Sensitive places (Read 5349 times)

Cain57

Sensitive places
« on: May 13, 2023, 05:29:23 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has seen a single location where a business has actually taken the time to post the guns allowed sign.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2023, 05:45:13 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has seen a single location where a business has actually taken the time to post the guns allowed sign.

Status page says "Enrolled to Governor", but it doesn't show signed yet.  Someone who has better info might correct me.

If it's not signed yet, then there's no requirement for any signs -- yet.

 :shaka:

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1230&year=2023
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2023, 06:19:49 AM »
might correct me.

bill057, city ordinance. sb1230 does not have signs

aieahound

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2023, 07:04:31 AM »
Already had letters to the editor in the paper requesting people boycott any businesses that put up the sign.
Does the ordinance actually make it illegal to enter a signless property while CCW ?

randay

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2023, 07:29:31 AM »
Already had letters to the editor in the paper requesting people boycott any businesses that put up the sign.
Does the ordinance actually make it illegal to enter a signless property while CCW ?

yes, the default is prohibition. sign or no sign, not allowed and in violation of the ordinance. same for sb1230

zippz

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2023, 08:36:00 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has seen a single location where a business has actually taken the time to post the guns allowed sign.

I haven't checked, but I'd hope the gun stores would've done it already.

changemyoil66

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2023, 11:00:11 AM »
I haven't checked, but I'd hope the gun stores would've done it already.
It would also be illegal for anyone to buy a gun and not have permission or a guns allowed sign as the default ban applies to gun stores too.

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ren

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2023, 11:12:17 AM »
how about a sensitive feelings sign...oh yeah we have those already
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dogman

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2023, 11:15:53 AM »
Can anyone go and get a "Guns Allowed" sign?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2023, 11:28:34 AM »
bill057, city ordinance. sb1230 does not have signs

Quote
(h)  For the purposes of this section, "sensitive location" means:
...
 (18)  Private property, including but not limited to residential, commercial, industrial,
agricultural, institutional, or undeveloped property, unless the owner has provided
express consent or clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the
building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry
firearms on the property.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_.HTM
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2023, 11:43:41 AM »
Can anyone go and get a "Guns Allowed" sign?
The sign seems simple enough to make on a color printer.
Quote
(1) Where the premises has a physical door, the sign must:
     (A) Be clearly legible from outside the door;
     (B) Be at least 8.5 inches wide by 11 inches tall in size;
     (C) Contain the phrase “GUNS ALLOWED,” where “GUNS” is in black
          1-inch tall or taller uppercase type and ‘ALLOWED” is in red 1-inch
          tall or taller uppercase type! located at the bottom of the sign and
          centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
     (D) Contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a black-outlined
          circle on a white background; and
     (E) Be placed not less than 40 inches and not more than 60 inches
          from the bottom of the premises’ entrance door.
(2) Where the premises does not have a physical door, the sign must:
     (A) Be at least 18 inches wide by 24 inches tall in size;
     (B) Contain the phrase “GUNS ALLOWED,” where “GUNS” is in black
          1 .5-inch tall or taller uppercase type and ‘ALLOWED” is in red 1 .5-
          inch tall or taller uppercase type, located at the bottom of the sign
          and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
     (C) Contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a black-outlined
          circle on a white background;
     (D) Be placed not less than 40 inches and not more than 70 inches
          above the ground; and
     (E) Be posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly legible from any point
          of entry onto the premises.
https://hnldoc.ehawaii.gov/hnldoc/document-download?id=16988
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jl808

Sensitive places
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2023, 11:56:18 AM »
How about a “We Uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights” sign?

A “Constitution Respected Here” sign?
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macsak

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2023, 11:58:02 AM »
affirmative

Can anyone go and get a "Guns Allowed" sign?

randay

randay

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2023, 12:14:02 PM »
How about a “We Uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights” sign?

A “Constitution Respected Here” sign?

Sadly a sign like that would do nothing to stop a CCW licensed individual from being arrested, charged with a firearms related crime, and losing their right to possess firearms and ammunition for twenty years.

Sodie

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2023, 12:17:01 PM »
Make sure you look at the current version of bills when grasping for straws.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM

From the bill you linked:

Quote from: Hawaii Legislature
(i)  For the purposes of this section:
     "Private property of another person without authorization" means residential, commercial, industrial, agricultural, institutional, or undeveloped property that is privately leased, unless:
     (1)  The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the property has provided express authorization to carry a firearm on the property or premises to the person carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to a license issued under section 134-9 or in accordance with title 18, United State Code section 926B or 926C;

     (2)  The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the property clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that carrying firearms is authorized on that property or premises; or…

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2023, 12:26:08 PM »
Make sure you look at the current version of bills when grasping for straws.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM
From the bill you linked:
...
     (2)  The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the property clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that carrying firearms is authorized on that property or premises; or…



Stop being snarky if you can't even read your own link.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2023, 01:09:44 PM »

Stop being snarky if you can't even read your own link.

context matters. but not to you. its fine, predictable. not disappointed or surprised.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2023, 01:50:22 PM »
context matters. but not to you. its fine, predictable. not disappointed or surprised.

Cool story, bro.

Just admit you were wrong.  Saves everyone from having to read your excuses.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: Sensitive places
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2023, 01:53:33 PM »
Cool story, bro.

Just admit you were wrong.  Saves everyone from having to read your excuses.

no problem bro, glad to help, you are welcome.