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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on December 29, 2023, 08:48:24 AM

Title: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 29, 2023, 08:48:24 AM
https://www.kitv.com/news/business/hawaii-gun-owners-frustrated-over-new-firearm-law/article_81257b00-a5ed-11ee-b649-43d9f41e4bfc.html?fbclid=IwAR0QCv4eS4MrNxYjQrzh0M_sqgj6Og2bPZIU4WKNgyqnzdId3Ae5xV_K0Uc

1 would say this delay doesn't violate the constitution because there is a process involved. Like you are still able to turn in an application.
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: BugsySpeags on December 29, 2023, 10:40:01 AM
My friend just said they approved a couple guys today. We’ll see
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: macsak on December 29, 2023, 10:48:18 AM
My friend just said they approved a couple guys today. We’ll see

some people were approved yesterday too...
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: macsak on December 29, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
#objective

https://www.kitv.com/news/business/hawaii-gun-owners-frustrated-over-new-firearm-law/article_81257b00-a5ed-11ee-b649-43d9f41e4bfc.html?fbclid=IwAR0QCv4eS4MrNxYjQrzh0M_sqgj6Og2bPZIU4WKNgyqnzdId3Ae5xV_K0Uc

1 would say this delay doesn't violate the constitution because there is a process involved. Like you are still able to turn in an application.
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: Bud808 on December 29, 2023, 11:15:58 AM
Maybe it's just me? it seems this story muddies two processes / does not differentiate between PTA and CCW. 
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: BugsySpeags on December 29, 2023, 11:20:47 AM
Maybe it's just me? it seems this story muddies two processes / does not differentiate between PTA and CCW.

That’s news for you; little accuracy, and whatever gets more clicks.
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 29, 2023, 11:24:32 AM
Maybe it's just me? it seems this story muddies two processes / does not differentiate between PTA and CCW.

The only use of CCW, concealed or carry in the article is:

"Many gun owners said this is just another obstacle making it more difficult to
carry guns here. The long lines outside HPD headquarters this week were
filled with people trying to get a permit before the law changes."

If you think about it, anyone wishing to carry and who doesn't already own a firearm they feel is appropriate for them to carry will be unable to get a PTA -- meaning they will be unable to get a carry weapon in order to apply for a license.

Stop the PTA process, and you stop the CC License process for those needing to purchase a carry piece.

That's how i see that comment, anyway.
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: eyeeatingfish on December 29, 2023, 09:55:15 PM
https://www.kitv.com/news/business/hawaii-gun-owners-frustrated-over-new-firearm-law/article_81257b00-a5ed-11ee-b649-43d9f41e4bfc.html?fbclid=IwAR0QCv4eS4MrNxYjQrzh0M_sqgj6Og2bPZIU4WKNgyqnzdId3Ae5xV_K0Uc

1 would say this delay doesn't violate the constitution because there is a process involved. Like you are still able to turn in an application.

Who would say that? Someone who doesn't understand the different between constitutionality and due process.

Something can have due process yet be unconstitutional.
Title: Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 30, 2023, 10:28:58 AM
Who would say that? Someone who doesn't understand the different between constitutionality and due process.

Something can have due process yet be unconstitutional.
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