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Title: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 28, 2013, 09:39:09 PM
So, I applied for my CCW last Thursday.

It was a painless process, just needed 2 passport photos and had to fill out some paperwork. The application asked for the guns info, (serial #, make, model, caliber etc) which I would intend to conceal, along with my info which was was basically the same as a handgun permit application. On the back was the section where you explain why you feel the need to conceal. There were also medical waivers, and a basic questionnaire.

**FYI you need to have your handgun's actual registration and 2 passport photos with you to apply.....I learned this the hard way**

I'd like to see how many of us have applied and I'd also like to know how they replied and/or denied the application.

Any info/input would be greatly appreciated...mahalo!! :shaka:
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: TeamMidori on April 28, 2013, 09:42:06 PM
So it's for a specific weapon?
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 28, 2013, 09:49:14 PM
So it's for a specific weapon?
Yes, exactly.

I believe that the CCW permit, if issued, would contain the handguns info on it along with your picture and personal info.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: bass monkey on April 28, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
Dang where can you apply for passports photos? I never had one in my life
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: djsmiles808 on April 28, 2013, 10:09:30 PM
Dang where can you apply for passports photos? I never had one in my life
believe its just passport sized photos. walmart should be able to do it
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 28, 2013, 10:09:47 PM
Dang where can you apply for passports photos? I never had one in my life
Costco does them for about $5 for 4 and 15 minutes later you get them.

I think Longs Drugs also does them.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: moosed on April 28, 2013, 10:13:28 PM
Dang where can you apply for passports photos? I never had one in my life

Costco, Walgreens, ... pretty much any place with a photo service area.

Walmart has an online service.  Upload the picture, edit, order, and pick up at the local store!   :thumbsup:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Passport-Photos/19766552 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Passport-Photos/19766552)
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on April 28, 2013, 10:14:56 PM
Wtf so even if you do get one it's only for one gun?!  So much for switching carry guns, or if you eventually sell it. 

Edit:  So I looked at the application form in the other thread and there are multiple boxes to put different firearms in, so I'm assuming you can put a bunch of guns there you wanna carry?
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: TeamMidori on April 28, 2013, 10:17:50 PM
Hopefully u can put all of em on the permit. Jus bring ur stack and when they ask which gun say "these".
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: shock808 on April 28, 2013, 10:19:17 PM
Wtf so even if you do get one it's only for one gun?!  So much for switching carry guns, or if you eventually sell it. 

Edit:  So I looked at the application form in the other thread and there are multiple boxes to put different firearms in, so I'm assuming you can put a bunch of guns there you wanna carry?
It's even like that in states that actually approve CCW permits. I was reading about getting one in Nevada, and it was only for a specific firearm.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 28, 2013, 10:19:31 PM
Wtf so even if you do get one it's only for one gun?!
That's how it seems. The current application only had 1 spot for handgun. But on the older CCW application it allowed for 3 i believe.....not sure why it changed or if you're allowed to register more than one.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: moosed on April 28, 2013, 10:21:23 PM
Also, according to HRS ยง134-9  Licenses to carry ...

Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.

A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license

I read it as you only have to pay when** the license is granted!  Maybe if the state REALLY NEEDS more revenue to balance the budget, they can start granting licenses?
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: dirsh on April 28, 2013, 10:32:55 PM
does the chief personally review applications and approves (denies) them? what do they base their decisions on?
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: moosed on April 28, 2013, 10:35:52 PM
does the chief personally review applications and approves (denies) them? what do they base their decisions on?

The "official" answer:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0009.htm (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0009.htm)

I'm sure the reality is somewhat less rational...
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: jonjon on April 28, 2013, 10:36:36 PM
It's even like that in states that actually approve CCW permits. I was reading about getting one in Nevada, and it was only for a specific firearm.

For Nevada its by handgun type - revolver, semi auto or both. You are allowed to CCW any handgun of your choice if you have qualified for both revolvers and semi autos.
I just received my Nevada CCW a couple weeks ago after applying in December, I qualified with a Glock 19 so on my permit it states I can only CCW semi autos.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: dirtylickins on April 28, 2013, 10:43:59 PM
I love the enthusiasm. I dont care if theres only 1 gun... just let me have 1 thats all i want :shake:
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 28, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
Here's the form. Sorry the quality is poor, took pic with my phone before I filled it out. On the back is the area where you explain why you want/need a ccw permit.

(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp135/PLANETPIZZO/CCWFORM.jpg) (http://s405.photobucket.com/user/PLANETPIZZO/media/CCWFORM.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 28, 2013, 11:04:38 PM
I love the enthusiasm. I dont care if theres only 1 gun... just let me have 1 thats all i want :shake:
Exactly....1 is better than none!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: moosed on April 28, 2013, 11:12:42 PM
Here's the form. Sorry the quality is poor, took pic with my phone before I filled it out. On the back is the area where you explain why you want/need a ccw permit.

Thanks!  Now we have something to study! 

Racial extraction??  I might have to use a lifeline for that one!!
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on April 28, 2013, 11:46:51 PM
Thanks!  Now we have something to study! 

Racial extraction??  I might have to use a lifeline for that one!!

Fancy way of asking if your white black Asian or hispanic
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: dirtylickins on April 29, 2013, 06:18:20 AM
Fancy way of asking if your white black Asian or hispanic
if im not mistaken just like when you register they want specifics example. ; Japanese or filipino not just "Asian " but what we all need to work on i feel is the most important is the reason why we feel we need to ccw. And a good one which cannot be denied.  ;)
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 29, 2013, 06:39:17 AM
Fancy way of asking if your white black Asian or hispanic
Ya, that one made me think a lil.

Even better was the "Build" one. I actually asked the officer what to put.....he shrugged and said "average??".
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: shock808 on April 29, 2013, 10:16:19 AM
For Nevada its by handgun type - revolver, semi auto or both. You are allowed to CCW any handgun of your choice if you have qualified for both revolvers and semi autos.
I just received my Nevada CCW a couple weeks ago after applying in December, I qualified with a Glock 19 so on my permit it states I can only CCW semi autos.
ah, thanks for clarification.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on April 29, 2013, 10:28:39 AM
Ya, that one made me think a lil.

Even better was the "Build" one. I actually asked the officer what to put.....he shrugged and said "average??".

No lie, you put large muscular build
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 29, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
No lie, you put large muscular build
Dang....how'd you know?! LoL!!  ;D
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: dirsh on April 29, 2013, 01:45:30 PM
I dare someone to put "buff" build. I would put "noveske"
Not like its gonna get approved anyway
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: mauiblue on April 29, 2013, 08:57:08 PM
So if a private citizen (no retired LEO) was ever issued a CCW permit, is there a requirement to go through any firearms or CCW training?

I wish someday I could CCW legally in Hawaii. Wishful thinking...
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on April 29, 2013, 09:48:21 PM
If were ever gonna have cc then we need to remove the magazine limit and tweak self defense laws
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 30, 2013, 08:55:15 PM
If were ever gonna have cc then we need to remove the magazine limit and tweak self defense laws
I agree. However, if we could just get CCW approved I'd be more than happy to carry multiple 10 rd mags!  :thumbsup:

Now... :stopjack:

So, has anyone else (other than Chris) applied for a CCW.....anybody at all?? ???
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: GreenStomper on April 30, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
I haven't applied yet. The whole idea of applying, just to get denied? If we all jump on the band wagon...I'll be the first to go down to HPD and ask for an application. Supposedly only five people applied last year? Maybe it's time to take action and make an effort to help Chris.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on April 30, 2013, 10:12:29 PM
Supposedly only five people applied last year?
That's sad!  :(
Just curious, where did you get that number from??
Maybe it's time to take action and make an effort to help Chris.
Yes, it is!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: GreenStomper on April 30, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
I think I read five applicants in one of the other CCW threads. For some reason that number stuck with me...
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Gd4udog on May 01, 2013, 06:28:02 AM
It's a lost cause at this point and time, but I would apply for ccw if we all made a stand to prove a point or try to exercise our constitutional right.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on May 01, 2013, 06:56:42 AM
It's a lost cause at this point and time, but I would apply for ccw if we all made a stand to prove a point or try to exercise our constitutional right.
I hear ya man, it's definitely disheartening to think you're applying just to be shot down but you should still do it....I did!!  :thumbsup:

I mean it's easy for the chief of police to dismiss 5 applicants but imagine him rejecting 50, 100 or even 500.....those kind of numbers would be hard to ignore. Without a true demand change will never happen, it takes a group effort and the collaboration of the masses to bring about this type of change!!

Not to mention I'm sure it would really help Chris' case to have 100's of applicants trying to get CCW permits as opposed to just a handful!
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Funtimes on May 01, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
I think I applied before =p.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on May 01, 2013, 08:46:35 AM
I think I applied before =p.
Yes, my friend...I believe you have!  ;)

How did they notify you anyway, was it via letter or phone call??
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on May 01, 2013, 10:26:43 AM
Back in feb there was a guy applying.  He was gettig his prints done at the ink station.  Everyone was just staring and whispering to their neighbor about it
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Pizzo on May 01, 2013, 02:39:25 PM
Back in feb there was a guy applying.  He was gettig his prints done at the ink station.  Everyone was just staring and whispering to their neighbor about it
Ya, that's pretty much what happened when I did mine.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Funtimes on May 01, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
Yes, my friend...I believe you have!  ;)

How did they notify you anyway, was it via letter or phone call??
(http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CCW-Denial-e1367473894873.jpg)

(http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/2A-Citys-Denial-of-the-Permit-chain-of-custody-e1367473965567.jpg)
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on May 01, 2013, 08:30:22 PM
Chris, curious to what were the reasons you put when applying?
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: mauiblue on May 01, 2013, 09:48:57 PM
I remember a legislator, Sam Slom, introduced a bill for Open Carry (I think) a few years ago but that didn't get far. Need more conservative and 2A friendly politicians in office.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: dirtylickins on May 01, 2013, 11:30:11 PM
so i was thinking with all these denials wouldnt this be at some point a legal matter like discrimination. so if we all applied got denied made a class suit questioning the situation brought it to national media embarresed the crap out the city saying why is the citizens being denied a lawful act with in this state or even viewing who has been approved might even prove a case. and how is outta all of us on here no ones a damn attorney???  :grrr: :wtf: can we get some to join the ranks please!
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: OldFaithful on May 01, 2013, 11:50:22 PM
I think it would be interesting to have some local news station interview chief kealoha and ask him why they deny everybody and what circumstances have to be fulfilled to issue a permit.  Funny how its up to someone else if your life is important and you should be able to defend it
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: GZire on May 02, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
so i was thinking with all these denials wouldnt this be at some point a legal matter like discrimination. so if we all applied got denied made a class suit questioning the situation brought it to national media embarresed the crap out the city saying why is the citizens being denied a lawful act with in this state or even viewing who has been approved might even prove a case. and how is outta all of us on here no ones a damn attorney???  :grrr: :wtf: can we get some to join the ranks please!

There already are/have been cases.  Current is Baker v. Kealoha.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: HiCarry on May 03, 2013, 11:51:10 AM
The issue, in part, is that the yearly AG's report comes out and says "4-5" citizens applied. I can't recall where it was said, but on one occasion the Chief replied that CCW wasn't a big issue since only a few people applied. I think it would be much more difficult to so easily dismiss the CCW issue if hundreds of folks applied. Furthermore, assuming none of those "hundreds" that applied got a permit, it would make any subsequent argument that it wasn't a big deal moot.

I know that Chris had tried this before, but I think to be successful, we'd need to have a system in place where "we" (whoever that might be...) kept track of who submitted applications, along with encouraging folks to digitally record their application (take a picture with your phone before submitting it...) so that we know the actual numbers and can challenge the AG report if it tries to under-report the number of applications submitted.
Title: Re: Applied for my CCW, anyone else??
Post by: Bunker on May 03, 2013, 12:04:58 PM
The issue, in part, is that the yearly AG's report comes out and says "4-5" citizens applied. I can't recall where it was said, but on one occasion the Chief replied that CCW wasn't a big issue since only a few people applied. I think it would be much more difficult to so easily dismiss the CCW issue if hundreds of folks applied. Furthermore, assuming none of those "hundreds" that applied got a permit, it would make any subsequent argument that it wasn't a big deal moot.

I know that Chris had tried this before, but I think to be successful, we'd need to have a system in place where "we" (whoever that might be...) kept track of who submitted applications, along with encouraging folks to digitally record their application (take a picture with your phone before submitting it...) so that we know the actual numbers and can challenge the AG report if it tries to under-report the number of applications submitted.
I'm in...next time I have to stand in line, I'll submit one.