Thats just dumb.

Thanks!

Don't become overly dependent on your optics...what if something happens to your optic and you have to shoot iron sights. I wasn't allowed in my unit to qualify with optics even though I had them when I deployed. Love optics, but iron sight shooting is just as important.

True , when i first got my Sig516 i barrowed my friends ACOG but it was sighted in for his Scar. With no adjustment on my iron sights i was able to hit the 200 few times

I believe iron sights are more important than optics for the simple reason if your optic malfunctions or becomes inoperative, and 200 yds with iron sights with a M16/AR is not a very difficult shot or shouldn't be if trained properly. As an example, below is the Army record fire qualification per Army's standards using iron sights, unless it's been revised recently. Twenty single or multiple targets are engaged from the prone supported or the foxhole supported firing position (unit commander's discretion); 10 targets are engaged from the prone unsupported position; and 10 targets are engaged from the kneeling position, for a total of 40 targets. Once firing begins, no cross-loading is allowed. Note the eight 200 yd, timed pop-up targets and probability to hit. So even the minimally qualified soldiers have a .45 PH, and that includes some multiple engagements and under pressure.



To achieve the lowest possible individual qualification rating, a soldier must achieve a minimum score of 23 target hits on a standard record fire range. The following are the qualification ratings:

• Expert: Hits 36 to 40 targets
• Sharpshooter: Hits 30 to 35 targets
• Marksman: Hits 23 to 29 targets

Yea cause if my iron sights was sighted in i would hit it at 100% ...    haha

I believe iron sights are more important than optics for the simple reason if your optic malfunctions or becomes inoperative, and 200 yds with iron sights with a M16/AR is not a very difficult shot or shouldn't be if trained properly.

Don't become overly dependent on your optics...what if something happens to your optic and you have to shoot iron sights. I wasn't allowed in my unit to qualify with optics even though I had them when I deployed. Love optics, but iron sight shooting is just as important.

I'm not going to argue the importance of training with irons as I usually start of with irons, remount my optics and check to insure they maintained my last zero.  Not sure how this thread drifted to the usage of irons, but in this case I plan on doing a reloading ladder test for my loads.  Kind of like this video:

Real marksmen train with their eyes closed and aim using only their sense of smell because you never know then you will go blind.

Fixed it 

Real marksmen train with their eyes closed and aim using only their sense of smell because you never know then you will go blind THE FORCE

 

Practice shooting the plates or targets without sights/optics.

Teaches you a lot about your gun/s

It may come in handy some day.

Thats just dumb.

Not necessarily.

Most experts agree that an optic is more accurate than iron sights but still acknowledge that you must still practice with iron sights in case your optic fails.

Most experts agree that iron sights are more accurate than point shooting but still acknowledge that you must practice point shooting in case your irons fail.

Defensive tactics instructors also advocate a "front sight press" method as a faster way to put shots on a man sized target.

Most defensive tactics instructors also recognize that one can go to perfect sight alignment, or to Front Sight Press based on time, distance, and accuracy considerations.

When Jack Weaver introduced his "Weaver stance" for the first time, I'm sure some idiot said "that's dumb" but it is now practiced and taught worldwide.

Moral of the story here is just because you don't so something, doesn't make it "dumb"

Educate yourself before blasting someone as "dumb"

Smell? REAL marksman can taste the scent of their target at 200 yards. Better get with the progam 

Wow, I am really behind the times. I need to get on sniper's hide (the sniper authority) and do some studying.

 

Youre right. I never point shot at a target 200 yards away, in ref to this threads title. Im not as good a shot like many are here. I always used my irons at 200. Id be interested at learning how to point shoot offhand at 200 and beyond. A box of AA 77s for anyone who can teach me to shoot Xs consistently with no sights.

Often I go to the range just to break in a few ARs.  I dont bring a target, because I am doing function tests.

I dont install Optics or Sights since I dont want to mark the upper receiver. or want to waste my time sighting in a rifle only to take it off.

Normally I shoot at the dirt and got pretty good at aiming where I want the bullets to go.

I use the rail and on the gun as my guide.

Then I started venturing out to the plates @ 220 and 440 yards.  It is a challenge and started to become more fun than using optics.

To pick up a rifle with no optics and plant the shot where you want it fo go is so much fun.

I am now bored with rifles with optics/sights. Especially since I have 5-shot ragged hole gun with optics.

Call me dumb whatever....I am having fun.

 

When Jack Weaver introduced his "Weaver stance" for the first time, I'm sure some idiot said "that's dumb" but it is now practiced and taught worldwide.

Im pretty sure he stood that way because he had a physical injury that made other positions uncomfortable to him, at least that's what I heard from an instructor a long time ago. Could be bullshit though. As a point though, no class I have been to in the last year uses or instructs on the the weaver stance...

from what i've read online, front sight is pretty dogmatic about people using weaver

Im pretty sure he stood that way because he had a physical injury that made other positions uncomfortable to him, at least that's what I heard from an instructor a long time ago. Could be bullshit though. As a point though, no class I have been to in the last year uses or instructs on the the weaver stance...

I shoot with a guy who is pretty good at point shooting with an AR, but only out to about 15 yards or so.  He's a long time shotgun (skeet and trap) guy and has a problem with his eye sight and uses a method of using his support hand to point at the targets, similar to shooting shotgun.  He's pretty darn accurate and quick with it too. 

Would I recommend shooting that method?  No.  But I want to try it in the future just to see what the results, both time and accuracy, will be shooting with his point method, irons and then optics. 

I think Speedtek is talking about point shooting.  For close range, it's great if you can do combat accurate shooting without having to bring the gun up to your face.

[edit] oops. Just read the rest of the thread.

Often I go to the range just to break in a few ARs.  I dont bring a target, because I am doing function tests.

I dont install Optics or Sights since I dont want to mark the upper receiver. or want to waste my time sighting in a rifle only to take it off.

Normally I shoot at the dirt and got pretty good at aiming where I want the bullets to go.

I use the rail and on the gun as my guide.

Then I started venturing out to the plates @ 220 and 440 yards.  It is a challenge and started to become more fun than using optics.

To pick up a rifle with no optics and plant the shot where you want it fo go is so much fun.

I am now bored with rifles with optics/sights. Especially since I have 5-shot ragged hole gun with optics.

Call me dumb whatever....I am having fun.

Hey man you didn't happen to shoot a lady's roof a couple of weeks ago did you?  Would've been in the Sandys area.............

Hey man you didn't happen to shoot a lady's roof a couple of weeks ago did you?  Would've been in the Sandys area.............