Post by: Westside_Redneck on September 30, 2023, 10:23:39 AM
I've received a Jury summons, which means there's a good chance I will have to fly to Oahu. I have a had family and friends tell me that the courts will give you shitty hotel accommodations in the scummy parts of town. Because of all alleged crime that's incrementally getting worse in Oahu as well as the homeless situation, I'm thinking about bringing a non lethal weapon that I can make space between myself and a would-be aggressor. Keep in mind, I'm thinking of anytime I'm outside the courtroom or where-ever I need to be as part of my civic duty.
I already talked to a gunshop owner in Kauai and he tells me I can't bring my pepper spray in my checked luggage aboard flights like Hawaiian, they further dissuade me from bringing it because it looks like a gun as well
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/714018590/msi+pepper+gun+2.0+blk+org+13oz
So I am left with the following options, Either a stun gun baton, a short model that I can carry (like this one or similar). I heard that according to the AG we can carry those now thanks to Taser being made legal.
https://www.amazon.com/Safety-Technology-Master-Volts-Black/dp/B07MTQKCH4/ref=pd_ybh_a_sccl_1/146-1701315-4707056?pd_rd_w=dW00q&content-id=amzn1.sym.67f8cf21-ade4-4299-b433-69e404eeecf1&pf_rd_p=67f8cf21-ade4-4299-b433-69e404eeecf1&pf_rd_r=YY2D6SM39JJ8SCBS6Z8M&pd_rd_wg=0VqgU&pd_rd_r=49be1d9b-c2d1-4341-be5e-02eae05ba395&pd_rd_i=B07MTQKCH4&psc=1
My other option is entirely dependent on whether or not I could let this one slide past the "Dangerous Weapons", a tactical whip
https://www.amazon.com/ZHONNA-Multi-Purpose-Tactical-Portable-%EF%BC%8CBicycle/dp/B0CGJQN67L/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=tactical+whip&qid=1696104725&s=amazon-pharmacy&sr=1-1
The only other EDC options I can throw easily into my checked luggage are my tactical pen, flashlight (night use) or any of my pocket and fixed-blade knives. I don't like having to rely on knives though, because the only good way to use them is to commit to deadly force.
Any ideas or thoughts on the matter? What would you folks recommend for traveling from the quiet island to the riot island
Post by: macsak on September 30, 2023, 11:01:26 AM
but if you feel the need, a collapsible baton is considered non-lethal...
So I've been looking about the forums and I did not see any thread regarding this topic so I thought I would ask here.
I've received a Jury summons, which means there's a good chance I will have to fly to Oahu. I have a had family and friends tell me that the courts will give you shitty hotel accommodations in the scummy parts of town. Because of all alleged crime that's incrementally getting worse in Oahu as well as the homeless situation, I'm thinking about bringing a non lethal weapon that I can make space between myself and a would-be aggressor. Keep in mind, I'm thinking of anytime I'm outside the courtroom or where-ever I need to be as part of my civic duty.
I already talked to a gunshop owner in Kauai and he tells me I can't bring my pepper spray in my checked luggage aboard flights like Hawaiian, they further dissuade me from bringing it because it looks like a gun as well
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/714018590/msi+pepper+gun+2.0+blk+org+13oz
So I am left with the following options, Either a stun gun baton, a short model that I can carry (like this one or similar). I heard that according to the AG we can carry those now thanks to Taser being made legal.
https://www.amazon.com/Safety-Technology-Master-Volts-Black/dp/B07MTQKCH4/ref=pd_ybh_a_sccl_1/146-1701315-4707056?pd_rd_w=dW00q&content-id=amzn1.sym.67f8cf21-ade4-4299-b433-69e404eeecf1&pf_rd_p=67f8cf21-ade4-4299-b433-69e404eeecf1&pf_rd_r=YY2D6SM39JJ8SCBS6Z8M&pd_rd_wg=0VqgU&pd_rd_r=49be1d9b-c2d1-4341-be5e-02eae05ba395&pd_rd_i=B07MTQKCH4&psc=1
My other option is entirely dependent on whether or not I could let this one slide past the "Dangerous Weapons", a tactical whip
https://www.amazon.com/ZHONNA-Multi-Purpose-Tactical-Portable-%EF%BC%8CBicycle/dp/B0CGJQN67L/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=tactical+whip&qid=1696104725&s=amazon-pharmacy&sr=1-1
The only other EDC options I can throw easily into my checked luggage are my tactical pen, flashlight (night use) or any of my pocket and fixed-blade knives. I don't like having to rely on knives though, because the only good way to use them is to commit to deadly force.
Any ideas or thoughts on the matter? What would you folks recommend for traveling from the quiet island to the riot island
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 11:15:49 AM
Next would be leaving what EDC you choose in the car when in court. The courthouse parking area is probably less risky, but it's still something to consider. If you can place "it" in a bag and check it with courthouse security, then pick it up as you leave, that would be ideal.
i'd personally opt for a baton (not taser type) over a knife. More stand-off distance. A knife requires you be close enough to be hit, grabbed or stabbed, too. I'd want to maintain distance with the threat. A Taser is useful when you see you can't stop the threat with a defensive posture, but until you deploy it, it's not that intimidating.
According to the reviews, that stun baton is only good if you are close enough to touch the target and shock them. It will break (plastic) if you try to use it for striking. Something to consider. I'd prefer a Taser with probes that maintain that distance, but if facing more than one person, you can only stop one of them with it unless it's the kind that also has contacts for stun gun application.
Do all the typical things we warn tourists about:
- Don't go to areas you don't know if they look shady
- Don't go to bars alone
- Don't go strolling down the street at 2AM
- Don't flash cash
- Try not to dress like a tourist
- Carry a throw-away wallet with $20-40 bucks and maybe an expired license in it. Keep your current ID, credit/debit cards, rest of your cash, etc. in another wallet. If someone "asks" for your wallet, they won't get all your important items.
- Always be aware of your surroundings, and pay attention to anyone who appears to be paying attention to you
The list goes on, but mainly use common sense so you don't find yourself in need of defensive weapons.
I know some people carry whistles or air horns (in purses) to get others' attention.
A cane or walking stick can appear very innocuous but be pretty effective if needed.
As for sprays, they do sell them on Oahu. It might not be the brand or type you prefer, but buying at a local gun store here can avoid the air travel restrictions. Before you leave for home, make sure to donate it to a nearby homeless person. :geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: zippz on September 30, 2023, 12:22:02 PM
At worst it'll get confiscated (highly unlikely) and you buy a new one.
Post by: RSN172 on September 30, 2023, 02:04:31 PM
Funny thing is anyone who REALLY needs a cane to walk will not be capable of defending themselves with it.
Post by: hvybarrels on September 30, 2023, 02:07:11 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hU05FT9DyOQ
Post by: Westside_Redneck on September 30, 2023, 02:27:35 PM
My first concern would be if you're driving a rental. Don't leave anything in the car unattended, including your rental contract -- it contains personal information plus you need it to show the cops if stopped or go through a DUI checkpoint in lieu of registration and insurance card. Rentals are targeted on Oahu no matter where you park.
Next would be leaving what EDC you choose in the car when in court. The courthouse parking area is probably less risky, but it's still something to consider. If you can place "it" in a bag and check it with courthouse security, then pick it up as you leave, that would be ideal.
i'd personally opt for a baton (not taser type) over a knife. More stand-off distance. A knife requires you be close enough to be hit, grabbed or stabbed, too. I'd want to maintain distance with the threat. A Taser is useful when you see you can't stop the threat with a defensive posture, but until you deploy it, it's not that intimidating.
According to the reviews, that stun baton is only good if you are close enough to touch the target and shock them. It will break (plastic) if you try to use it for striking. Something to consider. I'd prefer a Taser with probes that maintain that distance, but if facing more than one person, you can only stop one of them with it unless it's the kind that also has contacts for stun gun application.
Do all the typical things we warn tourists about:
- Don't go to areas you don't know if they look shady
- Don't go to bars alone
- Don't go strolling down the street at 2AM
- Don't flash cash
- Try not to dress like a tourist
- Carry a throw-away wallet with $20-40 bucks and maybe an expired license in it. Keep your current ID, credit/debit cards, rest of your cash, etc. in another wallet. If someone "asks" for your wallet, they won't get all your important items.
- Always be aware of your surroundings, and pay attention to anyone who appears to be paying attention to you
The list goes on, but mainly use common sense so you don't find yourself in need of defensive weapons.
I know some people carry whistles or air horns (in purses) to get others' attention.
A cane or walking stick can appear very innocuous but be pretty effective if needed.
As for sprays, they do sell them on Oahu. It might not be the brand or type you prefer, but buying at a local gun store here can avoid the air travel restrictions. Before you leave for home, make sure to donate it to a nearby homeless person. :geekdanc: :shaka:
Some excellent tips here, will definitely consider the checking in a bag at the courthouse option!
I do not see myself grabbing a self defense cane since I can walk just fine. I'm looking at something concealable for when the moment arises.
I see a lot of responses advocating for the collapsible baton and talking me out of the shock-type weapons. So with that said, would the tactical whip from the OP be the next best option besides the collapsible baton?
https://www.amazon.com/ZHONNA-Multi-Purpose-Tactical-Portable-%EF%BC%8CBicycle/dp/B0CGJQN67L/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=tactical+whip&qid=1696104725&s=amazon-pharmacy&sr=1-1
I do not like the pronged launcher tazer, it limits you to one assailant and the failure rate of them does not give me a lot of confidence.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 03:34:07 PM
Some excellent tips here, will definitely consider the checking in a bag at the courthouse option!
I do not see myself grabbing a self defense cane since I can walk just fine. I'm looking at something concealable for when the moment arises.
I see a lot of responses advocating for the collapsible baton and talking me out of the shock-type weapons. So with that said, would the tactical whip from the OP be the next best option besides the collapsible baton?
https://www.amazon.com/ZHONNA-Multi-Purpose-Tactical-Portable-%EF%BC%8CBicycle/dp/B0CGJQN67L/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=tactical+whip&qid=1696104725&s=amazon-pharmacy&sr=1-1
I do not like the pronged launcher tazer, it limits you to one assailant and the failure rate of them does not give me a lot of confidence.
That whip has a reach of 11.8 inches -- let's say a foot.
To be able to reach someone and inflict pain, you'd have to be within that foot.
I imagine the attacker's arms are longer than a foot, so they can grab your arm before your whip contacts their face or torso.
Just looking at it from a practical sense.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 30, 2023, 05:25:58 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 05:48:28 PM
With all the made up racism, what would happen if this whip was used on a black guy?
That's just crazy talk!
:crazy:
https://youtu.be/wP33L_D48p4
Post by: Sodie on September 30, 2023, 05:56:34 PM
With all the made up racism, what would happen if this whip was used on a black guy?
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After looking at it on Amazon, I suspect it would cause a black guy (or anybody else you use it on) to become very annoyed with you.
I don’t think it would be very effective at stopping an assault. Seriously looks like a complete gimmick
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
After looking at it on Amazon, I suspect it would cause a black guy (or anybody else you use it on) to become very annoyed with you.
I don’t think it would be very effective at stopping an assault. Seriously looks like a complete gimmick
Might make a cool cat toy ... for a cat you don't like.
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 30, 2023, 06:34:01 PM
Throw the wallet at the puke and keep your distance, slowly increasing it but keeping your eye on your surroundings.
If that fails, then fight. Don't worry about anything else. It's SHTF time. Survive. Throw rocks, dirt, chairs, whatever is around you, utilize. Of course if you are carrying other weapons use them.
You tried to be non-confrontational. It's F-you time.
Post by: zippz on September 30, 2023, 06:38:41 PM
I do not like the pronged launcher tazer, it limits you to one assailant and the failure rate of them does not give me a lot of confidence.
It's not so bad. It's 100% effective half the time.
Even if you miss you get a second chance with the drive stun (contact) mode to injure or to stun if at least one prob connected.
I prefer a distance weapon...OC or Taser...than a baton. Baton requires some training
Post by: eyeeatingfish on September 30, 2023, 07:23:03 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 07:25:32 PM
You could check out the pocket whips, a braided cable attached to a handle. Very painful but near zero risk you could ever kill someone with it. I just happen to have some for sale BTW!
SWOOSH!
Post by: RSN172 on September 30, 2023, 07:35:28 PM
If things get up close and personal and you need to use your knife, don't think you need to strike your opponents body or head. Cut the closest target, which will be his hand or arm. In Filipino martial arts, they call it defanging the snake.
Post by: macsak on September 30, 2023, 07:35:47 PM
SWOOSH!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 07:41:29 PM
i thought you blocked him...
bored ...
Post by: macsak on September 30, 2023, 07:45:36 PM
bored ...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 30, 2023, 08:00:18 PM
goalposts moved...
(https://i.imgur.com/0WHK5h3.gif?1)
Post by: hvybarrels on September 30, 2023, 08:28:03 PM
Post by: Westside_Redneck on September 30, 2023, 09:39:42 PM
You could check out the pocket whips, a braided cable attached to a handle. Very painful but near zero risk you could ever kill someone with it. I just happen to have some for sale BTW!
I’ve looked at similar items, sounds like the Stinger tactical whip. Can I carry one of those and use it the same or better than a baton around here?
If yes to the above then consider me interested if your offer still stands.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on September 30, 2023, 11:25:48 PM
:stopjack:
I’ve looked at similar items, sounds like the Stinger tactical whip. Can I carry one of those and use it the same or better than a baton around here?
If yes to the above then consider me interested if your offer still stands.
Deadly Weapons prohibited is the law that has sort of blanket coverage for lots of prohibited items but there is no mention of whips. Additionally a pocket whip really has no risk of creating death or even serious injury so it wouldn't fall under the definition of a deadly weapon. So yes, you could carry one around here. I highly doubt you could carry it on the plane though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxupTRTO_kJ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CxupTRTO_kJ/)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on September 30, 2023, 11:29:05 PM
i thought you blocked him...
He has EDS
Apparently I live rent free in his head.
Post by: Rocky on October 01, 2023, 08:59:32 AM
I do not see myself grabbing a self defense cane since I can walk just fine. I'm looking at something concealable for when the moment arises.
Walk fine as you wish, but you can walk fine and be armed unconcealed, even in the court house. :thumbsup:
p.s.
In the old days, snapping off a nearby automobile antennae was pretty quick and efficient. :geekdanc:
Post by: Westside_Redneck on October 01, 2023, 09:23:24 AM
Deadly Weapons prohibited is the law that has sort of blanket coverage for lots of prohibited items but there is no mention of whips. Additionally a pocket whip really has no risk of creating death or even serious injury so it wouldn't fall under the definition of a deadly weapon. So yes, you could carry one around here. I highly doubt you could carry it on the plane though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxupTRTO_kJ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CxupTRTO_kJ/)
I'm not concerned about carrying aboard the plane, this would be checked anyway. I'm thinking of anytime I'm outside the airport and the courthouse.
Nice design btw :shaka:
Post by: macsak on October 01, 2023, 10:17:31 AM
this has to be at least 5 times he's announced he had you blocked, and i'd bet it's more than that...
He has EDS
Apparently I live rent free in his head.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 01, 2023, 10:30:44 AM
But would u go back and leave a note to call u to replace it?
I do not see myself grabbing a self defense cane since I can walk just fine. I'm looking at something concealable for when the moment arises.
Walk fine as you wish, but you can walk fine and be armed unconcealed, even in the court house.
p.s.
In the old days, snapping off a nearby automobile antennae was pretty quick and efficient. :geekdanc:
I imagine the scene from Rumble in thr Bronx.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 01, 2023, 11:00:38 AM
obviously
this has to be at least 5 times he's announced he had you blocked, and i'd bet it's more than that...
it was a JOKE!
Whip? "Swoosh!" Get it? The sound of the whip?
I expected EEF to miss the humor, but I figured Mr. Peanut Gallery with "heads", etc. would catch it.
:popcorn:
:stopjack:
Post by: macsak on October 01, 2023, 11:26:21 AM
it was a JOKE!
Whip? "Swoosh!" Get it? The sound of the whip?
I expected EEF to miss the humor, but I figured Mr. Peanut Gallery with "heads", etc. would catch it.
:popcorn:
:stopjack:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 01, 2023, 11:36:39 AM
what was the joke?
Either you get it, or you don't.
If I have to explain a joke, it's not worth it.
:stopjack:
Post by: macsak on October 01, 2023, 12:02:39 PM
got it..
Either you get it, or you don't.
If I have to explain a joke, it's not worth it.
:stopjack:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 01, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
ok, so you gonna keep on crying wolf about "i have him blocked" then
got it..
Why are you continuing to hijack this thread? Just to bully me?
Just stop, Mr. Moderator.
:stopjack:
Post by: macsak on October 01, 2023, 12:34:00 PM
got it...
Why are you continuing to hijack this thread? Just to bully me?
Just stop, Mr. Moderator.
:stopjack:
Post by: Gordyf on October 02, 2023, 04:55:26 PM
i think you should be ok, it's not that bad here on oahu
but if you feel the need, a collapsible baton is considered non-lethal...
It has been several years now, but the door lock on my truck was screwdrivered in the court parking lot on Halekauwila or Auahi St while I was sitting on a jury. An old beater Datsun more worse.
Not 75 feet from the kiosk. Have long suspected the attendant was in on it.
There was stuff on the front seat. Just be careful
Post by: RSN172 on October 02, 2023, 06:34:41 PM
It has been several years now, but the door lock on my truck was screwdrivered in the court parking lot on Halekauwila or Auahi St while I was sitting on a jury. An old beater Datsun more worse.
Not 75 feet from the kiosk. Have long suspected the attendant was in on it.
There was stuff on the front seat. Just be careful
Not surprised, considering how a guy was able to beat a woman to death on the steps of a police station.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 02, 2023, 07:46:29 PM
It has been several years now, but the door lock on my truck was screwdrivered in the court parking lot on Halekauwila or Auahi St while I was sitting on a jury. An old beater Datsun more worse.Defense attys, prosecutors, dedendents, etc... all park in the same lot...
Not 75 feet from the kiosk. Have long suspected the attendant was in on it.
There was stuff on the front seat. Just be careful
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Post by: Jl808 on October 02, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
But the newer high lumen flashlights work better at flashing the eyes than the old bulb flashlights.
Post by: RSN172 on October 08, 2023, 10:19:59 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 08, 2023, 10:41:08 AM
A stinger is a great weapon to carry into secured areas. All plastic and cannot be detected by a metal detector. If found you can say it is for acupressure therapy.
One punch in the right area and that attacker is going down.
Post by: RSN172 on October 08, 2023, 11:27:50 AM
One punch in the right area and that attacker is going down.Definitely. Punch in the eye, temple or throat. Punch in the mouth will break teeth. You can buy a pack of 5 on Amazon for $9.99.