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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on July 05, 2024, 08:28:57 AM
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https://www.khon2.com/local-news/hawaii-to-ban-those-under-21-from-buying-ammo/
Gov. Josh Green is expected to sign a new bill into law that will ban those under 21 from purchasing ammunition
Those in support say it is a step in the right direction for public safety but others against it say it does not address the primary issue.
Sen. Glenn Wakai introduced the bill after a gun-owning constituent reached out about his suicidal daughter. Wakai said the dad was a responsible owner and kept his ammo locked separately from his gun.
“But she was able to — and I don’t know where — but buy, locally, bullets to put into that gun,” said Senate Public Safety Committee chair Glenn Wakai. “Thank goodness the girl didn’t load it and pull the trigger. She’s still alive with us today. But that story is what compelled me to introduce the bill.”
Sen. Wakai said Gov. Josh Green will sign the bill into law on Monday, July 8, which will prohibit anyone under 21 from purchasing ammunition.
Minors will still be able to handle and fire ammunition under adult supervision.
“So, we didn’t outlaw a child touching ammo, just the purchase part of it,” Sen. Wakai said.
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"that story is what compelled me to introduce the bill". What he really means is "I want to take peoples rights away, and needed a sad story to get emotion on my side".
Funny, he never once mentioned this for any of the hearings. I call BS.
If I'm reading this bill correctly, EVERYONE must check ID's before giving any ammo. Even to grandpa's. The bill doesn't say "if they look over 30, then no need".
This also means, if you let someone shoot your gun, you must check ID's. Also, no tossing mags to your teammate during exercises unless you checked their ID first.
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He kept the ammo locked seperately, but she still had unrestricted access to the gun? Why wouldnt he keep the gun locked?
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"that story is what compelled me to introduce the bill". What he really means is "I want to take peoples rights away, and needed a sad story to get emotion on my side".
Funny, he never once mentioned this for any of the hearings. I call BS.
If I'm reading this bill correctly, EVERYONE must check ID's before giving any ammo. Even to grandpa's. The bill doesn't say "if they look over 30, then no need".
This also means, if you let someone shoot your gun, you must check ID's. Also, no tossing mags to your teammate during exercises unless you checked their ID first.
I speculate that he didn't say it in the hearing because they are officially recorded? and making up stories to say to the media isn't.
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"It's a step in the right direction"
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Sen. Wakai said Gov. Josh Green will sign the bill into law on Monday, July 8, which will prohibit anyone under 21 from purchasing ammunition.
Minors will still be able to handle and fire ammunition under adult supervision.
Since when did the definition of minor change from <18 to <21?
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Since when did the definition of minor change from <18 to <21?
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Since when did the definition of minor change from <18 to <21?
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Our Surgeon General does think 1-19 are minors.
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Our Surgeon General does think 1-19 are minors.
if we can be gender fluid, why can't we be age fluid?
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if we can be gender fluid, why can't we be age fluid?
Or AR fluid. AR ID's as a 1779 Musket.
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So an 18 year old can purchase and own a rifle but not buy ammo for it? WTF
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So an 18 year old can purchase and own a rifle but not buy ammo for it? WTF
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21 is the proposed law.
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So an 18 year old can purchase and own a rifle but not buy ammo for it? WTF
21 to own a rifle. Think Hawaii is the only state to do that. Under 21 can be loaned a rifle, though even that they attempted to take away a few years ago.
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Under 21 patriots of the United States have served in our Armed Services with bravery, courage, and sacrifice since the beginning of our Nation.
They fought, died, and preserved the freedoms of everyone living today.
Preserving even the freedoms of the asshats at the Capitol of this banana republik making the stupid laws we see today and the "he was a good boy" criminals that they love to coddle, spank or slap their wrists, then send them on their way through the revolving door called the criminal justice system.
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So an 18 year old can purchase and own a rifle but not buy ammo for it? WTF
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So an 18 year old can purchase and own a rifle but not buy ammo for it? WTF
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18 yr. olds can handle firearms only when called to defend and die for our country. Otherwise no dice.
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It's okay if a 5 year old wants to cut his dick off, but don't let a 20 year old touch ammo! :wacko:
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21 is the proposed law.
Ok, so they would change it to match the ammo law. This is one of the dumber ideas they have
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Ok, so they would change it to match the ammo law. This is one of the dumber ideas they have
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Correct me if I am mistaken.
21 is the new ammo ban law.
18 is the current gun law.
18 yrs can join military and shoot machine guns.
So basically, we have conflicting laws and/or ideology.
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Correct me if I am mistaken.
21 is the new ammo ban law.
18 is the current gun law.
18 yrs can join military and shoot machine guns.
So basically, we have conflicting laws and/or ideology.
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An 18 year old cannot buy any gun in HI.
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An 18 year old cannot buy any gun in HI.
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but 18 can own one, correct?
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but 18 can own one, correct?
But 18 can't have a gun transferred to them in-state, nor bring a gun they already own from out-of-state.
Catch-22
Can't get a permit to legally acquire.
No person less than twenty-one years of age shall bring or cause to be brought into the State any firearm.
So, I guess you have to have it magically appear in your hands with no local or mainland record of purchase. You just have to already, somehow "own it" t the time you try to register as an 18 y.o.
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but 18 can own one, correct?
There's only one way I can think of for under 21 to own a gun. It's complicated tho. They would have to create a receiver out of something they already have.
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There's only one way I can think of for under 21 to own a gun. It's complicated tho. They would have to create a receiver out of something they already have.
So, the law is forcing 18 year olds to build their own guns out of anything other than 80% kits. Seems logical.
Kids making guns without ever having owned one. What could go wrong?
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There's only one way I can think of for under 21 to own a gun. It's complicated tho. They would have to create a receiver out of something they already have.
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Gift or inherited?
I think that was the intent of the law.
Regardless, the morass of legalities is disgusting.
The legislators who dreamed this up should be fired.
And we haven't even begun to discuss the military service aspect yet.
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Gift or inherited?
I think that was the intent of the law.
Regardless, the morass of legalities is disgusting.
The legislators who dreamed this up should be fired.
And we haven't even begun to discuss the military service aspect yet.
1 active duty did show up to testify.
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Gift or inherited?
I think that was the intent of the law.
Regardless, the morass of legalities is disgusting.
The legislators who dreamed this up should be fired.
And we haven't even begun to discuss the military service aspect yet.
Even if gifted or inherited, the new owner is having the gun transferred to them from the giver/estate. I think the rules for transfers (>21) would kick in.
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Guess this is it coming up. Thousands of criminals about to be created.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ZF8cWDdbEX3VHg5e/?mibextid=qi2Omg
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And with a stroke of the pen, anyone under 21 possessing ammo now is a prohibited person for 20 years.
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Guess this is it coming up. Thousands of criminals about to be created.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ZF8cWDdbEX3VHg5e/?mibextid=qi2Omg
i can think of a lot of scenarios where a minor can get access to a firearm, so why not ammo, too?
Limiting the sale of ammo to adults will be just as effective as limiting sale of tobacco, alcohol and nudie magazines by age.
If someone really wants to get their hands on some ammo, they will find a way.
Pontification: If I were 17 and needed/wanted ammo, but all the stores will be checking ID, would I:
a. get a fake ID?
b. grab an extra box from my parent or friend next time they take me to the range or hunting?
c. Buy some from a seller on the local 2A forums' classified section? (if the law abiding seller asks for ID, see answers (a) and (d))
d. Pay an adult to buy some for me, maybe the guy holding a sign while panhandling on the street?
e. Steal some from my friend's dad next time i visit their home, since the dad never locks up the ammo -- only the guns?
Just a few ideas off the top of my head.
Anyone contemplating committing a violent crime or offing themselves is not going to care about being a prohibited person or felon.
That penalty is just another shoehorn to be used to strip otherwise law abiding gun owners of their constitutionally protected rights. I have a feeling this law will be headed to SCOTUS, and HI will again thumb their nose at the decision.
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We the people of Hawaii (whether we like it or not) are special. We factor in the Aloha Spirit when we make our laws, (whether we like it or not), and are not necessarily bound by the Constitution (of course no problem if it suits our agenda) because this spirit lives in us, it is our culture, and it is the way our politicians do business, ever since they have been elected since the beginning of time, till the end of time.
In our banana republik, common sense, or any sense for that matter, will never factor in the decisions we make.
Only the Aloha Spirit.
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People assume our lawmakers passed this bill because of "safety". The only reason they passed it is to add 1 more anti 2a gun bill to the books. They don't give a crap on how criminals get ammo.
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People assume our lawmakers passed this bill because of "safety". The only reason they passed it is to add 1 more anti 2a gun bill to the books. They don't give a crap on how criminals get ammo.
One more "gotcha" law on the books to go after law abiding gun owners who should be calling 911, buying big dogs and living the Aloha Spirit instead.
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And with a stroke of the pen, anyone under 21 possessing ammo now is a prohibited person for 20 years.
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Where's the law that stops them from illegally possessing ammo?
Oh right...
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They seem happy for doing something that doesn't work.
But on the flip side, I can imagine the heartbreak they had when the awb bill didn't pass. :rofl:
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HNN had a teacher speaking. She was talking about how a suicidal student had access to a gun. Of course she left out access to ammo. I guess the parent leaves the gun out, but locks all the ammo.
This doesn't affect directly anyone here because we're all over 21. But wait till they raise the age to 25, then 30 and so on.
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A lot of it is focused on suicide. But never hear them talk about parenting, responsibility, DEI, drugs, and other things that cause it.
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A lot of it is focused on suicide. But never hear them talk about parenting, responsibility, DEI, drugs, and other things that cause it.
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The military service aspect is what really grinds my gears.
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A lot of it is focused on suicide. But never hear them talk about parenting, responsibility, DEI, drugs, and other things that cause it.
Or the fact that millions of young people were robbed of a critical development period by the communist covid response and now on the SSRI drugs that all the school shooters seem to have in common.
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HNN had a teacher speaking. She was talking about how a suicidal student had access to a gun. Of course she left out access to ammo. I guess the parent leaves the gun out, but locks all the ammo.
This doesn't affect directly anyone here because we're all over 21. But wait till they raise the age to 25, then 30 and so on.
Same person -- wearing a baby?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=53974.msg484427#msg484427
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Same person -- wearing a baby?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=53974.msg484427#msg484427
She was wearing a baby. Teacher sounds like a commie.
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A lot of it is focused on suicide. But never hear them talk about parenting, responsibility, DEI, drugs, and other things that cause it.
They love to use emotion to ban things and this is one of them. They really don't care about suicides. I mean even suicide lady only brought it u once on how her daughter committed suicide. For 2 or 3 years prior to that 1 hearing, she never mention it, but we need to bad guns for her daughter who died by one.
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Apparently this is the person Wakai was referring to...or maybe he reads our forum and provided an answer
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/07/19/new-ammunition-law-inspired-by-young-woman-who-discovered-loophole/
A new Hawaii law makes it illegal to sell ammunition to anyone under 21.
The current state law prohibits owning a firearm if you’re under 21, but it didn’t restrict the purchase, ownership, or possession of ammunition by a person under age.
What’s the reason for the change?
It was inspired by a young woman who was going through tough times — and her research turned up a loophole. At a bill signing last week, 18-year-old Gianna Fabre stood in the crowd next to the governor.
Two years ago, Fabre says she was battling depression.
“It felt like I was losing my mind. I had dark thoughts. I ended up going to the hospital for it,” she said.
She prefers to keep some details private, but says she knew her father, a gun owner, had a weapon that was locked up. It’s during that time that she was doing research and discovered a loophole in the law.
“If they had an unsecured firearm in their house and they just wanted to go buy ammunition, before the bill they could at any age. There was no age restriction. It was kind of a dangerous loophole,” said Fabre.
She contacted her teacher, Nicole Nakasuji, who then contacted state Sen. Glenn Wakai.
That ledd to the bill signing less than a year later.
“I was told this is really unprecedented,” said Nakasuji. “I did not want any limelight. This is not about me. This is about the bill and the change that needed to happen and fixing the loophole,” she added.
Fabre says she was in Las Vegas in 2017 during the Las Vegas concert shooting so she wants to do whatever she can to prevent gun violence.
During the bill signing ceremony, she stood proudly with lawmakers and law enforcement to help protect young people and today she says she in a much better place.
Its interesting that she is battling depression and was in Vegas at the time of the 2017 concert shooting....
And apparently she was a member of the Moanalua air riflery team https://www.oiasports.com/assets/content/sports/air_riflery/OIA-Air-Riflery-Team-Scores---9_16.pdf?1695331277