2aHawaii
General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: macsak on September 15, 2024, 01:48:29 PM
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lived in hawaii for the last several years...
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https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/shooting-reported-at-donald-trumps-golf-club-while-ex-president-was-on-grounds/
The suspect — identified as Ryan Routh, 58, of Hawaii — was able to get between 300 to 500 yards of Trump at a chain link fence on the edge of the course where he had an AK-47 and a GoPro camera set up to apparently film the planned shooting.
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lived in hawaii for the last several years...
Excited for rhayder's 7 posts about this.
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Hawaii's Macadamia NUT.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAx5lSaU8t8
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i got to 1:44 in that video.
Uses words like collective and the good of others.
The irony is he doesn't understand why Russia doesn't demonstrate those values, yet we know that's the Socialist ideology -- collective good over individual rights.
He's so close to the truth, but he can't think critically in the context of the leaders of nations, including the US.
When you wish for a utopia and the capitalists are preventing it, you are by definition a socialist. You will justify violence against others in the name of achieving that utopia -- a paradise that has yet to succeed in any country in which it's been tried.
There's a reason for that, but the socialists will never accept it.
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Excited for rhayder's 7 posts about this.
He was warned about crossing the yellow line during a ceasefire
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Despite his criminal record;
Routh's eldest son, Oran, told CNN via text that Routh was "a loving and caring father, and honest hardworking man... I don't know what's happened in Florida, and I hope things have just been blown out of proportion, because from the little I've heard it doesn't sound like the man I know to do anything crazy, much less violent."
Background checks show Routh is originally from North Carolina. He has a criminal background that includes multiple felonies- one for Possessing a Weapon of Mass Destruction and one for Possessing Stolen Goods. He has a number of misdemeanor convictions as well. His criminal record goes back to 2001.
https://www.kitv.com/news/who-was-suspected-shooter-randy-routh/article_a4b33a7c-73eb-11ef-a78a-67d666b3fe4f.html
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I'm so curious as to what kind of weapon of mass destruction he got convicted for.
Front Loader?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtV0f2e6cgg
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lived in hawaii for the last several years...
that's probably where he got radicalized, surrounded by all the Hawaii TDS, no escaping it.
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https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/shooting-reported-at-donald-trumps-golf-club-while-ex-president-was-on-grounds/
The suspect — identified as Ryan Routh, 58, of Hawaii — was able to get between 300 to 500 yards of Trump at a chain link fence on the edge of the course where he had an AK-47 and a GoPro camera set up to apparently film the planned shooting.
I'd be surprised how anybody from Hawaii got an AK 47!
You have to beg the government to get a .22 cal single shot here.
Even going to the mainland gangs getting a true AK47 would be hard for anybody,
If I wanted an AK 47 I'd go to Africa,
:popcorn:
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Despite his criminal record;
Routh's eldest son, Oran, told CNN via text that Routh was "a loving and caring father, and honest hardworking man... I don't know what's happened in Florida, and I hope things have just been blown out of proportion, because from the little I've heard it doesn't sound like the man I know to do anything crazy, much less violent."
Background checks show Routh is originally from North Carolina. He has a criminal background that includes multiple felonies- one for Possessing a Weapon of Mass Destruction and one for Possessing Stolen Goods. He has a number of misdemeanor convictions as well. His criminal record goes back to 2001.
https://www.kitv.com/news/who-was-suspected-shooter-randy-routh/article_a4b33a7c-73eb-11ef-a78a-67d666b3fe4f.html
they left out the part with:
"In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, Oran claimed his dad is not a violent person and couldn't believe his father would target the president.
'This was the first I heard about it,' the 35-year-old said upon realizing his dad's involvement. 'Was my father shot or injured?'
He said his father hates Trump as 'every reasonable person does', adding ‘I don't like Trump either.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13854445/Donald-Trump-golf-course-shooter-Ryan-Wesley-neighbor.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13854445/Donald-Trump-golf-course-shooter-Ryan-Wesley-neighbor.html)
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I'm so curious as to what kind of weapon of mass destruction he got convicted for.
Front Loader?
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Convicted on "Trumped-up charges". :rofl:
...sorry for the bad joke. I couldn't resist.
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Convicted on "Trumped-up charges". :rofl:
...sorry for the bad joke. I couldn't resist.
:rofl: :thumbsup:
Seriously, though, I hope it becomes available. My guess is a grenade, maybe?
When I was in the National Guard we do annual training with live weapons and one of them is grenades. So we were training and if 60 grenades get issued, there very damn well have 60 expended grenade pins handed back in.
On that particular day, only 59 was handed in. (I'm using 60 as an example but what happened was one less grenade pin was not accounted for)
It's a big deal. They stood us in formation for hours, while they tried to figure out if it was stolen, being hidden, or if it was a logistical mistake.
After hours and hours of making sure everyone is accounted for while they figured it out, they seemingly solved the problem. What happened was never disclosed.
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:rofl: :thumbsup:
Seriously, though, I hope it becomes available. My guess is a grenade, maybe?
When I was in the National Guard we do annual training with live weapons and one of them is grenades. So we were training and if 60 grenades get issued, there very damn well have 60 expended grenade pins handed back in.
On that particular day, only 59 was handed in. (I'm using 60 as an example but what happened was one less grenade pin was not accounted for)
It's a big deal. They stood us in formation for hours, while they tried to figure out if it was stolen, being hidden, or if it was a logistical mistake.
After hours and hours of making sure everyone is accounted for while they figured it out, they seemingly solved the problem. What happened was never disclosed.
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The pic looks like a SKS with an AK type 30rd mag. I didn't see a pistol grip on the rifle.
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What did he do wrong? Do you support the 2A? He was practicing open carry on public property right? Did he break the law or was he just minding his own business and was fired upon?
The way most here criticize Hawaii Laws, I'm surprised more people aren't supporting his right to open carry.
Maybe this is incident is a reason that we should not allow open carry anywhere and need to have some regulations and restrictions. You might blame Florida's lax gun laws for this incident.
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What did he do wrong? Do you support the 2A? He was practicing open carry on public property right? Did he break the law or was he just minding his own business and was fired upon?
The way most here criticize Hawaii Laws, I'm surprised more people aren't supporting his right to open carry.
Maybe this is incident is a reason that we should not allow open carry anywhere and need to have some regulations and restrictions. You might blame Florida's lax gun laws for this incident.
Annnnddd here's the TDS again. You should read the LEO report as it answers all your questions.
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you can easily look up the charges if you don't know...
What did he do wrong? Do you support the 2A? He was practicing open carry on public property right? Did he break the law or was he just minding his own business and was fired upon?
The way most here criticize Hawaii Laws, I'm surprised more people aren't supporting his right to open carry.
Maybe this is incident is a reason that we should not allow open carry anywhere and need to have some regulations and restrictions. You might blame Florida's lax gun laws for this incident.
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What did he do wrong? Do you support the 2A? He was practicing open carry on public property right? Did he break the law or was he just minding his own business and was fired upon?
The way most here criticize Hawaii Laws, I'm surprised more people aren't supporting his right to open carry.
Maybe this is incident is a reason that we should not allow open carry anywhere and need to have some regulations and restrictions. You might blame Florida's lax gun laws for this incident.
According to witnesses, the barrel of the rifle was protruding through the fence before he was fired upon.
Pointing a firearm is not just open carrying. It's at a minimum brandishing. If it was pointed in the direction of someone, that's at least aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and/or terroristic threatening. if he fired the rifle, that's discharging his rifle illegally and attempted murder.
i'm sure given who he was shooting in the direction of, he'll have some more serious charges, too.
So, shut up about his 2A rights. Leave it to you to argue he has a constitutional right to shoot a rifle into a golf course.
:wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
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I'm so curious as to what kind of weapon of mass destruction he got convicted for.
Front Loader?
Routh pleaded guilty to possession of an unregistered fully automatic gun, which is defined in North Carolina law as a weapon of mass destruction and is a felony punishable by up to 59 months prison, according to the county district attorney's office and the Guilford County Superior Court's clerk office.
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So, shut up about his 2A rights. Leave it to you to argue he has a constitutional right to shoot a rifle into a golf course.
There is no proof he was pointing the rifle. Are you convicting him before trial? Maybe he is just an innocent person being persecuted by the corrupt DOJ? You always say government is corrupt and not to be trusted.
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He was charged with illegal possession of a firearm by a felon and possession of a weapon with an obliterated serial number and neither charge has yet been proven to be true.
So you support regulation that would:
1. Make it illegal for a felon to possess firearms
2. Make it illegal to possess a firearm without a serial number
That's a start. I think I would also agree to those restrictions.
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well, you looked up part of it
then you know he was a convicted felon and not allowed to possess firearms
so you should have guessed that we support the 2a here and open carry, but not for disallowed peeps...
Routh pleaded guilty to possession of an unregistered fully automatic gun, which is defined in North Carolina law as a weapon of mass destruction and is a felony punishable by up to 59 months prison, according to the county district attorney's office and the Guilford County Superior Court's clerk office.
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well, you looked up part of it
then you know he was a convicted felon and not allowed to possess firearms
so you should have guessed that we support the 2a here and open carry, but not for disallowed peeps...
Even if the felony was for owning an illegal firearm? What firearms do you think should be illegal?
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There is no proof he was pointing the rifle. Are you convicting him before trial? Maybe he is just an innocent person being persecuted by the corrupt DOJ? You always say government is corrupt and not to be trusted.
Are you convicting the Secret Service of attempted murder for shooting at a man who was not pointing his gun in an illegal fashion -- all before a trial?
Stupid.
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Even if the felony was for owning an illegal firearm? What firearms do you think should be illegal?
We already know what he was convicted of having -- an automatic firearm.
He's allowed to have it as long as it was acquired legally and the state doesn't prohibit it.
He lived in Hawaii, so we all know the answer: NFA items are forbidden to possess here.
Was the firearm manufactured or imported prior to the full auto ban?
Did he apply for and receive a tax stamp for owning an NFA controlled item?
Full autos are legal to own at the federal level if you follow the law. Asking what firearms should be banned is a deflection of the true facts.
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stop moving goalposts
he broke the law previously
he broke the law this weekend by possesing the SKS...0
Even if the felony was for owning an illegal firearm? What firearms do you think should be illegal?
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What did he do wrong? Do you support the 2A? He was practicing open carry on public property right? Did he break the law or was he just minding his own business and was fired upon?
The way most here criticize Hawaii Laws, I'm surprised more people aren't supporting his right to open carry.
Maybe this is incident is a reason that we should not allow open carry anywhere and need to have some regulations and restrictions. You might blame Florida's lax gun laws for this incident.
Are you being a wise guy or something? There's a difference between 2a rights and behaving in a criminal manner.
What do you mean minding his own business until fired upon? What kind of business do you think he had in mind, hiding in the bushes with a rifle and 2 backpacks with ballistic stopping material?
One source said he fired 4 or 5 rounds before the SS fired at him. Minding his own business?
It's evident where you stand on 2a rights with your "comment". Sarcastic troll.
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Are you being a wise guy or something? There's a difference between 2a rights and behaving in a criminal manner.
What do you mean minding his own business until fired upon? What kind of business do you think he had in mind, hiding in the bushes with a rifle and 2 backpacks with ballistic stopping material?
One source said he fired 4 or 5 rounds before the SS fired at him. Minding his own business?
It's evident where you stand on 2a rights with your "comment". Sarcastic troll.
I find it interesting that Hater only talks about the 2A on here when trying to use it against us law abiding gun owners.
He believes defending an obvious criminal's right to have and publicly carry firearms is what 2A supporters think.
If he doesn't believe that, then he's just trolling, like you said.
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Even if the felony was for owning an illegal firearm? What firearms do you think should be illegal?
We are law abiding gun owners, even if we don't agree with the law. So you're statement about him being convicted of owning a machine gun is irrelevant.
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The pic looks like a SKS with an AK type 30rd mag. I didn't see a pistol grip on the rifle.
Yup it's an SKS just look at the position of the magazine. Too far from the trigger housing unlike an AK. They called it an AK so that they can make their push to ban assault weapons.
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Even if the felony was for owning an illegal firearm? What firearms do you think should be illegal?
stop moving the yellow line
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Yup it's an SKS just look at the position of the magazine. Too far from the trigger housing unlike an AK. They called it an AK so that they can make their push to ban assault weapons.
it's been confirmed by the arfcom hive that it's an SKS, aftermarket stock kit. that makes it the gospel truth, since it's the internet.
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Rhyder does have a point. It is currently illegal for him to possess firearms, but those will be found unconstitutional in the future so I wouldn't push that too hard.
He could be charged with attempted murder/assassination even though he didn't shoot. Based on the equipment he has, past statements, and setting up his position with rifle at the ready. This might be challenging to prosecute. Or he might have pointed the rifle at the SS agents. Orhe could have violated laws if he purchased the rifle on the mainland. Or conspiracy if he had an accomplice. Also violating state laws.
It's not the equipment, it's the person behind it.
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I'm more concerned with why they're not catching these attempts ahead of time. Both attempts seem to be done by low skill idiots with equipment that is not optimal. Red dot scope on the first attempt. SKS on the 2nd.
And the 2nd shooter was there for 12 hours. The SS agents didn't screen the area prior? Doesn't the golf course have security that checks the former Presiden'ts property? Does Trump have his own private security detail considering many other high level CEO's spend millions each year on it? The gardener and maintenance crew didn't notice?
Imagine what a professional assassin could do.
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Bottom line Secret Service is not afforded the resources that a sitting president will have.
biden wants full blown protection for Trump now. Maybe this will improve things because I think Secret Service cannot make this decision. Recommendations probably, but not the decision.
But yeah, it is quite strange that someone could be camping out for 12 hrs. and not noticed by golf course maintenance, security, etc.
I thought the shooter actually fired off some shots but I guess he didn't. Initial reports claimed he did.
Yeah, that definitely will change how they bring up charges.
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saw a story that said that the treeline is often used by news crews and paparazzi trying to take pictures of trump
don't know why someone wasn't posted there or drones weren't being used...
Bottom line Secret Service is not afforded the resources that a sitting president will have.
biden wants full blown protection for Trump now. Maybe this will improve things because I think Secret Service cannot make this decision. Recommendations probably, but not the decision.
But yeah, it is quite strange that someone could be camping out for 12 hrs. and not noticed by golf course maintenance, security, etc.
I thought the shooter actually fired off some shots but I guess he didn't. Initial reports claimed he did.
Yeah, that definitely will change how they bring up charges.
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I'm more concerned with why they're not catching these attempts ahead of time. Both attempts seem to be done by low skill idiots with equipment that is not optimal. Red dot scope on the first attempt. SKS on the 2nd.
And the 2nd shooter was there for 12 hours. The SS agents didn't screen the area prior? Doesn't the golf course have security that checks the former Presiden'ts property? Does Trump have his own private security detail considering many other high level CEO's spend millions each year on it? The gardener and maintenance crew didn't notice?
Imagine what a professional assassin could do.
Might be an inside job. Trump golfs there often, but not every day. Did the shooter know to just wait or was he told that Trump would be there that day? Being within 500 yards and having the scope he has, its def a do-able shot. Luckily, he didn't have a line of sight yet. So at least someone screened the holes ahead for threats.
Things like this have never before happened to a candidate. I wonder if the SS will change their protocols now for assigning protection.
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Might be an inside job.
CIA comes to my mind. The other alphabet agencies are just soldiers, though they have also been weaponized to some degree or other.
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Desantis is refusing to turn him over to the FBI
Good for him. Don't want another Oswald oopsie.
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Desantis is refusing to turn him over to the FBI
Good for him. Don't want another Oswald oopsie.
I have visions of certain people cussing Desantis under their breath........
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desantis needs to make a statement that he is not suicidal...
I have visions of certain people cussing Desantis under their breath........
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desantis needs to make a statement that he is not suicidal...
They would need a doctor to make that determination. I wonder if a dentist would be sufficient. PHD, DDS, all same same.
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DOCTOR Jill Biden can determine...
They would need a doctor to make that determination. I wonder if a dentist would be sufficient. PHD, DDS, all same same.
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DOCTOR Jill Biden can determine...
She's great at evaluating mental competence. Ask her husband. On second thought, his answer might vary, depending on time of day, and if he finished his nap or not. ;)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Fh1YrBt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/D25Li2H.jpg)
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/son-suspected-would-be-trump-assassin-arrested-child-porn-charges
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(https://i.imgur.com/fLwbe6F.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b5A9Juk.jpg)
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His kid was arrested for child porn. Same thing like Vegas shooters brother. Seems suspect to me.
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#noteverythingisaconspiracy
His kid was arrested for child porn. Same thing like Vegas shooters brother. Seems suspect to me.
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#noteverythingisaconspiracy
linked to Diddy's arrest
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So shooter is offering a bounty of $150,000; but used tape to hold his scope on the gun...
Art of the Deal meets Sun Tzu. Trump will offer $150,001 to not accept the bounty. (Babylon Meme) "If there's a bounty, outbid the bounter" ~Trump Tzu
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So shooter is offering a bounty of $150,000; but used tape to hold his scope on the gun...
Art of the Deal meets Sun Tzu. Trump will offer $150,001 to not accept the bounty. (Babylon Meme) "If there's a bounty, outbid the bounter" ~Trump Tzu
The assassin (call him what he really is/attempted to be) will not be able to pay the bounty. Anyone who attempts to contact him for payment will be swooped down upon in a hot minute.
Just saying.