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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Kalihi Uka on August 27, 2025, 09:12:03 AM
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The demons are on the march. For those who still don't get it, we are at war.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mass-shooting-minneapolis-catholic-school-2-dead-many-injured-suspect-contained
One mag says "Where is your God?" This demon is burning in hell now, cut off from God for eternity.
I likely will have more to share with you folks regarding Communist incitement at UH ...
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Anyone who targets any school for any reason is a demon and a coward.
Period.
When will they start targeting gun ranges, police stations and military installations more than schools? (Hint: those people shoot back, so never)
Another blood-stained ballot dropped in the "why are we not protecting our children at school the way we protect government buildings?" box.
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I vote for ccw armed resource officers at schools.
As a condition of employment, each officer must practice live fire at least once per month at khsc. ...or something like that.
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This picture is from one of his now deleted videos (trans protection procedure #1 - delete all data) showing him looking into the bathroom mirror .....
The demonic is real my friends.
Infowars has amassed the most information on the deleted data that folks are digging up.
The usual Marxists are now calling for us to be disarmed in the wake of one of their own's attack on us. They will all be in their respective places in hell, and we will always have our firearms - that is how what they are doing will work out for them in the end.
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Of course, we know that you cannot stop crazy people from doing crazy things. That's why I suggested armed officers at schools. Problem is that people who are commissioned to carry guns rarely practice with them. I raised a lot of kids. I want the officers to be proficient with their choice of weapon. Hence, my previous suggestion about mandatory practice.
Crazy people will use any kind of weapon they can find. Knife, gun, fire, poison, etc,etc...
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Of course, we know that you cannot stop crazy people from doing crazy things. That's why I suggested armed officers at schools. Problem is that people who are commissioned to carry guns rarely practice with them. I raised a lot of kids. I want the officers to be proficient with their choice of weapon. Hence, my previous suggestion about mandatory practice.
Crazy people will use any kind of weapon they can find. Knife, gun, fire, poison, etc,etc...
Not just practice, but advanced training. Too many shooters avail themselves of body armor, ballistic helmets and other gear that can make it difficult to stop them with a couple of rounds. Training and practicing for more than forward-facing torso-only shots can be of value. Taking out a shooter might require shots to the extremities where the torso and head are well protected.
I think there needs to be a small cache of long guns strategically placed where trained faculty can get at them. Maybe even have a couple of shotguns with less lethal ammo for certain situations (not active shooters, of course).
So many tools available to make kids safer, but people seem to be more afraid of the solution than the problem itself.
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Christians and Jews - the demonic left is inciting the possessed to violence against you. Do what’s necessary to protect your places of worship.
The last time was just two months ago:
Wayne church security guard who killed gunman: 'We cannot let the devil stop us' - June 24, 2025
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-church-security-guard-who-killed-gunman-we-cannot-let-devil-stop-us
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The Left / libs don't believe in God.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-figures-lambast-prayers-wake-minnesota-church-shooting
"These children were probably praying when they were shot to death at Catholic school. Don't give us your f------ thoughts and prayers. Trump got rid of the Office of Gun Violence and Prevention. Trump gutted the resources that were in place to keep our communities safe," Rep. Maxwell Frost, D-Fla., wrote on social media.
Jeff Timmer of the Lincoln Project attacked Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on social media after Graham said he was praying for the Minneapolis community.
"The kids were praying when they died. How'd that work out, you obsequious coward? Now, f--- off," Timmer wrote.
The liberal MSNBC host followed up with another tweet, writing, "When kids are getting shot in their pews at a [C]atholic school mass and your crime plan is to have national guard [sic] put mulch down around DC maybe rethink your strategy."
"Thoughts and prayers, I’m so beyond that nonsense. The lie of that," MSNBC's Michael Steele said Wednesday.
In addition to Frost, other Democratic lawmakers also dismissed the notion of "thoughts and prayers" in the wake of the shooting.
"Thoughts & prayers are not enough—Congress must act to stop gun violence," Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., wrote on X.
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The Left / libs don't believe in God.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-figures-lambast-prayers-wake-minnesota-church-shooting
"These children were probably praying when they were shot to death at Catholic school. Don't give us your f------ thoughts and prayers. Trump got rid of the Office of Gun Violence and Prevention. Trump gutted the resources that were in place to keep our communities safe," Rep. Maxwell Frost, D-Fla., wrote on social media.
Jeff Timmer of the Lincoln Project attacked Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on social media after Graham said he was praying for the Minneapolis community.
"The kids were praying when they died. How'd that work out, you obsequious coward? Now, f--- off," Timmer wrote.
The liberal MSNBC host followed up with another tweet, writing, "When kids are getting shot in their pews at a [C]atholic school mass and your crime plan is to have national guard [sic] put mulch down around DC maybe rethink your strategy."
"Thoughts and prayers, I’m so beyond that nonsense. The lie of that," MSNBC's Michael Steele said Wednesday.
In addition to Frost, other Democratic lawmakers also dismissed the notion of "thoughts and prayers" in the wake of the shooting.
"Thoughts & prayers are not enough—Congress must act to stop gun violence," Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., wrote on X.
Yep - it all fits.
Who and what they are screams so loudly it completely drowns out any and all posturing and every carefully concocted lying narrative their diseased minds can produce.
It's awesome that they, having no conscience, and no moral intelligence, are completely incapable of grasping this.
That's why, for example, they can't fathom that THEY THEMSELVES GOT TRUMP ELECTED!
God's universe is endlessly fascinating.
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I saw a short about a guy with Downs Syndrome being a gun for someone (straw purchase).
So with that being said, can a schizophrenic, downs, etc...people buy a gun, or do all state/federal laws ban the from buying them?
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I saw a short about a guy with Downs Syndrome being a gun for someone (straw purchase).
So with that being said, can a schizophrenic, downs, etc...people buy a gun, or do all state/federal laws ban the from buying them?
Having Down syndrome does not automatically equate to being deemed a “mental defective.” That's the term used in federal law to deny someone the right to possess a firearm -- mental defective.
Down syndrome is not classified as a mental illness. It's a genetic disorder caused by the presence of all (or part) of a third copy of chromosome 21. It is usually associated with developmental delays, mild to moderate intellectual disability, and characteristic physical features.
So, yes, people with Downs can own firearms if they are not adjudicated to be mentally defective. A schizophrenic, however, is by definition a mental defective. That condition would prohibit firearm possession.
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I saw a short about a guy with Downs Syndrome being a gun for someone (straw purchase).
So with that being said, can a schizophrenic, downs, etc...people buy a gun, or do all state/federal laws ban the from buying them?
Someone with Down's Syndrome can identify as a gun for someone else to buy? Isn't that straw man prostitution?
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"As to the weapons used to perpetrate this horrific attack, there was a rifle,
a shotgun and a pistol. All three had been lawfully purchased by the shooter,"
O’Hara said. "At this stage, we believe that the shooter had acted alone.
There is no indication of other suspects directly involved in carrying out this
attack."
When asked by a reporter about where Westman obtained the weapons,
O’Hara only said, "I can tell you they were purchased recently."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/guns-used-minneapolis-church-school-shooter-robin-westman-were-purchased-legally-police-say
If I recall, transgenders were once classified under the DSM as suffering from body dysmorphia -- an actual mental illness which can manifest as eating disorders in some. Now trans are said to have gender dysphoria, which is not classified as a mental illness.
Although it’s a diagnosis named in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), it’s extremely important to understand that
gender dysphoria itself is not a mental illness or mental disorder.
https://www.talkspace.com/blog/body-dysphoria-vs-dysmorphia/
i think someone who isn't pushing an agenda needs to reevaluate the DSM and logically decide if gender dysphoria is actually more of a dysmorphia. But, that would be trampling on "Trans rights," huh?
i find it odd that someone compulsively starving themselves to be thinner is considered less mentally stable than someone who totally believes their whole body is the wrong gender. Seems like they are at the very least in the same realm of delusional.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/guns-used-minneapolis-church-school-shooter-robin-westman-were-purchased-legally-police-say
If I recall, transgenders were once classified under the DSM as suffering from body dysmorphia -- an actual mental illness which can manifest as eating disorders in some. Now trans are said to have gender dysphoria, which is not classified as a mental illness.https://www.talkspace.com/blog/body-dysphoria-vs-dysmorphia/
i think someone who isn't pushing an agenda needs to reevaluate the DSM and logically decide if gender dysphoria is actually more of a dysmorphia. But, that would be trampling on "Trans rights," huh?
i find it odd that someone compulsively starving themselves to be thinner is considered less mentally stable than someone who totally believes their whole body is the wrong gender. Seems like they are at the very least in the same realm of delusional.
Politics corrupts science.
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Someone with Down's Syndrome can identify as a gun for someone else to buy? Isn't that straw man prostitution?
If a guy can think he's a gal, then a downs can think they're a gun. Focus, no wrong word typed.
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If a guy can think he's a gal, then a downs can think they're a gun. Focus, no wrong word typed.
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I think the discussion of Trans => de facto mental disorder disqualifying for firearm ownership, is an interesting one.
I think this is where the onerous permitting process to screen for valid mental illness makes a good point about it's unfortunate necessity: If an applicant has documented mental health issues that "society" deems sufficient to preclude firearm ownership, then they should be denied. Sexual proclivity is not a factor in this calculus. I.e. I personally don't have reason to believe that being Trans alone is de facto evidence of mental health issues of this nature.
On the other hand, this kid was completely whacked, Minnesota disqualifies ownership based on mental illness, and yet the statement is "the firearms were purchased legally." ??????????
Is it that he literally had no mental health medical history? - or, more ominously, that there was tons of it, but it was all made exempt from assessment because of the Marxist belief in the sacredness of Trans - Minnesota IS every bit the Marxist shithole Hawaii is, after all.
Couldn't you just see Tampon Tim loudly proclaiming the sacredness of trans after signing legislation to declare all trans exempt from such laws, etc., all surrounded by grinning corpulent Karens and cross-dressers? - sure you can.
If so, that should be a monstrous scandal, as their Marxism directly caused a mass murder in a church.
If anyone has more information relevant to this - please enlighten me.
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When you're dealing with actual demons it's important to remember that the person infected by them has a sickness and the root of the problem is not something that can be solved with bullets and nooses.
What we are experiencing now is what happens when a society that replaces God with Mammon and confuses prayer with ego gratification mantras.
If you see someone killing kids then shoot them in the dick just in case they are wearing body armor, but if you're not regularly praying then you share some of the responsibility for what our society has become.
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I think the discussion of Trans => de facto mental disorder disqualifying for firearm ownership, is an interesting one.
I think this is where the onerous permitting process to screen for valid mental illness makes a good point about it's unfortunate necessity: If an applicant has documented mental health issues that "society" deems sufficient to preclude firearm ownership, then they should be denied. Sexual proclivity is not a factor in this calculus. I.e. I personally don't have reason to believe that being Trans alone is de facto evidence of mental health issues of this nature.
On the other hand, this kid was completely whacked, Minnesota disqualifies ownership based on mental illness, and yet the statement is "the firearms were purchased legally." ??????????
Is it that he literally had no mental health medical history? - or, more ominously, that there was tons of it, but it was all made exempt from assessment because of the Marxist belief in the sacredness of Trans - Minnesota IS every bit the Marxist shithole Hawaii is, after all.
Couldn't you just see Tampon Tim loudly proclaiming the sacredness of trans after signing legislation to declare all trans exempt from such laws, etc., all surrounded by grinning corpulent Karens and cross-dressers? - sure you can.
If so, that should be a monstrous scandal, as their Marxism directly caused a mass murder in a church.
If anyone has more information relevant to this - please enlighten me.
It is an academically researched fact that the rate of suicidal actions among
transgender people, as well as LGBTQ+ individuals more broadly, is far higher
than the wider population, particularly among young people.
While some studies suggest cases of suicide or suicide attempts among
transgender people are linked to feelings of unhappiness with their physical
appearance, others have indicated the rise in young people exhibiting gender
dysphoria might be in part a product of wider mental health issues.
The issue has come to light again as many states have introduced legislation
to limit gender-affirming health care for young people identifying as transgender.
Proponents say they are doing so over concerns that minors are being harmed
by gender-affirming procedures, while opponents say they are limiting transgender
rights and worsening the mental health of those who feel they are trapped in the
wrong body.
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A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent
of transgender people had attempted suicide. It found that interpersonal
microaggressions and emotional neglect by family members were the leading
contributors to the attempts.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent
of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison,
the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention
organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary
have attempted suicide.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-transgender-attempted-suicide-rate-1791504
Suicide is a symptom of underlying mental illness, and recognizing indicators of
poor mental health and providing necessary support and intervention is important.
https://geroshealth.com/is-suicide-a-mental-illness/
Many mental health disorders—including depression, bipolar disorder, borderline
personality disorder, and PTSD—come with a heightened risk of suicidal thoughts
or attempts. Symptoms of despair, emptiness, or hopelessness may lead someone
with depression, bipolar disorder, or PTSD to consider taking their own life; in
disorders such as borderline personality disorder, ADHD, or bipolar disorder,
mood swings or impulsivity can contribute to suicidality. While seeking help for
suicidal thoughts or behaviors is critical regardless of the cause, securing a specific
diagnosis may help the individual receive treatment—especially ongoing treatment—
that is best suited to their mental health needs.
It’s also important to remember that while the majority of people who die by suicide
have a diagnosable mental health condition of some kind, it is not universally the
case. Addressing social, cultural, and economic risk factors is also a critical part of
suicide prevention.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/suicide/mental-health-conditions-suicide
So, if we use deductive reasoning, for a population to have at least one factor in common (trans) to also have a 40% to 41% suicide attempt rate, AND if "the majority of people who die by suicide have diagnosable mental health condition," we can predict that the majority of that 40%+ rate for trans suicide attempts have a diagnosable mental health condition.
A new study from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law finds that 81% of
transgender adults in the U.S. have thought about suicide, 42% of transgender
adults have attempted it, and 56% have engaged in non-suicidal self-injury over
their lifetimes.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher
suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95%
CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls,
the risk was 5.03-fold higher before propensity matching and remained
significant at 4.71-fold after matching (3.50% vs. 0.74%, RR 95% CI 2.46-9.024,
p < 0.0001) for the gender affirmation patients with similar results with the
pharyngitis controls.
Conclusion
Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a
significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive
post-procedure psychiatric support.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/
I think it's pretty clear statistically that trying to affirm one's transgender identity is enabling a mental health problem in the majority of cases whether or not they have already attempted suicide. Suicide attempts is one of the main talking points for "gender-affirming care." But, we can see from the results, trans surgery patients are 12 times more likely to attempt suicide than those who remain trans only in their minds.
This data stands alone as an argument that transgenders have a mental problem. But the common sense aspect tells me that anyone who actually and honestly believes they are living in the wrong BODY is delusional, and it's up to society to treat the delusion, not "affirm" it.
If I was still in high school and told the nurse, "I'm Jesus Christ. I've returned to save mankind from the Antichrist," how long do you think before I'm reported to mental health officials for being delusional? Yet, if I walk in and say, "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body and want to use drastic hormonal and surgical treatments to make my body look like a woman," the response will be, "Let's make you an appointment to get those puberty blockers!"
It's malpractice at the least -- evil at its worst. They are playing along with a delusion (a symptom) instead of treating the cause.
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When you're dealing with actual demons it's important to remember that the person infected by them has a sickness and the root of the problem is not something that can be solved with bullets and nooses.
debatable.
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debatable.
Calls for personal responsibility are generally unwelcome these days. People want ozempic instead of cutting out seed oils and intermittent fasting.
Our society has rejected divinity and now the demons are having a field day, It’s not a difficult concept.
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If I write in on my PTA that I am a 4'-2'' 310lb African American with blonde hair and green eyes with the nationality of Platypus because I truly believe it, would they think I am a "mental defective"?
B Same as being born a male and thinking you are a female equates to being deemed a “mental defective.”
That's the term used in federal law to deny someone the right to possess a firearm -- mental defective.
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don't forget about Furries
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In general terms, the dictionary defines delusion as:
b
psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or
persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable
evidence to the contrary
the delusion that someone was out to hurt him
also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/delusion
So, someone who is demonstrably one gender based on biological evidence such as chromosomes and anatomy but who believes themselves to be the opposite gender -- or worse, some made-up gender-fluid identity -- is by definition delusional.
Want to pretend to be a woman and spend time as a drag queen? Fine. Just don't force everyone around you to pretend you're an actual woman and then get homicidal when someone 'misgenders' you or uses words other than "your preferred pronouns."
Little kids pretend to be superheroes, dogs, cats, bunnies, bakers, mechanics, etc. The stores are full of toys that help them get the most out of pretending. But, when kids grow up, we don't affirm their irrational beliefs, nor are we ever expected to. Using an Easy-Bake Oven doesn't qualify you to be hired by the local bakery or Costco to make cakes for them.
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don't forget about Furries
I'm not the expert, but I believe there are 2 types: the ones who dress up for sexual reasons, and the ones who took the identity too far and has the delusion they are actually an animal. The definitions have bled over from Furry Fandom to attach themselves to the term Furry alone, so there's a bit of confusion when trying to talk about one versus the other.
"Furry Fandom" is where fans attribute human characteristics to animals: speech, walking on 2 legs, exhibiting human intelligence and facial expressions, and wearing clothes. Basically what you see in most cartoon animals. That term is also used for people who gather on the Internet and at furry conventions to meet other fans. These people are associated with the term "anthropomorphic", which means assigning human attributes.
It's funny, when you visit the Furry Wikipedia site, the first thing the server does is verify that you are HUMAN! :rofl:
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Furry
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Calls for personal responsibility are generally unwelcome these days. People want ozempic instead of cutting out seed oils and intermittent fasting.
Our society has rejected divinity and now the demons are having a field day, It’s not a difficult concept.
This is absolutely true.
It’s a funny thing about human beings, that most of the most powerful physical forces in our physical world are completely invisible to us, I.e. gravity, etc. In our social world of economics - mass movements of expectation in the minds of people - not physically visible - but moving real world quantities and markets, etc. - and we have no issues whatsoever in accepting these as real.
And yet “modern” man reflexively rejects any notion that good and evil can be real forces completely analogous to these.
I suspect that one subliminal reason is that, at a core level of our being, we know that to acknowledge it immediately puts us on the hook …
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https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-transgender-attempted-suicide-rate-1791504https://geroshealth.com/is-suicide-a-mental-illness/https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/suicide/mental-health-conditions-suicide
So, if we use deductive reasoning, for a population to have at least one factor in common (trans) to also have a 40% to 41% suicide attempt rate, AND if "the majority of people who die by suicide have diagnosable mental health condition," we can predict that the majority of that 40%+ rate for trans suicide attempts have a diagnosable mental health condition.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/
I think it's pretty clear statistically that trying to affirm one's transgender identity is enabling a mental health problem in the majority of cases whether or not they have already attempted suicide. Suicide attempts is one of the main talking points for "gender-affirming care." But, we can see from the results, trans surgery patients are 12 times more likely to attempt suicide than those who remain trans only in their minds.
This data stands alone as an argument that transgenders have a mental problem. But the common sense aspect tells me that anyone who actually and honestly believes they are living in the wrong BODY is delusional, and it's up to society to treat the delusion, not "affirm" it.
If I was still in high school and told the nurse, "I'm Jesus Christ. I've returned to save mankind from the Antichrist," how long do you think before I'm reported to mental health officials for being delusional? Yet, if I walk in and say, "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body and want to use drastic hormonal and surgical treatments to make my body look like a woman," the response will be, "Let's make you an appointment to get those puberty blockers!"
It's malpractice at the least -- evil at its worst. They are playing along with a delusion (a symptom) instead of treating the cause.
I understand your argument here, and certainly with respect to suicide, but reiterate that, on its own, sexual proclivity should not be a factor with respect to constitutional rights.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to change out of my negligee to pick up my wife downtown.
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don't forget about Furries
Does the selector switch on your ar go to uwu?
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Does the selector switch on your ar go to uwu?
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Ok, forget everything I said.
These fuckers should never have access to firearms, under any circumstances, ever.
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I understand your argument here, and certainly with respect to suicide, but reiterate that, on its own, sexual proclivity should not be a factor with respect to constitutional rights.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to change out of my negligee to pick up my wife downtown.
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means!
"Sexual proclivity" refers to a person's natural inclination or preference towards certain sexual behaviors or activities, which can include specific desires or interests in sexual relationships. It often encompasses a range of sexual preferences and tendencies.
That would be more relevant to whether a person prefers certain genders over others, has no real preference, or is into S&M, etc. It isn't directly related to gender identity.
"On its own", if a person displays a specific symptom that is associated primarily with a mental illness or condition, then one specific constitutional right -- the right to keep and bear arms -- needs to be more strictly verified. Just like HI requires a clearance letter to buy a gun for some individuals, so should the feds if there is a documented history of behaviors and actions that require further examination. I don't see the problem with asking that someone who exhibits symptoms that may signal a mental problem be examined more closely to rule that problem out. But the symptoms need to be specific, such as having a delusional belief in something that is obviously not true -- i.e. in the wrong body.
HI had to stop requiring letters UNLESS the individual was diagnosed with an actual mental defect. In the federal realm, they should have sufficient justification for requiring a mental health exam for specific symptoms.
I, too, want to want to keep guns out of the wrong hands. Mental health is one area I think we can improve as it relates to guns, but only if we stop treating certain mental illnesses as a badge of honor and bravery.
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i keep thinking back to Silence of the Lambs, and how "Buffalo Bill" was trying to make a woman suit to become a woman.
He'd applied for sex reassignment and been rejected at the nearest transgender surgical institutions, because he failed the psychological review. He obviously was a deranged individual, but his desire to be a woman was the delusion that should have been the clue into his mental state long before he became a serial kidnapper and killer.
The stats I gave are about suicides. But, what if we added in murderers, sexual abusers, child molesters, rapists, prostitutes and other such criminals where the perp was a transgender? Suicides get attention because of the talking point the gender affirming care prevents suicides (which is false). I predict if we added all the crimes committed by transgenders on top of the attempted suicides, we'd find a trend that indicates a sociopathic or psychopathic personality in the majority of that "community." In other words, the numbers have to be worse than the suicides alone indicate.
I don't agree with putting "transgender" on the ATF4473 application as a reason for summary denial. But it should require a deeper dive into the person's behavioral history and mental state. If we want to reduce suicides in general, why not look for statistically significant factors case by case?
Have you ever had a relationship with someone who is mentally unwell? They can be the nicest, friendliest, most trustworthy person you ever met, at least until something triggers a break. Then they can be violent, uncontrollable, and totally irrational. it might not take much for them to believe you're now their worst enemy and meanto harm them. How they react is unpredictable. Definitely not someone you give the combo to your gunsafe to.
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I'm not sure that word means what you think it means!
"Sexual proclivity" refers to a person's natural inclination or preference towards certain sexual behaviors or activities, which can include specific desires or interests in sexual relationships. It often encompasses a range of sexual preferences and tendencies.
That would be more relevant to whether a person prefers certain genders over others, has no real preference, or is into S&M, etc. It isn't directly related to gender identity.
"On its own", if a person displays a specific symptom that is associated primarily with a mental illness or condition, then one specific constitutional right -- the right to keep and bear arms -- needs to be more strictly verified. Just like HI requires a clearance letter to buy a gun for some individuals, so should the feds if there is a documented history of behaviors and actions that require further examination. I don't see the problem with asking that someone who exhibits symptoms that may signal a mental problem be examined more closely to rule that problem out. But the symptoms need to be specific, such as having a delusional belief in something that is obviously not true -- i.e. in the wrong body.
HI had to stop requiring letters UNLESS the individual was diagnosed with an actual mental defect. In the federal realm, they should have sufficient justification for requiring a mental health exam for specific symptoms.
I, too, want to want to keep guns out of the wrong hands. Mental health is one area I think we can improve as it relates to guns, but only if we stop treating certain mental illnesses as a badge of honor and bravery.
Whoa pardner - who’s talking about badges of bravery?
I think we’re talking past each other here. Objectively, I do not believe someone who is a transvestite is de facto mentally ill for the purposes voiding their 2A rights, just as I would say for homosexuals or lesbians.
Do I consider these things as “disordered”? - yes, in my personal view, but there are innumerable human disorders … maybe as many as there are people :wacko: …
Interestingly, this kid didn’t believe himself to be a female, and regretted his drift into trans hell. He was mentally ill and there is strong evidence of at minimum demonic obsession (that is a thing) involved here.
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In 2024, the United States witnessed a significant uptick in acts of hostility targeting churches, with a total of 436 documented incidents—a sharp increase from 315 in 2023 and nearly double the 230 reported in 2022.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/stats-show-shocking-surge-attacks-churches-america
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Whoa pardner - who’s talking about badges of bravery?
I think we’re talking past each other here. Objectively, I do not believe someone who is a transvestite is de facto mentally ill for the purposes voiding their 2A rights, just as I would say for homosexuals or lesbians.
Do I consider these things as “disordered”? - yes, in my personal view, but there are innumerable human disorders … maybe as many as there are people :wacko: …
Interestingly, this kid didn’t believe himself to be a female, and regretted his drift into trans hell. He was mentally ill and there is strong evidence of at minimum demonic obsession (that is a thing) involved here.
i never said you were talking about badges of honor or bravery. That's what the trans activists do. "He's so brave for announcing to the world he's no longer a she!"
And I draw a bright line between transvestites vs. transgenders. So, i also don't consider transvestites mentally defective as a general rule. I don't think anyone has mentioned transvestites here until you did now.
I'm purposely trying to avoid analyzing \ or discussing the transgender shooter in MN. His case should be examined independently of the transgender population as a whole.
My whole purpose in these posts is to persuade you (or anyone else) that being truly transgender is a symptom of an underlying mental illness, defect or condition (pick a noun). It begins with a condition and manifests as a delusion. That alone should force gun sellers and the government who do background checks to to a more thorough mental health investigation before permitting a gun purchase.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else was included to show this is not just an opinion based on feelings and anecdotes, or even current events in the news. It's founded on science, evidence, stats and psychological teachings.
I didn't imagine the facts. I'm just reporting them.
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Ok Mr. Jackson, here’s some science:
Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study
Jonathon W Wanta 1,,*, Joshua D Niforatos 2, Emily Durbak 3, Adele Viguera 4, Murat Altinay 4
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PMCID: PMC6830528 PMID: 31701012
“Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least one psychiatric diagnosis compared with 13.6% (n=7,311,780) in the control patient population (p<0.0005). Transgender patients had a statistically significant increase in prevalence for all psychiatric diagnoses queried, with major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder being the most common diagnoses (31% and 12%, respectively). Utilizing an all-payer database, although not without limitations, enables assessment of mental health and substance use diagnoses in this otherwise small population.”
So according to this data, transgender folks have much higher incidence 58% versus 13% in the control group, of at least one psychiatric diagnosis. However this doesn’t seem to square with “being truly transgender is a symptom of an underlying mental illness, defect or condition” as you suggest.
42% had no evidence of psychiatric diagnosis.
I’m sticking with not de facto, let the medical records speak to psychological suitability to own firearms.
My only dog in this fight is the one that likes to give a fair shake, under law, to all comers, that’s all.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6830528/
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Ok Mr. Jackson, here’s some science:
Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study
Jonathon W Wanta 1,,*, Joshua D Niforatos 2, Emily Durbak 3, Adele Viguera 4, Murat Altinay 4
Author information
Article notes
Copyright and License information
PMCID: PMC6830528 PMID: 31701012
“Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least one psychiatric diagnosis compared with 13.6% (n=7,311,780) in the control patient population (p<0.0005). Transgender patients had a statistically significant increase in prevalence for all psychiatric diagnoses queried, with major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder being the most common diagnoses (31% and 12%, respectively). Utilizing an all-payer database, although not without limitations, enables assessment of mental health and substance use diagnoses in this otherwise small population.”
So according to this data, transgender folks have much higher incidence 58% versus 13% in the control group, of at least one psychiatric diagnosis. However this doesn’t seem to square with “being truly transgender is a symptom of an underlying mental illness, defect or condition” as you suggest.
42% had no evidence of psychiatric diagnosis.
I’m sticking with not de facto, let the medical records speak to psychological suitability to own firearms.
My only dog in this fight is the one that likes to give a fair shake, under law, to all comers, that’s all.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6830528/
You're free to believe anything you want, just like a transgender. Just don't expect me to affirm your beliefs when there's evidence to the contrary.
In your mind, if it's not 100%, then there's no reason to stigmatize the whole population -- because almost 60% having a mental problem isn't significant.
Also in your mind, transgender in and of itself is not a mental defect since it's no longer identified as one. Transgenderism has been (and many still do) associated with body dysmorphia. That's a DSM certified mental illness/defect. In order to make transgenders more politically protected, similar to the LGB community, the condition was reclassified as gender (or body) dysphoria. It's still in the DSM, but it's no longer considered part of body dysmorphia, hence no longer a mental illness. The psychiatric community basically gave gender it's own category so they could tailor their diagnoses, treatments and societal activism efforts toward gender without the obvious pushback of it being a real mental illness.
I find it amazing that this diagnosis has only been around for 12 years, but people act like it was taken from the gospel.
I do appreciate that science is always making new discoveries, but in this instance, it seems to coincide with the movement to normalize and even entice others to adopt this delusion as if it's reality.
Gender Dysphoria (GD) became a psychiatric diagnosis in the fifth edition
of DSM (2013), and Gender Incongruence (GI) appeared in ICD-11, the
WHO classification that was approved in 2019 and should be effective in
2022.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9286744/
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You're free to believe anything you want, just like a transgender. Just don't expect me to affirm your beliefs when there's evidence to the contrary.
In your mind, if it's not 100%, then there's no reason to stigmatize the whole population -- because almost 60% having a mental problem isn't significant.
Also in your mind, transgender in and of itself is not a mental defect since it's no longer identified as one. Transgenderism has been (and many still do) associated with body dysmorphia. That's a DSM certified mental illness/defect. In order to make transgenders more politically protected, similar to the LGB community, the condition was reclassified as gender (or body) dysphoria. It's still in the DSM, but it's no longer considered part of body dysmorphia, hence no longer a mental illness. The psychiatric community basically gave gender it's own category so they could tailor their diagnoses, treatments and societal activism efforts toward gender without the obvious pushback of it being a real mental illness.
I find it amazing that this diagnosis has only been around for 12 years, but people act like it was taken from the gospel.
I do appreciate that science is always making new discoveries, but in this instance, it seems to coincide with the movement to normalize and even entice others to adopt this delusion as if it's reality.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9286744/
Hey, when it comes to the question of denying an American of their rights under the 2A, I believe in treading extremely carefully, without prejudice, under law.
That is what I believe. Anything short of that is the Devils playground for our opponents, and I will deny them that to best of my ability, at every turn.
That is the sum total of my position on this. I don’t presume you take the contrary to that, so let us move on to cocktails.
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If the courts can go after the parents of mass shooters for owning guns, then they should also be handing out extended prison sentences for the doctors who do this kind of stuff.
https://x.com/ResisttheMS/status/1879925796367630790
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Hey, when it comes to the question of denying an American of their rights under the 2A, I believe in treading extremely carefully, without prejudice, under law.
That is what I believe. Anything short of that is the Devils playground for our opponents, and I will deny them that to best of my ability, at every turn.
That is the sum total of my position on this. I don’t presume you take the contrary to that, so let us move on to cocktails.
Then we're in agreement, as i said the same thing many times on this thread. I just added that there needs to be a more in-depth mental health review for anyone showing symptoms of a mental illness including gender dysphoria (formerly known as body dysmorphia). There needs to be a default setting of "let's vet this person more carefully to see if there are reasonable grounds for denial," as opposed to a default of "the book says it's not a mental defect, so that's good enough for us."
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Then we're in agreement, as i said the same thing many times on this thread. I just added that there needs to be a more in-depth mental health review for anyone showing symptoms of a mental illness including gender dysphoria (formerly known as body dysmorphia). There needs to be a default setting of "let's vet this person more carefully to see if there are reasonable grounds for denial," as opposed to a default of "the book says it's not a mental defect, so that's good enough for us."
Next time you and the boys ride into town, l’ll buy you a drink in the saloon - maybe the whole bottle, if it’s payday.
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Ban trans.
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Since we want to be truthful here, I just wanted to note that as someone whose career involved the analysis and presentation of statistical data - every day - the absence of data sources on this thing is a big red flag.
So I clicked on it to go to the source, and this is what’s there:
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/08/fact-check-fake-viral-chart-misrepresents-data-about-transgender-people-involved-in-mass-shootings.html
You don’t want to loose a valid fight over an issue by using data that is vulnerable to being discredited by your opponents. This is NOT a swipe at the individual who posted this, in any way - it’s about the reliability of the data shown in the chart. That’s life on the internet.
That is all.
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Since we want to be truthful here, I just wanted to note that as someone whose career involved the analysis and presentation of statistical data - every day - the absence of data sources on this thing is a big red flag.
So I clicked on it to go to the source, and this is what’s there:
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/08/fact-check-fake-viral-chart-misrepresents-data-about-transgender-people-involved-in-mass-shootings.html
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Good catch. We want to stay accurate as possible so we can't be discredited.