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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cain57 on May 13, 2023, 05:29:23 AM

Title: Sensitive places
Post by: Cain57 on May 13, 2023, 05:29:23 AM
Just wondering if anyone has seen a single location where a business has actually taken the time to post the guns allowed sign.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 13, 2023, 05:45:13 AM
Just wondering if anyone has seen a single location where a business has actually taken the time to post the guns allowed sign.

Status page says "Enrolled to Governor", but it doesn't show signed yet.  Someone who has better info might correct me.

If it's not signed yet, then there's no requirement for any signs -- yet.

 :shaka:

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1230&year=2023
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: randay on May 13, 2023, 06:19:49 AM
might correct me.

bill057, city ordinance. sb1230 does not have signs
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: aieahound on May 13, 2023, 07:04:31 AM
Already had letters to the editor in the paper requesting people boycott any businesses that put up the sign.
Does the ordinance actually make it illegal to enter a signless property while CCW ?
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: randay on May 13, 2023, 07:29:31 AM
Already had letters to the editor in the paper requesting people boycott any businesses that put up the sign.
Does the ordinance actually make it illegal to enter a signless property while CCW ?

yes, the default is prohibition. sign or no sign, not allowed and in violation of the ordinance. same for sb1230
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: zippz on May 13, 2023, 08:36:00 AM
Just wondering if anyone has seen a single location where a business has actually taken the time to post the guns allowed sign.

I haven't checked, but I'd hope the gun stores would've done it already.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 13, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
I haven't checked, but I'd hope the gun stores would've done it already.
It would also be illegal for anyone to buy a gun and not have permission or a guns allowed sign as the default ban applies to gun stores too.

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Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: ren on May 13, 2023, 11:12:17 AM
how about a sensitive feelings sign...oh yeah we have those already
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: dogman on May 13, 2023, 11:15:53 AM
Can anyone go and get a "Guns Allowed" sign?
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 13, 2023, 11:28:34 AM
bill057, city ordinance. sb1230 does not have signs

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(h)  For the purposes of this section, "sensitive location" means:
...
 (18)  Private property, including but not limited to residential, commercial, industrial,
agricultural, institutional, or undeveloped property, unless the owner has provided
express consent or clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the
building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry
firearms on the property.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_.HTM
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 13, 2023, 11:43:41 AM
Can anyone go and get a "Guns Allowed" sign?
The sign seems simple enough to make on a color printer.
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(1) Where the premises has a physical door, the sign must:
     (A) Be clearly legible from outside the door;
     (B) Be at least 8.5 inches wide by 11 inches tall in size;
     (C) Contain the phrase “GUNS ALLOWED,” where “GUNS” is in black
          1-inch tall or taller uppercase type and ‘ALLOWED” is in red 1-inch
          tall or taller uppercase type! located at the bottom of the sign and
          centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
     (D) Contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a black-outlined
          circle on a white background; and
     (E) Be placed not less than 40 inches and not more than 60 inches
          from the bottom of the premises’ entrance door.
(2) Where the premises does not have a physical door, the sign must:
     (A) Be at least 18 inches wide by 24 inches tall in size;
     (B) Contain the phrase “GUNS ALLOWED,” where “GUNS” is in black
          1 .5-inch tall or taller uppercase type and ‘ALLOWED” is in red 1 .5-
          inch tall or taller uppercase type, located at the bottom of the sign
          and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
     (C) Contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a black-outlined
          circle on a white background;
     (D) Be placed not less than 40 inches and not more than 70 inches
          above the ground; and
     (E) Be posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly legible from any point
          of entry onto the premises.
https://hnldoc.ehawaii.gov/hnldoc/document-download?id=16988
Title: Sensitive places
Post by: Jl808 on May 13, 2023, 11:56:18 AM
How about a “We Uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights” sign?

A “Constitution Respected Here” sign?
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: macsak on May 13, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
affirmative

Can anyone go and get a "Guns Allowed" sign?
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: randay on May 13, 2023, 12:11:31 PM
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_.HTM

Make sure you look at the current version of bills when grasping for straws.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: randay on May 13, 2023, 12:14:02 PM
How about a “We Uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights” sign?

A “Constitution Respected Here” sign?

Sadly a sign like that would do nothing to stop a CCW licensed individual from being arrested, charged with a firearms related crime, and losing their right to possess firearms and ammunition for twenty years.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: Sodie on May 13, 2023, 12:17:01 PM
Make sure you look at the current version of bills when grasping for straws.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM

From the bill you linked:

Quote from: Hawaii Legislature
(i)  For the purposes of this section:
     "Private property of another person without authorization" means residential, commercial, industrial, agricultural, institutional, or undeveloped property that is privately leased, unless:
     (1)  The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the property has provided express authorization to carry a firearm on the property or premises to the person carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to a license issued under section 134-9 or in accordance with title 18, United State Code section 926B or 926C;

     (2)  The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the property clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that carrying firearms is authorized on that property or premises; or…
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 13, 2023, 12:26:08 PM
Make sure you look at the current version of bills when grasping for straws.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM
From the bill you linked:
...
     (2)  The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the property clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that carrying firearms is authorized on that property or premises; or…



Stop being snarky if you can't even read your own link.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: randay on May 13, 2023, 01:09:44 PM

Stop being snarky if you can't even read your own link.

context matters. but not to you. its fine, predictable. not disappointed or surprised.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 13, 2023, 01:50:22 PM
context matters. but not to you. its fine, predictable. not disappointed or surprised.

Cool story, bro.

Just admit you were wrong.  Saves everyone from having to read your excuses.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: randay on May 13, 2023, 01:53:33 PM
Cool story, bro.

Just admit you were wrong.  Saves everyone from having to read your excuses.

no problem bro, glad to help, you are welcome.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: speedracer808 on May 16, 2023, 11:23:47 AM
So far in town, Walmart, Sam's Club, Don Quijote, Ross, Target do not have any "No Guns Allowed" signs.

The signs are available for free if a retailer requests them. So far I only place I've seen "No Guns Allowed" is at the Navy Commissary.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: rpoL98 on May 16, 2023, 12:27:59 PM
saw the placard at Cheesecake Factory, Kapolei.
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 16, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
saw the placard at Cheesecake Factory, Kapolei.

Allowed or banned?
Title: Re: Sensitive places
Post by: rpoL98 on May 18, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
Allowed or banned?
banned.  of course.

it would've been front-page news if it had been allowed.  Red-shirted Moms-Demand-Action protestors would be demanding boycott, and would be throwing red paint.