2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on July 20, 2023, 06:18:38 AM
-
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/is-the-sensitive-places-law-working/?fbclid=IwAR3FHI6KzX871buQSUeJ36yPM3Tw6XvK4SGLLJcXUbll65C59-Qe1HDKoFk
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
Here's my take on why this sensitive places law is full of crap.
1) Suspect arrested for murder. This guy is a criminal. He disregarded the law, went into that place knowing the chances of anyone being able to defend themselves are literally zero, and like a coward, killed someone.
2) Article states it is unknown whether suspect has a permit to carry a firearm. LOL! :rofl: It's obvious he doesn't. And I can confidently bet HPD knows this. But of course, this information would only fuel the fire on the side that the sensitive places ban on firearms only punish the law-abiding.
3) Blangiardi says you can't blame the law for that. No sh*t, Sherlock. When are asshats like you gonna realize that criminals do not adhere to laws.
These asshats that make laws and blatantly defy the Bruen decision by purposely drafting laws to counter it will contribute to future murders of innocent people by criminals.
Until these pukes can guarantee that law enforcement will immediately respond to any threat to innocents they are arrogantly defying the rights of citizens to protect themselves while they hide behind their special security detail that protects them, but not us.
-
“It’s not about the viability of the law. It’s about this particular individual [and] what they chose to do,” Blangiardi explained. “I maintain the fact that we put these laws in places to make people feel safe in a bar after midnight. You know, you can’t– you can’t blame the law for that.” :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :crazy: :crazy: ::) ::)
-
“It’s not about the viability of the law. It’s about this particular individual [and] what they chose to do,” Blangiardi explained. “I maintain the fact that we put these laws in places to make people feel safe in a bar after midnight. You know, you can’t– you can’t blame the law for that.” :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :crazy: :crazy: ::) ::)
Feel safe, Or be safe? :crazy:
-
Here's my take on why this sensitive places law is full of crap.
1) Suspect arrested for murder. This guy is a criminal. He disregarded the law, went into that place knowing the chances of anyone being able to defend themselves are literally zero, and like a coward, killed someone.
IMO, I will hold off judgement on this because we don't know the details. But running doesn't help him, think OJ Simpson. So I'm leaning more toward him being a prior criminal.
Besides violating the unconstitutional sensitive places law, there may be many situations where he used his gun for self defense. And if he doesn't have a CCW permit, this is unconstitutional as well. The only way I see that he shouldn't be carrying is if he's a felon, which prohibits firearm ownership/possession.
-
“It’s not about the viability of the law. It’s about this particular individual [and] what they chose to do,” Blangiardi explained. “I maintain the fact that we put these laws in places to make people feel safe in a bar after midnight. You know, you can’t– you can’t blame the law for that.” :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :crazy: :crazy: ::) ::)
So a blue politician finally admits it's not the tool, but the person.
-
Feel safe, Or be safe? :crazy:
Very good point. For us to be safe we need to have the freedom to choose to carry firearms to protect ourselves.
Not have political asshats with private security details make that decision for us.
-
I would be in favor of sensitive places law if it applied to all LEOs as well.
No need gun in those areas cause nobody else get, right? Baton good enough.
Let’s try that for a year and see how it works out. I bet 98% of LEOs would refuse to work under those conditions.
-
I would be in favor of sensitive places law if it applied to all LEOs as well.
No need gun in those areas cause nobody else get, right? Baton good enough.
Let’s try that for a year and see how it works out. I bet 98% of LEOs would refuse to work under those conditions.
I understand your concept, but no. IMO, there should be no sensitive places.
-
I understand your concept, but no. IMO, there should be no sensitive places.
I agree, but it is more a political dare. Should be no permit to acquire, registration or to carry as in states like AZ, ID, etc.
In da meantime, AINOKEA wat da hell dey do.
-
I think the laws that our politicians made concerning guns should be equally applicable to everyone.
So I would like them (politicians) to go about their everyday lives without the security details that usually is assigned to them. Especially Dr. Green and Major Blangiardi.
Be like us. Normal everyday citizens.
Of course, if they like apply for CCW they can if they want to.
But they better follow the laws that they implemented. Walk the walk. No just Talk the talk.
-
I think the laws that our politicians made concerning guns should be equally applicable to everyone.
So I would like them (politicians) to go about their everyday lives without the security details that usually is assigned to them. Especially Dr. Green and Major Blangiardi.
Be like us. Normal everyday citizens.
Of course, if they like apply for CCW they can if they want to.
But they better follow the laws that they implemented. Walk the walk. No just Talk the talk.
"Imma Doctor!" I need security!
-
"Imma Doctor!" I need security!
The IL AWB lawsuit plaintiff is an ER doctor. He said that he had to posses a SWAT officers AR when he was injured (check and make safe and store). And other times he has to do so as part of training exercises with SWAT. I don't remember the ruling if it was even ruled upon yet.
-
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230720/1be7659a16c3d2bbc5067153b1a9abe0.jpg)
Sent from my moto g power (2021) using Tapatalk
-
Here's the big thing we need to wait to see. If the guy is charged with violating a sensitive place from both the city ordinance and state law.
Update:
Arrest log has been posted. No charge for sensitive place, but more charges can always be added later.
-
Did the guy have a CCW license? I'm willing to bet he does not. I'm also willing to bet that HPD knows this and the media knows this but it doesn't fit the anti-gun agenda that Hawaii buys into.
Therefore there is crickets on that subject.
-
Did the guy have a CCW license? I'm willing to bet he does not. I'm also willing to bet that HPD knows this and the media knows this but it doesn't fit the anti-gun agenda that Hawaii buys into.
Therefore there is crickets on that subject.
"It’s unknown whether the suspect has a permit to carry a firearm. The establishment
where the shooting took place is considered a sensitive public place because it serves alcohol."
The first sentence is irrelevant. The liquor store is off limits for firearms whether of not someone is licensed.
The one thing you can assume -- anyone carrying in a sensitive place is more than likely not a licensed carrier. That's how the stats break down nationally. Gun crimes are less common among people who have ccm permits/licenses.
Honolulu Mayor Rick Blangiardi, who signed the sensitive places bill into law,
said the ban is working.
“It’s not about the viability of the law. It’s about this particular individual [and]
what they chose to do,” Blangiardi explained. “I maintain the fact that we put
these laws in places to make people feel safe in a bar after midnight.
You know, you can’t– you can’t blame the law for that.”
That's the most honest thing he's said. It's not about crime prevention. It's about feelings.
-
https://youtu.be/sr_yaZQmRzA
Sent from my moto g power (2021) using Tapatalk
-
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230720/1be7659a16c3d2bbc5067153b1a9abe0.jpg)
Sent from my moto g power (2021) using Tapatalk
My favorites.
:thumbsup:
-
Arrest log has been posted. No charge for sensitive place, but more charges can always be added later.
sensitive place's law is only for LTC permit holders :crazy:
-
sensitive place's law is only for LTC permit holders :crazy:
Yep. I bet a lot of politicians who voted for it don't even know it. Place to keep laws are for the non licensees.
Waiting to find out which one the guy was charged with.
-
Yep. I bet a lot of politicians who voted for it don't even know it. Place to keep laws are for the non licensees.
Waiting to find out which one the guy was charged with.
Politicians that don't know what they're voting for........sigh :(
There is one more possibility that he could be charged with besides Place to keep and CCW in a sensitive place.
And that is illegal possession of a firearm.
-
sensitive place's law is only for LTC permit holders :crazy:
Yep. Those pukes made law-abiding citizens with LTC criminals by default.
-
I urge everyone here to work with your legislators to make a neighborhood sensitive place law that bans all burglaries, murder, theft, grafitti, homelessness, and public frisbee throwing.
I'm serious. No joke.
-
Charges in the bar shooting are:
murder 2nd
Terroristic threatening 1st
Place to keep
Carrying firearm in commission of separate felony
His prior criminal record doesn't make him a prohibited person, so it looks like the firearms are legally owned and doesn't have a CCW license.
-
"According to police, Dahlin punched Takushi while they were arguing at the bar before Takushi opened fire multiple times, killing Dahlin."
Sounds like he'll make a self defense plea. Depends on who started and escalated the fight.
-
What happened with the Big Island case where the guy had all gun charges dropped because the judge ruled the charges are unconstitutional? Might this precedent be used here? Supposing the self defense is justified?
-
I knew the victim. He wasn’t the type of guy who would haul off and punch someone unless they were really asking for it.
We can’t carry on like we did before. Too many crazies running around.
-
What happened with the Big Island case where the guy had all gun charges dropped because the judge ruled the charges are unconstitutional? Might this precedent be used here? Supposing the self defense is justified?
He had a court case a few weeks ago. Idk the result.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
It seems like it's turning out pretty bad for the 2a community. More fuel for the asshats pushing the anti-gun agenda.
No CCW and he still brings a gun into that place. This sensitive bill sucks and is full of shit but it is the law.
-
These cases prove that the laws don’t work, so now they double down and try to gaslight us.
If you are at an establishment where guns might be present then you will behave differently than you would with the illusion of safety.
-
What happened with the Big Island case where the guy had all gun charges dropped because the judge ruled the charges are unconstitutional? Might this precedent be used here? Supposing the self defense is justified?
It can be brought up as a defense and has some sway, but is not binding to other judges.
-
Time to up the ante and strengthen this "sensitive places" law! :shaka: We should petition our all-knowing legislators and rewrite it to say "SUPER Sensitive places" to make us feel SUPER Safer! :shaka: I can already feel it. That SUPER safer feeling! :geekdanc:
(https://premium.goauto.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Toyota-advertising-up-for-grabs_THUMB.jpg)
-
The most screwed-up part of this story is that the Criminal illegally carrying a firearm in a designated "sensitive place" CANNOT be charged with violating the law against doing that.
The Sensitive Places law only applies to Licensed concealed carriers:
§134-A Prohibition against carrying a firearm in a sensitive location; penalty.
(a) Subject to the exceptions stated in subsections (b) through (e),
a person granted a license to carry a concealed firearm under section 134-9
shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into a sensitive location.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_.HTM
The word "licensee" is used 14 times in that bill. Every restriction regarding sensitive places is specifically tailored to include CC licensees -- not unlicensed people.
It's as if the government sees licensed firearm carriers as more of a threat than those who have not gone through the same training and background scrutiny..
-
The most screwed-up part of this story is that the Criminal illegally carrying a firearm in a designated "sensitive place" CANNOT be charged with violating the law against doing that.
The Sensitive Places law only applies to Licensed concealed carriers:
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_.HTM
The word "licensee" is used 14 times in that bill. Every restriction regarding sensitive places is specifically tailored to include CC licensees -- not unlicensed people.
It's as if the government sees licensed firearm carriers as more of a threat than those who have not gone through the same training and background scrutiny..
That is what some people call a "loophole" and the criminal exploited the sensitive places law.
-
The most screwed-up part of this story is that the Criminal illegally carrying a firearm in a designated "sensitive place" CANNOT be charged with violating the law against doing that.
The Sensitive Places law only applies to Licensed concealed carriers:
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_.HTM
The word "licensee" is used 14 times in that bill. Every restriction regarding sensitive places is specifically tailored to include CC licensees -- not unlicensed people.
It's as if the government sees licensed firearm carriers as more of a threat than those who have not gone through the same training and background scrutiny..
I told you before, make sure you are looking at the current version. you want CD1.
-
Should include residences and people with knives...if the Mayor was serious about making people "feel safe"
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/07/22/encounter-with-an-armed-trespasser-adds-growing-concerns-about-kalihi-encampments/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/07/22/encounter-with-an-armed-trespasser-adds-growing-concerns-about-kalihi-encampments/)
-
Was this 44 yr. old guy doing the "Ainokea" carry?
If he was, I wonder if he "Kea" now......
To me, he too young to do the Ainokea carry.
Ainokea carry is for old futs with one leg in the grave like me. :wave: :rofl:
-
Would be real funny if that part of the case gets thrown out because he was unlicensed and therefore did not break the sensitive places law.
Mo betta be unlicensed.
-
Was this 44 yr. old guy doing the "Ainokea" carry?
If he was, I wonder if he "Kea" now......
To me, he too young to do the Ainokea carry.
Ainokea carry is for old futs with one leg in the grave like me. :wave: :rofl:
"Ainokea carry is for old futs with one leg in the grave like me. :wave: :rofl:"
I'm old but fairly healthy, However I don't GAS about Hawaii gun laws.
I do what I think needs to be done. I have a good lawyer on speed dial.
I have money to get out of jail.
I don't talk to cops and I don't do stupid.
Rebellion is good, but you have to do it in a way that destroys the enemy.
In my world, presently the government is the enemy.
Criminals not so much, that is what neighbors with backhoes help you with.
Green acres over and out.
:thumbsup:
-
I told you before, make sure you are looking at the current version. you want CD1.
You forgot to tell KHON2.
I used their link, smart guy.
:wacko:
-
Would be real funny if that part of the case gets thrown out because he was unlicensed and therefore did not break the sensitive places law.
Mo betta be unlicensed.
If I’m not mistaken, they charged him with places to keep but no sensitive places charge.
Registered. No CCW. That’s my guess.
-
If I’m not mistaken, they charged him with places to keep but no sensitive places charge.
Registered. No CCW. That’s my guess.
His attorney should ask to move case to Hilo where he get chance to have Judge Honda hear the case. He da one dat threw out da gun charge against da guy dat was carrying his girlfriend's handgun
Unlawful possession and place to keep out da window.
-
Was this 44 yr. old guy doing the "Ainokea" carry?
If he was, I wonder if he "Kea" now......
To me, he too young to do the Ainokea carry.
Ainokea carry is for old futs with one leg in the grave like me. :wave: :rofl:
He looks like he has a screw loose. I don’t think this was self defense as much as some mentally unstable jerk wasting someone over a bruised ego.
Kono was a good guy who left two kids behind and I want his killer to face justice
-
He looks like he has a screw loose. I don’t think this was self defense as much as some mentally unstable jerk wasting someone over a bruised ego.
Kono was a good guy who left two kids behind and I want his killer to face justice
I don't think it looks like self defense either. I hope more information comes out about this incident. I was hoping this guy was someone who is unable to possess a firearm.
Being that this is Hawaii, the anti-gun establishment will feed off this incident and put legal gun owners in a bad light even though I believe most gun owners are responsible and law abiding citizens.
-
I don't think it looks like self defense either. I hope more information comes out about this incident. I was hoping this guy was someone who is unable to possess a firearm.
Being that this is Hawaii, the anti-gun establishment will feed off this incident and put legal gun owners in a bad light even though I believe most gun owners are responsible and law abiding citizens.
The best thing that could happen is the public/media picks up on the fact that the law won't stop anyone from having guns in so-called sensitive places no matter how many places are included.
All it does is deprive legal, law-abiding carriers of their right to self defense outside their homes.
And the fact the new law they spent so much time and money crafting and pushing through the process has zero effect unless the person found with a firearm in a sensitive place is licensed to carry concealed.
Makes the case that the state is more concerned with curtailing Constitutionally protected gun rights than actual public safety.