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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Volcano_man111 on October 26, 2023, 09:52:16 PM
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just as the title says. I would appreciate your comments. thanks.
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Koko head does but I don't know about the indoor ones.
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There's only one range open to the public in the downtown Honolulu area is 808 gun shop and they don't allow outside ammo. Their prices for ammo are around double.
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kokohead
that's it. welcome to the jungle! :'(
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This is the shitty part about HI. Many mainland ranges, you can bring ur own and c&c range have more freedom.
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I believe X-Ring had a program where you could pay an annual fee and bring your own ammo. Not sure though, maybe worth a call.
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this is not the only shitty part about hawaii
This is the shitty part about HI. Many mainland ranges, you can bring ur own and c&c range have more freedom.
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please show me where i said this is the only shitty part about hawaii...
this is not the only shitty part about hawaii
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please show me where i said this is the only shitty part about hawaii...
lul
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"in my opinion"
lul
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Back in December of 2022, X-Ring has posted a program. I signed up and paid the $$$$ and can bring my own ammo till the end of 2023.....Aloha
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Back in December of 2022, X-Ring has posted a program. I signed up and paid the $$$$ and can bring my own ammo till the end of 2023.....Aloha
oh boy...
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so basically there is no reason to stockpile ball ammo right?
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so basically there is no reason to stockpile ball ammo right?
When there's a good deal on ball ammo, i would get it
But up to you
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so basically there is no reason to stockpile ball ammo right?
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It's always a good time to stockpile ammo.
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Back in December of 2022, X-Ring has posted a program. I signed up and paid the $$$$ and can bring my own ammo till the end of 2023.....Aloha
Diddn't they want something crazy like $1200 a year to shoot your own ammo?
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Divide that by 12. What is that number. ? I go twice a week. With no range fees
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Divide that by 12. What is that number. ? I go twice a week. With no range fees
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So for $100 a month they waive all range fees?
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Yes. It comes to paying 12.50 and whatever they charge for targets. The ammo I use comes to about $14.00 a 50 round box of 9
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Interesting
Used to have lane rental fees and different subscription plans+ the 1200 a year for your own ammo.
Hand loads allowed?
Might have to stop by and check it out.
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Hand loads are not allowed
Lane rental fees are still charged to the others that didn’t pay the 1200 upfront.
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When xring opened up I thought it would be great since I live 2 minutes away.
I was going to test and chronograph my ammo there. :'(
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When xring opened up I thought it would be great since I live 2 minutes away.
I was going to test and chronograph my ammo there. :'(
Then u bent over and got fu*ked
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Thanks for the info on the pricing breakdown.
No handloads and I’m back to they want something crazy like $1200.
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X ring is the way to go. If you are going to shoot at least 1x a week then the $1200 you pay is covering all of your range fees for the year and you get to shoot your own ammunition. If you are going to shoot less than 1x a week then you need to figure out if that investment is worth it in your situation. For me it’s a no brainer cause sometimes I’m there like 3x a week. And with the subscription you don’t feel bad about going in and shooting 50rds then dipping out.
All that aside you are able to do real practical training there unlike anywhere else I’m aware of. You can rapid fire and holster draw. Koko head is good cause it’s free but let’s be honest if you don’t practice for practical applications you will never be proficient at it.
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Then u bent over and got fu*ked
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good thing SUZIE'S is just 2 blocks away :rofl:
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X ring is the way to go. If you are going to shoot at least 1x a week then the $1200 you pay is covering all of your range fees for the year and you get to shoot your own ammunition. If you are going to shoot less than 1x a week then you need to figure out if that investment is worth it in your situation. For me it’s a no brainer cause sometimes I’m there like 3x a week. And with the subscription you don’t feel bad about going in and shooting 50rds then dipping out.
All that aside you are able to do real practical training there unlike anywhere else I’m aware of. You can rapid fire and holster draw. Koko head is good cause it’s free but let’s be honest if you don’t practice for practical applications you will never be proficient at it.
Don't you have to take their class first to be able to holster draw? Which cost another $100+.
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I thought I was quoted $25 for holster draw
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I thought I was quoted $25 for holster draw
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Was this recent? The last time I looked into it was a few years ago. But then I made the decision that it didn't matter cause I refuse to spend $ at X-ring as much as I can avoid it as possible. I rather not shoot than support them.
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I thought I was quoted $25 for holster draw
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Thats a great deal! how much do they charge me if i wanna stand up to pee?
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Great question. I want to make the following Statements:
1). I have not been exposed to any or all of the past dealings at x ring. I respect them and they respect me
2). I have not seen or talked to any employee that might have been there in the past. I constantly see the ones there on Saturday and Sunday.
I can’t go down till next week. I will find out the prices and report back. I don’t like to call and tie people up
Aloha
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I can understand Xring not wanting handloads shot through their rentals. And no steel tips.
Maybe the smoke from lead indoors but jacketed handloads also? Don’t see why they would care if you’re paying the annual fee.
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reach out here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=40693.0
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I can understand Xring not wanting handloads shot through their rentals. And no steel tips.
Maybe the smoke from lead indoors but jacketed handloads also? Don’t see why they would care if you’re paying the annual fee.
Bottom line: Like it or not, they have rules. If you don't like their pricing, find somewhere else.
When Kokohead was closed, i was fortunate to find an "alternative" I did go to "another" range but their fees were "more"
The SAD part is that Koko head hasn't fully reopened.
Good Luck and Happy Shooting!
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Bottom line: Like it or not, they have rules. If you don't like their pricing, find somewhere else.
When Kokohead was closed, i was fortunate to find an "alternative" I did go to "another" range but their fees were "more"
The SAD part is that Koko head hasn't fully reopened.
Good Luck and Happy Shooting!
Correct. It's your money, spend it where and how you want. I'm not a fan of 808GC either, but they aren't as bad as X. But I had no choice but to shoot there to do my CCW qual. I zero'd my red dots in Vegas. So I went up to Vegas and was CCWing for about 1 hour with an unzero'd red dot. They're weren't that far off at 10 yards. Bascially I placed the dot near my front post until I was able to zero.
Is X allowing other instructors to do their CCW qual at their range? Or do you have to take the X CCW class?
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Sorry I only shared what I know. You would have to talk with x ring
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Don't you have to take their class first to be able to holster draw? Which cost another $100+.
You do first need to pass a rapid fire qualification for $25 then a holster draw qualification for $25 to be able to do both. IMHO that’s very valid because if people don’t know how to shoot they will literally shoot anything but the intended target. X ring is hands down the nicest cleanest indoor range in the state and if I owned the business I would require the same standards in order to maintain that status. Most indoor ranges in the mainland won’t ever allow you to rapid fire or holster draw so I take x ring allowing you to do that as a win.
The good thing is once you pass those qualifications you can do real world training. Me personally I want to train and I refuse to let pricing which is most likely where it is because they have a business to run get in my way. The staff is extremely friendly and very helpful to everyone I have ever seen there but for some reason some people are against it and I respect their opinion as well.
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You do first need to pass a rapid fire qualification for $25 then a holster draw qualification for $25 to be able to do both. IMHO that’s very valid because if people don’t know how to shoot they will literally shoot anything but the intended target. X ring is hands down the nicest cleanest indoor range in the state and if I owned the business I would require the same standards in order to maintain that status. Most indoor ranges in the mainland won’t ever allow you to rapid fire or holster draw so I take x ring allowing you to do that as a win.
The good thing is once you pass those qualifications you can do real world training. Me personally I want to train and I refuse to let pricing which is most likely where it is because they have a business to run get in my way. The staff is extremely friendly and very helpful to everyone I have ever seen there but for some reason some people are against it and I respect their opinion as well.
As I've only been to Vegas indoor ranges, the ones I've inquired allow IWB or OWB draw and rapid fire without taking a qual or charging extra. Range702, The Gunstore, Battlefield LV, Strip Gun Club all allow. IDK about others as I've stopped inquiring after getting the same replies. Even the Clark County Public range allows this as well (outdoor). Range 702 you can bring your own ammo. IDK about the others as I never asked. I had to zero our RDS so I shot our HP ammo and asked if I can bring my own and no problem.
808GC doesn't charge extra for this, but they do watch you if you're not a regular to make sure you're safe. Well the prior 2 owners/management did, IDK about the current one.
I know friends who live in AZ, UT, and WA and the indoor range they go to (closest to their home) allows as well, you can even bring your own ammo.
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As I've only been to Vegas indoor ranges, the ones I've inquired allow IWB or OWB draw and rapid fire without taking a qual or charging extra. Range702, The Gunstore, Battlefield LV, Strip Gun Club all allow. IDK about others as I've stopped inquiring after getting the same replies. Even the Clark County Public range allows this as well (outdoor). Range 702 you can bring your own ammo. IDK about the others as I never asked. I had to zero our RDS so I shot our HP ammo and asked if I can bring my own and no problem.
808GC doesn't charge extra for this, but they do watch you if you're not a regular to make sure you're safe. Well the prior 2 owners/management did, IDK about the current one.
I know friends who live in AZ, UT, and WA and the indoor range they go to (closest to their home) allows as well, you can even bring your own ammo.
my experience as well. The local private gun ranges here are a reflection of the political anti-2a environment. You want to exercise this? You need to pay extra.
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I've been to a dozen indoor gun ranges on the mainland and all of them you pay a fee and shoot your own ammo. One of them an RSO had to certify you to shoot from a holster but did not charge a fee. Another didn't allow drawing from appendix. Others didn't care.
I heard an instructor flew in from the mainland to teach NVG class at xring. He assumed it was like all other ranges and students brought their own ammo. Xring required the students to buy ammo on the day of the class and the instructor was pissed.
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feel free to move to the mainland or start your own range here...
As I've only been to Vegas indoor ranges, the ones I've inquired allow IWB or OWB draw and rapid fire without taking a qual or charging extra. Range702, The Gunstore, Battlefield LV, Strip Gun Club all allow. IDK about others as I've stopped inquiring after getting the same replies. Even the Clark County Public range allows this as well (outdoor). Range 702 you can bring your own ammo. IDK about the others as I never asked. I had to zero our RDS so I shot our HP ammo and asked if I can bring my own and no problem.
808GC doesn't charge extra for this, but they do watch you if you're not a regular to make sure you're safe. Well the prior 2 owners/management did, IDK about the current one.
I know friends who live in AZ, UT, and WA and the indoor range they go to (closest to their home) allows as well, you can even bring your own ammo.
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I've been to a dozen indoor gun ranges on the mainland and all of them you pay a fee and shoot your own ammo. One of them an RSO had to certify you to shoot from a holster but did not charge a fee. Another didn't allow drawing from appendix. Others didn't care.
I heard an instructor flew in from the mainland to teach NVG class at xring. He assumed it was like all other ranges and students brought their own ammo. Xring required the students to buy ammo on the day of the class and the instructor was pissed.
I've been to many ranges on the mainland myself, and none of them ever charged me for using my own ammo -- which I nearly always used. That experience includes range visits from the 1980s to just a few years ago. It seems greedy to fine someone for using ammo the customer may want to use up (older stockpile) after buying a new case of the same caliber. Or, maybe they are selling all their 10mm guns and want to enjoy a last visit to the range with it while making a dent in their 10mm ammo supply.
Many reasons other than "I bought it cheaper" for wanting to use outside ammo. Sometimes the shooter just has a preference for that specific brand or specs which the range doesn't have available.
Any business who wants to charge the customer for using their own ammo is doing so for only one reason -- greed. It doesn't increase safety, it doesn't enhance the customers' experience, and it doesn't help anyone comply with any laws. The only possible benefit of getting your ammo at the range is the convenience of buying your ammo on the spot, but you're being charged $$$ for that convenience.
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feel free to move to the mainland or start your own range here...
"in my opinion"
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feel free to move to the mainland or start your own range here...
The gun range I go to, in my backyard, allows me to shoot whatever I like and however I like. Drawing from concealment, shooting from the hip, running from cover to cover, dropping to the ground and no RSOs to deal with.
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feel free to move to the mainland or start your own range here...
I'm pretty sure with all the environmental regulations and the costs of doing business, the expenses for an indoor range can add up and be quite expensive.
I appreciate the other members sharing their experiences and costs from other ranges on the mainland which offers a perspective to compare to the handful of ranges we have here on Oahu.
X-Ring has their reasons for their fees but the input of the members on this forum shows it is not the usual norm. Which is good info for those that wouldn't know.
Now they know. And now they can make decisions for themselves.
The gun range I go to, in my backyard, allows me to shoot whatever I like and however I like. Drawing from concealment, shooting from the hip, running from cover to cover, dropping to the ground and no RSOs to deal with.
This is the best range, in my opinion. :thumbsup: