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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: cox308 on January 22, 2013, 02:39:30 AM
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I've been hearing about a 2nd gun rally at the state capital on Feb 8th 2013 at 10:00am. Has anyone else heard anything.
We have to keep up with this activist stuff if we're going to show them we are serious!
Feb 8th is a Friday so please plan acordingly and spread the word!
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Please carry on doing these so when I get over there I can come along too :shaka: :shaka:
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Saw this in the other thread.
Second event Feb. 8th
PEACEFUL 2A RIGHTS DEMONSTRATION at every state capitol.
Friday February 8th from 10:00 AM to 12 PM.
https://www.facebook.com/events/406312512782872/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/406312512782872/)
Might I suggest that everyone plan to visit their legislators' offices after the rally is over? Just wondering if they might be out for lunch though.
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That's a Friday....... Ok, will try putting in a vacation day.....
Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup:
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note what it says on the FB page-
DO NOT call it guns across america
they got some nasty emails when one state called it that
That's a Friday....... Ok, will try putting in a vacation day.....
Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup:
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Will be there with some friends in tow as well :shaka:
Boomah
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i might be able ot make some of it, but i got class at 1130.
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I'll be there...This time with a sign...
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i can make this one.
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This one separate event from Guns Across America but still a Go Feb. 8, 10 am-12 noon
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Gun Rights Across America is planning on issuing another update/statement this Thursday for that next rally.
Note updated name:
Gunrightsacrossamerica.com
The Next call to action, will be announced on Thursday morning.
http://www.facebook.com/GunRightsAcrossAmerica (http://www.facebook.com/GunRightsAcrossAmerica)
I know some expressed they would help organize another local meeting(s) for us to hui together so let's work on that now.
Also if you haven't already, please sign up on http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/ (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/) to get on email list etc. to keep abreast of the new proposals and get ready to submit testimony and/or appear!
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Is there a flyer for this event? I've been telling the LGS about it but a flyer would be great. Some still have the flyer for the last event posted.
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I'll be there. Where does everyone park?
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Here's a flyer I found off their FB page. No mention of permits obtained etc. so may have to remain on the sidewalks.
GRAA (Gun Rights Across America) announcement today was another rally, Operation Sheriff Reach, on March 13 at a local central location, such as your county courthouse, town square, or sheriff's department.
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I'll be there. Where does everyone park?
Under the legislature, parking is a dollar an hour if you can find one. Four hour limit.
Another cheap parking downtown under 2 hour is Ali'i Place.
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I will support any peaceful rally/statement/action in support of the Bill of Rights :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Here's a flyer I found off their FB page. No mention of permits obtained etc. so may have to remain on the sidewalks.
GRAA (Gun Rights Across America) announcement today was another rally, Operation Sheriff Reach, on March 13 at a local central location, such as your county courthouse, town square, or sheriff's department.
we can't afford to wait until march, there are bills that are going through the state house as we speak, one of the representatives said before a bill is introduce there is a informal poll taken. He feels there will be some type of ban passed.
feb 8th sounds good to me, in the meantime write and call your representatives.
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We should really focus on 2A day, which is 2/22. Too much going on and that day will lose supporters.
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We should really focus on 2A day, which is 2/22. Too much going on and that day will lose supporters.
this is the first I heard of this one. is this national or local?
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Guys, we are running short of time to organize and publicize this.
We either do 2/8, 2/22 or do both!
For something this important, I can't think of any reason not to do both. :)
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Need numbers and my humble opinion is this needs to happen on a Saturday to have a chance. Many can't attend a weekday event, parking will be tighter and the press will jump at the chance to show the small numbers of 2A supporters in Hawaii. To me a crowd of 500 on a Saturday has more impact than a group of 50 on a weekday.
Just my 2 cents.
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Guys, we are running short of time to organize and publicize this.
We either do 2/8, 2/22 or do both!
For something this important, I can't think of any reason not to do both. :)
THIS.
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Busy social gun rights activist calendar eh? :D
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Pre-meeting Monday Feb. 4 @ 8pm, Starbucks Airport Trade Center, 550 Paiea St.
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2/7 HRA Board / General Meeting 5:30-7:30pm Hilo Hatties on Nimitz, meeting room - Open to ALL gun enthusiasts and club members!
(Everybody here should be HDF and NRA/HRA members. Is more important than ever!)
2/8 State Capitol Rally Friday 10AM - 12noon
2/22 HDF Guns and Coffee Friday at Starbucks!
https://www.facebook.com/events/335181916541922/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/events/335181916541922/?fref=ts)
2-23 Day of Resistance Saturday - link below updated!
http://www.dayofresistance.com/ (http://www.dayofresistance.com/)
3/13 *** edit: After talking to a Sheriff today, he indicated the "Chief" Sheriff office is on S. Beretania at the "S.O.T." bldg, so I need to get more info. He also indicated that no formal statement had been given to them yet regarding any new gun bans or restrictions, and their duties are different than the mainland Sheriffs. So I think this is barking up the wrong tree here and won't be pursuing this further unless other info says it would be beneficial to us.
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I think we need sooner the better until we get these new bills voted down. On one of the previous post someone listed all the representatives, i copied the whole list and put them all in a bcc and myself in the to address bar, and wrote them an email explaining what I thought about these new bills.
there are some bills being voted on next week I believe so we need to act now. Make sure you are emailing and calling your reps at least until these initial bills are done.
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My wife, kids and I were at the last one. I will be there on Feb 8th if this is a go!
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this helps our cause, but we need to keep up the pressure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/24/why-filibuster-reform-didnt-happen/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/24/why-filibuster-reform-didnt-happen/)
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: 202-224-2541
And after you have called Mitch McConnell, please call both of your U.S. Senators and demand they vote against Harry Reid's attempt to destroy the Senate filibuster.
Sen. Mazie Hirono: (202) 225-4906
Sen. Brian Schatz: (202) 224-3121
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This proves the President has limited power, he needs to follow the law
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1)
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This proves the President has limited power, he needs to follow the law
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1)
Yes! Exactly! And no more of this Executive Order b.s. There are 3 branches of Government to provide us the checks and balances of a working system - NOT A DICTATORSHIP.
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Busy social gun rights activist calendar eh? :D
Pre-meeting Tentative this Sunday, loc TBD
2/7 HRA Board Meeting (more info to follow)
(Everybody here should be HDF and NRA/HRA members. Is more important than ever!)
2/8 Capitol Rally Friday 10AM - 12noon
2/22 HDF Rally Friday!
3/13 Sheriff Reach Wednesday
(they are part of DHS now fwiw. we should get to know them and vice versa)
Is the 2/7 HRA meeting open to folks here? I'd like to attend. (I am an HRA member). Please pm me time and place.
I'm adding all these to my calendar now. What time and place for the 2/22 and 3/13 events?
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Is the 2/7 HRA meeting open to folks here? I'd like to attend. (I am an HRA member). Please pm me time and place.
I'm adding all these to my calendar now. What time and place for the 2/22 and 3/13 events?
PM sent :)
3/13 *** edit: After talking to a Sheriff today, he indicated the "Chief" Sheriff office is on S. Beretania at the "S.O.T." bldg, so I need to get more info. He also indicated that no formal statement had been given to them yet regarding any new gun bans or restrictions, and their duties are different than the mainland Sheriffs. So I think this is barking up the wrong tree here and won't be pursuing this further unless other info says it would be beneficial to us.
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Hickok45 Update ( 2nd Amendment Rally on February 8th) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80tRM6m7KM#ws)
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Hickok45 making some good points. Some day we may have to "starve the beast" by not going to work, not sending in tax payments, not complying. This is at the very far outside I hope, but the way things are going fear it may not be. So he is asking who will take this one day out now in peaceful protest!
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Do we have one or do we need to get a permit for this event?
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did everyone here sign the petition for hb426?
If not please sign here.
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6191.0 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6191.0)
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BTT and very sorry for late notice - pre-meet up tonight is on if can make it, we be there couple hours?
Open to all to attend!
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Pre-meeting this Tuesday evening 6pm, Starbucks Airport Trade Center, 550 Paiea St.
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Ack... Just saw this now.
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E kala mai, we've been scrambling behind the scenes best we can.
We will meet again Monday Feb. 4 at 8pm same loc, Starbucks Airport Trade Center 550 Paiea - See you there if can make it!
And another follow up Thursday Feb. 7 5:30-7:30pm with HRA at Hilo Hatties meeting room on Nimitz.
Tonight our Band of Brothers expanded with more HRA members present, who gave us the run down on the first Victory with the non-passage of HB426 today!
The wind is with us, let's keep the momentum going!
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Just to keep things straight...
There is another call to action!!
FRIDAY (yes Friday...gasp, a work day!!) February 8th 10am to noon at the State Capital.
Please please please be there. This is one of the most important reasons to take the day off work.
Or take a half day since it's just 2 hours of your time to support your ability to keep and use firearms!
This is important. You can see what large groups of us can do... we killed that instructor liability bill today!
It's good that people here normally don't say anything so that when there is a time to react such as this, it is overwhelming to the representatives because they don't normally see the types of attendance and feedback that we've been submitting thus far.
So let's keep up the pressure and keep this going because our very Rights are at stake!
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See you there! ;D
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Just to keep things straight...
There is another call to action!!
FRIDAY (yes Friday...gasp, a work day!!) February 8th 10am to noon at the State Capital.
Please please please be there. This is one of the most important reasons to take the day off work.
Or take a half day since it's just 2 hours of your time to support your ability to keep and use firearms!
This is important. You can see what large groups of us can do... we killed that instructor liability bill today!
It's good that people here normally don't say anything so that when there is a time to react such as this, it is overwhelming to the representatives because they don't normally see the types of attendance and feedback that we've been submitting thus far.
So let's keep up the pressure and keep this going because our very Rights are at stake!
Is this to hear a bill or for the rally?
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Is this to hear a bill or for the rally?
this is for a rally along with the rest of the Nation.
please be there if you can.... for ALL of these "call to actions".
it truly makes a difference. our representatives said so themselves.
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it was mentioned that our some of our elected officials vote the way the "activists" affect them....
meaning that those groups that make the loudest noise, get the votes!!
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I'll be there for sure
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Just to keep things straight...
There is another call to action!!
FRIDAY (yes Friday...gasp, a work day!!) February 8th 10am to noon at the State Capital.
Please please please be there. This is one of the most important reasons to take the day off work.
Or take a half day since it's just 2 hours of your time to support your ability to keep and use firearms!
This is important. You can see what large groups of us can do... we killed that instructor liability bill today!
It's good that people here normally don't say anything so that when there is a time to react such as this, it is overwhelming to the representatives because they don't normally see the types of attendance and feedback that we've been submitting thus far.
So let's keep up the pressure and keep this going because our very Rights are at stake!
I'm there! thanks Duchi, for the confirmation this is happening. I will be there, probably with my gf, and hopefully my dad and some other family.
Make it a point to get there everybody! We need to GROW the numbers!
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this is for a rally along with the rest of the Nation.
please be there if you can.... for ALL of these "call to actions".
it truly makes a difference. our representatives said so themselves.
i will surely be there. would love to meet more members.
flyboy you gonna be there?
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i will surely be there. would love to meet more members.
flyboy you gonna be there?
Fridays are excellent days for me! I'm still deciding on what to wear... *freaks out like a girl before first date*
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Fridays are excellent days for me! I'm still deciding on what to wear... *freaks out like a girl before first date*
there's more truth to that statement than anyone realizes. I'll give you a hint, its between like and before. :rofl:
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there's more truth to that statement than anyone realizes. I'll give you a hint, its between like and before. :rofl:
...asshole. :rofl:
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omg, you getting me all nervous now, to meet some random person on the internet that i share similar interests with. is that even safe. oh yeah. no homo
Im sorry but your gonna have to do a background check first!!!!!
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omg, you getting me all nervous now, to meet some random person on the internet that i share similar interests with. is that even safe. Im sorry but your gonna have to do a background check first!!!!!
My rap sheet is clean. Just don't require a psych test. :geekdanc:
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hahahahhahahah
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in a previous life, i was a moderator on a model/brand specific car forum
a member from the mainland visited HI and we met to have a drink
he told me that he had to explain to his in-laws that he was taking a break from a honeymoon trip with them to, "have a drink with a guy he met on the internet"
omg, you getting me all nervous now, to meet some random person on the internet that i share similar interests with. is that even safe. oh yeah. no homo
Im sorry but your gonna have to do a background check first!!!!!
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i really wish this were saturday. i have class all day friday.
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in a previous life, i was a moderator on a model/brand specific car forum
a member from the mainland visited HI and we met to have a drink
he told me that he had to explain to his in-laws that he was taking a break from a honeymoon trip with them to, "have a drink with a guy he met on the internet"
Car forums or car audio?
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cars
it's pretty easy to find me, even though the forum closed a few years ago
i should be harvesting this weekend
what days do you work next week?
Car forums or car audio?
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tues-thurs
6-5pm
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Hey is anyone specific organizing this?
I thought this was another Guns Across America protest, but it's not huh? Will HRA or LIFE folks be involved or other gun clubs for that matter?
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Hey is anyone specific organizing this?
I thought this was another Guns Across America protest, but it's not huh? Will HRA or LIFE folks be involved or other gun clubs for that matter?
unfortunately Gun rights across America's next event isn't until March 13. I know that some of the LIFE and HRA guys are going though. We are meeting monday evening to discuss if you would like to attend.
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unfortunately Gun rights across America's next event isn't until March 13. I know that some of the LIFE and HRA guys are going though. We are meeting monday evening to discuss if you would like to attend.
Thanks for the quick response min41! Okay, I see the events list back in the thread now "Pre-meeting Monday Feb. 4 @ 8pm, Starbucks Airport Trade Center, 550 Paiea St." I'm gonna check my calendar before I say I'm coming.. Should I notify anyone if I am, or just show up and look for someone in an 2A or HRA t-shirt?
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you could just message that your coming, or just show up. you should notice us, we're not the preppy looking group that typically hangs out there. it might be the empty holsters we're wearing or the camo's might give us away, lol. jk.
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This rally would also be a good place to spread the word about 2ahawaii dont you think? We should mention it to whoever we talk with there. If you have a 2a shirt you should wear it and maybe we could even sell some shirts there.
I also hand out stickers and I tell everyone about 2ahawaii, facebook, emails etc. most firearm owners haven't even heard about 2a.
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sb932 is also scheduled to be heard this day. perhaps after we all waive signs we can all make it to the hearing to submit testimony.
the hearing starts at 135pm in room 229
hopefully everyone that makes it out to waive signs can also make it to the hearing. this is truly the way to get our message heard.
hope to see you all there.
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February 8th Rally - BE THERE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-gFkIqtcg#ws)
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See you guys tomorrow!
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I will do my very best to be there, at minimum I will drive past several times and honk in support of 2A and all of you. It's really tough for me to get away from work, and my truck is too big to find parking around there.
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Sorry to be a bother but Hawaii requires a permit for events with more than 25 people otherwise they consider it an unlawful assembly. Did someone get a permit for this. I'd rather not be arrested tomorrow.
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Sorry to be a bother but Hawaii requires a permit for events with more than 25 people otherwise they consider it an unlawful assembly. Did someone get a permit for this. I'd rather not be arrested tomorrow.
if you stay on the sidewalk and don't block it, you can be there. look up the aclu's website. I saw it there last rally before we had the permit.
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Hi guys, there's 3 of us here. Where are you all?
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Hi guys, there's 3 of us here. Where are you all?
Enroute... Cya'll in a few :shaka:
Boomah
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We've doubled in size to 6! See you all soon! :)
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We've got about 9 now :( so sad....
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mahalo for all of you that were able to show up
We've got about 9 now :( so sad....
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We got to about 10 people and are gonna go eat lunch. Hope you guys show up for the 1:35pm hearing this afternoon.
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What the fuck? I take hours off work, bus downtown, and find myself at a rally of one. You worthless fucknuts!
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Meh. This was disappointing today. I'm sitting down feeding the fish now, waiting for SB932 to be heard.
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Meh. This was disappointing today. I'm sitting down feeding the fish now, waiting for SB932 to be heard.
yeah, if I had known that there was this little commitment, I'd have taken off a little later in the day and testified in person. i thought that this way, participating in the rally and emailing in testimony, I could make a larger impact. Looks like I learned something today!
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many thanks to you guys for representing
don't be discouraged, we need to do what we can help
yeah, if I had known that there was this little commitment, I'd have taken off a little later in the day and testified in person. i thought that this way, participating in the rally and emailing in testimony, I could make a larger impact. Looks like I learned something today!
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Do not be discouraged. Post the pics, every single person made the effort to show up! My count was 13 including Sandra + her friends that were sitting down. It was scheduled for 10-noon so no fouls there and luckily for me no parking ticket :D
Afterwards, I ran into a Father and his daughter from Eugene, OR at Iolani Palace and we spoke at length about the anti-gun legislation. Just because he saw a sticker on my heap. 2A supporters are out there my friends. So keep it up no matter how big or small the effort - IT COUNTS.
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Meh. This was disappointing today. I'm sitting down feeding the fish now, waiting for SB932 to be heard.
You can't just wing getting a bunch of people out there. You also have protest burnout to deal with. Not to mention the weekday issues.
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What the fuck? I take hours off work, bus downtown, and find myself at a rally of one. You worthless fucknuts!
Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at this "rally of one" hahaha
Like Funtimes said, weekday issues, working on taxes since the vast majority of the population has no idea how to navigate the Internal Revenue Code.
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Hi guys, there's 3 of us here. Where are you all?
in classes. had a test today.
weekdays are hard, guys. not everyone will be able to get off.
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Really unfortunate we couldn't get a lot of people out there. I'm looking at pics from the other gatherings around the nation and they have much more people. I think here it was due to the lack of knowledge about this event and Hawaii's not a pro 2a state. Ill tell my friends to join here so they're more aware in the future
Its also a lack of scarifie people are willing to make a to be there....
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Very difficult for DoD to show on a work day and also the potential to end up being filmed to boot is not good depending on rank/position within the DoD (military & civilian).
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Very difficult for DoD to show on a work day and also the potential to end up being filmed to boot is not good depending on rank/position within the DoD (military & civilian).
I did sign some leave today but I too feel the need to avoid being on camera ;) Weekday had to be the biggest factor in the low turnout.
Still enjoyed putting faces to the forum names, great meeting the folks that showed up. Sorry I couldn't stick around for the hearing, will be there when SB219 hits the floor for sure!
Boomah :shaka:
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I think lack of organization. I didn't know if this rally was happening or not happening. I assumed not. Last rally, there was no doubt. The 2aHawaii moderator sent an email. the gun stores had leaflets. OGC sent a tweet. Very well publicized.
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I try to encourage people to go to 2ahawaii.com to get in touch with the 2a community here locally.
I am an HRA member and went to the HRA meeting last night. I announced today's rally and folks were going, "What rally? What time is that tomorrow?" It would have been nice for the 50+ people at the meeting yesterday to have shown up today at least but yeah, short notice and I understand that not everyone could have made it.
I wonder if people think that 2aHawaii.com is some other club in competition with their own clubs. I don't see 2aHawaii.com as a club but just as an online forum for the Hawaii 2A community.
Please encourage people to go to 2aHawaii.com, regardless of what club people belong to. I can't think of a more active website for this community than this and think this is the best place to get the latest information of common interest to our group.
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Good to meet some of you online guys offline today. (hnl.flyboy, cox308, bass monkey, aiea78, boomah.)
Sorry we missed you Tom_G. We made the best of today and must have been eating free manapua at the 4th floor when you came.
No worries... we'll be there again for the next get together. Hopefully with more folks next time.
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Maybe someone should design a shirt that we can wear around town and at events such as this, that has the website on it and what we stand for
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Maybe someone should design a shirt that we can wear around town and at events such as this, that has the website on it and what we stand for
Scroll to top of this page, click on "store". Right nex to "logout"
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http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf)
this is the list of testimonies submitted so far. I see duchi's and hnl.flyboys.
sorry I couldn't make it today, I forgot I had a meeting at HCC. My boss wanted me to take off and go to the rally but unfortunately I couldn't.
funtimes is right, it was just bad timing. one bad showing doesn't change a thing. keep up the fight.
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http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf)
this is the list of testimonies submitted so far. I see duchi's and hnl.flyboys.
You need to look closer. I see over a dozen forum members.
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Even Hickok45 only had a hundred at his 20 but others had more. This is all still grassroots so yeah we need to reach out locally more. I don't think we can wait for another organized rally as these bills are going forth now. We need a flyer listing each one with testimony info, dates, etc. and every shop needs a stack. Maybe even some kind of announcement in whatever local rags can like MidWeek or an insert? A radio campaign it cost 3k but that was a great way to spread info wide. Is HRA PAC or whatever working on getting the word out? I couldn't make the meeting Thursday night, if anyone knows please post some info.
Lastly I'd still like the pics from today, PM if you don't want to post publicly, though we have nothing to be embarrassed about, low turnout vs. the first one which was smashing for Hawaii!
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We proudly pledge our support to become new Founding
Fathers and join with a new kind of society—where decency
and respect require no special day on the calendar, where boys
are taught that violence does not equal strength, and where
men stand with courage and conviction to speak with one voice
to say, “No more.”
"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
STAY IN THE FIGHT! WE AIN'T DONE BY A LONGSHOT.
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You need to look closer. I see over a dozen forum members.
I'm sure there are. I don't know everyones screen name. Adam L. was on the list. I remember he started one of the petitions.
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i think its good to have rallies. it shows the public that we are not a small group and can come together to organize. we are many different people. we look different and each love different types of firearms.
i also think its good to submit testimony online in support or opposition of a bill. when they pull out a fat stack( a few hundred thick) of opposition, its quite impressive. watching the aide lug that around.
However, nothing beats showing up in person to submit testimony if at all possible.
during the hearing yesterday, i wasnt sure if i was going to testify. was quite nervous actually.
after sitting through and listening to everyone else, i decided that i would. nearly everyone else represented an alphabet organization. i had to at least say something, as a firearms owner in hawaii.
me, flyboy, and someone else, dont remember his name, were the only independent ones.
after the hearing many thanked us and shaked our hands for giving testimony.
i think its good to show a presence during the hearings. were just normal law abiding firearm owners, and they need to see us, know that we have an interest at stake as well, and are individuals who will show up if necessary.
Im not trying to put down anyone else for their efforts, so i hope that it doesnt sound that way. :shaka: , There are many hats that we can wear, and i encourage you all, if you have never been to a hearing before to submit testimony, or have been to nervous, or cant get off work, you should make it down at least once in your life. its an awesome feeling.
:shaka: :shaka:
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You need to look closer. I see over a dozen forum members.
I know a lot of forum members signed the petition. I just have yet to learn all of you guys' names! ;D
However, nothing beats showing up in person to submit testimony if at all possible.
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i had to at least say something, as a firearms owner in hawaii.
me, flyboy, and someone else, dont remember his name, were the only independent ones.
I'm all for doing the rallies, but overall, I feel submitting online testimony, and if at all possible, showing up in person and speaking to them face to face makes the biggest difference.
I could hear my own voice shaking when I went up. I've never really been great at speaking in front of people, especially "important" officials. Still, I feel showing that you're there because you believe in something strikes harder to the legislators because you're not representing an organization. You're representing yourself and the rest of your community, and sacrificing your own time to be there.