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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ImKu on June 14, 2013, 02:22:33 PM
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I've seen people put up targets at 200 yard before, so my question is where are the holes to put the rifle frame in? What bench/benches do you need to be sitting on to target shoot at 200 yards?
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I've seen people put up targets at 200 yard before, so my question is where are the holes to put the rifle frame in? What bench/benches do you need to be sitting on to target shoot at 200 yards?
The holes are at 200 yards from the firing line. The trick is finding them out there since they are usually concealed by brush. Some of the pipes are painted orange, but are still not easy to find. The holes are spaced 24" apart and you will need to make your own frame. Your target should be at least 6' tall or it may not stand about the taller bushes. The best place to shoot them is from center of the makai side of the range office. You will need a good spotting scope. Any shooter using the 200 yard targets need to let the range officers know so they can schedule a ceasefire on the pistol side also since it is within the danger area for pistol ammo.
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Thanks for the info Teichi. Just what I was looking for. :thumbsup:
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Remember that your frames are going to have to be really tall. It's not the same height as the standard frames you are shooting at 50/100 yds.
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^^^^ :crazy:
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If you plan to set a target at 200, you better get there early and plan to stay the whole day because they often won't let you go out there during a cease fire. If they do, it will be once in the middle of the day.
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I was at WGS when this guy came in complaining about the RSO and his target he put far out. He put out his target and when he wanted to get it they told him to wait. He waited for a while and then asked again. They told him to come back later when the range closed. He shouted that he lives in Mililani and it would be a major inconvenience for him to come back later (It was probably about 11), so on the next cease fire he goes to take his target down despite what the RSO (I think Sy) says. HPD ends up being called and the guy is 86'd
Moral of the story is: listen to the RSOs. if you want to put out a far target, be prepared to be there ALL day
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O0
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It's to much of an inconvenient , rather just shoot what out there. If you hit it you'll hear it if you miss atleast a foot radius of intended target you'll see the dust kick up.
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I was at WGS when this guy came in complaining about the RSO and his target he put far out. He put out his target and when he wanted to get it they told him to wait. He waited for a while and then asked again. They told him to come back later when the range closed. He shouted that he lives in Mililani and it would be a major inconvenience for him to come back later (It was probably about 11), so on the next cease fire he goes to take his target down despite what the RSO (I think Sy) says. HPD ends up being called and the guy is 86'd
Moral of the story is: listen to the RSOs. if you want to put out a far target, be prepared to be there ALL day
How long ago was that? I usually stay from early morning till about 130-2pm on weekend. I watched a guy put a 200 yard target, but he didn't have any shoot-and-c targets go I gave him one of my very large pistol ones and we just put smaller targets inside of the large one. He let me shoot at it and he only had it up for 2-3 hours. Beside that I have scrap wood and worse case scenario I'll leave it there and I'm sure someone else will enjoy putting holes in it...lol I also enjoy shooting the gongs at different ranges, but prefer to know exactly where I'm hitting.
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It's to much of an inconvenient , rather just shoot what out there. If you hit it you'll hear it if you miss atleast a foot radius of intended target you'll see the dust kick up.
Late afternoons on the weekend I don't mind shooting the gongs, but 50% of the time in the mornings it feels like half the people there are shooting at the gongs and I find myself trying to time my shots in-between other people's string of fire.
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How long ago was that? I usually stay from early morning till about 130-2pm on weekend. I watched a guy put a 200 yard target, but he didn't have any shoot-and-c targets go I gave him one of my very large pistol ones and we just put smaller targets inside of the large one. He let me shoot at it and he only had it up for 2-3 hours. Beside that I have scrap wood and worse case scenario I'll leave it there and I'm sure someone else will enjoy putting holes in it...lol I also enjoy shooting the gongs at different ranges, but prefer to know exactly where I'm hitting.
probably almost a year ago
what time did they let him take it down?
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Late afternoons on the weekend I don't mind shooting the gongs, but 50% of the time in the mornings it feels like half the people there are shooting at the gongs and I find myself trying to time my shots in-between other people's string of fire.
I always can hear if I hit it, as long as i keep looking down my scope or sight. Its like when your at a party you can have 100 people talking but if you look at one person talking there voice stands out of the rest haha well its how i look at it
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probably almost a year ago
what time did they let him take it down?
This was about 2 months ago, he put it up at about 10ish and took it down around 1pm. Like you said though, I will just talk to the RSO. At least I know what I'm getting myself into.
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I always can hear if I hit it, as long as i keep looking down my scope or sight. Its like when your at a party you can have 100 people talking but if you look at one person talking there voice stands out of the rest haha well its how i look at it
I'm not always using a scope or really high magnification though and my hearing isn't exactly the best. I can barely hear a hit at the 450 yard gongs with 223. With 308 it's easier. If I'm shooting the 200 something yard targets that's no problem hearing hits though so I see your point.
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Practice shooting the plates or targets without sights/optics.
Teaches you a lot about your gun/s
It may come in handy some day.
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Practice shooting the plates or targets without sights/optics.
Teaches you a lot about your gun/s
It may come in handy some day.
That's true , actually its opposite for me I'm getting used to scopes or optics. I'm not a great shot with standard iron sights but that's the only thing i knew before trying out these red dots n scopes.
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Practice shooting the plates or targets without sights/optics.
Teaches you a lot about your gun/s
It may come in handy some day.
........practice shooting at 200 yards with no sights or optics........... :crazy:
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Practice shooting the plates or targets without sights/optics.
Thats just dumb.
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Don't become overly dependent on your optics...what if something happens to your optic and you have to shoot iron sights. I wasn't allowed in my unit to qualify with optics even though I had them when I deployed. Love optics, but iron sight shooting is just as important.
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Thats just dumb.
Thanks! :shaka:
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Don't become overly dependent on your optics...what if something happens to your optic and you have to shoot iron sights. I wasn't allowed in my unit to qualify with optics even though I had them when I deployed. Love optics, but iron sight shooting is just as important.
True , when i first got my Sig516 i barrowed my friends ACOG but it was sighted in for his Scar. With no adjustment on my iron sights i was able to hit the 200 few times
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I believe iron sights are more important than optics for the simple reason if your optic malfunctions or becomes inoperative, and 200 yds with iron sights with a M16/AR is not a very difficult shot or shouldn't be if trained properly. As an example, below is the Army record fire qualification per Army's standards using iron sights, unless it's been revised recently. Twenty single or multiple targets are engaged from the prone supported or the foxhole supported firing position (unit commander's discretion); 10 targets are engaged from the prone unsupported position; and 10 targets are engaged from the kneeling position, for a total of 40 targets. Once firing begins, no cross-loading is allowed. Note the eight 200 yd, timed pop-up targets and probability to hit. So even the minimally qualified soldiers have a .45 PH, and that includes some multiple engagements and under pressure.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Untitled_zps558c9dab.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Untitled_zps558c9dab.jpg.html)
To achieve the lowest possible individual qualification rating, a soldier must achieve a minimum score of 23 target hits on a standard record fire range. The following are the qualification ratings:
• Expert: Hits 36 to 40 targets
• Sharpshooter: Hits 30 to 35 targets
• Marksman: Hits 23 to 29 targets
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Yea cause if my iron sights was sighted in i would hit it at 100% ... :thumbsup: ;) haha
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I believe iron sights are more important than optics for the simple reason if your optic malfunctions or becomes inoperative, and 200 yds with iron sights with a M16/AR is not a very difficult shot or shouldn't be if trained properly.
Don't become overly dependent on your optics...what if something happens to your optic and you have to shoot iron sights. I wasn't allowed in my unit to qualify with optics even though I had them when I deployed. Love optics, but iron sight shooting is just as important.
I'm not going to argue the importance of training with irons as I usually start of with irons, remount my optics and check to insure they maintained my last zero. Not sure how this thread drifted to the usage of irons, but in this case I plan on doing a reloading ladder test for my loads. Kind of like this video:
http://youtu.be/_hS91Z7e0WE (http://youtu.be/_hS91Z7e0WE)
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Real marksmen train with their eyes closed and aim using only their sense of smell because you never know then you will go blind. :P
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Fixed it O0
Real marksmen train with their eyes closed and aim using only their sense of smell because you never know then you will go blind THE FORCE
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O0
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Practice shooting the plates or targets without sights/optics.
Teaches you a lot about your gun/s
It may come in handy some day.
Thats just dumb.
Not necessarily.
Most experts agree that an optic is more accurate than iron sights but still acknowledge that you must still practice with iron sights in case your optic fails.
Most experts agree that iron sights are more accurate than point shooting but still acknowledge that you must practice point shooting in case your irons fail.
Defensive tactics instructors also advocate a "front sight press" method as a faster way to put shots on a man sized target.
Most defensive tactics instructors also recognize that one can go to perfect sight alignment, or to Front Sight Press based on time, distance, and accuracy considerations.
When Jack Weaver introduced his "Weaver stance" for the first time, I'm sure some idiot said "that's dumb" but it is now practiced and taught worldwide.
Moral of the story here is just because you don't so something, doesn't make it "dumb"
Educate yourself before blasting someone as "dumb"
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Smell? REAL marksman can taste the scent of their target at 200 yards. Better get with the progam :rofl:
Wow, I am really behind the times. I need to get on sniper's hide (the sniper authority) and do some studying.
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Youre right. I never point shot at a target 200 yards away, in ref to this threads title. Im not as good a shot like many are here. I always used my irons at 200. Id be interested at learning how to point shoot offhand at 200 and beyond. A box of AA 77s for anyone who can teach me to shoot Xs consistently with no sights.
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Often I go to the range just to break in a few ARs. I dont bring a target, because I am doing function tests.
I dont install Optics or Sights since I dont want to mark the upper receiver. or want to waste my time sighting in a rifle only to take it off.
Normally I shoot at the dirt and got pretty good at aiming where I want the bullets to go.
I use the rail and on the gun as my guide.
Then I started venturing out to the plates @ 220 and 440 yards. It is a challenge and started to become more fun than using optics.
To pick up a rifle with no optics and plant the shot where you want it fo go is so much fun.
I am now bored with rifles with optics/sights. Especially since I have 5-shot ragged hole gun with optics.
Call me dumb whatever....I am having fun.
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When Jack Weaver introduced his "Weaver stance" for the first time, I'm sure some idiot said "that's dumb" but it is now practiced and taught worldwide.
Im pretty sure he stood that way because he had a physical injury that made other positions uncomfortable to him, at least that's what I heard from an instructor a long time ago. Could be bullshit though. As a point though, no class I have been to in the last year uses or instructs on the the weaver stance...
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from what i've read online, front sight is pretty dogmatic about people using weaver
Im pretty sure he stood that way because he had a physical injury that made other positions uncomfortable to him, at least that's what I heard from an instructor a long time ago. Could be bullshit though. As a point though, no class I have been to in the last year uses or instructs on the the weaver stance...
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I shoot with a guy who is pretty good at point shooting with an AR, but only out to about 15 yards or so. He's a long time shotgun (skeet and trap) guy and has a problem with his eye sight and uses a method of using his support hand to point at the targets, similar to shooting shotgun. He's pretty darn accurate and quick with it too.
Would I recommend shooting that method? No. But I want to try it in the future just to see what the results, both time and accuracy, will be shooting with his point method, irons and then optics.
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I think Speedtek is talking about point shooting. For close range, it's great if you can do combat accurate shooting without having to bring the gun up to your face.
[edit] oops. Just read the rest of the thread.
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Often I go to the range just to break in a few ARs. I dont bring a target, because I am doing function tests.
I dont install Optics or Sights since I dont want to mark the upper receiver. or want to waste my time sighting in a rifle only to take it off.
Normally I shoot at the dirt and got pretty good at aiming where I want the bullets to go.
I use the rail and on the gun as my guide.
Then I started venturing out to the plates @ 220 and 440 yards. It is a challenge and started to become more fun than using optics.
To pick up a rifle with no optics and plant the shot where you want it fo go is so much fun.
I am now bored with rifles with optics/sights. Especially since I have 5-shot ragged hole gun with optics.
Call me dumb whatever....I am having fun.
Hey man you didn't happen to shoot a lady's roof a couple of weeks ago did you? Would've been in the Sandys area.............
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Hey man you didn't happen to shoot a lady's roof a couple of weeks ago did you? Would've been in the Sandys area.............
:rofl:
:rofl:
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Hey man you didn't happen to shoot a lady's roof a couple of weeks ago did you? Would've been in the Sandys area.............
HA! :rofl:
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Hey man you didn't happen to shoot a lady's roof a couple of weeks ago did you? Would've been in the Sandys area.............
Nope! I hit my targets without sights!
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Nope! I hit my targets without sights!
I can hear Ren getting angry already. Call dibs on bitch seat when you do the shooting demo for Ren.
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I can hear Ren getting angry already. Call dibs on bitch seat when you do the shooting demo for Ren.
I aint mad, just wondering when hes going to teach this technique, it is really remarkable. I stll got a box of 77s to teach me how to point shoot a clean at 200. Range day?
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Im out there 2pm every sunday!
Its not rocket science. Just use the top rail as your guide.
Then use the force!
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I truly can attest to the 200yd no sight shot...my 7.62x39 chambered AR wouldn't cycle...I brought it into X-Ring and Dex fixed her right up...seen him at the range a week later and learned how to shoot sightless...it's a Daniel Defense RIS II rail and a standard ar-15 flat top...once Dex took my sights off to curb my own skeptical remarks and hit the 200yrd marks In succession...he showed my it was as simple as aiming down the barrel of your gun...it ain't rocket science...if I can do it on a an AR using cheap Russian...anyone can learn...that is unless your using your sense of smell as a guide...
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$1 a point to Meals on Wheels, Ren sights vs Speedtek point on 200yd line SR1 target- 10 shots.
Talk is cheap
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Im out there 2pm every sunday!
Its not rocket science. Just use the top rail as your guide.
Then use the force!
Lmao when i was little i had a daisy bb gun with no sights what so ever and that's how i aimed, used to shoot monjitos n doves haha
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Im out there 2pm every sunday!
Its not rocket science. Just use the top rail as your guide.
Then use the force!
...........on the bullet flight or the guys watching? [.......those are not the droids you are looking for.....]
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from what i've read online, front sight is pretty dogmatic about people using weaver
Didn't know that. I have not been to front sight yet. When I get a chance to go to Vegas I would likely go train with some of the guys from ATAC or Rifle Dynamics.
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Didn't know that. I have not been to front sight yet. When I get a chance to go to Vegas I would likely go train with some of the guys from ATAC or Rifle Dynamics.
If you ever find someone from Nevada to do the ccw class in Hawaii I'm intersted
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If you ever find someone from Nevada to do the ccw class in Hawaii I'm intersted
I may go out to Utah to get their instructor certification. If we can get a LEO to do the prints, I can do the Florida one for people.
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$1 a point to Meals on Wheels, Ren sights vs Speedtek point on 200yd line SR1 target- 10 shots.
Talk is cheap
OK, this Sunday or maybe Sat at Puuloa. A great fundraising event. Loser pays to MOW.