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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: zippz on January 16, 2024, 02:02:42 PM
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So you can't wear a ski mask in public or private places open to the public. Sounds familiar.
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Also of note it excludes the following place from the ban. Why on earth would a person wear a mask to one of these events
...hmmm....
(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
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Kila voted against the sensitive places ban last year.
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Should include face mask when worn with hat.
Same coverage. :crazy:
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They turned a bunch of Lib Kids into terrorists and lost control of them. Lord help us.
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Should include face mask when worn with hat.
Same coverage. :crazy:
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Next on the ban list is hoodies.
That's what I see most perps wearing on surveillance camera videos.
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what about medical or n95 masks?
So you can't wear a ski mask in public or private places open to the public. Sounds familiar.
(https://i.imgur.com/lFe30Q7.jpeg)
Also of note it excludes the following place from the ban. Why on earth would a person wear a mask to one of these events
...hmmm....
(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
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Yeah, because criminals have a dress code. They never use bandanas, Halloween masks, motorcycle helmets or other face coverings when they want to remain unidentified.
We should ban this next ...
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the 1st right to fall...
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I refuse to give up my Kato Green Hornet mask.......
Robin can give up his mask. But not me.
I'm Bwoose Rhree.
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Perfectly legal.
Protected political expression ....
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Yeah, because criminals have a dress code. They never use bandanas, Halloween masks, motorcycle helmets or other face coverings when they want to remain unidentified.
We should ban this next ...
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Are you being serious?
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So you can't wear a ski mask in public or private places open to the public. Sounds familiar.
(https://i.imgur.com/lFe30Q7.jpeg)
Also of note it excludes the following place from the ban. Why on earth would a person wear a mask to one of these events
...hmmm....
(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
Why though? What problem are they trying to solve here?
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swoooosh
Are you being serious?
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macsak brought up a good point about covid masks.
When I go shopping, I still see MANY people wearing face masks.
Especially when the local weather turned very cold last week.
Makes me wonder if the sponsors of this bill have any contact with the general public.
Makes me wonder if OUR local legislators actually have any contact with the general public other than photo ops.
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I decided to read the bill
"§711- Concealed identity; ski mask or balaclava; public places; prohibited. (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to wear a ski mask or balaclava in a public place or on any mode of public transportation.
(2) This section shall not be construed to apply to any person who wears a ski mask or balaclava:
(a) As part of a traditional holiday costume;
(b) For a religious purpose;
(c) While engaged in a trade or employment where they are worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer;
(d) In a theatrical production;
(e) For the purpose of protecting the wearer from the elements while participating in a winter sport; or
(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
(3) Any person who violates this section shall be fined no more than $250.
(4) For the purposes of this section:
"Public place" means an area generally open to the public, regardless of whether it is privately owned, and includes but is not limited to any street, sidewalk, park, parking lot, store, restaurant, school building, recreation center, daycare facility, and government-owned building.
"Ski mask or balaclava" means a close-fitting garment covering the whole head and face, with holes for the eyes, mouth, or nose, or any combination of the three.""
Sounds like a bill to cater toward constituents who complained to their offices.
"For religious purpose", we've seen the state/city crap over this when mandating covid shots. So don't hold your breath to use this as an excuse.
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Makes me wonder if OUR local legislators actually have any contact with the general public other than photo ops.
Kila does. He stated he voted no on sensitive places bill (SB123) because its what his people wanted. He went against party lines on this bill.
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what about medical or n95 masks?
This bill is only for ski mask and bac's. So halloween mask and N95 are g2g.
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Kila does. He stated he voted no on sensitive places bill (SB123) because its what his people wanted. He went against party lines on this bill.
Kila is pretty supportive of the 2A. He has a no duty to retreat bill introduced too.
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what about medical or n95 masks?
This bill is only for ski mask and bac's. So halloween mask and N95 are g2g.
To me the bill is like the people who introduced it: retarded.
My primary physician has been wearing a face shield and mask ever since the mandates. Because of my health condition I visit her 2 times a year.
I don't know how she looks like anymore. I forget. I know she's a hottie. ;D Even with the face shield on and a mask she still looks good.
If not a hottie at least a warmie.
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To me the bill is like the people who introduced it: retarded.
My primary physician has been wearing a face shield and mask ever since the mandates. Because of my health condition I visit her 2 times a year.
I don't know how she looks like anymore. I forget. I know she's a hottie. ;D Even with the face shield on and a mask she still looks good.
If not a hottie at least a warmie.
With the exceptions, I wonder if this impacts anything in the Constitution?
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Are you being serious?
100% serious.
Show me where an exception to the law for one face covering doesn't negate the entire purpose of the law.
Ban all, or ban none.
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100% serious.
Show me where an exception to the law for one face covering doesn't negate the entire purpose of the law.
Ban all, or ban none.
Hoodie and surgical mask is just as covering one ID as a ski mask and bac.
I mean, the bill could have been written as "while commiting a crime".
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(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
so just wear ski mask anyway and say you are protesting the ban on wearing ski masks.
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Damn it….look like I no can wear dis….. :(
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I hope they don't ban baklava. I really like that stuff.
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Damn it….look like I no can wear dis….. :(
would be hilarious testifying like that. and proves a point too.
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so just wear ski mask anyway and say you are protesting the ban on wearing ski masks.
We have seen HPD follow orders and prohibit free speech during covid. Then arrest people for the opposite, not wearing a mask. I'm sure they will disregard the constitution like usual.
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I decided to read the bill
"§711- Concealed identity; ski mask or balaclava; public places; prohibited. (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to wear a ski mask or balaclava in a public place or on any mode of public transportation.
Except
(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
Are they so stupid they don't realize what a loophole they put in their bill? So you are allowed to wear a ski mask while engaging in free speech activities. If any cop ever stopped you for wearing a ski mask all you would have to do is explain that you are wearing a ski mask to protest ski masks being illegal.
I thought there was already a law on the book about wearing masks while committing a crime but I couldn't find it yet.
Edit: Found it but it is city law not state law
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/honolulu/latest/honolulu/0-0-0-41278
§ 41-24.2 Wearing of masks or disguises prohibited.
No person shall wear any mask, false whiskers, or any personal disguise (whether complete or partial) for the purpose of:
(1) Evading or escaping discovery, recognition, or identification in the commission of any criminal offense; or
(2) Concealment, flight, or escape, when the person has been charged with, arrested for, or convicted of, any criminal offense.
(1990 Code, Ch. 40, Art. 22, § 40-22.2) (Added by Ord. 01-19)
§ 41-24.3 Penalty.
Any person violating this article shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and shall be subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to 30 days of imprisonment, or both.
(1990 Code, Ch. 40, Art. 22, § 40-22.3) (Added by Ord. 01-19)
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100% serious.
Show me where an exception to the law for one face covering doesn't negate the entire purpose of the law.
Ban all, or ban none.
Can't argue with that logic.
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You would think our legislators have better things to do.
They definitely have more important things to think about than punks in masks.
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Are they so stupid they don't realize what a loophole they put in their bill? So you are allowed to wear a ski mask while engaging in free speech activities. If any cop ever stopped you for wearing a ski mask all you would have to do is explain that you are wearing a ski mask to protest ski masks being illegal.
I thought there was already a law on the book about wearing masks while committing a crime but I couldn't find it yet.
Edit: Found it but it is city law not state law
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/honolulu/latest/honolulu/0-0-0-41278
§ 41-24.2 Wearing of masks or disguises prohibited.
No person shall wear any mask, false whiskers, or any personal disguise (whether complete or partial) for the purpose of:
(1) Evading or escaping discovery, recognition, or identification in the commission of any criminal offense; or
(2) Concealment, flight, or escape, when the person has been charged with, arrested for, or convicted of, any criminal offense.
(1990 Code, Ch. 40, Art. 22, § 40-22.2) (Added by Ord. 01-19)
§ 41-24.3 Penalty.
Any person violating this article shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and shall be subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to 30 days of imprisonment, or both.
(1990 Code, Ch. 40, Art. 22, § 40-22.3) (Added by Ord. 01-19)
"Edit: Found it but it is city law not state law"
Y'all know there is no such thing as a city in Hawaii?
I still haven't figured why Oahu isn't Oahu county, but the
Democrats in that TOWN of Honolulu do as they damn well please.
:wtf:
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Are they so stupid they don't realize what a loophole they put in their bill? So you are allowed to wear a ski mask while engaging in free speech activities. If any cop ever stopped you for wearing a ski mask all you would have to do is explain that you are wearing a ski mask to protest ski masks being illegal.
I thought there was already a law on the book about wearing masks while committing a crime but I couldn't find it yet.
Edit: Found it but it is city law not state law
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/honolulu/latest/honolulu/0-0-0-41278
§ 41-24.2 Wearing of masks or disguises prohibited.
No person shall wear any mask, false whiskers, or any personal disguise (whether complete or partial) for the purpose of:
(1) Evading or escaping discovery, recognition, or identification in the commission of any criminal offense; or
(2) Concealment, flight, or escape, when the person has been charged with, arrested for, or convicted of, any criminal offense.
(1990 Code, Ch. 40, Art. 22, § 40-22.2) (Added by Ord. 01-19)
§ 41-24.3 Penalty.
Any person violating this article shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and shall be subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to 30 days of imprisonment, or both.
(1990 Code, Ch. 40, Art. 22, § 40-22.3) (Added by Ord. 01-19)
Read my above about HPD violating any "loophole". Granted the person wasn't arrested for also commiting a crime. AKA walking down the street with a bac on and gets stopped by HPD and they say 1A.
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You would think our legislators have better things to do.
They definitely have more important things to think about than punks in masks.
I think they know. But they're re-electability and status amongst their peers are more important.
Therefore we are presented with retarded bills like these just to show the clueless people who've bought into their BS think they are doing something.
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I decided to read the bill
"§711- Concealed identity; ski mask or balaclava; public places; prohibited. (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to wear a ski mask or balaclava in a public place or on any mode of public transportation.
(f) While lawfully engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
So why not any other Amendment of the Constitution of the United States?
Like the right to bear arms ? :wacko:
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So why not any other Amendment of the Constitution of the United States?
Like the right to bear arms ? :wacko:
THat would make sense.
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§ 41-24.2 Wearing of masks or disguises prohibited.
No person shall wear any mask, false whiskers, or any personal disguise (whether complete or partial) for the purpose of:
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Read my above about HPD violating any "loophole". Granted the person wasn't arrested for also commiting a crime. AKA walking down the street with a bac on and gets stopped by HPD and they say 1A.
Great minds think alike... so do ours.
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I guess being a furry would be a crime?
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So why not any other Amendment of the Constitution of the United States?
They are trying to make it sound like they still care about our rights.
My guess is they know something crazy is about to go down and want the ability to round people up with facial recognition software
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They are trying to make it sound like they still care about our rights.
My guess is they know something crazy is about to go down and want the ability to round people up with facial recognition software
As president of the tin foil hat club, I doubt this because first you have to remove all firearms (delete the 2a). So by the time this is done, we will be dead due to old age.
And 2nd, they already are using facial recog software, you just don't know it.