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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: dirsh on April 08, 2013, 05:09:55 PM
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3083217598/tulammo-ammunition-223-remington-55-grain-full-metal-jacket-bi-metal-steel-case (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3083217598/tulammo-ammunition-223-remington-55-grain-full-metal-jacket-bi-metal-steel-case)
case of 223 for $241.99!
I can't wait till our local prices come down
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I'll believe ammo prices are going down when bulk .22lr goes back to under 30 bucks for a brick (500-550 rounds)!!! they should be a 1/3 of the price at least!
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I know what you mean. 22lr is in so high demand right now. I'm glad I stocked up before the craze
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NICE!!! But wait until it goes $189 circa 2010
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I can't wait till our local prices come down
+1 :thumbsup:
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local prices are coming down, bit by bit. it seems that every lot of 5.56/223 that OGC pulls in gets cheaper by the case from the high when it was, i believe 700 a case.
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Barrel wearing Tula, yuck... And its already sold out too!
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Now if only reloading supplies would come back in stock and at prices that they used to be.
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STOKED! that's definitely a good sign. there are so many naysayers spewing all this crap about prices being as high as they are for a long time to come...can be disheartening. but this is good news definitely, and i bet prices will go WAY down, lower than pre-panic because demand won't keep up with supply and not the other way around.
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i bet prices will go WAY down, lower than pre-panic because demand won't keep up with supply and not the other way around.
I agree
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Think again! California passes per-round taxes on ammunition to pay for gun violence and mental health..... When people start to stockpile ahead of the taxes, prices will follow again!
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/california-approves-92m-ammo-tax-combat-gun-violence (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/california-approves-92m-ammo-tax-combat-gun-violence)
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Think again! California passes per-round taxes on ammunition to pay for gun violence and mental health..... When people start to stockpile ahead of the taxes, prices will follow again!
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/california-approves-92m-ammo-tax-combat-gun-violence (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/california-approves-92m-ammo-tax-combat-gun-violence)
Is there any other sources for this? That link is the only one Google fu finds
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I know what you mean. 22lr is in so high demand right now. I'm glad I stocked up before the craze
Went to one of the LGS here in Kona the other day for some 22LR. Just whatever cheap stuff they had.
$16 for like a little ziplock bag of 100
Umm... Yeah...
You know, I get the whole supply and demand thing. But I also know that customers are the key to any business. The way I see it, I would rather not try to make as much profit as possible on a given item but instead make a repeat customer out of a sale that will in turn go out and tell someone else who will tell someone else and so on. So basically instead of making just a couple bucks on some ammo they made not a cent and I won't even bother going back in there again. I'll just do my shopping online. I don't think that business model will last long.
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Did you try asking them about it? What if their cost was really high because they were just trying to get anything in to help out their customers? It's extremely hard to get ammo right now and some shops even buy it at retail if that's all they can get.
I would get the facts before getting upset.
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Is there any other sources for this? That link is the only one Google fu finds
How about the horses a@@, I mean mouth!!
http://youtu.be/xSvI999eHE0 (http://youtu.be/xSvI999eHE0)
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I found a lot of links about them introducing it, but nothing about them passing it. I would think that if was passed, it would be all over the news
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I found a lot of links about them introducing it, but nothing about them passing it. I would think that if was passed, it would be all over the news
If I have to do all the work for you, I will!! :wacko:
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtml (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtml)
AB-187 Taxation: ammunition: School-Based Early Mental Health Intervention and Prevention Services Matching Grant Program: Public Safety Emergency Prevention Fund.
DATE: 05/13/13
RESULT: (PASS)
LOCATION: Asm Revenue and Taxation
AYES: 5
NOES: 3
NVR: 1
MOTION: Do pass as amended and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
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The biggest problem for shops is unless you have a contract ammo supply you have to wait your turn. Meanwhile they have to scramble to get ammo from other shops or buy it from other suppliers. Sometimes paying retail just to get ammo to sell. Worse case is having to buy it in bulk from a mainland middleman on the east coast.
SUPPLY AND DAMN DEMAND!!!
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Went to one of the LGS here in Kona the other day for some 22LR. Just whatever cheap stuff they had.
$16 for like a little ziplock bag of 100
Umm... Yeah...
You know, I get the whole supply and demand thing. But I also know that customers are the key to any business. The way I see it, I would rather not try to make as much profit as possible on a given item but instead make a repeat customer out of a sale that will in turn go out and tell someone else who will tell someone else and so on. So basically instead of making just a couple bucks on some ammo they made not a cent and I won't even bother going back in there again. I'll just do my shopping online. I don't think that business model will last long.
My guess is not all shops buy direct at rock bottom prices. Think about ammo volume on the Big Island versus somewhere like Arizona or Texas. We get the short end of the stick and while we don't like the prices, it is not like we have a choice. I see a lot of empty shelves and I don't blame the gun shops one bit because I don't see them trying to make a killing on ammo. I see them getting whatever they can get their hands on and trying to make a little $$ but ultimately trying to keep their customers happy. There just isn't a whole lot of ammo to be had and I would imagine that Hawaii is pretty much low on the priority list for suppliers.
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:thumbsup:
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cost of goods sold, cost of doing business + mark up = profit ..............................hopefully
Not sure what you were thinking on that post! You seem to lump all costs + seller mark up into profit! Not making any sense there. Maybe you were thinking (price of goods sold) MINUS (cost of doing business + markup) = profit??
More like:
PRODUCT COST +
OVERHEAD COST +
TAXES +
MARK-UP (PROFIT) =
CONSUMER PRICE
The one aspect I don't think people see is availability of product (supply), and its effect on consumer prices.
Example: a store has $1,000/week overhead expenses. It normally sells on average100 items per week.
Assuming all items are the same thing/cost (let's go with Sporting Rifles), that means
they have to add $10 ($1,000 OH/100 items) to each item.
That excludes tax and profit, but this is just for illustration.
However, if they were unable to receive any new products for weeks, and what deliveries they did get were less than normal due to high demand, then they may only have 50 items to sell this week.
That's $1,000 OH/50 items = $20 additional cost per item.
The result is a higher price for the end buyer.
The Store makes no more profit, but the extra money per item does keep the employees paid, the building's doors open and the lights turned on.
It's not about taking advantage of the panic, pleasing customers, or earning more profit.
It's about math. If you take in less revenue than you have to spend for any reason, then you aren't going to have to worry about customer satisfaction for very long!
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If I have to do all the work for you, I will!! :wacko:
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtml (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtml)
AB-187 Taxation: ammunition: School-Based Early Mental Health Intervention and Prevention Services Matching Grant Program: Public Safety Emergency Prevention Fund.
DATE: 05/13/13
RESULT: (PASS)
LOCATION: Asm Revenue and Taxation
AYES: 5
NOES: 3
NVR: 1
MOTION: Do pass as amended and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
link doesn't work for me
but did find this:
Latest Info: 05/18/2013 - AB 187 now resides in the Assembly Appropriations Committee. Please call AND e-mail members of that committee and urge a NO vote.
from this page: http://nramemberscouncils.com/ (http://nramemberscouncils.com/)
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Try later. Looks like the site's just not responding now. All I get is the headers and nothing in the body or search results.
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My guess is not all shops buy direct at rock bottom prices. Think about ammo volume on the Big Island versus somewhere like Arizona or Texas. We get the short end of the stick and while we don't like the prices, it is not like we have a choice. I see a lot of empty shelves and I don't blame the gun shops one bit because I don't see them trying to make a killing on ammo. I see them getting whatever they can get their hands on and trying to make a little $$ but ultimately trying to keep their customers happy. There just isn't a whole lot of ammo to be had and I would imagine that Hawaii is pretty much low on the priority list for suppliers.
Well when I can go to one of their competitors, who is also overpriced and buy 22lr for half the price or less I call that gouging. And thats fine. I will just choose to take my business elsewhere.
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Well when I can go to one of their competitors, who is also overpriced and buy 22lr for half the price or less I call that gouging. And thats fine. I will just choose to take my business elsewhere.
That is the way to do it. Vote with your wallet! I bet the guy that had the bagged ammo bought it from his competitor for what you paid, then bagged it and marked it up :shaka:
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The biggest problem for shops is unless you have a contract ammo supply you have to wait your turn. Meanwhile they have to scramble to get ammo from other shops or buy it from other suppliers. Sometimes paying retail just to get ammo to sell. Worse case is having to buy it in bulk from a mainland middleman on the east coast.
SUPPLY AND DAMN DEMAND!!!
Even that doesn't guarantee anything anymore, our contract deliveries are so late its not even funny, the manufacturers response? Cancel if you want, if you don't want it the line is 18 months long and you can go to the back.
We are still getting delivers we ordered in 2010/2011! Many don't realize we had to fight to keep the shelves stocked since the day we opened. Only now, its a fight we can't always win.
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I've been out of the country since November and will be returning in a couple of weeks. It's been interesting to follow all the insanity going on back home in the States. I'm curious, how difficult is it to get 5.56 on Oahu? I talk to OGC every now and then and even had one of my rifles transferred there from Tennessee, but I don't really have much SA on how things are actually playing out back home. Is it even possible to get 5.56? I've followed the "how's the line at HPD?" thread quite a bit and I'm happy to see it back to pre-spool up days. But I'm quite interested to hear what I'm walking back into. I've got no 5.56 rounds to speak of and maybe only 2 boxes of 20 ga for the Rem 870.
When I left for deployment my thinking was, "I'll just stock up when I get home." I'll never forget sitting in the galley and watching the news about Newtown. My buddies and I were looking at eachother with an, "Oh shit" kinda reaction. Not only for the tragedy that took place, but how much we knew Obama was going to leverage that over us. Anyways, looking for yall to gouge me up on what's really going on back home. I've researched a couple shops on the mainland that claim to ship ammo and mags but each time I order, they cancel because they refuse to ship to Hawaii. What gives? I find myself getting in arguments with them and it goes like this, "Sorry, bro we can't ship there." "Why not, it's legal. I'm a paying customer and meet all the requirements." "No can, sorry, just too risky." "Well that makes you either a complete idiot or just ignorant. Thanks for nothin." I'm thinking this is exactly what Obama wants which is for society to treat gun owners the way tobacco users are treated. He can't pass the laws he wants, but his nasty attitude to us (even among shooters) is spreading like cancer. "Sure it's legal to own a gun, but any true civilized person wouldn't own one of those dangerous things!" So now we carry a stigma and are considered to be on the fringe of society. Rant complete. Standing by.
TENECN
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5.56 is still quite hard to come by. I miss the days of $.30-$.35 a round. Now it seems like prices are double that if you can find any.
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Someone posted yesterday on http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=8744.0 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=8744.0)
Security Equipment has 5.56 Federal (XM193?) for $550/case.
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Its been almost 6 months since everything started and things still arent coming back to normal :(. Really didnt think it would take 1 to 2 years for things to come back
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I just spent two weeks in the UK, and let me tell you how thankful I am to at least have the rights we have today in this country. In Scotland, you need a permit to buy a shotgun and you must be able to prove that you have a reason to own one. Handguns and rifles are almost completely banned. Even the UK shooting team has to practice abroad because of their laws. It's truly amazing. I'm learning to count my blessings!
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Its been almost 6 months since everything started and things still arent coming back to normal :(. Really didnt think it would take 1 to 2 years for things to come back
This is significantly better than 4 years ago. Last time we were sucking wind for anything at this point.
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Stores have to spend more to get supplies and mark it up to keep their store shelves stocked. With demand high and supplies low I don't blame them. If you dont like the prices, there are others around. Keep in mind travel time and gas prices, its not always cheaper to shop around.
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$259 for a case of Wolf 7.62x39!!!!
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW76239MFMJ&utm_source=AIM+Surplus+Main+List&utm_campaign=fbc7337347-07112013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6870497a6a-fbc7337347-18414953 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW76239MFMJ&utm_source=AIM+Surplus+Main+List&utm_campaign=fbc7337347-07112013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6870497a6a-fbc7337347-18414953)
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>:D
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>:D
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$259 for a case of Wolf 7.62x39!!!!
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW76239MFMJ&utm_source=AIM+Surplus+Main+List&utm_campaign=fbc7337347-07112013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6870497a6a-fbc7337347-18414953 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW76239MFMJ&utm_source=AIM+Surplus+Main+List&utm_campaign=fbc7337347-07112013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6870497a6a-fbc7337347-18414953)
Never gets old crying "Wolf!", does it?!
:D