all items must be logged in as evidence. I don't see cops going thru every trash bag and can of soda and logging it in, like how they should (itemize). But would this still fall under confiscation?
I mean you could say if X item is left on the public side walk for Y hours, then it's confiscated. But is a cop going to sit there for Y hours and watch? They have more pressing matters to attend to.
I've worked at a homeless shelter before at Kewalo Basin. Talked to the people who work on the floor and not just sit in the office. Many do not want to go there because they have rules that must be followed. Plus it's very out of the way of doing random stuff on the street. But 1 benefit is church groups often come daily to provide food. Then if you have 1 in a more commercial or residential area, the neighbors complain. So I don't see more shelters as a solution to the problem.
Whataboutism would be fine for this topic.
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They already do some of these things. Warnings, citations, and arrests for things like tents in a park or on the sidewalk.
They also have city crews which go around and pick up the items the homeless people have like tents and shopping carts and junk. They hold onto the items for something like 30 days before they are allowed to dispose of them.
I have heard the same complaints about homeless people not wanting to follow the rules. No drug use, no drinking, you have to do some chores, etc.
One idea I had as a first step was to tell them that they have to limit their possessions to a backpack and anything else gets confiscated. That way you don't have mounds of stuff. Fit your one man tent in the backpack and take it with you. Once the homeless get used to that limitation then take the next step of prohibiting tents of any kind on sidewalks and parks. If they violate then they either go to shelters or they get arrested. We shouldn't and can't make being homeless illegal but we shouldn't make it easy.
I watched a documentary about homeless in Japan that was very interesting. They had a much lower level of homelessness because of two main reasons: No veterans with mental health issues and very low drug use. On top of that, Japanese people don't give handouts so the homeless don't bother begging. They also keep much cleaner, I have seen their encampments along the river under bridges and they are visible but not such an eye sore like here.
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They already do some of these things. Warnings, citations, and arrests for things like tents in a park or on the sidewalk.
They also have city crews which go around and pick up the items the homeless people have like tents and shopping carts and junk. They hold onto the items for something like 30 days before they are allowed to dispose of them.
I have heard the same complaints about homeless people not wanting to follow the rules. No drug use, no drinking, you have to do some chores, etc.
One idea I had as a first step was to tell them that they have to limit their possessions to a backpack and anything else gets confiscated. That way you don't have mounds of stuff. Fit your one man tent in the backpack and take it with you. Once the homeless get used to that limitation then take the next step of prohibiting tents of any kind on sidewalks and parks. If they violate then they either go to shelters or they get arrested. We shouldn't and can't make being homeless illegal but we shouldn't make it easy.
I watched a documentary about homeless in Japan that was very interesting. They had a much lower level of homelessness because of two main reasons: No veterans with mental health issues and very low drug use. On top of that, Japanese people don't give handouts so the homeless don't bother begging. They also keep much cleaner, I have seen their encampments along the river under bridges and they are visible but not such an eye sore like here.
Your ideas merely treat the symptoms, not the cause.
Mental health institutions that house the homeless who suffer from mental illness and/or substance addictions need to be instituted again. Leaving people who lack the ability or desire to change their situation living on the streets isn't helping anyone.
The homeless who are there because of financial challenges would also benefit by not having to live among the ones i just mentioned.
That, to me, is a good "first step."
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The homeless that refuse rehabilitation and shelters ship them to remote islands that have sustainability (food and water by catchment, hunting, gathering, fishing, farming, etc.)
Make sure the islands are far from shipping lanes so they don’t come back like the movie castaway.
Every two years check if anyone changes their minds and want to return as productive citizens again.
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The homeless that refuse rehabilitation and shelters ship them to remote islands that have sustainability (food and water by catchment, hunting, gathering, fishing, farming, etc.)
Make sure the islands are far from shipping lanes so they don’t come back like the movie castaway.
Every two years check if anyone changes their minds and want to return as productive citizens again.
Read an article about how Japan deals with the mentally ill. Culturally, it's a spot on the family name to allow anyone who's sick to be on the streets. Housing and treatment is paid by the individual or their family. One thing japan does not do is PAY the homeless to be homeless. They don't have the layers upon layers of government handouts the US does.
Originally, these handouts were for the truly needy. Now they are viewed as legal entitlements. To pay one so they can subsist on the streets means you must pay all.
Churches and charities used to feed the homeless. Now it's the entire tax-paying society.
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to solve the homeless problem is to reverse what our local govt is doing by stop throwing money and personnel at it. This pattern of behavior only encourages the growth of the homeless population. Society isn't perfect. Life is a race. There are those that can't or decide not to keep up. Compassion only goes so far.
My parents lost their house just when I graduated from high school. I was sitting in community college when I got called to the admin office and they said my parents' check bounced. I worked odd jobs for couple of years to get back on my feet. It was a very humbling experience and a kick in the butt for me. Things didn't turn around overnight.
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Read an article about how Japan deals with the mentally ill. Culturally, it's a spot on the family name to allow anyone who's sick to be on the streets. Housing and treatment is paid by the individual or their family. One thing japan does not do is PAY the homeless to be homeless. They don't have the layers upon layers of government handouts the US does.
Originally, these handouts were for the truly needy. Now they are viewed as legal entitlements. To pay one so they can subsist on the streets means you must pay all.
Churches and charities used to feed the homeless. Now it's the entire tax-paying society.
"One thing japan does not do is PAY the homeless to be homeless."
I'm a white,Christian, Libertarian, anarchist.
I despise the Hawaiian "obedience to the government"
attitude. what ever that government is.
Much of our Hawaii population is Japanese, Chinese, or Filipino.
three peoples that are known to be good government slaves.
My home has been and always will be open to people that need help.
but if you are a fuk up you'll find me not so forgiving.
there is no democracy in my charity.
if you are homeless because you don't want to conform
to some basic rules, don't expect me to pay you to do it.
My culture is violent and not very obedient to stupid authority.
we learned our lessons.
Polish Jew/Scottish,
with a Frenchman in the woodpile..
:love:
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I remember growing up and the only homeless guy for miles was and old Hawaiian man we called Rambo. Not because he was crazy like the character but because he wore the old camo bottoms and had long hair. He didn't bother anyone and just hung out at the bust stop by Gulick and N King. Fast forward to now and you can't even go one fucking block without seeing one crazy ass homeless person, either drug addled or with all kind sores over their damn body.
They get free medical when they come here. How do I know? Because I process these parasites for their medical. Some of them are here to get some medical and then they slink away back to Samoa, Micronesia, or Mainland when they're all done. Rinse repeat when the problem comes back.
This problem isn't going away as long as we give out handouts like candy.
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This problem isn't going away as long as we give out handouts like candy.
I agree but try to explain that to the Democrat idiots that run this state. You have better luck talking to a pile of rocks.
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I agree but try to explain that to the Democrat idiots that run this state. You have better luck talking to a pile of rocks.
It's a cottage industry.
I'd like to know how much of the money directly benefits the homeless. A lot of these organizations despite being "non profit" have directors, board members, execs that draw healthy salaries.
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Your ideas merely treat the symptoms, not the cause.
Not so. I think part of the problem is that if you make being a bum too easy it is like incentivizing it. If we make a behavior more attractive then we are more likely to have more of it. By making being homeless less attractive you stand to reduce it. Not every bum will go out and get a job but some will. California doesn't have a homeless problem simply because of their mild weather.
So while not a comprehensive solution, it would address some of the cause.
I agree with you on the mental health institutions.
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search youtube for "homeless industrial complex"...
It's a cottage industry.
I'd like to know how much of the money directly benefits the homeless. A lot of these organizations despite being "non profit" have directors, board members, execs that draw healthy salaries.
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search youtube for "homeless industrial complex"...
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Not so. I think part of the problem is that if you make being a bum too easy it is like incentivizing it. If we make a behavior more attractive then we are more likely to have more of it. By making being homeless less attractive you stand to reduce it. Not every bum will go out and get a job but some will. California doesn't have a homeless problem simply because of their mild weather.
So while not a comprehensive solution, it would address some of the cause.
I agree with you on the mental health institutions.
"I agree with you on the mental health institutions."
I also agree but the problem is these places are run by government
which by definition is Democrat in many homeless areas.
and there is much history of abuse of the patients
or "clients".
Freedom is an alien concept to a Democrat.
As far as mental health,
I once interviewed as all VA enrolles do,
with a medical doctor psycharist.
not some BA Democrat indoctrinated psychologist.
he said to me
" you are healthy, but if you keep on what you are
doing, you will die and society won't give a shit"
I changed my tack.
more people need advice like that.
too bad only military guys get it,
that blunt.
:thumbsup:
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this guys' videos are pretty amazing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feCH2GUaUFY
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If you foster an environment that encourages pests, the pests will multiply and prosper.
A liberal government, and the stupid people who voted for that government is to blame.
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this guys' videos are pretty amazing...
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guys's?
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Not so. I think part of the problem is that if you make being a bum too easy it is like incentivizing it. If we make a behavior more attractive then we are more likely to have more of it. By making being homeless less attractive you stand to reduce it. Not every bum will go out and get a job but some will. California doesn't have a homeless problem simply because of their mild weather.
So while not a comprehensive solution, it would address some of the cause.
I agree with you on the mental health institutions.
CA has a homeless problem worst than here. Mrs. CMO travels for work to San Fran, San Jose, San Diego, LA and it's all much worst than HI. And their crackheads are either zombies or more aggressive than the ones here. Guess by the time the drugs get here, they're super watered down.
I think much of the issue can be stopped if the flow of drugs were stopped. The "US empire" can invade Iraq for much less, but won't invade Mexico just to get the cartel leaders and go to war with them. Government corruption keeps the drug production going.
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It's a cottage industry.
I'd like to know how much of the money directly benefits the homeless. A lot of these organizations despite being "non profit" have directors, board members, execs that draw healthy salaries.
Clinton Foundation comes to mind. Most of the income goes to overhead cost.
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Six of the top ten cities with the largest homeless population are in California -- go figure.
10. Denver, Colorado
9. San Francisco, California
8. San Diego, California
7. Phoenix, Arizona
6. Sacramento, California
5. Oakland, California
4. San Jose, California
3. Seattle, Washington
2. New York, New York
1. Los Angeles, California
Also, the US Conference of Mayors have identified the number one reason for homeless is lack of affordable housing, don't look for real solutions anytime soon.
You can't fix the problem if you think cheap housing will fix mental illness, substance addiction, and economic opportunity.
Something tells me the only reason Biden's inflation isn't seeing an even bigger uptick in homelessness is all the money he has given out under the umbrella of COVID emergency spending.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/cities-with-the-largest-homeless-populations-in-the-u-s
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Honolulu is a Democrat run city, but generally speaking we are about 6 to 9 months behind on all the trends.
Here's a look into our future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpDVq8HRHDw
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That may appear to be racist , but I'm just
running the numbers.
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There, I fixed it for you. :wave:
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That may appear to be racist , but I'm just
running the numbers.
There, I fixed it for you. :wave:
There's a huge difference between racism and using actual demographic data to demonstrate comparative correlations.
When the numbers show a correlation between blacks committing crimes versus crimes from other ethnicities, blacks are representing their race at far greater rates.
Law enforcement reported information about 7,173,072 known offenders,
meaning some aspect of the suspect—such as age, gender, or race—was
known.
Of these offenders, 38.2% were between 21 and 35 years of age.
By gender, most offenders (62.1%) were male; 24.2% were female; and the
gender for 13.7% of known offenders was unknown.
By race, more than half (50.8%) of known offenders were white; 29.6% were
Black or African American; and 2.2% were of other races.
The race was unknown for 17.4% of reported known offenders.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2020-incident-based-data
Since those were 2020 figures, let's look at some key demographics of the country in 2020:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/POP010220
Total population of US (2020) ~ 331.45M
Whites - 250.56M (250.56 / 331.45 = 75.59%)
Blacks - 44.78M (44.78 / 331.45 = 13.51%)
Comparison:
75.59% of the population accounts for 50.8% of crime
13.50% of the population accounts for 29.6% of crime
Crimes committed by whites are at a 0.672 rate.
Crimes committed by blacks are at a 2.19 rate.
If whites were committing crimes at the same rate as blacks, the percentage of white-related crimes would be 165.54%!!
** The population percentages by race vary report to report depending on inclusion or exclusion of mixed race, white hispanics, etc. Lowest percentage of whites I found was 61.6%, which would increase the crime rate for that group to 0.825 -- still less than half that of the other group.
Numbers are racist, too, I guess.
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There's a huge difference between racism and using actual demographic data to demonstrate comparative correlations.
When the numbers show a correlation between blacks committing crimes versus crimes from other ethnicities, blacks are representing their race at far greater rates.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2020-incident-based-data
Since those were 2020 figures, let's look at some key demographics of the country in 2020:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/POP010220
Total population of US (2020) ~ 331.45M
Whites - 250.56M (250.56 / 331.45 = 75.59%)
Blacks - 44.78M (44.78 / 331.45 = 13.51%)
Comparison:
75.59% of the population accounts for 50.8% of crime
13.50% of the population accounts for 29.6% of crime
Crimes committed by whites are at a 0.672 rate.
Crimes committed by blacks are at a 2.19 rate.
If whites were committing crimes at the same rate as blacks, the percentage of white-related crimes would be 165.54%!!
** The population percentages by race vary report to report depending on inclusion or exclusion of mixed race, white hispanics, etc. Lowest percentage of whites I found was 61.6%, which would increase the crime rate for that group to 0.825 -- still less than half that of the other group.
Numbers are racist, too, I guess.
Correlation≠causation. Saying there’s less crime BECAUSE there are less black people is, in fact, racist.
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Correlation≠causation. Saying there’s less crime BECAUSE there are less black people is, in fact, racist.
You can be subjective( emotional) or objective(logical)
I choose objective., what you do is up to you.
:geekdanc:
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You can be subjective( emotional) or objective(logical)
I choose objective., what you do is up to you.
:geekdanc:
You can post facts, or post racist inferences that aren’t supported by evidence (e.g. less crime BECAUSE of fewer black people).
I choose to identify blatantly racist statements when I see them. What you do is up to you.
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Correlation≠causation. Saying there’s less crime BECAUSE there are less black people is, in fact, racist.
Show me where anyone (me especially) said this comparison proved causation?
Demographics exist. You can't ignore them.
Does race ITSELF cause criminal behavior? Or does family (or lack of), culture, environment (friends, schools, ...), society/narratives ("Whitey's keeping you down"), self image, victimhood (slavery, racism, ...) determine causation?
Can't exclude race if the rest of those things are based on racial group identity.
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Blacks are the permanent underclass. Liberals never allow them to succeed because they need victims in order to justify corrupt and radical policies. When anyone asks a question about why blue states are so regressive they point to conservatives as the bad guys.
Lots of blacks are waking up to this, but many of them were brought up in subhuman conditions which causes rampant degeneracy. Now the Soros prosecutors refuse to charge them and corporate media tells them they are victims therefore it's okay to destroy their cities.
The same scenario is playing out here although not as dramatic, but it's easy to spot the difference between today's Waikiki/China Town and what it used to be like 10 years ago. Every city under communist control is on the same trajectory.
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CA has a homeless problem worst than here. Mrs. CMO travels for work to San Fran, San Jose, San Diego, LA and it's all much worst than HI. And their crackheads are either zombies or more aggressive than the ones here. Guess by the time the drugs get here, they're super watered down.
I think much of the issue can be stopped if the flow of drugs were stopped. The "US empire" can invade Iraq for much less, but won't invade Mexico just to get the cartel leaders and go to war with them. Government corruption keeps the drug production going.
I don't think we have as many bleeding heart morons here. We moved left a bit in recent years but not like California
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You can post facts, or post racist inferences that aren’t supported by evidence (e.g. less crime BECAUSE of fewer black people).
I choose to identify blatantly racist statements when I see them. What you do is up to you.
How about real life?
I lived in a very predominately illegals spanish neighborhood
in Paramount CA.
Just across the river from Compton California. a predominately AA city.
I could ride my bike at anytime of day or night, I worked in a local
liquor store and made deliveries all over Paramount.
Probably the ony reason they didn't mess with the white boy,
I sold them their booze.
I tried to get a job in a Cabinet shop in Compton.
Manager said he couldn't hire me, although I was very qualified,
as he admitted, because he was worried about my safety.
I have zero tolerance for liberal BS, especially on race issues.
O0
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Communism is an infection that must sew chaos in order to take over. The decay of our society is deliberate The point is to make you beg for their totalitarian regime just to restore some order.
It's difficult for us to realize what's going on because that sort of thinking is so foreign to decent people.
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I still believe that in America even if you are under privileged, you can succeed..
Ainokea what color you are.
You don't succeed because you lack drive, or are just plain lazy. Or entitled. Or whatever rubbish was fed to you by your sub par parents.
Think for yourself. Want to succeed over anything else? You will if you suck it up. You won't if you hold a pity party.
I had sub par parents. Sorry to say. If I listened to them I would be a loser today.
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I still believe that in America even if you are under privileged, you can succeed..
Ainokea what color you are.
You don't succeed because you lack drive, or are just plain lazy. Or entitled. Or whatever rubbish was fed to you by your sub par parents.
Think for yourself. Want to succeed over anything else? You will if you suck it up. You won't if you hold a pity party.
I had sub par parents. Sorry to say. If I listened to them I would be a loser today.
Agreed.
if you get up off your a$$ and work at it
and you don't use your sex, race, or various perversions as an execuse
you'll do just fine.
I'm an old man, if I had it to do all over again,
I'd be a plumber.
It made me sick dealing with all the liberals in "hi tech"
:wacko:
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I still believe that in America even if you are under privileged, you can succeed..
Ainokea what color you are.
You don't succeed because you lack drive, or are just plain lazy. Or entitled. Or whatever rubbish was fed to you by your sub par parents.
Think for yourself. Want to succeed over anything else? You will if you suck it up. You won't if you hold a pity party.
I had sub par parents. Sorry to say. If I listened to them I would be a loser today.
What you think about others is irrelevant. What matters is what others think about themselves and the people they've been taught are the reason they can't succeed regardless of how hard they try.
Democrats reward the most pitiful victims -- it's a contest.
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The United States is a third world country now with widespread economic disaster areas punctuated with a few wealthy cities. When Democrats and Republicans shipped our manufacturing overseas they destroyed the future of a large chunk of the population just so the managerial class could profit from cheap foreign labor. That’s why they hated Trump so much, because he started to bring the jobs back and ruin things for the people who profit off our national cannibalization.
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Show me where anyone (me especially) said this comparison proved causation?
Demographics exist. You can't ignore them.
Does race ITSELF cause criminal behavior? Or does family (or lack of), culture, environment (friends, schools, ...), society/narratives ("Whitey's keeping you down"), self image, victimhood (slavery, racism, ...) determine causation?
Can't exclude race if the rest of those things are based on racial group identity.
The OP used words to the effect of “there’s less crime because there are fewer black people.” (I can’t actually quote it, because the original post has mysteriously gone missing…). That implies causation.
I pointed out that the OP’s statement was racist.
You posted statistics (historical data), I assume in defense of the OP, about how black people are involved in crime at rates higher than their proportion of the population. That’s correlation.
By defending the OP’s claim of causation by posting evidence of correlation, it sure looks to me like you were indicating that correlation=causation.
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The OP used words to the effect of “there’s less crime because there are fewer black people.” (I can’t actually quote it, because the original post has mysteriously gone missing…). That implies causation.
I pointed out that the OP’s statement was racist.
You posted statistics (historical data), I assume in defense of the OP, about how black people are involved in crime at rates higher than their proportion of the population. That’s correlation.
By defending the OP’s claim of causation by posting evidence of correlation, it sure looks to me like you were indicating that correlation=causation.
You would be wrong in your assumptions.
#1 - I wasn't defending his statement. I was arguing against yours. You said, "You can post facts, ...", so i decided to do just that. The facts support a conclusion that statistics support the claim that you're more likely to experience a higher rate of crime in certain size black populations than you would if the same size population was other races. That's what the numbers show.
#2 - I never said correlation=causation, nor did I "indicate" that. I'm the one who constantly posts the exact opposite when people post misleading gun stats.
Don't argue over what you think someone implied or indicted. Try asking for clarification before passing judgement. Otherwise, arguing about who said what and what someone implied or indicated becomes counterproductive. Better to discuss what someone actually meant -- not what your interpretation may be.
Misconstrued electronic communications lead to more arguments and verbal fights than marriage. Don't automatically assume that what you read is what the other person meant if the statement is contentious or controversial.
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You would be wrong in your assumptions.
#1 - I wasn't defending his statement. I was arguing against yours. You said, "You can post facts, ...", so i decided to do just that. The facts support a conclusion that statistics support the claim that you're more likely to experience a higher rate of crime in certain size black populations than you would if the same size population was other races. That's what the numbers show.
#2 - I never said correlation=causation, nor did I "indicate" that. I'm the one who constantly posts the exact opposite when people post misleading gun stats.
Don't argue over what you think someone implied or indicted. Try asking for clarification before passing judgement. Otherwise, arguing about who said what and what someone implied or indicated becomes counterproductive. Better to discuss what someone actually meant -- not what your interpretation may be.
Misconstrued electronic communications lead to more arguments and verbal fights than marriage. Don't automatically assume that what you read is what the other person meant if the statement is contentious or controversial.
Wait… What post of mine were you arguing against? The one where I said that if you say “fewer black people means less crime” was racist? Or the one where I said “You can post facts…”?
Just to refresh your memory, here’s the order in which things happened:
1) OP makes openly racist statement, implying that race causes crime.
2) I point out that the OP’s statement was openly racist.
3) You post statistics that show correlation, but with no support for causation.
4) I point out that correlation≠causation
5) OP replies with post about being “objective.”
6) I reply including the “you can post facts” statement.
7) You say that your post in “3)” was arguing against my post in “6)”, which hadn’t happened yet…?
You’re welcome to believe that the original post wasn’t expressing a racist point of view; I was just pointing out the logical inconsistency there.
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Wait… What post of mine were you arguing against? The one where I said that if you say “fewer black people means less crime” was racist? Or the one where I said “You can post facts…”?
Just to refresh your memory, here’s the order in which things happened:
1) OP makes openly racist statement, implying that race causes crime.
2) I point out that the OP’s statement was openly racist.
3) You post statistics that show correlation, but with no support for causation.
4) I point out that correlation≠causation
5) OP replies with post about being “objective.”
6) I reply including the “you can post facts” statement.
7) You say that your post in “3)” was arguing against my post in “6)”, which hadn’t happened yet…?
You’re welcome to believe that the original post wasn’t expressing a racist point of view; I was just pointing out the logical inconsistency there.
You ain't here for the hunting, are ya'?
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You ain't here for the hunting, are ya'?
Hold on… this thread is about hunting?
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Hold on… this thread is about hunting?
Punchline from a very old joke.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/4xgenz/john_wants_to_start_bear_hunting_so_he_goes_to/
Think about it.
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Punchline from a very old joke.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/4xgenz/john_wants_to_start_bear_hunting_so_he_goes_to/
Think about it.
Hadn’t heard that one before.
And just to be clear, I AM here for the hunting.
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Hadn’t heard that one before.
And just to be clear, I AM here for the hunting.
Really?
Seems like you're just here to argue for your opinions without sticking to the topic.
The fact you never heard that joke tells me:
1) You heard it but don't remember jokes that might hit close to home
2) You have no friends who like you enough to share jokes
3) You had to have someone explain it to you which made the joke not funny
4) You're too young to be as authoritative as you pretend
5) All of the above
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Really?
Seems like you're just here to argue for your opinions without sticking to the topic.
The fact you never heard that joke tells me:
1) You heard it but don't remember jokes that might hit close to home
2) You have no friends who like you enough to share jokes
3) You had to have someone explain it to you which made the joke not funny
4) You're too young to be as authoritative as you pretend
5) All of the above
1) No, I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it.
2) Possible… I can’t really speak to how much my friends like me; you’d have to ask them.
3) Nope, got it the first time and got a chuckle from it.
4) Definitely not.
5) Covered by previous answers.
Sorry if this has dragged off-topic; I wasn’t going to let that blatantly racist comment go without calling it out, and then I felt like I had to clarify the inaccurate statements about what I said and/or meant.
Happy to leave it here, since you’ve now gone the ad hominem route. :shaka:
Edit: I DO enjoy a good argument, though, so thanks.
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https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/04/john-pritchett-in-the-weeds/
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https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/04/john-pritchett-in-the-weeds/
Too many appointed identity Chiefs and not enough workers.Besides BootyJeeg said our roads and infrastructure are racists. Racists for the people that drive on them and racist for the people that maintain them...
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[snippety doo dah]
Edit: I DO enjoy a good argument, though, so thanks.
I hope you chose a compatible profession, like lawyer or home owner's association board member.
:geekdanc: :wave:
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I hope you chose a compatible profession, like lawyer or home owner's association board member.
:geekdanc: :wave:
Tech support :rofl:
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We don't want affordable housing....keep Hawaii expensive
https://www.kitv.com/news/ewa-beach-residents-upset-over-monster-housing-development/article_16ee5cc8-db3d-11ed-8e7e-db0c168b04af.html (https://www.kitv.com/news/ewa-beach-residents-upset-over-monster-housing-development/article_16ee5cc8-db3d-11ed-8e7e-db0c168b04af.html)
What a drama queen "No sewer. No water. No sidewalks, no drains," said Sen. Kurt Fevella, who represents Ewa Beach. "When it rains heavy it floods up to my ankles so I don't know how they're going to try to justify the need."
"Some of these guys live here since 1930s and 40s," Fevella said. "They said that this property will change the whole quality of life."
so these people have to be in their 80s at least...
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Tech support :rofl:
Tow truck driver? >:D
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We don't want affordable housing....keep Hawaii expensive
https://www.kitv.com/news/ewa-beach-residents-upset-over-monster-housing-development/article_16ee5cc8-db3d-11ed-8e7e-db0c168b04af.html (https://www.kitv.com/news/ewa-beach-residents-upset-over-monster-housing-development/article_16ee5cc8-db3d-11ed-8e7e-db0c168b04af.html)
What a drama queen "No sewer. No water. No sidewalks, no drains," said Sen. Kurt Fevella, who represents Ewa Beach. "When it rains heavy it floods up to my ankles so I don't know how they're going to try to justify the need."
"Some of these guys live here since 1930s and 40s," Fevella said. "They said that this property will change the whole quality of life."
so these people have to be in their 80s at least...
It is easy, just do like Hawaii county does, zone most everyting AG.
I don't have sewer, water, sidewalks, or drains and I like it that way.
One thing I don't want to do is live close to troublesome people.
I really don't care if people can't afford to live here,
I do it why can't they?
P.S.
Why is it called Honolulu county and not Oahu county?
:shaka:
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Liberals are not known for having a sense of humor.
The fact you never heard that joke tells me:
1) You heard it but don't remember jokes that might hit close to home
2) You have no friends who like you enough to share jokes
3) You had to have someone explain it to you which made the joke not funny
4) You're too young to be as authoritative as you pretend
5) All of the above
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IP.S.
Why is it called Honolulu county and not Oahu county?
Making sure we know who is in control and calling the shots for the rest of us.
Something like L.A. county and southern Calif.
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[snipping my life away]
Why is it called Honolulu county and not Oahu county?
:shaka:
Before 1907, there was the City of Honolulu and the County of Oahu.
The two were consolidated in 1907 as The City & County of Honolulu.
King Kamehameha III, on August 31, 1850, officially declared Honolulu a city and the capital of his kingdom. Honolulu had been the de facto capital since 1845.
Consolidation made sense rather than having two governing bodies overseeing the city and the county independently.
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Before 1907, there was the City of Honolulu and the County of Oahu.
The two were consolidated in 1907 as The City & County of Honolulu.
King Kamehameha III, on August 31, 1850, officially declared Honolulu a city and the capital of his kingdom. Honolulu had been the de facto capital since 1845.
Consolidation made sense rather than having two governing bodies overseeing the city and the county independently.
So side note, but somewhat related. Our Atty General uses HI's almost 2 centuries of HI law as "historical tradition" with sensitive places. Funny how at first they said 120 years. Then changed it to 150 years. Then 170 years, and most recently "nearly 2 centuries". It's like they're grasping at something. But they left out the part about Bruen how rulership under a King wouldn't apply.
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https://beatofhawaii.com/hawaii-plans-free-return-to-home-program-for-needy/
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The relocation of homeless to other states via air travel gets a lot of attention, but the practice is much, much bigger than tax-funded relocations to & from Hawaii.
Bussed out
How America moves its homeless
Each year, US cities give thousands of homeless
people one-way bus tickets out of town
Sept 2017
Cities have been offering homeless people free bus tickets to relocate elsewhere for
at least three decades. In recent years, homeless relocation programs have become
more common, sprouting up in new cities across the country and costing the public
millions of dollars.
In an 18-month investigation, the Guardian has conducted the first detailed analysis
of America’s homeless relocation programs, compiling a database of around 34,240
journeys and analyzing their effect on cities and people.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study
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P.S.
Why is it called Honolulu county and not Oahu county?
:shaka:
Sitting and Counting of Honolulu
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Before 1907, there was the City of Honolulu and the County of Oahu.
The two were consolidated in 1907 as The City & County of Honolulu.
King Kamehameha III, on August 31, 1850, officially declared Honolulu a city and the capital of his kingdom. Honolulu had been the de facto capital since 1845.
Consolidation made sense rather than having two governing bodies overseeing the city and the county independently.
It was my understanding
there is no legal way to be a "city" as we know them in Hawaii.
We are all towns in the county.
:thumbsup:
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It was my understanding
there is no legal way to be a "city" as we know them in Hawaii.
We are all towns in the county.
:thumbsup:
I did read that the state of Hawaii has no SEPARATELY incorporated cities.
There are no separately incorporated cities in the entire state; Honolulu is both a city and county.
There are 151 census-designated places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Hawaii
In fact, Honolulu is described as the unincorporated county seat of the consolidated City and County of Honolulu.
So, yes, Hawaii has cities, but they are unincorporated.